So... I made this, because why not. I'm not the greatest of writers and it's my first attempt, so please forgive me.
As for criteria - I took W/L as my baseline, and then used my own subjective judgement on top of this to give me an order.
Power Rank Q1 2014
Here goes...
1.Holyflare the Insane To my horror, I discovered that Holy had a 6-0 record in the period, with wins as both mafia and town. Naturally I wanted to put myself above him anyway due to style points, but sadly I couldn’t. Holyflare bested me in my only loss of the period, so in a direct head-to-head, he takes it. From yolo bussing his team-mate in Cultured and riding it out to an endgame lylo to insanely but correctly tunnelling DP in Titanic III, he’s rode himself to a flawless record.
2.marvellosity One bad loss in Survivor, but a bunch of other crushing performances, including a sweet mafia victory in an all-star town in Shadow. #2 like a boss, top 2 GB represent.
3.Koshi the qtpie With a win as mafia and a bunch of strong town performances with good reads, Koshi gets the number three spot for consistency. Makes good calls, fun to play with, wins a lot - what more can anyone ask for?
4.raynpelikoneet Played the most games over the period, with a pretty decent record. Always plays decently as scum and puts up a good fight, maybe he’d be higher if he didn’t go completely nuts every now and then. But catches enough mafia to make him an asset and worthy of a pretty sweet power ranking after all.
5.Artanis[XP] Artanis loathes playing mafia but managed to completely swizzle town in I’m a Cop You Idiot II, which is almost enough alone to include him on here. Some really solid games as town too, including a poetic woofing dog, means he secures his place.
6.suki One of our new players, who always tries her best. Palmar decided to shoot her in Default Suspicions for no particular reason, yet she’s managed to rack up a 4-0 record in the period, with solid performances in all her games. Nice.
7.IAmRobik Another new dude. Not many games yet, but solid reads on his fellow DMers helped bring about victory in Foundation Mafia. And he followed this up by making flawless reads in Heavyweight Championships II. Watch this space?
8.Palmar the ass An old hat back in the ring. Christened as “ass” in PYP: Fisticuffs, he’s pushed decent day 1 lynches as town (geript in Survivor, Toad in Default Suspicion) while putting in a strong scum performance in Titanic III, only let down by his team-mates. Losses sprinkled in there though, none more than getting lynched day 1 as mafia in Heavyweight Championship II, keeping his ranking down.
9.thrawn2112 So according to my records thrawn has played quite a bit and is on a run of 4 consecutive wins, so he must be doing something right. Usually more insightful than he gives himself credit for, he managed to turn around a sticky situation in Heavyweight Champs II and avoid the lynch from a pretty bad spot. Otherwise just generally consistent play gets him a spot here.
10.Oatsmaster Similar to rayn, Oats has played a large number of games in the period, and has accumulated a pretty nice W/L of 6-3 in that time. Much of the time forgettable or perhaps not so useful, Oats had a great game in Foundation, basically nailing all the mafia and forcing scum to dispose of him early on. For that performance and a good overall record, he gets my last spot.
Bloopers Vivax and JarjarDrinks have the dubious honour of being the two players with an 0-3 record in the period. With both in action at the moment, let’s see if they can end their 2014 jinx...
Kush should be honorable mention! He doesn't get enough props for his improving (from what i've heard) town play, ever since I stepped in with him it's been better than what everybody says. I think he has a pretty decent record too, losing in default suspicions as mafia but winning as town in normal mini mafia, tl LXIV restart and i dont know besides that.
Neato. Suki really needs to get back. Such a promising player. Also feel like Kita deserved at least one of the lower spots. I dunno how much he's played in Q1 but a 28-game streak of not getting lynched as town is worth something.
well apparently kitawizard is able to conjure that up in no time.
people shouldn't get too hung up on mafia statistics though, especially not over such a short period of time. at best it's a very unreliable (but fun) indicator of skill.
