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+ Show Spoiler +So I'm typing this up around 4:30am ... b/c stupid dota tilting ... so excuse any typos or whatever I'm gonna be slightly lenient on the editing. My day 1 interpretation was wrong. Mderg is scum, so D1 looks different. D1 Lynch: 27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie has died to lynch!Final Vote Count - Day 1: 27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarmaYouKnowZhou (1): Release mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey
27ninjabunnies is lynched with 7 votes! Ok nvm I don't know how to do vote analysis. Crap. UHhh Right things that stick out D1: Snickers calls out mderg first I think, before anyone else. VE follows up. Artanis doesn't like it. Snicker joins, Lazer odesn't like so he backs off, I don't like so I back off. On June 18 2014 04:35 Chezinu wrote:
##UnVote
##Vote: mderg
Art it is time to have some fun! Let's do this!!! This post makes lots of sense here in hindsight. I move to VE, Lazer joins me. YKZ comes in and asks a summary of mderg case couple times. On June 18 2014 05:33 Kurumi wrote:Vote Count - Day 1: mderg (3): VisceraEyes, Lazermonkey, Chezinu, Snickers 27ninjabunnies (2): YouKnowZhou, Lazermonkey, mderg VisceraEyes (2): Lazermonkey, slOosh YouKnowZhou (1): 27ninjabunnies, Release, goodkarmaKoshi (1): Artanis[Xp] Release (0): Artanis[Xp], SnickersArtanis[Xp] (0): slOoshCurrently Not Voting (3): goodkarma, Koshi, 27ninjabunnies,
Currently mderg is set to be lynched with 3 votes! Day will end in
Ok, scum probably starting to feel the heat here? On June 18 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Also, what the hell is it with Chezinu? He doesn´t even try to make sense. Chezinu rule? Chezinu rule. Artanis not liking these votes, goes on Koshi. I'm still gungho on VE. Stuff stuff stuff. Ultimately on page 18 Artanis town reads mderg and YKZ makes a bigger push on bunnies. I townread mderg here too.
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On June 21 2014 17:45 slOosh wrote:So ... I don't know how to feel. My reads feel like the garbage  VE I'll get back to you on the Lazermonkey read. Just wallowing for a while.
Right, slept it off, feeling fresh.
From what I recall D1, Lazermonkey felt decent. It seemed like he was involved in some discussions and talking, so I waived him as probs town and didn't read too carefully. On a reread, his vote on mderg came right before deadline when it was reasonably clear that bunnies would be lynched. It also isn't clear why he thought mderg is scum - the one time he voted he backed off the next post reasoning why he isn't scum.
His D2 play looks far worse and I feel is best summed up by this quote (for which I read strong town on Koshi prior to flip)
On June 21 2014 06:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 06:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Please look at Koshi's filter and look ät all thé scum hunting he has done... Owait.
Vote him. Please be more disconnected about what is happening this day.
He makes no effort to understand any of the wagons and instead opts out of discussion, picking on Koshi and soft defending mderg:
On June 20 2014 22:56 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BH, I'm not a newbie player. I know that similarities does not necessarily mean the same alignment, but previous games can give you insights into their mind. Particularly a scum qt can be enlightening. It told me mderg is someone that thinks before he posts as scum, which is a point against him being scum this game.
I'm not up for a mderg lynch at this point in time. I am up for a Koshi lynch though.
##Unvote
##Vote Koshi This is also a good point brought up. Everyone that is voting mderg should explain why they vote him very very clearly and why the reason you vote him makes him scum. Explain how that action isn't likely to have come out of a newbie town player also.
After all is said and done, his final vote lands on YKZ:
On June 21 2014 08:59 Lazermonkey wrote:
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I Mderg is probably a crappy lynch. But there are still too few voters on YKZ... w/e.
##Unvote
##Vote: YKZ
"w/e". Votes are flying everywhere, people are scrambling to figure stuff out and "w/e". No reads on YKZ anywhere, still holding onto the mderg town read all the way from D1, no engaging in any discussion of D2.
Very good chance of scum.
Also, VE, I'd rather a YKZ read than a Snickers read given how D2 went down since I suspect the same kind of resulting observations, but you can do whatever since you've earned it.
