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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 10:40 GMT
#381
I also have no problem with lynching a guy for 1 post. I know Vivax (I totes need you) figured out SnB in Sicilian for his opening post. But that was something completely different than this.

You people just say "no scumhunting at all in this 1 post" --> gg he is scum.

Explain to me why scum mderg would do that? Explain to me that the posts he quoted were pushing some agenda? Or that those posts showed some that mderg has extra information? Or show me that mderg is following this game very closely but and is lying about having little time.



But atm it looks like some shitty afk lynch.

Look Skanjab is doing.

Vote and fuck off.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 10:48 GMT
#382
On April 16 2014 19:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
koshi you;re being just as much of a bitch about this as I am. don't complaign that people aren';t pushing lynches enough for your liking when you're not doing it either

I am not complaining about people not pushing their lynches.

I am complaining about how you, Djag and Skanjab are now voting on a guy for no reason at all. It isn't clear to me. And if I wasn't here asking you questions about OTW, Kush you wouldn't have brought it up and we would lynch mderg.

Nobody even knew why you voted for mderg.
On April 16 2014 18:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 16 2014 18:37 Koshi wrote:
a guy has 10 minutes time to play the game. Reads thread. Quotes some posts he has ideas about and puts those ideas in thread.

That's what I see.

What you are seeing is:
A guy is pretending to be away from thread because he is scum.


How do you know you are right?


hmm? that's not my point

my point is that he argues with a few posts and points out some logical errors or whatever

but then he doesn't have any conclusions based on that. and nowhere in his oneliners do I get the sense that he's thinking about alignment. he's only thinking about arguing with random posts.

theres' not one single thing in his post that indicates that he's even remotely concerned with people's alignments. that's why i want to lynch him.

What is the bolded? He is scummy for giving his opinion on the 3 things actually discussed in the thread? Post count, self meta and the vig claim?
On April 16 2014 05:55 mderg wrote:
Such a great day! I had more than 10 minutes of free time in total. Awesome.



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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Finding townies is not a bi-product of catching scum. Finding townies is great. If someone is confirmed town, you can trust him. Also he won´t be misslynched which increases the probability of lynching scum. Scum can also be found by process of elimination.

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On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

wtf? I don´t get how claiming vig so early can help town in any way.

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On April 15 2014 20:12 Djagulingu wrote:
Can everyone tell his town play and scum play?

Please no. What´s the point of that? If you know your town play, you can fake it.

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On April 15 2014 20:58 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:45 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.


weak pressure on Skan on an association based on his first post and riding Koshi's tail seems to be what you're doing though what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?

I actually AM doing something productive for town. Luring people into a sophisticated discussion, trying to make the game a high-post game instead of a low-post one that would be good for scumbags.

You can't say it didn't work, can you? Especially considering the fact that you jumped right in.

A high-post game is not necessarily good for town. If there´s too many posts, it becomes difficult to filter out important information. I´d like to encourage people to a moderate post count, not spamming, no lurking.

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On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.

Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...


There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK):

1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on.
2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information.
3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff.


I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.


Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there.

Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n.
You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him.

The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking.

On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB
But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum.


This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through.

I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point.

If all it takes to look like town is to claim vig, I would do that every game i was scum in.

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On April 15 2014 23:40 OmniEulogy wrote:
Also for what it's worth I like Skan's claim. Although I think it's fake and can be a detriment to town if he really is Vig or just VT scum has to deal with that during N1, and by itself I see it in a good light. I disagree with Djag in thinking that single action makes him scummy.

Why do you like his claim? Sure, scum has to deal with it but otherwise scum would have had no idea about any power roles

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On April 16 2014 03:16 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.

That´s not a very strong argument. Blaming a newbie for saying that he´s a newbie cannot convince me in any way.




So difficult going through this. The one liners really hurt my reading comprehension.


I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 16 2014 10:49 GMT
#383
well I do sorta recognize that it's a shitty afk lynch. that's why I'm not pushing it so hard lol.

a few hours ago i read the thread, decided that mdgerg was scummy, OE is a bit scummy too and that he needed to be my first priority. I noticed that he started posted a little less than 24 hours ago so I thought i'd hang out in the thread and try to talk to him when he shows up. but he hasn't. reading his filter over and over doesn't do anything for me so I can't really progress that read.

you ask what's mderg's agenda. isn't the fact that he has no agenda pretty scummy? my whole point is that he has no agenda, that he's literally not trying to find mafia. he's make NO EFFORTS to find mafia, he doesn't even seem interested in that part of the game. idc about him lying or not, his 10 min statement doesn't tell me anything other than that he feels like he needs to apoligze for his lack of contributions.

so I'm wanting to look into OE but i';m conflicted about that, so I want to talk to him first. but he won't oblige me

i'm semi interested in lynching kush and i tried to talk to you about that but you half-agreed with me then decided the conversation was useless.

so i don't know what you expect from me, considering all of the above
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 16 2014 10:50 GMT
#384
koshi do you think that a townie can write the post that mderg wrote and think to themselves that they are helping town figure out who to lynch?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
April 16 2014 10:50 GMT
#385
I took a shower you moron. I can't be at my computer 24/7.

Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.