On April 01 2014 23:24 prplhz wrote: well apparently kitawizard is able to conjure that up in no time.
people shouldn't get too hung up on mafia statistics though, especially not over such a short period of time. at best it's a very unreliable (but fun) indicator of skill.
win% is pretty useless all the way down.
Getting killed by mafia, people listening to you, not getting lynched, voting for mafia and helping people to solve the game are good qualities for townies. Not getting lynched pretty good as mafia.
On April 01 2014 23:42 kitaman27 wrote: A March Madness style bracket for who you would most want on your team might be fun, but I wouldn't want to boost certain players egos too much.
First we would need to find a $1 billion sponsor for a perfect bracket.
Who I'd want on a scum team and on a town team would differ though.
On April 01 2014 23:24 prplhz wrote: well apparently kitawizard is able to conjure that up in no time.
people shouldn't get too hung up on mafia statistics though, especially not over such a short period of time. at best it's a very unreliable (but fun) indicator of skill.
win% is pretty useless all the way down.
Getting killed by mafia, people listening to you, not getting lynched, voting for mafia and helping people to solve the game are good qualities for townies. Not getting lynched pretty good as mafia.
don't think hit rate is reliable either (because of docs/jailers making scum hit middle-of-the-road-players instead of town gods)
voting patterns in unreliable because some people vote all over the place just as part of their play.
a naïve final vote count analysis is unreliable because single votes on scum can't be said to be that much better than just getting rid of disruptive townies. especially with majority lynches and small lynch candidate pools. but i think that a thorough analysis of final vote counts might be the best single indicator, there's also a lot more data here (several vote counts for each game) and mathematical mafia ranking has precious little information to go by (compared to games like starcraft, dota, chess).
people listening to you isn't necessarily a good thing (if you're bad) and along with "helping to solve the game" is pretty impossible to measure. of course you're doing good if you're helping to solve the game but since those two pretty much mean the same it's impossible to say that one indicates the other.
not getting lynched is again just a somewhat unreliable indicator for scum, you can easily be a vocal scum who ruins a couple of days for town and then gets lynched who is playing a lot better than your lurking scum buddies who just cruise to victory in the chaos.
anyway, what i'm getting at is that making a mathematical ELO/TrueSkill inspired ranking for mafia is really hard and at best very unreliable because there's very little information available and i think it's all pretty unreliable.
power ranks are fun, easier to make (!!!), and likely to be a lot more accurate.
On April 01 2014 23:38 marvellosity wrote: prplhz was 3-0 and he didn't get on the list :p
yea wtf don't even want to know what oats did to get that #10 ahead of me. did he played well or what? that's cheating.
On April 02 2014 03:55 Killing wrote: Day 20: Robert has seemed to convince TL players that he is good. Not sure how long this will last. Will keep log updated
As soon as I saw your name as the last poster, I knew there was gonna be some mad hate incoming.
Hey Joey, were you town last night? ^_^
EDIT: Don't fret Joey, I'm called bad and annoying way more often than I'm called good.
Cool. Why W-L though? Team stats seem like a bad way to measure individual skill. It'd be like ranking LeGarrette Blount ahead of Adrian Peterson because New England went 13-5 last year and Minnesota went 5-10-1.
On April 02 2014 04:41 Eden1892 wrote: Cool. Why W-L though? Team stats seem like a bad way to measure individual skill. It'd be like ranking LeGarrette Blount ahead of Adrian Peterson because New England went 13-5 last year and Minnesota went 5-10-1.
Well, mafia is pretty difficult to objectively rank. So W/L is a good place to start. Then there's my sophisticated expert opinion on top of that.
doens't grush or billmurray or someone have the highest winrate on tlmafia? Over long periods of time, not getting NK gets you a higher winrate than playing well.
On April 02 2014 05:03 kushm4sta wrote: doens't grush or billmurray or someone have the highest winrate on tlmafia? Over long periods of time, not getting NK gets you a higher winrate than playing well.
wat
How would not being nightkilled have any positive effect on their winrate?
On April 02 2014 07:53 Eden1892 wrote: if you're a net contributor to your team's victories, then not being nightkilled should translate to more victories
Yes, but that has nothing to do with what Kush said.