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At this point in the game I'm process of elimination-ing and I still believe that YKZ is mafia.
On June 18 2014 02:56 YouKnowZhou wrote:I'm back, and I'm caught up. I see that people are voting mderg. I'll read the cases and weigh in. I'd also like to float the idea of an Oatsmaster lynch. I love the guy like a son, but he's lurking, son. Take a look at his filter so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?user=OatsmasterNow you might say, "YKZ, as far as I can tell, Oats has not in fact posted at all this game. What if he's just afk?" Well, he could just be afk. I'm willing to admit that. But on the other hand, what if he is both AFK and scum? IMO we can't trust Kurumi to modkill him, given Kurumi's track record on modkills that I don't actually know anything about. And even worse, what if Kurumi replaces him? Yes, that would be the worst by far. Can we really trust Oatsmaster? No, we can't. His silence is speaking for him. It is saying "I am possibly a pretty good lynch u guyz" But yeah gonna check out mderg since people seem to have a million boners for lynching him I guess. anyone got questions for me? I'll answer any question as long as it's coupled with a summary of the case on mderg.
In the middle of D1, people are considering mderg as a lynch option. YKZ does a soft deflect here, by asking for a summary of the case and at the same time offering up an Oats lurker lynch. It seemed quite strange because of how gungho he was on the bunnies wagon all D1, and the time he wasn't was when people are talking about mderg to say "hey what about this Oats guy?".
Another soft deflect here:
On June 18 2014 04:58 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I still do not understand the mderg case. Can someone explain succinctly for me?
Then comes his huge point by point analysis pushing bunnies hard.
On D2 he pushes mderg, yes. But when?
He pushes him about ~35ish hours into the day. The thread atmosphere up to this point is that a YKZ lynch is very very possible:
On June 20 2014 15:16 OnceKing wrote:Vote Count - Day 2: YouKnowZhou (3): Release, slOosh, VisceraEyes VisceraEyes (2): mderg, Chezinu Koshi (1): Lazermonkey Snickers (1): YouKnowZhou mderg (1): Snickers Currently Not Voting (2): Artanis[Xp], Koshi
Currently YouKnowZhou is set to be lynched with 3 votes! Day will end in
Remember: Voting is mandatory. You can find the spreadsheet to the game here.
I suspect given how little thread influence that scum had, that they anticipated one of them getting lynched, so tried to make the best of it by doing some hard busses. That way, at least they salvage some cred and try to make it to the next cycle.
I believe the set of posts here reflect the bus mentality:
On June 21 2014 04:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 18:57 YouKnowZhou wrote:Also, not only do I recall nothing about mderg's play, I don't even remember him being mafia in detention. I stopped really having time to host that game after D2, and I recall screwing up the night actions or something and then modkilling a scum player, and then maybe not delivering mderg's roleblock? In any case, you can take a look at his filter for yourself here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mderg Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 18:58 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 20 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 20 2014 18:54 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 20 2014 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, you were scumbuddies with mderg in Detention. Do you feel he's playing similarly in this game?
BH, you were the host that game. What do you recall of his play and do you see similarities? What do you think of my case? It's made me heavily doubt mderg's alignment, but it hasn't convinced me yet, ergo I'm looking for how he usually plays as scum/town for comparison. Yeah, we're gonna have a problem with that then. I generally only use meta when it supports my case, and now that I'm looking at his filter in detention, it looks like the issue here (he forgot that he was townreading 27nb and then voted her for no reason) didn't happen there. I am not making a behavioral analysis on mderg, but it's not exactly a scumslip case either. It's a case based on the fact that his train of thought really does NOT make sense. In Detention Mafia he has some scumtells and some nonsensical things he says, but nothing like this. I do think he's still scum though despite that. I attribute the change in playing style (conversational in Detention, non-conversational here) to World Cup. Doesn't remember anything about mderg's play or even alignment in Detention. Immediately after says he has scumtells. Total lies.
There is a contradiction here, at most a minute apart. I believe it is because he decided his actions would be 'lynch mderg', and he would fill in the reasons as he went along. There's a hiccup here because he is just saying stuff and it lacks the consistency a townie would have when reading someone.
In the thick of D2 when votes are flying around, for a moment people consider a Snickers lynch, so he moves off to go on Snickers. It looks like Snickers might actually get lynched here. What happens next?
