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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 14:43 GMT
#421
On April 16 2014 23:35 OmniEulogy wrote:
the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. I'm also undecided about OTW and OO but they give me a better feeling than the others. given that I'd rather vote for Thrawn even if he is voting on Kush because to me Kush blends in more with the others making me doubt if we'll really lynch scum if we lynch him.


All the following posts are thrawn scumhunting. Most of the time with fresh ideas. I think the sum of these posts is more than what others did. There are a couple posts that I also find extemely townie. Small things. For example how he knows when OTW is online and that he was waiting to talk with him. Something like that looks very townie to me.

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.


On April 16 2014 16:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
That's part of it. But my main point is that there's no indication in that huge post that he's trying to solve the game. He quoted a bunch of stuff and said some decently reasonable things that don't have anything to do with his thoughts on alignments.

On April 16 2014 17:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:33 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: I can settle with lynching mderg because

1- He's still on my #2.
2- Lynching my #2 is better than a no lynch.
3- As this is a plurality lynch game, I'll vote for whoever gets highest amount of votes between mderg and cavalinho.


Why are you dropping omni from your lynch list?


On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)


On April 16 2014 18:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
to clarify

the part in parenthsis makes the post..... impossible?

if you take out that qualification at the end then the post reads as kush saying that both of "you" are town and that you should realize it and stfu. but the the stuff in parenthesis means that he doesn't know if "you" are town... so if he doesn't know if the two players are town then why is he telling them that they should realize that they are havnig a town vs town argument?


On April 16 2014 18:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 18:37 Koshi wrote:
a guy has 10 minutes time to play the game. Reads thread. Quotes some posts he has ideas about and puts those ideas in thread.

That's what I see.

What you are seeing is:
A guy is pretending to be away from thread because he is scum.


How do you know you are right?


hmm? that's not my point

my point is that he argues with a few posts and points out some logical errors or whatever

but then he doesn't have any conclusions based on that. and nowhere in his oneliners do I get the sense that he's thinking about alignment. he's only thinking about arguing with random posts.

theres' not one single thing in his post that indicates that he's even remotely concerned with people's alignments. that's why i want to lynch him.


On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.


On April 16 2014 19:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
koshi do you want to go after bigger game? i'm pretty willing to lynch kush.

i don't know about oe yet. i see why his posts are bad but i'm still not convinced he's scum. i want to talk to him first and i was hoping he'd show up in these last few hours (cuz he came on about the same time 24 hours ago) but he hasn't. so idk what to think of him just yet.


On April 16 2014 19:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
well I do sorta recognize that it's a shitty afk lynch. that's why I'm not pushing it so hard lol.

a few hours ago i read the thread, decided that mdgerg was scummy, OE is a bit scummy too and that he needed to be my first priority. I noticed that he started posted a little less than 24 hours ago so I thought i'd hang out in the thread and try to talk to him when he shows up. but he hasn't. reading his filter over and over doesn't do anything for me so I can't really progress that read.

you ask what's mderg's agenda. isn't the fact that he has no agenda pretty scummy? my whole point is that he has no agenda, that he's literally not trying to find mafia. he's make NO EFFORTS to find mafia, he doesn't even seem interested in that part of the game. idc about him lying or not, his 10 min statement doesn't tell me anything other than that he feels like he needs to apoligze for his lack of contributions.

so I'm wanting to look into OE but i';m conflicted about that, so I want to talk to him first. but he won't oblige me

i'm semi interested in lynching kush and i tried to talk to you about that but you half-agreed with me then decided the conversation was useless.

so i don't know what you expect from me, considering all of the above

I had a good night of sleep.
OneThousandWords
Profile Joined April 2014
Barbados123 Posts
April 16 2014 14:54 GMT
#422
On April 16 2014 19:22 Koshi wrote:
OneThousandWords
Did absolutely NOTHING.

Went in an argument with me defending the fact that skanjab HAS TO CLAIM RB OR IS MAFIA ON D2 while OTW himself didn't believe the Vig claim.

Then he made some halfassed case on Cavalinho which simply isn't enough for a smurf. Even if Cavalinho is suspicious, it doesn't change the fact OTW has done nothing. Just some silly quotes enabling him to fly under radar.


This is categorically false. Where do I state that I don't believe he could be vig? Also, I've seen the word smurf thrown around. If it's used in the same way as MOBA games then you're wrong, I was invited here by a friend from another mafia site.

Here is wherein the real problem lies. All the people that you seemingly "like" for things that they have done have quite simply started from posts that I have made.

Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 14:57 GMT
#423
I know thrawn better than anyone and I'm telling you he's town on tone alone.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 14:58 GMT
#424
I KNOW THAN BETTER THAN HIS PARENTS OR HIS OWN SELF
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
OneThousandWords
Profile Joined April 2014
Barbados123 Posts
April 16 2014 15:02 GMT
#425
On April 16 2014 23:57 kushm4sta wrote:
I know thrawn better than anyone and I'm telling you he's town on tone alone.


Can you explain this better please?
Pictures speak a thousand words!
OneThousandWords
Profile Joined April 2014
Barbados123 Posts
April 16 2014 15:03 GMT
#426
Is there an easy way to check people's past games? I can trawl through people's posting profiles but it seems kind of limited.
Pictures speak a thousand words!
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 15:06 GMT
#427
You are essentially scum reading thrawn for not knowing who scum is.

Can I explain the tonal difference? not really.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
OneThousandWords
Profile Joined April 2014
Barbados123 Posts
April 16 2014 15:09 GMT
#428
Also, Kush, there are a lot of accusation flying your way from people:

On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)

On April 16 2014 18:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
to clarify

the part in parenthsis makes the post..... impossible?

if you take out that qualification at the end then the post reads as kush saying that both of "you" are town and that you should realize it and stfu. but the the stuff in parenthesis means that he doesn't know if "you" are town... so if he doesn't know if the two players are town then why is he telling them that they should realize that they are havnig a town vs town argument?

On April 16 2014 18:16 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 16 2014 18:09 Koshi wrote:
But here he is so clueless. How can he know we will see each other as town when he doesn't know we are town?


yeah that's what i'm getting at. the mindset needed to make that post isn't really possible?

The first part of sentence can only be made if Kush knows we are both town. But the parenthesis contradicts that.

Do you know if RB can block scum NK?



What do you have to say to them? To everyone else it seems you are making statements that you can't know unless you have extra information. I want to hear your own reasoning for them.
Pictures speak a thousand words!
OneThousandWords
Profile Joined April 2014
Barbados123 Posts
April 16 2014 15:11 GMT
#429
On April 17 2014 00:06 kushm4sta wrote:
You are essentially scum reading thrawn for not knowing who scum is.

Can I explain the tonal difference? not really.


Not really, his is playing in a way that is flavour of the month lynching. He also scum reads the person (me) that he shouldn't be if he had read the thread properly because his entire point on his main scum read (mderg) is the point that I originally raised. It shows that he is not reading people, yet still calling them scum when their names pop up.
Pictures speak a thousand words!
OneThousandWords
Profile Joined April 2014
Barbados123 Posts
April 16 2014 15:18 GMT
#430
Is FirmTofu also generally a lurky player? His only posts in the game so far have been a response to Koshi where he drew no conclusions (Cavalinho pointed this out - I'm liking him more now) after he had promised to be a lot more active.
Pictures speak a thousand words!
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 15:19 GMT
#431
People are scumreading me for having extra information.

Stuff like calling out a fight between alpha towns etc.
I dont stick by those reads at all. Yes stuff like that are commonly thought to be scummy. That's partially why Im saying it. To let you know I'm comfortable with looking scummy.
Also partially to keep it real. That's what I''m thinking so that's what I'm saying.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 15:30 GMT
#432
This just in:
OTW says skanjab can be mafia while at the same time OTW believes skanjab is vig.

I would lynch him for that alone.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 15:31 GMT
#433
omg kosih, it's almost as if he doesn't know which it is so hes putting forward both possibilities!
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 15:33 GMT
#434
might be hard to understand what i meant there without knowing my tone of voice.
i was making fun of koshi for scumreading someone for doing something that comes natural to town.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 15:33 GMT
#435
Indeed. So his defense that he believes the claimis bullshit. He doesnt believe the claim at all. He only believes it is possible.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 15:35 GMT
#436
he believes but still acknowledges the possibility that skan is scum
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 15:37 GMT
#437
On April 17 2014 00:35 kushm4sta wrote:
he believes but still acknowledges the possibility that skan is scum

Then you dont believe the claim. Are you dense?

"I believe that you claimed vig. But you could also be scum"

How???
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 15:38 GMT
#438
You cant believe a claim a and at the same time believe the guy is still vt or scum. Then you dont believe the claim.

But the point I make is that OTW says that skanjab needs to claim rb or is scum. Why is that???????
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 15:45 GMT
#439
Koshi, as town, we are in a state of uncertainty. We can think a claim is genuine or not. But we can never be 100% certain. An acknowledgement of that inherent state of uncertainty is not scummy.

OTW was thinking ahead about possible night action scenarios. You can't scum read him for his thoughts on that kind of shit, unless they are TOO right, which they aren't.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#440
Kush.
1 more time.
OTW pushed a idea in the thread that skanjab is scum for x. While x was a false reason.

I corrected otw and said x was a bad reason. OTW doesnt agree.

That also summed up otw filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
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