On April 02 2014 03:13 Eden1892 wrote: is this an actual regular power ranking or a 1-time thing
i'm kinda interested
It is a power ranking for Q1 2014. Top is based on win% and bottom is based on who marv likes but top as well.
Marv is a bottom though so he'll rate tops higher.
I just looked up "being a bottom" in the urban dictionary. I loled. I also looked it up because I read it somewhere else just now and I was "dafuq second time somebody writes this today"
On April 02 2014 03:13 Eden1892 wrote: is this an actual regular power ranking or a 1-time thing
i'm kinda interested
It is a power ranking for Q1 2014. Top is based on win% and bottom is based on who marv likes but top as well.
Marv is a bottom though so he'll rate tops higher.
I just looked up "being a bottom" in the urban dictionary. I loled. I also looked it up because I read it somewhere else just now and I was "dafuq second time somebody writes this today"
On April 02 2014 07:53 Eden1892 wrote: if you're a net contributor to your team's victories, then not being nightkilled should translate to more victories
Yes, but that has nothing to do with what Kush said.
IT HAS LITERALLY EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID.
On April 02 2014 07:53 Eden1892 wrote: if you're a net contributor to your team's victories, then not being nightkilled should translate to more victories
Yes, but that has nothing to do with what Kush said.
it answered the question you were asking, did it not?
On April 02 2014 07:53 Eden1892 wrote: if you're a net contributor to your team's victories, then not being nightkilled should translate to more victories
Yes, but that has nothing to do with what Kush said.
it answered the question you were asking, did it not?
No, because the point of what Kush said is that BM and grush aren't net contributors to their team's victory. He said your winrate gets better by not being nightkilled because you are playing badly.
jat, playing bad does increase your winrate. Playing bad makes you less likely to get nk. Not getting nk increases your winrate. Therefore playing bad increases your winrate.
On April 03 2014 03:51 kushm4sta wrote: jat, playing bad does increase your winrate. Playing bad makes you less likely to get nk. Not getting nk increases your winrate. Therefore playing bad increases your winrate.
Flat out not true. I almost never get NKed and my winrate is still around 50% and always has been. Not getting NKed has absolutely nothing to do with how much you win or don't.
On April 03 2014 05:09 kushm4sta wrote: yes it really does. The only reason your experience contradicts that is because the sample size is too small.
I'm sure my own experience is not the only one. You think all the other people too terrible to get NKed all have high winrates? Like...the fundamentall flaw in your argument is saying that not getting NKed means you are more likely to win, when that is simply not the case. Not getting NKed means you are terrible--->means scum leave you alive because you are more likely to fuck up in LYLO, means you are more likely to LOSE if you are alive near the end of the game.
Up until VERY recently, look at how many times scum correctly did not nightkill Oats, for example.
As someone who used to have the highest town night kill rate in tl mafia, 82% (14/17 before my return). I got night killed a lot because I simply acted far to townie early in the game, getting me killed very early. This meant that I had a very little impact on the game.
For a high impact town player, It's much better to play scummily in order to survive for a long time so you can spread your impact throughout the game. A classic example of this is chez, who has convinced a large portion of TL mafia that he isn't a threat.
On April 03 2014 05:25 LSB wrote: What Kushm4sta is saying is very true in a sense.
As someone who used to have the highest town night kill rate in tl mafia, 82% (14/17 before my return). I got night killed a lot because I simply acted far to townie early in the game, getting me killed very early. This meant that I had a very little impact on the game.
For a high impact town player, It's much better to play scummily in order to survive for a long time so you can spread your impact throughout the game. A classic example of this is chez, who has convinced a large portion of TL mafia that he isn't a threat.