On June 21 2014 08:10 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Release, what are your thoughts on mderg's vote just now? You had similar reservations to him being scummy as I did. I'll chime in. It makes me like mderg less. I still see him as opportunistic, and despite my thing about "no unflipped associations", I suddenly worry that mderg scum, snickers town and he's setting me up to get MLed tomorrow. mderg scum snickers scum might make sense as well if he's bussing / going for cred; his vote put snickers in the lead and was a "game changer". That said, I am no longer confident that I can lynch him today. People seem to like him.
Backtracking. The confidence so present in the D1 wagon on bunnies is suddenly, conveniently, missing D2 on the mderg wagon. Now, his vote is still on Snickers here. Again, inconsistencies. He likes mderg less, and he never liked mderg here, so he must be extra scum read on mderg. He "suddenly" worries that mderg could be scum, which is inconsistent with his earlier posts, but yet doesn't move his vote onto mderg.
After it all, here's what he posts.
On June 21 2014 09:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:Well, well well. I came in after dinner, made an amazing case, wowed everyone. They followed me and we caught scum. Just as I knew we would 
But that's not what happened as the whole point of this post is. He made a case with some inconsistencies, didn't push it with the confidence of D1 bunnies mislynch, moved onto Snickers, then suddenly had qualms when it looked like Snickers lynch was possible and mderg lynch could be avoided, and then only stuck his vote on mderg after it looked inevitable.
Yet he tries to frame himself for the one responsible for the lynch, which isn't at all true.
YKZ is still scum.
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On June 22 2014 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, what's your current read on Release?
Read him town on D1 since his first post as the first careful reading of the bunnies / YKZ interaction.
D2 looks great as he was involved in discussions and has mentioned his thoughts on each of the relevant wagons as they developed.
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On June 22 2014 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:There is something that makes me think one of slOosh/YKZ is scum. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:20 mderg wrote:On June 21 2014 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
mderg, does the fact that no one other than Chezinu scumread VE after his case on you not give you pause to re-evaluate VE's lynch or ask questions about why other people aren't scumreading him? Why do you not care about your main scumread getting lynched and only drop in to vote for an easy lynch on Snickers now? I honestly never thought about asking why people are not scumreading him. I don´t think I´ve done something like that in any game so far. I really don´t think someone who has a convincing reason to not scumread someone would just keep quiet about it when a case is made. It´s not that I don´t care but I don´t think there´s any way he´s getting lynched today and he also didn´t post much of value today. So it´s impossible to bring anything new to the table. I also don´t think this is a vote for an easy lynch because it´s still kinda close between Snickers and bh and I think my vote may actually be of relevance. As scum it would probably be easier to just afk for the rest of the day and let the lynch progress, unless bh and me were both scum.Also @ bh: I never voted a townread. I consider this something that he either slipped as momentum came crashing down upon him, or it's something scum planted to incriminate bh to capitalize on it later, which slOosh is doing. It looks so weird to just throw that out there.
Oh interesting!
The biggest thing in Detention that I recall is that mderg made a post as scum that Palmar was very impressed with that he gave him a town read for.
