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VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 26 2014 17:36 GMT

#194

SnB should elaborate on his suspicion of me so I can shit on him.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 26 2014 18:13 GMT

#201

I'm saying the same things over and over because I'm responding directly to people asking me questions without reading my posts. Overwrought? How? That was in direct response to geript diatribe about Caller. If you want to lynch Caller then explain how it is more likely he makes that shot as scum. The best argument is that he's more likely to "get away with" the shot on Palmar than on stronger players but that doesn't make it any more likely than him making the shot as town.

I'm among the only players actually taking a stance on the matter also and if you think Caller it's scum then me having an opinion on it at all along with my activity should cause you to at least look elsewhere for scum. When I get to a computer I will read up and comment on people who aren't Caller/Palmar, though it would be super awesome if a few more people weighed in on stuff before I do.

VE is obviously town. Think about someone else.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 26 2014 20:46 GMT

#218

Like whatever you don't like my townread of Caller. Cool story bros.

##Unvote
##Vote: Caller

Maybe you're right. The remainder of my posts will be about other players. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 16:39 GMT

#339

On April 28 2014 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
I think Geript is mafia. Also possibly VE. Not at home to elaborate.

Do it anyway now bitch or you die. Not even joking.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 16:40 GMT

#340

*click*

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 16:42 GMT

#341

Like, of everyone I thought you would be the one defending me in this position yamato. I've made myself obviously town since minute one. If you don't explain in completely transparent terms why you think I might be scum, I decorate the wall with your brains.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 16:48 GMT

#343

You were "trying to do that" anyway SnB remember? LOL

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 16:49 GMT

#345

How? Do you know something about yamato's alignment that I do not? :O

##Unvote
##Vote: strongandbig

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 18:44 GMT

#358

On April 28 2014 02:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Foolishness almost certainly is not scum. His posts have real intention behind them and he's looking into people's meta to try to figure out whether their plays this game (and there have been many odd plays this game) align with their scum play or town play. That level of interest in actually determining people's alignment tells me Fool is town. Not a good lynch today imo. Not really sure why you're voting him.

Like...has anyone looked at Foolishness' filter? Can anyone say with a straight face that BH could have gotten any of this stuff from Foolishness' filter?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 18:44 GMT

#359

I might like a BH lynch the most at present.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 27 2014 18:46 GMT

#360

##Unvote
##Vote: Blazinghand

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 03:26 GMT

#534

##Unvote
##Vote: strongandbig

I've exceeded my allotted post limit. I have my reservations about a strongandbig lynch, but I think Oats is town and we're out of options. I don't see why anyone thinks we should keep Blazinghand around. I'm not a day-vig, I was never going to shoot yamato, that's fucked up of Slam, but who the hell can read that guy? I would maybe vote Slam tho if he were an option. I'm not sure how I feel about Foolishness - he mentioned me a couple of times in his mega post and I can't help but wonder why. The only time I ever sheeped a vote was onto Caller and it was because a few people were calling him scum and conceded that I could be wrong. He's not a terrible vote though, he's certainly not projecting very townie aside from his non-shot. We don't know if he knew it would be fake. If he did then we can maybe assume he's town for using it the way he did, but he didn't really discuss any of the information he could have gathered from it so that's meehhhh. I could vote Caller too at this point.

If anyone wants to donate me a couple of posts I won't waste them, but this is approximately where I stand right now and I'm rereading too.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 03:36 GMT

#540

I don't know why you shot Yam. You said in the post where you did it that you can't post the reason with the shot, then after that you just explained that you considered a bunch of other people and decided not to. That basically there hasn't been much "pro-town" from him, which describes APPROXIMATELY half the playerlist right now. There's NOTHING that makes yamato stick out of them aside from my own personal annoyance that he never did get to explain why he thought I was suspicious. So no, I won't use my last post to explain to you why you used your shot the way you did because I can't.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 03:39 GMT

#541

I may be willing to switch to Oats, but SnB has been calling me scum and that's not the kind of sentiment I like hanging around /my/ town.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 03:45 GMT

#542

Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 03:54 GMT

#552

On April 28 2014 12:48 Foolishness wrote:

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Check one: (X) ---- Yes O ---- No

Only because I have no idea how to read you though.