LSB this doesn't work. The people who have the highest impact in games are almost always those who look the towniest and can lead. See marv, Rayn, etc. Their early deaths in games may or may not define the outcome of the games in which they play, but look at the games in which you have multiple town threats in recent times. There is no way for scum to eliminate all of the strong town, hence it does not matter who gets NKed early or not because somebody will pick up the slack. Kush's/your case has a little merit to it, but only under very specific circumstances (read: nobody to lead town/no good players), and even then if the aforementioned is true, it is likely scum will win as there is nobody to lead.
There are many things you can do that makes you seem scummy while still assisting town in lynching mafia. For example maintaining suspicion on yourself, as long as mafia thinks they might be able to lynch you, they are less likely to kill you.
Now a days with games being smaller and minis being prefered, getting killed early means you can have a big impact in the game. However it would be near impossible for larger setups if you get policy killed night one or two.
On April 03 2014 05:29 LSB wrote: There are many things you can do that makes you seem scummy while still assisting town in lynching mafia. For example maintaining suspicion on yourself, as long as mafia thinks they might be able to lynch you, they are less likely to kill you.
Now a days with games being smaller and minis being prefered, getting killed early means you can have a big impact in the game. However it would be near impossible for larger setups if you get policy killed night one or two.
And this is one of the reasons why town winrate is so high right now, I think. Minis seem to favour town overall. Same people playing in most of these games means people become easier to read. Marv/Rayn/HF factor.
Honestly until something in the TL meta changes I may avoid minis entirely as things look to be growing a bit stale.
On April 03 2014 05:29 LSB wrote: There are many things you can do that makes you seem scummy while still assisting town in lynching mafia. For example maintaining suspicion on yourself, as long as mafia thinks they might be able to lynch you, they are less likely to kill you.
Now a days with games being smaller and minis being prefered, getting killed early means you can have a big impact in the game. However it would be near impossible for larger setups if you get policy killed night one or two.
I'm most likely to live in large setups if i play really townie and get medic protection if people suspect me then i won't get protected and mafia will get a free hit on me because i will not get lynched if i am town, period
On April 03 2014 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly until something in the TL meta changes I may avoid minis entirely as things look to be growing a bit stale.
I really like big games. Been waiting on the next numbered game a while :x
On April 03 2014 05:29 LSB wrote: There are many things you can do that makes you seem scummy while still assisting town in lynching mafia. For example maintaining suspicion on yourself, as long as mafia thinks they might be able to lynch you, they are less likely to kill you.
Now a days with games being smaller and minis being prefered, getting killed early means you can have a big impact in the game. However it would be near impossible for larger setups if you get policy killed night one or two.
I'm most likely to live in large setups if i play really townie and get medic protection if people suspect me then i won't get protected and mafia will get a free hit on me because i will not get lynched if i am town, period
On April 03 2014 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly until something in the TL meta changes I may avoid minis entirely as things look to be growing a bit stale.
I really like big games. Been waiting on the next numbered game a while :x
I haven't experienced a large game recently, but generally on night one in a large game, a competent mafia will double or triple stack important town threats. It isn't worth the risk single stacking a town target, especially if there are PMs involved.
On April 03 2014 03:51 kushm4sta wrote: jat, playing bad does increase your winrate. Playing bad makes you less likely to get nk. Not getting nk increases your winrate. Therefore playing bad increases your winrate.
The bolded is where you just randomly assume something that isn't true in the slightest.
On April 03 2014 05:09 kushm4sta wrote: yes it really does. The only reason your experience contradicts that is because the sample size is too small.
I'm sure my own experience is not the only one. You think all the other people too terrible to get NKed all have high winrates? Like...the fundamentall flaw in your argument is saying that not getting NKed means you are more likely to win, when that is simply not the case. Not getting NKed means you are terrible--->means scum leave you alive because you are more likely to fuck up in LYLO, means you are more likely to LOSE if you are alive near the end of the game.
Up until VERY recently, look at how many times scum correctly did not nightkill Oats, for example.
On April 03 2014 05:09 kushm4sta wrote: yes it really does. The only reason your experience contradicts that is because the sample size is too small.
