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On March 13 2014 03:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't wear clown shoes anymore. I changed your hair though! | ||
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On March 13 2014 11:25 Alakaslam wrote: Means if I don't double my output I will be fired, or, (more accurately) HR is telling the owner to fire me and he is trying to give me a chance. pro-tip: At every place you work, acquire a skill that no one else has and is vital to that company's function. Even if you're lazy they can't fire you if you're essential to the operation! | ||
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But will consider them one player, if one hydra head contradicts the other, or they disagree on something, tough luck. | ||
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On March 15 2014 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar has been hydraing with himself lately. If he keeps up with it like last game by his definition we should lynch him.  au contraire, I generally agree with myself! | ||
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On March 18 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote: Over 9000% town favoured Setup has very little to do with town/scum favored. If about 70% of town just posts a fuckton and stays cool, town wins almost every time. When town is forced to lynch lurkers and trolls, town tends to lose. | ||
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On March 18 2014 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi that 70% theory does not include the rest of the town claiming mafia you silly. Only retards would do that. | ||
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On March 18 2014 22:05 Koshi wrote: I disagree about the 70% thing. 7 townies trying to figure out the game 3 townies not trying to figure out the game. 3 scummers influencing 10 townies. Not the best odds for town. It's not about trying to figure out the game. It's about posting enough and well enough to guarantee a townread on you. if I'm in a 13 player game and the pool of lynch candidates is 6 players, 3 of which are the mafia, it's really easy to win. | ||
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The post says 14 people left the op has 15 people signed up. I think we should lynch the host. | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:01 Hopeless1der wrote: okay guys, host made a boo boo. you cant lynch him. Go away with your logic. | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:16 Hopeless1der wrote: who's scum? I told you to shut up with your logic and relevant questions. | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Put your vote where your mouth is bish. Should we policy lynch you or Coag, you can pick. | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think you should give me a pass for any reason. I expect you to read me in this game the way you read me in any other game. If you think me posting that picture is the extend of what I will do today then vote away, I'm not going to argue with you about how stupid and useless a vote on me at this point is regardless. If, however, you intend to try and get a read on me, I suggest you wait until something has happened that I can comment on. I didn't imply I was going to read you based on that picture, if I was seriously considering pushing you it'd be a policy lynch, not a read. I am fully aware that everything you've done up until this very post is not alignment indicative at all. What about Coag, I wasn't in that game where everyone got really mad but is he now guaranteed to be town? | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:26 Coagulation wrote: VE Should we give palm a pass day 1 for being shit mafia player? bitch pls. | ||
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He literally just did.. or does that not count? | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:28 VisceraEyes wrote: @Palmar He's already done more in this game than he's done in his last 2 games combined. Right now not interested in lynching - ask me again once some time has elapsed so I can look again. Who coag? | ||
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On March 19 2014 06:47 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn was like Fuck yeah I am town. And then peace out. That is like the Anti-rayn. Perhaps it is the end of days. Perhaps Rayn is scum. Perhaps he is just busy. Find out next time in: 'Nothing much is happening Mafia' I like this post. | ||
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Solid logic. | ||
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On March 19 2014 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't see any logic there. I don't even know what anti-rayn means. Like am i scum or town? What? In your opinion does DarthPunk call me any alignment in that post? No, do you think that matters? You haven't done anything alignment indicative. He pointed out a curiosity. Why do you not like this post? | ||
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On March 19 2014 07:18 DarthPunk wrote: OK guys. That post did not mean anything. It was just some banter. I thought that was obvious just by reading it but obviously not. I was not trying to meta rayn, I was not trying to say anything about rayn's alignment I was just pointing out that nothing was happening. Hence the 'Nothing much is happening mafia' I find it odd for Palmar to like that post but not anymore so than it is odd to not like the post. It was meaningless fluff. Why on earth is that odd? You posted something I had noticed myself (ie: rayn did not immediately followed up) which is a fair observation. | ||
