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I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night.
Quick couple of things
Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages.
I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around)
My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW.
Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for.
Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints.
Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg.
To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets.
The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game.
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On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move.
Well, this is a lovely OMGUS.
(1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it.
(2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie.
(3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town.
(4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously.
(5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous.
You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense.
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@Skan while I agree with some of your points on that case, I still think your vote on mderg / kush with no explanation is pretty bad. Especially mderg at the time that it happened.
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EBWOP: posted early T.T
do you (Skan) still believe mderg is scum after his case / defense vs the other lurkers in the game who have contributed less.
Personally I still feel like an mderg lynch is a bad direction for us to go in D1
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I did give an explanation omni, on both mderg and kush. I think mderg is more likely scum after his attack on me, his reasoning was just wrong, and he just called me scum for terrible reasons.
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EBWOP: My vote on mderg was more of a pressure thing though, hence the few reasons.
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On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move. Well, this is a lovely OMGUS. (1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it. (2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie. (3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town. (4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously. (5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous. You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense.
(1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it.
(2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read.
(3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any.
(4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum.
(5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with.
Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies.
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OmniEulogy,
Why have you still said nothing on Kush?
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VOTE COUNT:
Alakaslam (0): thrawn2112
OmniEulogy (0): Djagulingu, Koshi
Djagulingu (0): OmniEulogy
mderg (2): thrawn2112, Djagulingu, Skanjab1s, Koshi
kushm4sta (2): Skanjab1s, thrawn2112
thrawn2112 (1): OmniEulogy
Not Voting (7): Alakaslam, Cavalinho, mderg, ObviousOne, kushm4sta, OneThousandWords, FirmTofu
Lynch is in 14 hours. Voting is mandatory.
Currently no one is set to be lynched!
If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it.
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On April 16 2014 23:03 Koshi wrote:
OmniEulogy,
Why have you still said nothing on Kush?
oh sorry, I had deleted a bit from my first post because while I was writing it mderg had posted and didn't notice.
I think Kush multiple times has seemed like he knew the alignments of players, or messed around like he knew he did, I definitely understand why people would vote to lynch him D1 due to shit like
"i realize the shit I've said has been pretty retarded but it's not like there was better shit to talk about that early in the game. two alpha towns figthing... what do you say about that.."
and that seems to be the extent of most of his posts really. I'll keep my vote on thrawn though as I see him more likely as mafia than kush currently.
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EBWOP: I hadn't noticed mderg's post, had to revise mine when I did.
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On April 16 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move. Well, this is a lovely OMGUS. (1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it. (2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie. (3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town. (4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously. (5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous. You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense. (1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it. (2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read. (3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any. (4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum. (5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with. Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies.
(1) I don't wanna.
(2) No, that's incorrect. I had given a read on you, omni and kush.
(3) In the post where I said that I agreed that your opening paragraph post was scummy, due to you not scumhunting but instead feigning contribution by making a huge post about irrelevant things.
I think I missed something, Omni, why is thrawn scum?
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The good news is that Skanjab and mderg are not both mafia. I think both could be town actually and I have 0 interest to lynch into them today.
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his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.
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##unvote
##vote: OneThousandWords
This one or Kush.
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On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.
I gave thrawn townie points for noticing OTW and Kush scummy points.
The gigantic problem is that he didn't bring it to the thread till I asked. But I think he is trying to solve the game, just not trying to help the thread. Or he is playing scum pretty well.
Omni, if Kush and thrawn are your biggest scumreads. Why are you voting thrawn who started the wagon on Kush? Is he bussing or is Kush town?
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On April 16 2014 23:19 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move. Well, this is a lovely OMGUS. (1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it. (2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie. (3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town. (4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously. (5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous. You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense. (1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it. (2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read. (3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any. (4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum. (5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with. Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies. (1) I don't wanna. (2) No, that's incorrect. I had given a read on you, omni and kush. (3) In the post where I said that I agreed that your opening paragraph post was scummy, due to you not scumhunting but instead feigning contribution by making a huge post about irrelevant things. I think I missed something, Omni, why is thrawn scum?
(1) So you´re purposefully withholding information?
(2) Before you made the post I quoted you had only given a read on omni. Then you based the read on me on the fact that I haven´t done active scumhunting even though you also didn´t actively hunt scum before that
(3) It wasn´t you who brought in the "proofs", it was thrawn. You only rephrased what he said. More importantly those aren´t proofs because not doing anything particularly townie in the first 24 hours is not proof of being scum.
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About point (1):
Will you give the answer before the end of N1 skanjab?
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the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. I'm also undecided about OTW and OO but they give me a better feeling than the others. given that I'd rather vote for Thrawn even if he is voting on Kush because to me Kush blends in more with the others making me doubt if we'll really lynch scum if we lynch him.
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Kochi can you chill the fuck out? I don't get why you went crazy when people started voting mberg.
You have to realize this game is half noobs. If they got scum and came into the game late, it's very hard for them to look town.
Mberg or ft are both very possibly scum.
Kochi acting weird.
Oo not looking townie.
More coming within the next few hours.
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