On June 13 2014 23:37 marvellosity wrote: yes that's Fool.
no its matt
Well, I am somehow afraid this attempt to get you to speak will be futile but it would be really appreciated if you would give us at least some thoughts behind those reads or even in general.
sure!
MZ hasnt done anything this game while his town play usually has him actively speaking his mind and calling people out
Sandroba's town play includes destroying scum, while his mafia play includes lots of inactivity
The other 2 are not extremely substantiated but they have an off feel. For example ketomai seems like he has no confidence in any of what hes posting. Obi phil has a bad feeling about
I don't see the problem with not being confident about anything on the first day. In fact, the "stunning" case marv made for KoC actually did not seem that convincing to me personally. The lynch was so easy (among other reasons) that it makes me think he could possibly be bussing.
Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to use more concrete evidence like voting patterns and associative evidence, which is not available on the first day.
On June 13 2014 23:53 batsnacks wrote: Posting from phone. The only thing anyone has said about slam is that he neglected to share his info on cats, even when he was asked to. No one is analyzing things slam said, they are analyzing what he didn't say when he could, and should, have spoken up.
Analyzing what Slam didn't, hasn't or won't say is often a mistake in trying to read him. By often I mean always.
On June 13 2014 23:37 marvellosity wrote: yes that's Fool.
no its matt
Well, I am somehow afraid this attempt to get you to speak will be futile but it would be really appreciated if you would give us at least some thoughts behind those reads or even in general.
sure!
MZ hasnt done anything this game while his town play usually has him actively speaking his mind and calling people out
Sandroba's town play includes destroying scum, while his mafia play includes lots of inactivity
The other 2 are not extremely substantiated but they have an off feel. For example ketomai seems like he has no confidence in any of what hes posting. Obi phil has a bad feeling about
I don't see the problem with not being confident about anything on the first day. In fact, the "stunning" case marv made for KoC actually did not seem that convincing to me personally. The lynch was so easy (among other reasons) that it makes me think he could possibly be bussing.
Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to use more concrete evidence like voting patterns and associative evidence, which is not available on the first day.
On June 14 2014 00:10 marvellosity wrote: because it's meaningless as a phrase and concept. making a couple of posts here and there throughout the day is making a couple of posts here and there throughout the day.
actively lurking is just some buzzword jargon that encompasses a whole range of stuff without really having any implications.
I mean if you think he's disconnected from the game or around and yet not engaging, stick to calling it that, that actually has meaning
Okay, my point is that he's here throughout the day and yet choosing not to comment on anything other than direct questions/arguments to him, nearly all of which concern only his read on me. If he was town he would be interested in events in the thread and would give other reads, if he was scum he would want to post in the thread as little as possible and maintain as few strong reads as possible.
it's definitely possible he is mafia
i already said on d1 why i was hesitant about lynching him then, and Foolish also said some stuff.
On June 12 2014 21:41 marvellosity wrote: for reference i have temporarily discounted ritoky because although i find his "reeks of TMI" stuff really odd, in some way he didn't understand why it was odd and seemed quite angry I didn't understand, and also his posts in plenty of parts seem pretty direct. so maybe he is mafia but maybe also those could be reasons he isn't.
On June 13 2014 08:24 mattisfoolish wrote: I think ritoky is town because he seems confident in his posting and is putting his thoughts out. I saw someone say that he's mafia (this was a while ago) so I decided to look into it. Honestly I think this guy got some heat in a recent game as well when he was town and I'm noticing a similar sort of pattern. I also don't get the feeling that he's hiding anything in his posting.
It seems like confidence/directness/"passion" are the main things, but I don't really see those as necessarily town traits. From my own experience, it's really easy for scum to be those things about a read as long as they've built up the logic in their head that they're following (in GoT I pushed Risen for a while confidently/passionately because I was confident that the reasons I was calling him scum for made him look bad). I'm not sure how Foolishness can get a meta read either because he's only played town games so far.
On June 13 2014 20:33 HaruRH wrote: It is really hard to post something pretty on phone T.T
Just a clarification on how my scum% system works, everyone starts off at 0% scum and the number increases through scum posts.