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On March 19 2014 07:32 Coagulation wrote: PALMAR do you agree its more likely for a hydra to scumslip if scum so it would be reasonable to expect better reads than a solo player? I don't really care. | ||
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On March 19 2014 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar can you explain to me why is it odd/weird/what do you call it that i posted at the start of the game and then didn't post for an hour? An observation doesn't have to be weird. I could make the observation that VE has basically just left the thread, but I don't think it's particularly alignment indicative, he has been quite shit on early days as town in recent games so it doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:01 Coagulation wrote: rayn ur bad and should feel bad I think that was actually a pretty good post. @rayn, talking about things that are non-alignment-indicative is not bad. Because for the most part these are the only things you can talk about because mafia doesn't out themselves in every post. It's perfectly reasonable to point out stuff even if it may never lead to anything. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion. The point is that Coag is basically answering a question for me without considering my position or my possible alignment. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:08 DarthPunk wrote: You think that calling rayn bad is a pretty good post? No I'm saying rayn's point is good. | ||
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if you don't know how to TL mafia, learn it. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:16 Coagulation wrote: nope Its coag and the fact that ITS AN HOUR INTO THE FUCKING GAME WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT DOESNT STRIKE YOU AS A LITTLE FUCKING EARLY TO BE MAKING INDICATIONS OF ALIGNMENTS. No of course not cause your more interested in SELLING BULLSHIT than fucking reasonable reads. I once forced a no lynch to defend a townie based on a post he made less than 5 minutes into the game. There is no time wrong or right for making alignment calls. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:21 Coagulation wrote: ITS NOT SCUMMY AS FUCK I ANSWERED A QUESTION HERE LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU ONE LAST TIME REAL SLOW AND EASY SO YOU DONT MISS IT AGAIN - 1 HOUR INTO GAME - PALMER - "RAYN GOING AFK FOR AN HOUR IS ODD HERPDERP" RAYN - "HERP DERP WHY IS THAT??" COAG - "CAUSE U MIGHT BE IN QT INSTEAD OF POSTING IN THREAD BUT ITS POINTLESS NULL SPECULATION ANYMORE DUMB SUPER OBVIOUS QUESTIONS I CAN ASSIST YOU WITH RAYN?" RAYN- ERMAHGERD COAG IS SCUM BECAUSE OF THAT POST AFK. I never said it was odd. If I did, please prove I did. Odd means unusual/strange. Noteworthy can be something completely ordinary. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:22 DarthPunk wrote: Basically my vote doesn't look so bad now when there are like 5 people posting from one account at the same time does it. #Vindicated Town hero thank you based DarthPunk | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:23 Coagulation wrote: Right palmar but im not gonna "MAKE SHIT UP" to hear myself fucking talk like rayn over here. Sure, but why don't you explain what your thought process is. You basically answered a question directed at me without considering there may be a reason behind rayn's question. I'm pretty sure rayn had almost no interest in what I thought of his alignment based on that post, but what he really wanted to know was to check if my thoughts on that post are genuine. You however answered the obvious part of the question (ie: can we read rayn based on that post) which means you ignored the point of the question that was being asked. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote: But koshi that is overdefensive. He should know people are wrong about him and realise they are making up shit and then people idly sheeping look scummy as hell but the over paranoia of everyone thinking you are scum is scummy though. Who idle sheeped that case? please provide a link and an explanation. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:41 Coagulation wrote: the one that would start with a slow chant of "RAYN WAS INACTIVE AT START" and turn to a maddening rumble of "RAYN WAS SCUMMY AT START" If this is Coag posting you should know that's not how I lynch people. Rayn was in no danger. | ||
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On March 19 2014 08:55 Coagulation wrote: What the fuck are you talking about HE SAID "PALMAR" "WHAT DO YOU CALL" In reference to the "Noteworthy post" Palm made This has nothing to do with you DP You have to explain this entire thing much better, and from the beginning. You just called Rayn out for lying which means we should be lynching him. If you are CORRECT that he is lying you need to demonstrate how, so the rest of us can follow. I don't understand your point at the moment. You clearly have a strong conviction he just lied, so I want to understand your thought process. | ||
