Doctor Who Mafia 2 - Page 4

On March 30 2014 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
towards = against

On March 30 2014 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not claim survivor and try to play like town. Backstab the town when/if it's beneficial to you later on.
Survivor is the most boring role in the game because the best play is impossible to achieve unless you wanna play dumb and pray and the second bets play (claiming) results in lynching you because you are a threat to the town.

On March 31 2014 01:03 Amiko wrote:
If someone dies in the game, does the flip reveal their current role or any role history / alignment change the player had? If you won't answer that's ok.

Massclaim


My answer is no - I don't see many (any?) advantages for this in a closed setup.
If it was a serious suggestion then I'm wiling to talk about it, though, and it looks like we are both on.


[u]Other Questions
@anyone what is LHF?
@kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)?

On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:


That was in response to a question about the rayn vote, not thrawn. Saying a random vote is random doesn't accomplish much, unless you're ready to move on.

Slam, could you post your role name, abilities, and win condition? If you don't do so, then you're working against town.

rayn, have you finished your research yet?

On March 31 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something.

On March 31 2014 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't care anyone thinks. I'll put myself on the copping block for saying if we massclaim it helps the town. Nobody is talking about 100% winning the game. It's about benefiting the town vs benefiting the scum. Massclaim always benefits town in high roled games, it doesn't matter what the roles are. I have played enough BYOR's and other shit to know it. But it's probably impossible to argue about it because noone will believe me anyways even if i can show 10 examples. So i don't care.

Toadesstern - town, not going to argue about this in this game any more
austinmcc - not posted
kitaman27 - started saying dumb stuff again
Hopeless1der - probably scum
thrawn2112 - seems town
JarJarDrinks - not posted
kushm4sta - town
Vivax - horrible opening
Djodref - not posted
Amiko - seems town. could focus onto something else than setup speculation. you need to either trust me or not, it's my ass on the line anyways so there is no need to "check" anything
gumshoe - trolled, i have no idea what he is doing
Tehpoofter - seemed town, i liked his proactiveness
Alakaslam - scum or anti-town, must lynch asap.

here are my reads. people who need to talk are not here.

On March 31 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tehpoofer are you okay for getting lynched if i flip town?
best argument; you refused to lynch a dude who is 100% not town and lynched town instead.

On March 31 2014 04:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
Slam will you flip town?

On March 31 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And yes i am trying to find mafia lla the time.

On March 31 2014 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rayn is mafia because he wants to lynch people who are 50% not town versus any potential scum!!

Jesus christ best case 2014!!

On March 31 2014 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so apparently i am mafia because:
- I believed Slam's claim (incorrect)
- I am trying to lynch a dude who is 50% not town (rofl)
- I am going to stop scumhunting (incorrect)
- I posted heavily biased meaningless reads (lol)

On March 31 2014 03:56 Vivax wrote:
What if there's a traitor in the game and he can claim survivor cause town doesn't know that it's possible?

On March 31 2014 04:27 Amiko wrote:
@raynpelikoneet - Massclaims Continued
So I skimmed through the crossfire game linked by rayn. I do agree that the claims were beneficial to town in that game, but I feel my concerns from my earlier post are mostly still applicable. Rayn addresses the game setup here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20200468) – there are a lot of distinctions, but these are the important ones, I think:
- In the prior game, people could confirm their claimed powers by affecting the vote count. In this game, we don’t know whether people can confirm they have powers they claim.
- In the prior game, there was not a risk of alignment change (unless I missed something). In this game, a town claim we believe may be converted into scum.
Some of my other concerns are still applicable, too (fabricated roles).

raynpelikoneet vote on Alakaslam
After thinking about it a little, I actually feel a little better about rayn’s justification for voting Alakaslam. I think we can summarize his argument as, Alakaslam may be scum (scum claiming survivor) or he may be survivor (3rd party) but we know he isn’t town, so he is a good/safe-ish lynch.

tehpoofter on raynpelikoneet
I really dislike poofter’s vote on raynpelikoneet.
One- I have trouble seeing rayn’s push on Alakaslam as scummy.
Two- I think the criticism of rayn for pushing slam lynch (and not focusing other people) doesn’t make much sense since rayn is doing other things (pushing for massclaim, giving reads, questioning players including me).
Three- I don’t disagree with your read that rayn saying he doesn’t care is scum – he actually did something pretty similar same thing in the game he linked and flipped scum there. However, I don’t put much into rayn’s “I don’t care” in that post because right after it he gives some reads.

Vote
I don’t feel great about the Alakaslam lynch, but I think it’s pretty good and is a def. a better lynch than rayn.
The two are vote tied so I’m going to

##Vote: Alakaslam

(I think it is a little sad we are lynching Alakaslam when he seems to be posting coherently though, shouldn’t we be encouraging that?)

@Alakaslam: Right now I don't want to lynch rayn. If we were going to lynch someone other than you two, who would you pick and why?

On March 31 2014 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The point is unless you are certain you can lynch mafia every day you HAVE to lynch Slam one day. Just because the closer to LYLO it gets the more mafia he becomes even if he is survivor. Also the longer the game goes the LESS POSSIBILITIES we have to actually lynch him, just because at some point there will be a point where you can't just lynch the survivor claim unless you think they are mafia because if you do you lose! With this playerbase i am not sure i or the town in general, especially after night kills, can lynch mafia every day, that's my honest opinion

Now if you have to lynch the survivor claim, the best play is to lynch the survivor claim on D1. Just because you have way better chances to lynch mafia on D2 than D1, based purely on the fact that you have 120 hours instead of 48 to find the first mafia. Basic logic. You have also night actions on N1 that might reveal something. You have also a GUARANTEED NON-TOWN D1 lynch. The survivor claim might even be mafia.

This has nothing to do with scumhunting. You just default your votes on Slam and play normally. Instead of having a 48h day we have a 120h day. People who stop playing because "lynch is already decided" are likely mafia because just because a lynch is "decided" does not mean you should stop playing until you see the results.

Sucks for Slam if he is survivor but he fucked up. The best play is to put votes on him, ignore him and focus on other stuff. we have a 120h D1. If someone claims scum or something we can always switch our votes.Easy, and definitely the best play.

Now this is the last time i explain this. Hope people understand.

On March 31 2014 04:01 Djodref wrote:


What if he is trying to ask me this question to get me talking, see where I am in my thought process, and try to infer my alignment from there ?
Would you be a little happier if I'm telling you I'm down with you to lynch Slam ? Because I feel like you could use a little love right now

And here are my reasons to lynch Slam.

• Good policy lynch => less trolling, less spam, and I'm not able to determine his alignment.
  
• VT claim and survivor claim => I don't think such roles exist in this game. I think everyone got a role (even a small one) in this heavily themed game, so I suspect both claims to be lies
  
• Even if he's town, I don't think like he would help us solve the game anyway (sorry Slam, but I would be glad if you prove me wrong)
  

## vote Slam

I understand that it would be more difficult to scumhunt if we decide to lynch Slam now, but I really think the discussion is not going to end here and I'm open to change my vote to pressure anyone else if needed.

My answer to Poofer incoming.

On March 31 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:


This post from Toad makes me really think he is town. It looks genuine and he is not afraid to post something which could be turned against him, even if I would rather say that him being unable to vote is rather townish here. Usually the power of town lie in the votes (having the majority of them), but I don't think it's necessarily the case in this game.