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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
April 16 2014 15:59 GMT
#441
On April 16 2014 23:30 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 23:19 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 16 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:
On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points.

On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

(1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.

On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.


I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.


(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.

On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?

You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness.

(3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.

On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:
Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it.

I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this:
On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?


On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.


On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean


These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.

(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.

(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.



Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move.


Well, this is a lovely OMGUS.
(1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it.
(2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie.
(3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town.
(4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously.
(5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous.
You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense.

(1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it.
(2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read.
(3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any.
(4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum.
(5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with.

Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies.

(1) I don't wanna.
(2) No, that's incorrect. I had given a read on you, omni and kush.
(3) In the post where I said that I agreed that your opening paragraph post was scummy, due to you not scumhunting but instead feigning contribution by making a huge post about irrelevant things.

I think I missed something, Omni, why is thrawn scum?

(1) So you´re purposefully withholding information?
(2) Before you made the post I quoted you had only given a read on omni. Then you based the read on me on the fact that I haven´t done active scumhunting even though you also didn´t actively hunt scum before that
(3) It wasn´t you who brought in the "proofs", it was thrawn. You only rephrased what he said. More importantly those aren´t proofs because not doing anything particularly townie in the first 24 hours is not proof of being scum.


(1) Yes
(2) At the time of your post, I had given reads on omni, you, and kush, go back and read.
(3) Thats not the just of the points on you. Agreeing with someone's points and elaborating is 'proofs'.

Koshi: No, I'm not
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 16:04 GMT
#442
To be fair, I think something would be more wrong with OTW if he wasn't considering both possibilities for Skan. It's not like claiming vig immediately makes you town no matter what you do for the rest of the game even if you did believe the claim at first. I think it's reasonable to still suspect him.

I mean opinions can change on something that nobody can actually say is true/false based on how he behaves afterwards.
which is also something I was thinking at the time he claimed but chose not to say because I wanted to see how Skan would continue to act.
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
April 16 2014 16:07 GMT
#443
Yeah that^ I don't know why Koshi is overreacting so much when OTW was just accounting for both possibilities. I think he misinterpreted his post.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 16 2014 16:10 GMT
#444
On April 17 2014 00:59 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 23:30 mderg wrote:
On April 16 2014 23:19 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 16 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:
On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points.

On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

(1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.

On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.


I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.


(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.

On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?

You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness.

(3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.

On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:
Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it.

I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this:
On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?


On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.


On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean


These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.

(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.

(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.



Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move.


Well, this is a lovely OMGUS.
(1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it.
(2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie.
(3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town.
(4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously.
(5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous.
You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense.

(1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it.
(2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read.
(3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any.
(4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum.
(5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with.

Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies.

(1) I don't wanna.
(2) No, that's incorrect. I had given a read on you, omni and kush.
(3) In the post where I said that I agreed that your opening paragraph post was scummy, due to you not scumhunting but instead feigning contribution by making a huge post about irrelevant things.

I think I missed something, Omni, why is thrawn scum?

(1) So you´re purposefully withholding information?
(2) Before you made the post I quoted you had only given a read on omni. Then you based the read on me on the fact that I haven´t done active scumhunting even though you also didn´t actively hunt scum before that
(3) It wasn´t you who brought in the "proofs", it was thrawn. You only rephrased what he said. More importantly those aren´t proofs because not doing anything particularly townie in the first 24 hours is not proof of being scum.


(1) Yes
(2) At the time of your post, I had given reads on omni, you, and kush, go back and read.
(3) Thats not the just of the points on you. Agreeing with someone's points and elaborating is 'proofs'.

Koshi: No, I'm not

(2) I wasn´t talking about the time of my post. I meant at the time of this post:
On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.


I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.



(3) You elaborated and rephrased



On April 17 2014 00:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 00:35 kushm4sta wrote:
he believes but still acknowledges the possibility that skan is scum

Then you dont believe the claim. Are you dense?

"I believe that you claimed vig. But you could also be scum"

How???

This all comes down to the meaning of "believe" imo it´s very possible to believe in something being the case while considering the possibility that it might be wrong.
An example: I believe that god doesn´t exist but I can´t say for sure that god doesn´t exist.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:12 GMT
#445
koshi I dont see where OTW pushes the idea that skanjab is scum.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:15 GMT
#446
On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.

Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...


There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK):

1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on.
2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information.
3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff.



DO YOU SEE THE RED PART? THAT PART IS BULLSHIT. Here OTW puts the idea in thread that it is impossible for Skan that he needs to be RB because he claimed. HOWEVER, OTW doesn't believe that Skan is vig. THE FACT THAT HE DOESN'T believe he is VIG is because he says skan can be VT, Vig or scum.

Why can't scum believe that skanjab is not a vig?


This is correct ↓
On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.

Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...


There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK):

1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he could draws a RB and real roles can get on.
2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information.
3) He is mafia.

Something I said from the fucking start and I don't know why we are still discussing this. OTW should just agree with me because I am right and he is wrong and start doing some useful things.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:15 GMT
#447
Why do I always change my sentence in the middle of my sentence. So strange.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:16 GMT
#448
That is not "pushing" an idea on the thread. That is laying out three possibilities.

You are overreacting hugely koshi.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:18 GMT
#449
On April 17 2014 01:16 kushm4sta wrote:
That is not "pushing" an idea on the thread. That is laying out three possibilities.

You are overreacting hugely koshi.

Roles kush can have this game:
1) mafia goon
2) mafia gf
3) mafia rb
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:18 GMT
#450
##unvote
##vote: kushm4sta
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:19 GMT
#451
The joke with that post is that I lay out 3 possibilities but they aren't the only 3 and I am making it seem that it is impossible that Kush is just town.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:20 GMT
#452
koshi did the power rank go to your head or something lol..
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:22 GMT
#453
You are bleeding town Kush.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:24 GMT
#454
Your comparison is wrong. Here is a better one:

1 kush is blue
2 kush is green
3 kush is scum

One of those must be true. I think it's either 1 or 2.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:27 GMT
#455
Pls explain to me how skanjab has the RB 100% on him after his claim that nobody believed. OTW his 3 possibilities all have skanjab being RB.


If you can't not all options are listed by OTW.
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:30 GMT
#456
So OTW said something incorrect regarding mechanics. How does that make him scummy?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:32 GMT
#457
right now I have no idea who we should lynch. that's not good.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:36 GMT
#458
On April 17 2014 01:30 kushm4sta wrote:
So OTW said something incorrect regarding mechanics. How does that make him scummy?

OTW said something incorrect.

The only point I want to make.

I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 16 2014 16:39 GMT
#459
You're not saying he's scummy for it ?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 16 2014 16:43 GMT
#460
I am saying he is scummy for not accepting that he made a mistake and that it was the only thing in his filter and some half baked case on Cavalinho.

Then he came back and still was harping on the fact he didn't make a mistake while he did. Changing his story to the fact that he never said he couldn't see the vig claim being true. Which is bullshit. That wasn't the point.

I actually forgot the rest he wrote. But I voted before he came back.
I had a good night of sleep.
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