Firstly, I was observing how people jumped from roundabound -> koshi -> snb -> kotc. There were people who preferred to jump wagons at last minute, or stay on the wagon. These people were ignored since it is normal to do so.
However, 1 person did something striking to me. Rainbows initially sheeped the koshi vote. His reason was this: + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 12:03 Rainbows wrote: As I was refreshing this thread on my phone while at work, a couple things I thought were interesting. First was Yamato's post here + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 09:27 yamato77 wrote: at p. 30, three posts I want to comment on
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
This case is not good. Sinani is not mafia for how he's played so far, and marv agreeing with Chrom about this read is suspicious. Do not like the sinani = mafia read at all.
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
lol
are you serious?
This about sums up my thoughts on Robik. Not to be taken seriously.
On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote: First scumread for me: roundabound
On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote: There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves
another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg.
I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum
You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.
##Vote: Roundaboud
I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play.
The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play.
On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote: Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time.
I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player.
On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote: Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!
This post is Howling like a boss.
Why?
Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you?
The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.
Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks.
That said, I don't like the case on him either, however I find this post to be a more reasonable and townie one than Chrom's post about sinani.
tl;dr Chrom and Marv bad, sinani and robik not good lynches, Chairman townish.
that I initially didn't find agreeable, because I was leaning town on Chrom (initial sinani pressure seemed good, overall posts seemed towny)Marv and Mocsta (roundabout) appeared to instantly pick up on the same thing I was feeling here: + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 09:27 yamato77 wrote: at p. 30, three posts I want to comment on
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
This case is not good. Sinani is not mafia for how he's played so far, and marv agreeing with Chrom about this read is suspicious. Do not like the sinani = mafia read at all.
On June 11 2014 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
lol
are you serious?
This about sums up my thoughts on Robik. Not to be taken seriously.
On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote: First scumread for me: roundabound
On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote: There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves
another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg.
I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum
You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.
##Vote: Roundaboud
I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play.
The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play.
On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote: Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time.
I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player.
On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:07 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote: Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!
This post is Howling like a boss.
Why?
Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you?
The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.
Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks.
That said, I don't like the case on him either, however I find this post to be a more reasonable and townie one than Chrom's post about sinani.
tl;dr Chrom and Marv bad, sinani and robik not good lynches, Chairman townish.
you're bad because you fail at basic reading comprehension.
On June 11 2014 09:30 roundabound wrote: Yamato has to be scum; or a completely changed man
~moc
. These responses by moc and marv make me feel better about them, because they were thinking what I was thinking as I read Yamato's post. Regardless of Yams alignment, I think marv and moc are towny because they were on the same wavelength as I. Similar reads on a post like this is a good indicator of who is playing for what team.
On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote: Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself: ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early.
On June 11 2014 05:49 yamato77 wrote: There's a nonzero chance that both bat and palmy are wolves
another good point.
god im so confused.
this game is really hard.
can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.
shit i hope nobody notices me omg.
I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum
You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.
##Vote: Roundaboud
I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play.
The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play.
On June 11 2014 06:08 roundabound wrote: Banks, I don't like that you haven't cleared me yet. I'm the easiest read of all fucking time.
I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player.
On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote: Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!
This post is Howling like a boss.
Why?
Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you?
The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.
Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks.
TehPoofter: Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game.
roundabound: Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote: Sign your posts bro, also wont be playing till Thursday, cya!
This post is Howling like a boss.
Why?
Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you?
The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town.
On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote: This is a really weird reaction from Palmar.
If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post.
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling.
Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared.
Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote
awkward corner aka might lynch will watch: Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him.
On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote: first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first
therefore the first six people to post are scum
gg
On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote: Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering.
Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good.
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
TicaTica: Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote: He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.
Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.
what was your post then
Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest
##Vote: sinani206
Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll.
On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote: Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy.
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote: Sinani what do you think of JAT?
Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.
In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game. I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.
and therefore your conclusion?
I think it's kinda scummy.
