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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 13 2014 15:54 GMT
#2281
On June 14 2014 00:53 Palmar wrote:
I think this foolishmatt may be mafia. But I'm not sure.

For why?

+ Show Spoiler +
¿Por que?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 13 2014 15:55 GMT
#2282
On June 14 2014 00:53 Palmar wrote:
Like that comment on MZ is asinine.

O

What comment?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2014 15:56 GMT
#2283
Calling my shot on VA.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 15:57 GMT
#2284
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.

are you for realsies?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 16:00 GMT
#2285
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.


if its not kush you suck
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
June 13 2014 16:01 GMT
#2286
On June 14 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote:
I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.

I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.

IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)

Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.


Assuming you're not bussing: That comment looks more to me like he's just trying to post an easy read so he has some content and it backfired because he played badly. I don't think he expected people to jump on that "obvious" read. He admitted he's bad at playing mafia; I do not find it strange. Also, before that several people (including yourself) posted something along the lines of "anyone who thinks Exo is scum is trash", which makes it an even easier fake read because it's not a controversial statement.

I also am not sure enough that Exo is mafia to contemplate KotC's actions regarding him yet, but it's definitely something to look at later.

Most good associative reads will require more than just one mafia flip/voting cycle.Facts like that will become stronger as the game goes on, but I think it's inefficient to think about them now.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2014 16:01 GMT
#2287
On June 14 2014 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.

are you for realsies?

100%
Not gonna be around any closer to the deadline, I'm phone posting on my way out.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 13 2014 16:02 GMT
#2288
On June 14 2014 00:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 00:53 Palmar wrote:
I think this foolishmatt may be mafia. But I'm not sure.

For why?

+ Show Spoiler +
¿Por que?


On June 14 2014 00:17 mattisfoolish wrote:
MZ hasnt done anything this game while his town play usually has him actively speaking his mind and calling people out


esta comentario es ridículo
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 16:02 GMT
#2289
On June 14 2014 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.

are you for realsies?

100%
Not gonna be around any closer to the deadline, I'm phone posting on my way out.

VA is actually playing the game a bit

kush is claiming jester and begging to be lynched.

please don't be a poopyhead.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
June 13 2014 16:03 GMT
#2290
Oh my b that was Obiwan. Whatever. The case against him wasn't particularly strong at that point and some people were calling him town. It's my opinion that his comment was meant to be fluff.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 16:04 GMT
#2291
On June 14 2014 01:01 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote:
I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.

I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.

IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)

Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.


Assuming you're not bussing: That comment looks more to me like he's just trying to post an easy read so he has some content and it backfired because he played badly. I don't think he expected people to jump on that "obvious" read. He admitted he's bad at playing mafia; I do not find it strange. Also, before that several people (including yourself) posted something along the lines of "anyone who thinks Exo is scum is trash", which makes it an even easier fake read because it's not a controversial statement.

I also am not sure enough that Exo is mafia to contemplate KotC's actions regarding him yet, but it's definitely something to look at later.

Most good associative reads will require more than just one mafia flip/voting cycle.Facts like that will become stronger as the game goes on, but I think it's inefficient to think about them now.

only roundabound said that.

If it's an "easy read" on Exo, that means Exo is town.

Nothing you say is particularly logical.

And your last paragraph. I guess you'll be useful on day 9 when there are 3 players left, but not before, amirite?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 13 2014 16:05 GMT
#2292
On June 14 2014 01:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.

are you for realsies?

100%
Not gonna be around any closer to the deadline, I'm phone posting on my way out.

VA is actually playing the game a bit

kush is claiming jester and begging to be lynched.

please don't be a poopyhead.

I mean VA told us to lynch him too but since you nailed cats I'm willing to sheep you marv. I'm changing it now. See yall later.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 16:06 GMT
#2293
On June 14 2014 01:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 01:02 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.

are you for realsies?

100%
Not gonna be around any closer to the deadline, I'm phone posting on my way out.

VA is actually playing the game a bit

kush is claiming jester and begging to be lynched.

please don't be a poopyhead.

I mean VA told us to lynch him too but since you nailed cats I'm willing to sheep you marv. I'm changing it now. See yall later.

O.o unexpected. but ok.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
June 13 2014 16:06 GMT
#2294
On June 14 2014 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 01:01 ketomai wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote:
I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.

I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.

IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)

Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.


Assuming you're not bussing: That comment looks more to me like he's just trying to post an easy read so he has some content and it backfired because he played badly. I don't think he expected people to jump on that "obvious" read. He admitted he's bad at playing mafia; I do not find it strange. Also, before that several people (including yourself) posted something along the lines of "anyone who thinks Exo is scum is trash", which makes it an even easier fake read because it's not a controversial statement.

I also am not sure enough that Exo is mafia to contemplate KotC's actions regarding him yet, but it's definitely something to look at later.

Most good associative reads will require more than just one mafia flip/voting cycle.Facts like that will become stronger as the game goes on, but I think it's inefficient to think about them now.

only roundabound said that.

If it's an "easy read" on Exo, that means Exo is town.

Nothing you say is particularly logical.

And your last paragraph. I guess you'll be useful on day 9 when there are 3 players left, but not before, amirite?


Lol, I would accept that comment from you if it were 3-4 days in, but it's been 1 day and 1 voting cycle. Not everyone can find mafia after 1 day like you can.