Likewise. Please explain which sheep vote you would have me explain at your leisure.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 03:58 GMT

#556

On April 28 2014 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:
Not changing my vote apparently.

VE you did not read my filter like I asked.

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First off I said I COULD. DUE to being allowed to post the shot.

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On April 28 2014 12:09 Alakaslam wrote:

On April 28 2014 10:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##Donate 5 posts to prplhz
##donate 5 posts to alakaslam

Oh! Thank you greatly!

On April 28 2014 09:06 Cephiro wrote:

On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote:
One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple.

As much as trying to think about the game as an environment where people for for the logical or optimal choices, that's not what happens here. I don't even bother trying to make my assumptions on optimal plays or expecting someone to do what I feel is logical since it just won't happen. Townies rarely make the best choices available, even if it seemed like an easy choice looking at it later on. As scum, you can intentionally play sub-optimally to make you look more town to people that assume there is no reason to not do such. (Such as in my last game in Cell, I pushed for geript at the end instead of prplhz when going for prplhz would have been the "easy" mislynch, but I thought that if I push for him it may seem to others too easily as the obvious mislynch pick, and that someone might pick on the logic and defend me for not going for prplhz even though I could have done that, since "trying to get geript lynched made no sense from mafia perspective".

On April 28 2014 04:54 prplhz wrote:
If what Caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? He only got 4 votes, including sandroba and Ace who usually have quite a bit of town pull. Hence it needed more explanation, I responded to people using arguments like "too dumb to be scum" and explained why they didn't apply. If what caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him?

There's just no point in going 100% "Lynch Caller" after what he did, agree on that and kill the discussion, it doesn't get us anywhere. Especially with the most votes -> disable daykill powers mechanic which can be used in interesting ways. If it had been a real nuke, I'd probably be voting to lynch Caller right now. I still don't like what he did, but at the moment I feel it was much more likely to come from a town player rather than a scum player. At start when we "can afford", there's no reason to force ourselves into a decision at the start of a cycle when a lot of things can still come up.

Point of curiosity: Just how many posts did JAT waste solely on asking people to donate him more? Yeah. Using your last posts to provide nothing yet ask for more is a bit interesting.. contradictory even. Given that you can't be sure you'll gain any, why not make use of what you have left if you're in danger of running out?

@geript: I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time, enjoy esports first and delve into mafia later, rather than do both half-assedly at the same time.

Alakaslam: Retarded shot. And here I was thinking you might be town a while ago.

General: I am not getting on snb wagon, I feel like it's a mislynch wagon. The oats wagon might be onto something however, and I don't see any bad names on that wagon either. If I had to consolidate on someone, I would get on Oats.

Caller's shot is terribad. Why prp...?

Will be around for a little while or until I fall asleep. Also doing this to prove I have no KP:

#Kill: Blazinghand
#Nuke: Blazinghand

... Only one hash, proves nothing -_-

On April 28 2014 09:57 geript wrote:
To snooglewoogle I am the oats whisperer. I don't think any of your points actually make him scum. Normal people, maybe but not oats IMO.
I'm really surprised slam shot without any provocation. That's pretty far out his character. Like really really far out of his character. Enough so that I'm considering him again.
I don't get why Sandroba doesn't like the SnB stuf.
~16

No provocation?!?

Did you read my given reason for my shot?!?

I was in an RNG list he set up with no posts left! I was half defending all the vets on that list, a quarter getting an opportunity to say something, and a quarter self defense!

Stuff like this I say please AMA about my shot because clearly I did not make myself understood!

I will now say it EXHAUSTIVELY.

I came into the thread and saw Yamato77 claiming he would randomly vig into anyone voting for snb.

Not only was I on snb, but a number of vets I respect were. I saw this as VERY anti town.