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So it's a reasonable assumption that I wasn't trying to lynch you. So Coag's lie is: Palmar said he wasn't trying to lynch rayn Rayn says palmar was trying to lynch rayn (where?) ? | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:13 Coagulation wrote: This post and this post are contradictory I don't think they are. The first post is definitely true, prior to rayn posting the latter post, I had already clarified I did not think rayn's absence was alignment indicative, right here The latter post isn't there to imply I think rayn is mafia, it's to find out my motivations, it has nothing to do with whether or not I think rayn is mafia, but all about why I thought it was noteworthy he didn't immediately follow up. | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:35 Holyflare wrote: First and foremost, these 3 things do not go together. Palmar likes DP's post, thinks it's good logic (wut?) and then states later that it had nothing to do with rayns alignment, it was an observation from DP that he liked. He still sticks by this despite me saying that this is something rayn does as either alignment and DP SHOULD know that. It was super weird to point out from DP and even more weird for Palmar to like despite everything that had already happened. Not to mention, DP further calls that post a "joke" but Palmar still likes it despite him admitting it said nothing of value. You pointing out rayn does this as either alignment is completely irrelevant, I already said it wasn't alignment indicative which is essentially the same thing. Remember that story I told earlier about refusing to lynch a townie based on a post 5 minutes into the game? The post's contents were "lolol". There was literally nothing else in the post. There is no connection between "Palmar likes a post" and "Palmar thinks this post provides something of value". If I thought DP had a good point, I'd have said so. All I said was that I liked the post, it looked like something written by a townie. The "solid logic" is a tounge in cheek post. why are you so serious HF? | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:45 Hopeless1der wrote: he's either buddying (scummy) or inferring things about your posts that aren't there (possibly scummy). whats your game history like with HF? The only game I remember HF's play well in is survivor thingee, he was scum and basically lurked and wrote big statement posts. | ||
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On March 19 2014 09:47 Koshi wrote: He is not. But he shouldnt be lynched today. Which was obvious 160 posts ago. Even if the guy is scum you 3 guys played horribly. He basically is, and even if he isn't he should be ignored. The voting screenshots basically "confirm" that he's town as it's out of thread communication between the hydra heads that needed to be faked by the hydra heads. If he is scum the game is invalid because he should be allowed to post these kinda screenshots and should be immediately modkilled. So we're just gonna assume he's town for the rest of the game. | ||
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On March 19 2014 10:13 Coagulation wrote: also i want to give palm a big fucking pat on the back for saying for freaking out about me confirming myself as town and then going "well if hes town its ok but if hes scum its rigged" wich is like impossible for me to be confirmed town and ruined the game if the next sentence hes talking about how its possible im scum and the game is rigged. I'm saying you should be treated as such, not that I actually think you are. There is no point in trying to lynch you now. It's the same shit as geript in that big game. | ||
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On March 19 2014 10:24 Coagulation wrote: rayns bascially like "omg coag didnt get himself lynched for no reason im mad and gonna policy vote him" it makes zero sense from a townie perspective. I have no problems with it, I hate the seal thing just as much as rayn. It's a dumb and boring mechanic. | ||
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No it isn't. Even if 1 person thinks he is slightly more townie looking from posting stuff that shouldn't be posted there is no point in trying to lynch him as it would be harder than it should be. Thus if he's scum the game is invalid, if he's town it's fine. | ||
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On March 19 2014 12:10 Tehpoofter wrote: Palmer I'm null on what he said he kinda ducked out of the whole early game thing and didnt add enough for me to gain alignment from. Where did I duck out of anything? What is "the whole early game thing"? | ||
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I actually wonder if he would've been modkilled if he was scum... mafia gets away with all kinds of shit. | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: The most important question to tehpoofer is why does he have reads or "reads" on everyone who has even remotely been talking or talked about in thread except fot Hopeless and GiggleTummy? Now i am srsly gonna go to bed. I hope we have an answer when i wake up. I noted the same. | ||
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On March 19 2014 14:44 Vivax wrote: Hopeless cause he didn't consider HF could be joking with his initial posts, and immediately proceeded to call him scum for it. HF's first post on DP was obviously a joke, how do you conclude that the second one has to be serious so quickly, no questions asked. I for myself didn't think DP was really a scumread until HF started calling hopeless scum as well. This is probably the best point about Hopeless anyone has made. Then again, hopeless's reads are pretty good so idk. | ||