I tend to agree, "if he keeps this up i can see a chance of him being red" is like so many layers of qualifiers :p
on the other hand i'm pretty taken aback that sinani is posting volumously at all. that's a turn up for the books.
Well, is it alignment indicative though? I never played with him afaik.
well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though.
Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity.
##vote: TicaTica
, which I found underwhelming when concerning a bunch of null readers and disagreeable. We differ on Chrom reads apparently, but it looks like Koshi is soft-defending Sinani here. "Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No." Seems like a pretty bold statement for a supposed towny to make and be so assured of. He also voted tictac which is OK, but why not Chrom? spent more time discussing chrom than tic which I found to be odd.
So yeah, I like chrom for early pressure and general posting, moc / marv seem to be on the same page as I am. Yamato seems a bit off, leaning maff. Koshi evul.
Randoms reads. Bill Murray seems like a douche, but not mafia douche atm. Leaning somewhat townie douche. I'm OK with a douche as long as he doesn't bleed red. Chairman seems pretty well-structured to me, post on round appeals to a lot of logical assumptions. His koshi post goes from "his post seems scummy" to "he seems town", so i'm not sure what he's trying to do there.
A pretty normal reason to vote on koshi. However, his switch from koshi to snb was suspect. He jumped off the koshi wagon quite quickly after some people jumped off the wagon and leeched obto the snb wagon when it was just starting, and it seemed to be a potential wagon. This was his crappy reason.+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2014 08:53 Rainbows wrote: StrongandBig's posts thus far have been atrocious. Some summary, calls people stupid, and gives a very badly formed read on myself based on a bunch of unexplained "indications" that mean nothing.
I indicate SnB is mafia. Lynch with fire. ##Unvote: Koshi ##Vote: StrongandBig
This is obviously just a sheep post. At this point, he probably just wanted to sheep and gain easy towncreds if his sheep worked - but people jumped off snb into kotc vote. What I theorize is, if rainbows was unable to jump to kotc for 2 reasons: 1) he was scum and is unabls to vote for his scummate. 2) any more jumps and he will look suspicious.
These few suspect jumps and the kotc flip have led me to give rainbows a 30% scum rating. Post me qns about anyone who you want me to show my ratings and explanation.
On June 13 2014 23:24 Chromatically wrote: I don't know if I would say he's my "new target", I think the flip makes him look bad and there's nothing particularly townie in his filter.
You completely agree with marv on his post about haru, you say there's nothing towny in his filter and his vote makes him look bad.
Is there another word that's supposed to be coming out of your mouth that you just aren't saying?
Uh what? I assume you want me to say that he's scum, I thought it was implied. I just didn't like the wording of "new target" like he's the one person I want to lynch.
I think your votes looked like one of the worst imo
Okay.
you spent the whole time talking about your ritoky case (which applied to many other people too but you still only chose ritoky) and then just briefly mentioned cats but you didn't even call him scummy
On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote: The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday.
tbh you clearly didn't even read anything i posted about kush or read his filters properly because you said it looked like the town game when it was worlds apart from it and then when cats was already being voted off and was definitely going to die you joined the wagon even though it was pretty much solid anyway, what was your motivation for that???
Are you serious?
The case on ritoky does not apply to anyone else. You said that before, I responded, and you ignored it (actually you said that you would "contemplate ritoky hardcore tonight" indicating that you thought it had merit?).
Literally the sentence before the one you highlighted says that the case on Cats is good ie he's scum. Later Slam pointed out that he wasn't actually new, so my objections were invalid. I make it pretty clear that I am fine with a Cats lynch.
I really didn't care about kush because if we weren't lynching Cats, we were lynching ritoky. As I said at the time, Cats lynch is way better than a kush lynch.
What's the scum motivation for switching my vote, even though it doesn't matter? Switching the vote at that point is essentially a symbolic gesture (one that scum would feel awkward about doing). I switched because ritoky clearly wasn't getting lynched, and I also liked a Cats lynch.
missed this but yeh, i just said that so you'd vote kush (i will look at him though, i still think your case on ritoky applies to lots of people) and you're right about the slam thing, still don't like your vote switch though, the last person that did a "symbolic gesture" vote was dp as mafia
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote: I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.