On June 05 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:Okay, before I start re-reading mderg, here's the reason I cleared him back on day 1: Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 22:09 Palmar wrote:On May 28 2014 22:07 mderg wrote:On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 10:59 Chromatically wrote:
this is quite possibly the finest scumhunting tl has seen in ages Hey im scumhunting.... So im thinking, Team for mafia: Jabber/Sqrt/mderg Or Jabber/palmer/mderg Something like that, Id lynch both jabber and mderg though I don´t get how defending jabber like I did would make any sense, if we were both scum. That would be like the worst mafia play ever. Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that. But hard defending a scummate who will almost certainly be lynched anyway doesn´t seem like scum play. *clap clap* I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I'm giving you a townread for this. To explain why I thought this looks super townie, and I still do. Note the timing of his post. This is at the height of me doubting myself on the jabber lynch. mderg posted this shortly after I wrote my "too scummy to be scum" explanation for my hesitation. This post makes mderg town because of his intentions (note you also have to check him out actually doing the defending). These are the possibilities: 1. mderg mafia/jabber mafia 2. mderg mafia/jabber town 3. mderg town/jabber mafia 4. mderg town/jabber town The ones we're interested in eliminating are 1 and 2, if we want to reduce the chances of mderg being mafia. 1) Mderg explains it in the post himself. If he is mafia and knows jabber will flip mafia, why on earth is he hard defending someone who will almost certainly be lynched anyway. It makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't think mderg is capable of this meta play. Obviously we now know that this scenario also wasn't true, because jabber flipped town. 2) Mderg also addresses this, but he does it in a very particular way, I'll quote him: "Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that." I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that if mderg is mafia, he made a super ballsy play of literally planting the idea that he may be mafia based on something he already knew would come true. Hell townies don't like to claim they might be mafia, mafia absolutely hates doing it. It's really, really hard for me to believe that mderg would be capable of such an advanced mafia play. There is a really good reason I said this:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 22:09 Palmar wrote:
I hope you're mafia because if you are this post is amazing. I almost stand by that. This single post would be very, very impressive mafia play if mderg is mafia. I'm writing this to set a baseline. I need to go back and read why I at one point said fuba is town. I don't quite remember that as well as this mderg post. When I know why I called fuba town, I might do their filters, but no idea how much I'll be able to accomplish today. I'll do it before the deadline though.
What does it mean? I'm not sure. But interesting!
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Convenient that YKZ is interested in popping in to defend himself, but not at all in coming up with scum reads.
In any case my case can be summarized as "YKZ didn't really want to lynch mderg D2". You guys can reread D2 for yourselves and decide if it's true or I'm making stuff up.
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On June 22 2014 07:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:05 slOosh wrote:On June 22 2014 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, what's your current read on Release? Read him town on D1 since his first post as the first careful reading of the bunnies / YKZ interaction. D2 looks great as he was involved in discussions and has mentioned his thoughts on each of the relevant wagons as they developed. I still have trouble reading him because of the lack of interaction though, and I don't like how he's still going after Snickers who is pretty much confirmed town. His filter is pretty difficult to read through but I guess he ended up on the right wagon so I can't be too critical.
The thing is that Snickers indeed was poking him for the longest time, so it's not too unnatural for him to still carry the suspicion of him. The voting thing, I didn't get until you / Koshi pointed it out, and the conversation wasn't too fleshed out so all in all nothing too alarming.
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Ughh that was messy.
EBWOP:
The voting thing, I didn't see until it was pointed out, so I could see how he would have missed it too, seeing as the conversation was like a couple of posts. There is nothing alarming about him.
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On June 22 2014 07:35 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Sloosh, you should totally release the good karma within you and LEAVE Artanis Alone!!! Did you kill good karma because of me or because he was next to you in the vote? Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 07:36 Chezinu wrote:On June 18 2014 07:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf.
Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it.
But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed.
If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along. Why do you think slOosh reordered the votes? Speaking of votes Why did you reorder the votes?? OH WAIT!! You reordered them again today! Order matters. Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 02:12 Chezinu wrote:On June 20 2014 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum? Yesterday, I was thinking that if they didn't kill slOosh tonight, he might be mafia. He was one of the only one playing Day 1. Why are you still here?
With viscera eyes I have been promoted to master of oats. You know You Know you know?
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Righto. Nothings changed. Any questions? I'm an open book.
##Vote YouKnowZhou
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On June 23 2014 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:45 slOosh wrote:
Righto. Nothings changed. Any questions? I'm an open book.
##Vote YouKnowZhou This isn't true at all, something HAS changed. THIS cycle instead of having only one townie tunnel on his resume, BH has now pushed and voted for scum. That HAS changed and you don't just get to come in and throw a vote down on BH without explaining why he does that as mderg's mafia partner.