You didn't answer my question at all, by the way, you've just been bitching for no reason. Saying "because all of you have done nothing" isn't a reason to be hard-defending mderg so badly, and stopping any attempts to pressure from happening.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 10:51 GMT
#386
Nobody discusses anything here.

OTW --> Flied under radar while he did nothing except talk defensively about his post about the vigclaim.

Nobody said shit. Even you thrawn. I had to bring it up and then you went "ahyeah, I was scumhunting earlier but I cba to put anything about it in the thread, I do find otw scummy"



Same with the Kush thing. I have to type "meh, I don't like Kush" and only then you give your opinion.


At least you do that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 10:52 GMT
#387
On April 16 2014 19:50 Skanjab1s wrote:
I took a shower you moron. I can't be at my computer 24/7.

Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.

You didn't answer my question at all, by the way, you've just been bitching for no reason. Saying "because all of you have done nothing" isn't a reason to be hard-defending mderg so badly, and stopping any attempts to pressure from happening.

Ok fine.

##vote: mderg

See you all after flip.


I am done with this game for now.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 16 2014 10:52 GMT
#388
lol. the problem is that scum are being scum and townies are being lazy. is that about right?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 10:54 GMT
#389
On April 16 2014 19:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol. the problem is that scum are being scum and townies are being lazy. is that about right?

Scum do scummy things.

Both scum and town can be lazy.

BOTH

BOTH


BOTTHHHHHH



You people got for mderg as if it is a 100% lynch.


Then there is a guy calling me a moron.

So fuck you all.
I had a good night of sleep.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 16 2014 10:54 GMT
#390
i think rayn's self detructive anti town tendacies have rubbed off on you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
April 16 2014 11:06 GMT
#391
Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it.

I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this:
On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?


On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.


On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean


These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
April 16 2014 11:08 GMT
#392
Actually yeah, I'm voting for kush, I like his lynch over mderg
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 11:49 GMT
#393
hold up guys let me catch up on the game and give my thoughts. This will probably happen some time between 10-12 est.
After I do that I should look pretty town.

i realize the shit I've said has been pretty retarded but it's not like there was better shit to talk about that early in the game. two alpha towns figthing... what do you say about that..
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 11:55 GMT
#394
On April 16 2014 20:49 kushm4sta wrote:
hold up guys let me catch up on the game and give my thoughts. This will probably happen some time between 10-12 est.
After I do that I should look pretty town.

i realize the shit I've said has been pretty retarded but it's not like there was better shit to talk about that early in the game. two alpha towns figthing... what do you say about that..

The bolded indicates that you are already are up to speed. Because you know why people are voting you.
The red indicates that you are not up to speed.


Promising a case 5 hours from is boring. If you already know why people are voting you you probably have like 3 more pages to read.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 11:55 GMT
#395
The red is you saying you are not not up to speed.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 12:29 GMT
#396
im not up to speed. all i read was the past few posts in which people quoted what i said and voted for me
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 12:33 GMT
#397
On April 16 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
im not up to speed. all i read was the past few posts in which people quoted what i said and voted for me

You posted as last on page 14. Page 17 had quotes about you.

You are missing 15 & 16?
I had a good night of sleep.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 16 2014 12:48 GMT
#398
On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.


I´m certainly not gonna make up some half-assed read on someone just to look like town. Also what would give any indication that I´m forming reads except actually forming reads? If I am pointing out things I disagree with, you can assume that I´m gonna be looking at the one who posted it. I don´t think I need to mention that I´m trying to find scum every post or that I think someone is suspicious, if he made quite a few posts I disagree with.

On April 16 2014 16:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
and this

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On April 16 2014 05:55 mderg wrote:
Such a great day! I had more than 10 minutes of free time in total. Awesome.

...............

So difficult going through this. The one liners really hurt my reading comprehension.


"don't mind me!"

It´s more of a complain that in addition to me having almost no time people like you post one liners (often without quotes, so I have to go back reread some posts). It´s just a pain to filter people like this. You´re reading between lines that are not there. Especially the second part wasn´t meant to be defensive in any way.

On April 16 2014 18:37 Koshi wrote:
a guy has 10 minutes time to play the game. Reads thread. Quotes some posts he has ideas about and puts those ideas in thread.

That sums up the first 24 hours of the game for me. Except I had like 30 minutes to play.

On April 16 2014 19:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
you ask what's mderg's agenda. isn't the fact that he has no agenda pretty scummy? my whole point is that he has no agenda, that he's literally not trying to find mafia. he's make NO EFFORTS to find mafia, he doesn't even seem interested in that part of the game. idc about him lying or not, his 10 min statement doesn't tell me anything other than that he feels like he needs to apoligze for his lack of contributions.

The statement of barely having any time would explain the lack of agenda. Also I don´t feel like I need to apologize for my lack of contributions. I just wanted to complain about the world, this was the first place I could do that.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 12:53 GMT
#399
Try to put in some ideas on who is scum though. Even if you feel you are not informed enough or invested enough or w.e.

You have read things. Can you bring new things to the table?
I had a good night of sleep.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 16 2014 13:19 GMT
#400
On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points.

On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
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On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.

On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
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On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.


I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.


That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.

On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?

You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness.

Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.

On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:
Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it.

I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?


Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.


Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean


These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.

To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.
Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.



Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move.
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