I'm sure my own experience is not the only one. You think all the other people too terrible to get NKed all have high winrates? Like...the fundamentall flaw in your argument is saying that not getting NKed means you are more likely to win, when that is simply not the case. Not getting NKed means you are terrible--->means scum leave you alive because you are more likely to fuck up in LYLO, means you are more likely to LOSE if you are alive near the end of the game.
Up until VERY recently, look at how many times scum correctly did not nightkill Oats, for example.
I fucked up in Lylo like one time.
I'm pretty sure it's been at least twice but I'm too lazy to go look it up. Be content with the fact that you absolutely fucking crushed me at HS. And you're on the rankings list and I'm not.
I would say marv is a better player. A town of marv's would have a better chance of finding scum than a town of BMs. yet marv has 60 percent and so does BM.
Scum winrate does represent skill. Town winrate does not. People have looked at win rates over huge sample sizes at mafiascum.net. These are not my opinions. They are facts implicit to forum mafia.
As for criteria - I took W/L as my baseline, and then used my own subjective judgement on top of this to give me an order.
Power Rank Q1 2014
2.marvellosity One bad loss in Survivor, but a bunch of other crushing performances, including a sweet mafia victory in an all-star town in Shadow. #2 like a boss, top 2 GB represent.
I don't know anyone on that list because it's been so long since I played mafia. But if we're being serious here Ace and Ver were the mafia gods a few years ago.
In my first game I got put on mafia, Ver successfully (in hind sight) pinned down more than half the blues after the first day, I shit you not, before he got vigi'd just on reputation. He served the game on a silver platter after ONE day of action.
I've never seen Ver play because he does not play. Ace is good but falls for some traps as both alignments aswell.
There is not really a decent way to determine someone's "skill level" by "numbers" like this. For example the power rank says Holyflare is the best player on TL at that time. Maybe, maybe not. It's all subjective and especially if you have not played in a long time (talking to you ketomai ^^) of course you don't know who's on the list.
On June 05 2014 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I've never seen Ver play because he does not play. Ace is good but falls for some traps as both alignments aswell.
There is not really a decent way to determine someone's "skill level" by "numbers" like this. For example the power rank says Holyflare is the best player on TL at that time. Maybe, maybe not. It's all subjective and especially if you have not played in a long time (talking to you ketomai ^^) of course you don't know who's on the list.
Anyways i think this whole power rank sucks ass.
Given it introduces itself by saying it's based on w/l and also subjectivity, i'm not exactly sure what or why you're saying whatever you're saying o.o
On June 05 2014 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I've never seen Ver play because he does not play. Ace is good but falls for some traps as both alignments aswell.
There is not really a decent way to determine someone's "skill level" by "numbers" like this. For example the power rank says Holyflare is the best player on TL at that time. Maybe, maybe not. It's all subjective and especially if you have not played in a long time (talking to you ketomai ^^) of course you don't know who's on the list.
Anyways i think this whole power rank sucks ass.
Given it introduces itself by saying it's based on w/l and also subjectivity, i'm not exactly sure what or why you're saying whatever you're saying o.o
You are right. I'll stfu, i haven't even read this thread before now. ^^
If anyone wants to submit me names from the past 3-6 months who've played at least 3 games that you've been impressed with (and maybe a sentence on why), that would be good. Kinda feel in the mood for resurrecting this finally. Any number of names fine too.
You could of did whatever you want you were the town mayor. Hf thought I was a third party not even mafia. Me not doing anything on day 1is a pretty big town tell and im shocked you guys dont know this. I pretty much always try super hard as mafia day1
Well I was afk that day because I couldnt imagine you guys lynching me for no reason when I had koshi kita ritoky saying I was town. Mayor setups kind of boring because if your someone like me you have absolutely no say in what happens so ya im not gonna be around.
On April 09 2015 05:49 sicklucker wrote: You could of did whatever you want you were the town mayor. Hf thought I was a third party not even mafia. Me not doing anything on day 1is a pretty big town tell and im shocked you guys dont know this. I pretty much always try super hard as mafia day1
I happen to know otherwise but I have literally 0 interest in arguing with you about it. People thought you were scummy and therefore voted HF to kill you. I was elected accidentally instead so I killed you. You weren't towny -> people thought you were scum. Get over it . End of discussion.