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On March 19 2014 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Tehpoofters first post also smells bad for me, totally wishy washy with easy reads and gives out the VE is scum because he hasnt been playing when VE didnt even post 5 posts so far. And after that he says its a fake read but continues pushing it. He also ignored Hopeless and Giggle who I think both have posted more than VE. But I guess that can be explained by this guy apparently knowing VE. | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:19 Koshi wrote: Ok I am back alive. Going to bitch about the modkill after the game I guess. Vivax pretty scummy atm. We will see where he brings us. I am going for a reread later I think. Why? As I said I think his point about Hopeless is probably the best made so far. | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:37 DarthPunk wrote: I can't really comment on Holyflare anymore. He is so deeply tunnelled and pissed me off so epicly that I can't make unbiased judgements of his alignment. Tbf it's not like you've posted anything of value. The main reason I'm not lynching you atm is just activity alone. And I think almost none of the weird things hf has said are directly in relation to his assessment of you. But I may be wrong I sorta skipped some of your argument | ||
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I agree on Koshi and rayn, although you didn't get the correct reasoning for Koshi's alignment. The reason Koshi is town is that during the whole Coag/rayn thing he was actively trying to move the thread on from that argument. I think rayn is town so there is literally no reason for scum to try to stop an argument between what seem to be two townies. This basically means that Koshi should be everyone's favorite townread at the moment. | ||
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On March 19 2014 18:56 thrawn2112 wrote: better doesn't = townier so no, i do not think tehpoofter looks "better" than you. i think he is more likely to be town than you. Based on what? I think you're full of shit if you think this, because there is no way you think the guy who popped into the thread and left a few reads based on almost nothing while happily ignoring two people who very well could be scum and had posted more than VE (giggle and hopeless). So based on this I can only assume you have some solid reason for not thinking I'm town, because it's clear that it's not tehpoofter's content that deserves him to be more of a townread than I am, so it must be my content. So tell me, why am I not town? | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:10 thrawn2112 wrote: it's nothing about your content, it's about my expectations of your play compared to my expectations of tehpoofter's play and no, i have never said you aren't town, i've never said anything about what I think about your alignment. tbh i prefer to keep it that way. What expectations have I failed to live up to? You can't just claim shit like this without explaining what you mean. Sure I understand you don't expect poofter to be some amazing mass-posting supertownie, but I don't see how even if you give him a "noob" status he has fully lived up to expectations, so my only reasonable conclusion is that I have somehow not lived up to your expectations of me. So, what are those expectations? | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:20 thrawn2112 wrote: my expectations of you as town is that as some point you will do something that makes me think "wow palmar such town i will never doubt this read" like when you started talking to yourself in foundation. I sorta got that feeling from the way you talked about how coag should be modkilled because it felt similar to the frustration you felt in foundation over how pushing a boone (the claimed doc) lynch would be impossible, therefore you must just assume she's town and not care about the game if she was mafia. So yes i do think you are town but not so much that I would care to write this many words about it if you weren't being so annoying about it. My bad, I forgot to talk to myself. | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:28 thrawn2112 wrote: stop equating "naturally looking townier as town" with "ability to appear town as town" seems like you're just mad because you weren't in my top 3 town list? anyways i don't care any more, I'm very very far from trying to lynch you so I don't want to waste any more time posting about it No I want to understand your thought process. I'm assuming everyone, including mafia, thinks Koshi is town. So it's important who else you have a town read on and why. I don't think your reasons for the town read are legit. I'm not sure it makes you scum, but it's worth noting. | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote: How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? How about you comment on something instead of just asking questions. You can ask questions when your filter is 50+ posts. Until then, go do something useful. | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:56 DarthPunk wrote: Asking questions is useful though. I agree that he should be commenting more. But asking questions is also fine. In order to ask questions you need to have an interrogation permit from the ministry of intelligence. Interrogation permits are only handed out to trusted researchers who have proven their value to the state. | ||