I totally did that. I also point out things that indicate how it looks like a bus. I mean, if you think the case is bad then that's that, but I'm certainly not just slapping down a vote
On June 22 2014 06:56 slOosh wrote:At this point in the game I'm process of elimination-ing and I still believe that YKZ is mafia. Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 02:56 YouKnowZhou wrote:I'm back, and I'm caught up. I see that people are voting mderg. I'll read the cases and weigh in. I'd also like to float the idea of an Oatsmaster lynch. I love the guy like a son, but he's lurking, son. Take a look at his filter so far: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?user=OatsmasterNow you might say, "YKZ, as far as I can tell, Oats has not in fact posted at all this game. What if he's just afk?" Well, he could just be afk. I'm willing to admit that. But on the other hand, what if he is both AFK and scum? IMO we can't trust Kurumi to modkill him, given Kurumi's track record on modkills that I don't actually know anything about. And even worse, what if Kurumi replaces him? Yes, that would be the worst by far. Can we really trust Oatsmaster? No, we can't. His silence is speaking for him. It is saying "I am possibly a pretty good lynch u guyz" But yeah gonna check out mderg since people seem to have a million boners for lynching him I guess. anyone got questions for me? I'll answer any question as long as it's coupled with a summary of the case on mderg. In the middle of D1, people are considering mderg as a lynch option. YKZ does a soft deflect here, by asking for a summary of the case and at the same time offering up an Oats lurker lynch. It seemed quite strange because of how gungho he was on the bunnies wagon all D1, and the time he wasn't was when people are talking about mderg to say "hey what about this Oats guy?". Another soft deflect here: Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 04:58 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I still do not understand the mderg case. Can someone explain succinctly for me? Then comes his huge point by point analysis pushing bunnies hard. On D2 he pushes mderg, yes. But when? He pushes him about ~35ish hours into the day. The thread atmosphere up to this point is that a YKZ lynch is very very possible: Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 15:16 OnceKing wrote:Vote Count - Day 2: YouKnowZhou (3): Release, slOosh, VisceraEyes VisceraEyes (2): mderg, Chezinu Koshi (1): Lazermonkey Snickers (1): YouKnowZhou mderg (1): Snickers Currently Not Voting (2): Artanis[Xp], Koshi
Currently YouKnowZhou is set to be lynched with 3 votes! Day will end in
Remember: Voting is mandatory. You can find the spreadsheet to the game here.
I suspect given how little thread influence that scum had, that they anticipated one of them getting lynched, so tried to make the best of it by doing some hard busses. That way, at least they salvage some cred and try to make it to the next cycle.
I believe the set of posts here reflect the bus mentality: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 04:55 slOosh wrote:On June 20 2014 18:57 YouKnowZhou wrote:Also, not only do I recall nothing about mderg's play, I don't even remember him being mafia in detention. I stopped really having time to host that game after D2, and I recall screwing up the night actions or something and then modkilling a scum player, and then maybe not delivering mderg's roleblock? In any case, you can take a look at his filter for yourself here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=mderg On June 20 2014 18:58 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 20 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 20 2014 18:54 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 20 2014 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
slOosh, you were scumbuddies with mderg in Detention. Do you feel he's playing similarly in this game?
BH, you were the host that game. What do you recall of his play and do you see similarities? What do you think of my case? It's made me heavily doubt mderg's alignment, but it hasn't convinced me yet, ergo I'm looking for how he usually plays as scum/town for comparison. Yeah, we're gonna have a problem with that then. I generally only use meta when it supports my case, and now that I'm looking at his filter in detention, it looks like the issue here (he forgot that he was townreading 27nb and then voted her for no reason) didn't happen there. I am not making a behavioral analysis on mderg, but it's not exactly a scumslip case either. It's a case based on the fact that his train of thought really does NOT make sense. In Detention Mafia he has some scumtells and some nonsensical things he says, but nothing like this. I do think he's still scum though despite that. I attribute the change in playing style (conversational in Detention, non-conversational here) to World Cup. Doesn't remember anything about mderg's play or even alignment in Detention. Immediately after says he has scumtells. Total lies. There is a contradiction here, at most a minute apart. I believe it is because he decided his actions would be 'lynch mderg', and he would fill in the reasons as he went along. There's a hiccup here because he is just saying stuff and it lacks the consistency a townie would have when reading someone. In the thick of D2 when votes are flying around, for a moment people consider a Snickers lynch, so he moves off to go on Snickers. It looks like Snickers might actually get lynched here. What happens next? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 08:10 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 21 2014 08:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Release, what are your thoughts on mderg's vote just now? You had similar reservations to him being scummy as I did. I'll chime in. It makes me like mderg less. I still see him as opportunistic, and despite my thing about "no unflipped associations", I suddenly worry that mderg scum, snickers town and he's setting me up to get MLed tomorrow. mderg scum snickers scum might make sense as well if he's bussing / going for cred; his vote put snickers in the lead and was a "game changer". That said, I am no longer confident that I can lynch him today. People seem to like him. Backtracking. The confidence so present in the D1 wagon on bunnies is suddenly, conveniently, missing D2 on the mderg wagon. Now, his vote is still on Snickers here. Again, inconsistencies. He likes mderg less, and he never liked mderg here, so he must be extra scum read on mderg. He "suddenly" worries that mderg could be scum, which is inconsistent with his earlier posts, but yet doesn't move his vote onto mderg. After it all, here's what he posts. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 09:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:Well, well well. I came in after dinner, made an amazing case, wowed everyone. They followed me and we caught scum. Just as I knew we would But that's not what happened as the whole point of this post is. He made a case with some inconsistencies, didn't push it with the confidence of D1 bunnies mislynch, moved onto Snickers, then suddenly had qualms when it looked like Snickers lynch was possible and mderg lynch could be avoided, and then only stuck his vote on mderg after it looked inevitable. Yet he tries to frame himself for the one responsible for the lynch, which isn't at all true. YKZ is still scum.