On April 09 2015 05:49 sicklucker wrote: You could of did whatever you want you were the town mayor. Hf thought I was a third party not even mafia. Me not doing anything on day 1is a pretty big town tell and im shocked you guys dont know this. I pretty much always try super hard as mafia day1
Aren't you always the one that pushes the complete opposite of this every single game????
"guys doing nothing is my mafia meta!"
I also didn't think anything about you i just wanted to get mayor to lynch bh and you were the middle ground for everyone to vote me in the game.
Probably toad/kind of reluctantly rayn after what he did in guardians but xxx + that game he was town was pretty good. Ummmmmm was that game with you and artanis and stuff this quarter? (imperial?)
All you have to do is make a list of 10 players poorly.. to presure marv to make a better one. Here ill start
1. Sicklukcer (duh) 2. hf - Lucky motherfucker tho 3. palmer - sickluckers famous wipping boy 4 dandred -That dude people respect now for some reason 5 toad -the guy who makes bad claims and wins 6 Marv - the guy who talks alot 7 FF - I mean why not? numbers dont lie 8 Jat - Wow were digging deep here boys 9 Vivax - At least you always know what his alignment is in everygame 10 Rstoulin - Im not sure why because I never read her posts 11Eden - Because im obv not top 10!
On May 15 2015 23:47 sicklucker wrote: All you have to do is make a list of 10 players poorly.. to presure marv to make a better one. Here ill start
1. Sicklukcer (duh) 2. hf - Lucky motherfucker tho 3. palmer - sickluckers famous wipping boy 4 dandred -That dude people respect now for some reason 5 toad -the guy who makes bad claims and wins 6 Marv - the guy who talks alot 7 FF - I mean why not? numbers dont lie 8 Jat - Wow were digging deep here boys 9 Vivax - At least you always know what his alignment is in everygame 10 Rstoulin - Im not sure why because I never read her posts 11Eden - Because im obv not top 10!
1 Blazinghand's giant 2 town-carrying 3 back of obese doom!! 4 geript + koshi dreamteam of scaring other players away xP 5 palmarv (it's a thing. except when it's not) 6 unholyflare! - i will get you lynched sometime when you're not town it will happen. despite the townies and their "well i wouldn't mind losing to him" 7 damdred <3 (bias! alert)
no one else counts! -runs around and cackles gleefully at the impending flaming-
Desert Mini - Probably one of my worst games, and the game that made me take a very long break from the game (burnout, lazy play, etc). This game really changed the way I look at mafia. I was super active, spammy, yet wasn't carefully reading the thread. It took Rayn like 3 days to beat through my skull that Marv was mafia. Atleast I got nightkilled?
Shadow Mini Mafia - Artanis's all-star invite game. Voted mafia D1, got shot N1, was obv-town the entire time.
Guilty Mini Mafia - Was Serial Killer. I am pretty lack-luster as anti-town roles and got lynched Day 2 after dropping off in activity. Still voted mafia D1, while making a case on the two remaining mafia on N1 (and a bad case on a town Damdred D: ), then voted mafia on Day 2.
Devil's Riddle Mafia - Made a case on mafia D1 and forced through a mafia D1 lynch. Was killed D1 because he was a "bonder."
Apateur - Welp. If I ever play mafia again, it'll never be a large, spammy themed game. Didn't have the time nor the patience for this, and I regret it a lot.
On May 23 2015 07:51 Hapahauli wrote: Doesn't the nature of a "Power Rank" imply recent success?
Yes but that list we were talking about was an all best.
Mmmm well... how do you judge that?
Speaking for myself, I was a very "niche" player. My strengths were almost exclusively geared to town-play in normal mini-games. Outside of this, I was average-to-below-average (i.e. anti-town play or larger themed games). But in this "niche", I don't think anyone who played in late-2012/2013 can contest that marv and I were by far the best players in this setting, with no one else coming close (except for a focused, emotionally-controlled Rayn). Given the preference for Mini's on TL during this time period, it was a very nice "niche" to be good in.