And by easy read I meant he thought people would ignore it and it'd be inconsequential. It could be he did not think who he found evidence for mattered as long as it was easy and it seemed like he contributed.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 13 2014 16:07 GMT
#2295
On June 14 2014 01:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 01:02 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Calling my shot on VA.

are you for realsies?

100%
Not gonna be around any closer to the deadline, I'm phone posting on my way out.

VA is actually playing the game a bit

kush is claiming jester and begging to be lynched.

please don't be a poopyhead.

I mean VA told us to lynch him too but since you nailed cats I'm willing to sheep you marv. I'm changing it now. See yall later.


inb4 kush flips town and you're mafia vig
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 16:07 GMT
#2296
On June 14 2014 01:06 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 01:01 ketomai wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote:
I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.

I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.

IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)

Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.


Assuming you're not bussing: That comment looks more to me like he's just trying to post an easy read so he has some content and it backfired because he played badly. I don't think he expected people to jump on that "obvious" read. He admitted he's bad at playing mafia; I do not find it strange. Also, before that several people (including yourself) posted something along the lines of "anyone who thinks Exo is scum is trash", which makes it an even easier fake read because it's not a controversial statement.

I also am not sure enough that Exo is mafia to contemplate KotC's actions regarding him yet, but it's definitely something to look at later.

Most good associative reads will require more than just one mafia flip/voting cycle.Facts like that will become stronger as the game goes on, but I think it's inefficient to think about them now.

only roundabound said that.

If it's an "easy read" on Exo, that means Exo is town.

Nothing you say is particularly logical.

And your last paragraph. I guess you'll be useful on day 9 when there are 3 players left, but not before, amirite?


Lol, I would accept that comment from you if it were 3-4 days in, but it's been 1 day and 1 voting cycle. Not everyone can find mafia after 1 day like you can.

And by easy read I meant he thought people would ignore it and it'd be inconsequential. It could be he did not think who he found evidence for mattered as long as it was easy and it seemed like he contributed.

but it's not easy to find evidence that a team-mate is town, because they are not town

it's easy to find evidence a townie is town, because they are town

that's kinda the point of it being easy you see
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
June 13 2014 16:12 GMT
#2297
On June 14 2014 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 01:06 ketomai wrote:
On June 14 2014 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 01:01 ketomai wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2014 00:37 ketomai wrote:
I already gave what I thought based on the KoC lynch previously. I'll probably have more after the night actions are done.

I'd love to hear your case against me, btw.

IF you like associations, don't you find it rather unlikely that KotC would confidently declare his scumbuddy town as his first/only townread? (exo)

Mafia basically never do this. Mafia love to call townies town though.


Assuming you're not bussing: That comment looks more to me like he's just trying to post an easy read so he has some content and it backfired because he played badly. I don't think he expected people to jump on that "obvious" read. He admitted he's bad at playing mafia; I do not find it strange. Also, before that several people (including yourself) posted something along the lines of "anyone who thinks Exo is scum is trash", which makes it an even easier fake read because it's not a controversial statement.

I also am not sure enough that Exo is mafia to contemplate KotC's actions regarding him yet, but it's definitely something to look at later.

Most good associative reads will require more than just one mafia flip/voting cycle.Facts like that will become stronger as the game goes on, but I think it's inefficient to think about them now.

only roundabound said that.

If it's an "easy read" on Exo, that means Exo is town.

Nothing you say is particularly logical.

And your last paragraph. I guess you'll be useful on day 9 when there are 3 players left, but not before, amirite?


Lol, I would accept that comment from you if it were 3-4 days in, but it's been 1 day and 1 voting cycle. Not everyone can find mafia after 1 day like you can.

And by easy read I meant he thought people would ignore it and it'd be inconsequential. It could be he did not think who he found evidence for mattered as long as it was easy and it seemed like he contributed.

but it's not easy to find evidence that a team-mate is town, because they are not town

it's easy to find evidence a townie is town, because they are town

that's kinda the point of it being easy you see


That early on, almost anything can be spun in a way that looks town. No one actually has any evidence that early on so it's VERY easy to make any comment look town. If it were that hard mafia would never win because they would never act like town.

Anyway, I think it's useless to speculate on that. It's only my opinion anyway, and I only gave it because you asked specifically. There's no way to tell what that comment says about Exo until at least another day of voting.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 13 2014 16:14 GMT
#2298
oh yea we know mafia has a bunch of sick power roles so MZ rolling around shooting the easiest targets really doesnt sit well with me. I am fairly certain that kush and me are not mafia.

interesting to say the least but I guess its consistent
I come in for the scraps
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 16:15 GMT
#2299
Actually it means Exo is quite likely to be town.

Also batsnacks is very likely to be town based on only KotC's filter. That's the two useful associations from that flip and filter.

Like I said before, mafia almost never throw out an "easy" solid townread on a scumbuddy as their opening read. Even less likely that someone who is bad at scum would do so.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2014 16:16 GMT
#2300
On June 14 2014 01:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh yea we know mafia has a bunch of sick power roles so MZ rolling around shooting the easiest targets really doesnt sit well with me. I am fairly certain that kush and me are not mafia.

interesting to say the least but I guess its consistent

I thought this also. But then I thought MZ is taking a risk randomly claiming vigi like that. If there's a real vigi then he'd be super suspicious of MZ right now and i'm finding it hard thinking of anyone that MZ would win a showdown with if there was a counterclaim (which i don't think should happen right now, town may have two town vigis, even though i find this pretty unlikely, partly because of the pregame talk where the worry was that mafia did not have enough KP, so giving town a lot of KP does not make much sense).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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