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On March 19 2014 20:34 Koshi wrote: Can somebody explain to me what he thinks about Hopeless and HF and why it correlates to the fact they made the game serious. Also. Wtf was his drawing all about? On March 19 2014 14:44 Vivax wrote: Hopeless cause he didn't consider HF could be joking with his initial posts, and immediately proceeded to call him scum for it. HF's first post on DP was obviously a joke, how do you conclude that the second one has to be serious so quickly, no questions asked. I for myself didn't think DP was really a scumread until HF started calling hopeless scum as well. This is, as I said, the best point made against Hopeless. Holy's initial point on Hopeless was literally just "If I'm town you should sheep me cause I'm right and if I'm scum you should sheep me cause I'm bussing". And while if you take Hopeless's initial posts at straight up face value, HF is actually correct. However it's completely unreasonable for HF to assume that Hopeless can only think that because HF once bussed in a situation similar to the one that came up at that time, that HF will bus every time, so Hopeless not joining HF's case on DP is completely understandable and not scummy at all. HF's insistance that hopeless should follow this logic is one of the reasons I say he feels off. there are more (for example "this is how video mafia players play" when in truth each of them has a unique style with no overall theme, see foundation mafia). Vivax's point against Hopeless is however not bad. I thought it was clear that the case on DP was basically a joke but Hopeless never once considered that option, which means either he's a jumpy townie or scum looking for a reason to start shit. I'm not really sure which one it is, but that doesn't invalidate Vivax's point. Where is this VE? didn't he say he was reading like many hours ago? VE don't be shit pls. | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote: totally not alignment indicative that VE isnt here and thrawn trying to lynch him when he should really know better is bad. Promising content and then not delivering used to be VE's no1 scumtell. Like every time he delayed adding content he was mafia. However he's been really shit early games lately so whatever, I'll wait until he's here. | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:05 Koshi wrote: Even though I can now see why people think Vivax said sensible things. I believe that these things are not what Vivax should be talking about 10 hours after it happened. After 10h nobody solely talking about things that happened 9 hours ago is horrible. Even if it is true it holds no value anymore. Vivax ends his horrible opening post with the desire to keep talking about this. He asks Holyflare/Hopeless to explain what they did. NOBODY fucking cares about this explenation, especially if it is going to be picked up another 10 hours later by Vivax again. So what is Vivax going to do next? Talk about what hapenned in the second hour of this game? Vivax is very likely scum. But I going to give him a chance to come in here and be fully updated on EVERYTHING that happened and push is reads into this thread using at least 40 posts. I like this Koshi. Fuck yeah arbitrary parameters. | ||
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Also, this long pre-game is really annoying. I'm trying to apply some great logic like checking filter lengths and some people have like a million posts pre-game, many pages. | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: he didnt promise anything though. the "I'm reading" comment while not a direct promise implies he is catching up with the thread. But anyway it doesn't really matter. | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually if you are town Palmar, then HF is pushing only townreads. Is that odd? Yes but I'm not sure it makes him scum. As much as I dislike using meta HF is playing completely differently from his last game as scum. He has these strange things (I pointed out the hopeless case and the video mafia comment. He also called me out for agreeing with him or something, I can't remember but I explained earlier). I don't think I'd want to lynch HF today in any case. Hang on, I'm checking your list. | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:37 Holyflare wrote: Urgh palmar it wasn't anything to do with rayn and it still pains me you read it like that. I'm saying dp should have known better to say that rayn being away was odd when he does it as every alignment so it was weird you chose that post to comment on that you liked when it was terrible. It had nothing to do with rayn This is the thing, I don't think it has anything to do with rayn and I said so earlier! You for some reason keep insisting that I thought it had anything to do with rayn. | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:41 Holyflare wrote: No i didn't and i just told you it had nothing to do with rayn other than implicating dp x_x We're clearly not speaking the same language. from my point of view you handed me a banana and said HF: "Palmar, this is a banana" Palmar: "yeah dude, totally is a banana". HF: "Srsly Palmar THIS IS A FUCKING BANANA" Palmar: "yeah I said, it's a banana" HF: "wow palmar come one listen. This is a fucking banana and you know it" Palmar: "yeah, I know" HF: "So why can't you agree it's a banana?" Palmar: "dude I agree, it's a banana" HF: "FUCKING PALMAR, AGREE WITH ME ON THIS BANANA" Palmar: "..." | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Elaborate on this. Also you have a lot of unanswered questions in thread sir. Definitely not a tonwtell and i am amazed you consider this as one. How is it not? Knowing Coag's flip can you think of ANY reason at all for scumKoshi to do what he did during that discussion? If you're town, and from your point of view you have to be town, what motivation does a scumkoshi have to stop the argument between townies? | ||