So would I put myself on a power-rank for best players of all time? Probably not. I was not nearly well-rounded enough to deserve that. But being an "all-around" mafia player was never what I was interested in becoming..
On May 23 2015 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: But in this "niche", I don't think anyone who played in late-2012/2013 can contest that marv and I were by far the best players in this setting, with no one else coming close
Wow, way to hurt my feelings!
I'm 8-1 all time as town in [M][N].
For serious though, I think part of the reason I was never considered all that good though was because even though i tend to have decent reads, I don't have the personality or drive to push them and you/marv/rayn/whoever tends to lead the pushes and get credit for them.
Like when we lynched marv in GSL 3 (?), i basically posted your exact case before you did, but yours was longer and people already thought you were town so you got credit for it
Edit: And also my day 1 is terrible 100% of the time. Which I guess is an important part of the game, But my day 2+ tend to be pretty great!
Edit 2: In hindsight, I'm actually really surprised that my record in normal minis is that good (okay, it's technically 7-1, but I still count Whose Line as a win even though it's technically a draw. We were going to win the game and then there was host error). Still, actually looking back at the games instead of just looking at the stats, I think I only actually played really well in 4-5 of those 9 games.
I think a lot of my better posts tended to happen in Themed Games just because I can think outside of the box pretty well?
It's weird, sometimes I feel like I was a pretty good player and one of the better playing on TL for a while, and other times I think I was terrible
On May 23 2015 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: But in this "niche", I don't think anyone who played in late-2012/2013 can contest that marv and I were by far the best players in this setting, with no one else coming close
Wow, way to hurt my feelings!
I'm 8-1 all time as town in [M][N].
For serious though, I think part of the reason I was never considered all that good though was because even though i tend to have decent reads, I don't have the personality or drive to push them and you/marv/rayn/whoever tends to lead the pushes and get credit for them.
Like when we lynched marv in GSL 3 (?), i basically posted your exact case before you did, but yours was longer and people already thought you were town so you got credit for it
Edit: And also my day 1 is terrible 100% of the time. Which I guess is an important part of the game, But my day 2+ tend to be pretty great!
Git on TS so we can nostalgia! It's funny, because I don't think we played together in that many games despite playing our volume in the same time-period.
That being said, having good reads is only 50% of the game. The people who have done the best on this site in terms of game-impact and longevity (i.e. Marv) have been the masters of the other 50%.
On May 23 2015 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: That being said, having good reads is only 50% of the game. The people who have done the best on this site in terms of game-impact and longevity (i.e. Marv) have been the master's of the other 50%.
It does boggle my mind a bit thinking about just how good marv has been for so long.
On May 23 2015 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: Speaking for myself, I was a very "niche" player. My strengths were almost exclusively geared to town-play in normal mini-games. Outside of this, I was average-to-below-average (i.e. anti-town play or larger themed games). But in this "niche", I don't think anyone who played in late-2012/2013 can contest that marv and I were by far the best players in this setting, with no one else coming close (except for a focused, emotionally-controlled Rayn). Given the preference for Mini's on TL during this time period, it was a very nice "niche" to be good in.
So would I put myself on a power-rank for best players of all time? Probably not. I was not nearly well-rounded enough to deserve that. But being an "all-around" mafia player was never what I was interested in becoming..
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Yes, that is a nice niche to be good in. Normal minis are most certainly the niche where you as a single player can make the biggest difference. Certainly also the statistic that comes the closest to actually being meaningful regarding a players skill.
I just want to make sure that unlike GB I was talking about the PR. If we talk about all time then I would put you in top 10 town players easily. You should play normal minis again.
I've wasted a bunch of WHOLE MINUTES to come up with the backstory. The plot will be developed accordingly to things that happen in thread and future games will be sequels/prequels. Not that it matters for a lot of people but I'm really excited to write stories
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She needs to come back.
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