I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.
IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)
Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.
On June 13 2014 23:30 Chromatically wrote: Anyway, in short what I was going to say about Slam is that he also ignored the case on Cats even though he was the only one who knew Cats' meta. He pops in to let me know that Cats is from OMGUS, but doesn't give any analysis on what that says for Cats (why not?). He then later says:
Yeh so I Dinnae switch because I wasn't sure. See he's good enough at town that I don't like him as a d1 lynch.
Feel free to vig me or something if you want.
Otherwise any way I can conftown myself?
which means that he DID actually have an opinion on the Cats lynch: too good to be lynched D1.
As scum, he wouldn't want to post that before the flip because he thinks he would look bad if he soft defends the scum lynch before he flips. As town, there's no reason not to give his opinion on the lynch.
I knew this the moment cats flipped. I did give everyone his meta though, he is called tkotc over there too
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote: I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.
I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.
IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)
Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.
On June 11 2014 23:30 kushm4sta wrote: yeah hf is too scummy to be scum i agree with that. i eel like if he were scum there would be at least some effort to appease town about his absence.
On June 13 2014 23:40 TicaTica wrote: Can we live in reality where Slam's alignment is a complete coin flip? He's been significantly less helpful this game than in a few previous. That's the major thing to note that could be said is even minorly alignment indicative. But any fuckhead who thinks they can read Slam in this game is just off their rocker. He's a fine vigi shot. He's maybe an ok lynch, but let's not bother spending time to actually read and analyze him and instead read and analyze people who are actually readable and discernable. At worst we can alway default to a Slam lynch as is the general omgus policy: "When in doubt, lynch Slam."
On June 13 2014 23:24 Chromatically wrote: I don't know if I would say he's my "new target", I think the flip makes him look bad and there's nothing particularly townie in his filter.
You completely agree with marv on his post about haru, you say there's nothing towny in his filter and his vote makes him look bad.
Is there another word that's supposed to be coming out of your mouth that you just aren't saying?
Uh what? I assume you want me to say that he's scum, I thought it was implied. I just didn't like the wording of "new target" like he's the one person I want to lynch.
I think your votes looked like one of the worst imo
Okay.
you spent the whole time talking about your ritoky case (which applied to many other people too but you still only chose ritoky) and then just briefly mentioned cats but you didn't even call him scummy
On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote: The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday.
tbh you clearly didn't even read anything i posted about kush or read his filters properly because you said it looked like the town game when it was worlds apart from it and then when cats was already being voted off and was definitely going to die you joined the wagon even though it was pretty much solid anyway, what was your motivation for that???
Are you serious?
The case on ritoky does not apply to anyone else. You said that before, I responded, and you ignored it (actually you said that you would "contemplate ritoky hardcore tonight" indicating that you thought it had merit?).
Literally the sentence before the one you highlighted says that the case on Cats is good ie he's scum. Later Slam pointed out that he wasn't actually new, so my objections were invalid. I make it pretty clear that I am fine with a Cats lynch.
I really didn't care about kush because if we weren't lynching Cats, we were lynching ritoky. As I said at the time, Cats lynch is way better than a kush lynch.
What's the scum motivation for switching my vote, even though it doesn't matter? Switching the vote at that point is essentially a symbolic gesture (one that scum would feel awkward about doing). I switched because ritoky clearly wasn't getting lynched, and I also liked a Cats lynch.
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This doesn't jive with your soft case one me, did I give town info or did I withhold it?
On June 13 2014 23:40 TicaTica wrote: Can we live in reality where Slam's alignment is a complete coin flip? He's been significantly less helpful this game than in a few previous. That's the major thing to note that could be said is even minorly alignment indicative. But any fuckhead who thinks they can read Slam in this game is just off their rocker. He's a fine vigi shot. He's maybe an ok lynch, but let's not bother spending time to actually read and analyze him and instead read and analyze people who are actually readable and discernable. At worst we can alway default to a Slam lynch as is the general omgus policy: "When in doubt, lynch Slam."
EPT
. What do you think of the people pushing you?