I immediately began to try and find out if I could vig him before he did me, or say, Foolishness, for that matter. Soon as I found I could, and could use the post to explain the shot, I did so as quickly as I could.

It is really that simple folks, I did not see his retraction until after the fact, whence I said some kind of misspelled all caps phone speak for remorse.

Oh well, I would rather have used my shot later or had the glory of N1 NK. But as it is, I shot Yamato77 for reasons not as stupid as people are asserting (but still stupid), and with plenty of provocation. I could not defend myself any other way and he seemed blind to the post restriction and my carefree use of it*in spoiler*. + Show Spoiler +

It is my meta you know.

I am now steadfast on SNB, though I would rather not be. I would rather be able to consolidate at deadline if needed. But I want to point this out that I asked VE to do somethign, he now has 11 post, wouldn't do it.

Arguably doing it because he pseudo-threatened to shoot you is even worse, but I'll let that pass. I did read your filter and stopped in the post after your shot. Whatever, it's still fucked up. I don't retract that.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 04:02 GMT

#567

On April 28 2014 12:55 austinmcc wrote:

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Any reasons?

Also, if I call you mafia will you read my posts and answer questions/talk to me? + Show Spoiler +

On April 28 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote:
Also, VE,

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Otherwise, I'll just resort to adding this to every post? + Show Spoiler +

Odin, no problem on timing, I'd just like to see your thoughts. (Also, as far as whatever goes, we have seen ONE person shoot. Alakaslam shot, he shot yamato. Nobody else shot yamato. Nobody else has legit shot anyone in a dead-making capacity. Oats didn't shoot anything or anyone, he voted Alakaslam because of Alakaslam's shot on Yamato)

BH, still curious about your read on oats, along with VE's.

I said what I think about Caller - would lynch. That it was fake is irrelevant because he hasn't done anything with the information he could have gathered with it if he's town. He's come out with a scumread on me, but hasn't substantiated it in any capacity, is content to basically troll most of the game. I could lynch the piss out of Caller.

BH does these things where he thinks he's like super clever and outsmartypants when he's town, in this game he's not doing anything like that. He's just kinda hanging around the thread. He's not lurking as much as I'm used to which is nice, but I don't know - would lynch.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 04:12 GMT

#580

On April 28 2014 13:08 Ace wrote:

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It was Palmar who pardoned prp. Palmar is my number 1 because he wanted to hold the town hostage (lol) and wanted to shoot Caller instead of lynching him. If Caller is Town denying his flip while still leaving a lynch open is a major win for scum. Palmar's reaction was overboard. With Caller's nuke actually being a fake Palmar should be getting much more heat.

Before this game is over WE WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH! Only one of us can survive (likely, we'll both be dead).

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This isn't what's solely triggering me though. Palmar using his power before dying doesn't sway me towards his alignment. My point is based on him not wanting to lynch Caller, but hold the Town hostage if Caller isn't shot.

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@1st bolded: This doesn't invalidate him being scum. Palmar might have been able to do worse but speculating on him doing so doesn't offset what he originally did. Just because it isn't the absolute worst doesn't mean it isn't scummy. While Palmar could have "posted like he's town and give insight" he didn't, and we should be going off of what he did do and not speculate on what he could have done. Excusing his behavior because of an actions he didn't take that could have done more damage doesn't make sense.

@2nd bolded: I agree with this to a degree. I don't think there was some kind of master plan to it at all. Just a convenient effort to deny a flip and lynch the guy nuking you. If Palmar is scum here remember he doesn't flip on death anyway so him wanting his accuser shot and not flipping works out to his advantage anyway.

But that's not true - you have to factor in that he could have /really/ fucked over town by denying them a lynch entirely. You HAVE to factor that in because he DID not do that and he COULD have done that. And you KNOW that he's a player that would have known that.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

April 28 2014 04:16 GMT

#581

Oh no wait, he couldn't have done that if he was scum. Nevermind. Like, even if he wanted to do that he couldn't have done that at the time because as far as he knew Caller's nuke was fake.

....right?

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