On June 22 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote:
Convenient that YKZ is interested in popping in to defend himself, but not at all in coming up with scum reads.
In any case my case can be summarized as "YKZ didn't really want to lynch mderg D2". You guys can reread D2 for yourselves and decide if it's true or I'm making stuff up.
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Also VE I'm curious if you still feel the same way or different from last time about Lazermonkey.
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How do you find YKZ town?
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On June 23 2014 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright, that's a fair point. Not willing to lynch ykz anymore.
I don't see it, could you explain it to me?
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So Lazer, mderg started N1 / D2 with scum reads on VE and Snickers, and that's what he went with. Could you explain your interpretation of this scum strategies?
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On June 23 2014 07:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote:
So Lazer, mderg started N1 / D2 with scum reads on VE and Snickers, and that's what he went with. Could you explain your interpretation of this scum strategies? I've been having some trouble articulating my thoughts on this as well. So, when I do association, I try in general to do it the other way. If we look at flipped scum mderg, here's what we see: It's noteworthy that mderg scumreads VE (link) and votes him, and only votes me when it's clear only mderg or I can be lynched D2. That being said, in my opinion the most valuable associative tells are not based on what the flipped mafia did, but what other people did TO the flipped mafia before the flip. As I have mentioned before (link), this is a much more valuable form of information. The dying scum's goal is typically to throw off town and make it difficult to find his allies after he flips. this isn't to say there isn't info to be gained from mderg's filter, but the info to be gained from how other people interacted with him is much greater, in general.
This is only true when the scum anticipates dying. mderg's vote against VE came early D2.
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On June 23 2014 07:34 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:17 slOosh wrote:
So Lazer, mderg started N1 / D2 with scum reads on VE and Snickers, and that's what he went with. Could you explain your interpretation of this scum strategies? I'm not scum so I can obviously just guess here. I have already explained why I don't think its very unlikely that VE and mderg were scum bros. And why is Snickers even relevant here? He was suspected by many during D1-D2.
It was one directional, it that you explained why VE's actions fit a VE mderg scum team. I'm asking how mderg's actions, namely voting VE, makes sense in a VE mderg scum team.
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On June 23 2014 07:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 06:58 slOosh wrote:On June 23 2014 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright, that's a fair point. Not willing to lynch ykz anymore. I don't see it, could you explain it to me? The only points against BH are how he's gone about Day 1 with tunneling Bunnies and then being antagonizing for a bit throughout the night. On Day 2, after his tunnel target died he went into the day fairly open in terms of who he wanted to lynch and re-evaluated a lot. The fact that he pushed mderg as strongly as he did is a point in his favour too. When there are some people (like myself and you) defending a scumread, there's no reason to throw him under the bus.
So I'm swishing this net, let's call it the town net, and if I think someone is town, I let them through the net. Then I pull up the net and see what's inside.
I keep swishing my net and BH is usually in the net.
Let's compare nets?
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VE wanna compare nets yet or something?
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On June 23 2014 08:33 Chezinu wrote:
We need more drama in this thread.
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