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On March 19 2014 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also amazed people don't want to lycnh Hopeless who has clearly lied at least twice. I'll be the first guy on the wagon if you show me where. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar do you seriously think Koshi and Giggletummy should have had such a strong townread on Coag at that time? I don't think that's even what Koshi said. hang on. On March 19 2014 08:54 Koshi wrote: I think that you should put a scummy mark next to Coag his name for that post if you feel the need, but not continue hammering same subject. I am defending him because I feel that that 1 post is bringing him too much pain. And I don't feel the post is actually that scummy. It might be just sillyness he wrote down. But sleep calls. My head is also heavy. Maybe tomorrow I will think different. This is a perfectly valid stance. This other guy though... On March 19 2014 09:46 Giggletummy wrote: Specific reasoning inc longest delivery time earth. He is probably mafia. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:07 Holyflare wrote: Only scenario is that you know coag will post his seal under pressure so look good for defending him. Other than that, nothing. That's why i say you're pretty town disregarding that. Talk about thrawn please How about you explain exactly what your issue is? Your read is an associative read because he didn't include DP in the mix of his lynch targets. Should we lynch thrawn for it? | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not reasoning Palmar. That's saying "i don't think he is mafia" without giving any reasoning at all!!!! It's a stance and it's a valid stance. I did not say it was reasoning, I said it was a valid way of dealing with the situation if I meant "reasoning" I'd probably have said "reasoning" because that makes sense. How about we just lynch this Giggle guy for failing to deliver promised content, oldest scumtell in the book. Tempvote: giggle (will mspaint later). | ||
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Stop being mad, last time you were mad you were scum, I like happy kiterayn and dunkedrayn. Not this version. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe i just stop posting because apparently it's not okay to question your scumreads for obvious contradictions. Starting to lean that koshi was right when he accused you of being mad cause bad. Go explain the hopeless thing. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote: I want to discuss him and it's nothing to do with association it's reads that don't add up with motives: Says me and dp are town but wary that one of us is full of crap - gives himself a scum on one clause Says i could be scum because of fluff related to dp but ignores everything else Says dp could be scum because of x, y, z, a, b, c but the doesn't poe dp after saying all the things I've pointed out about dp. Either he agrees with me in which case i shouldn't be poe'd because he's sheeping me or he disagrees with me and i shouldn't be poe'd because he said I'm probably town It's a fault of mindset The one thing in thrawn's filter that really bothers me is his top 3 town post. It literally means he only has 2 town reads and everyone else is potentially scum because that venn diagram guy has done nothing for anyone to have a town read on him. I poke thrawn a bit for it and he sorta responded okay, but idk. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:42 Hopeless1der wrote: like about how i lied and i'm scum? Because I've either addressed those or I'm ignoring them as ridiculous. Also waiting on Palmar to decide if he thinks I lied before I reiterate my points. I don't think there is an outright lie in any of your posts. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote: basically i didn't want you trolling like what you pulled in cultured so I got on your case as soon as I saw you doing ridiculous things. The Phoenix Wright stuff looked like pregame-plan, or you draw really well really fast. Based on the adventures of kiterayn, I don't think you can draw that well on demand. Your case on DP is based on his pre-game assertion that he dislikes hydras and was at one point willing to /out because of it. You used a mindset that can't be assigned to an alignment and when DP was consistent with it, tried to spin it to make him look scummy in-game because it allowed him to push scum-agenda. This is after you call your read But I'm the bad guy for taking you even remotely seriously. I think this is a perfect explanation for Hopeless's actions at the time and now I don't really want to lynch him. | ||
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On March 19 2014 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote: Direct quotes if you please. You're wrong It's in his post. You said something like "if rayn doesn't come back in x he's scum, otherwise he's probably town" and then you said "i don't have a read on rayn, it's statistics". Rayn's theory is that based on the former sentence, you should have a townread on rayn and you're only flipping it if he goes afk for a long time, and the second sentence implies that you have no read. What I think is missing is that your read during the initial sentence is actually null and not town, and you think only if he comes back does it make him town. | ||
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On March 19 2014 23:17 Holyflare wrote: lol forgot hopeless was modding culture (last game) where rayn was town and afk'd after a policy vote and he like never came back till after deadline, so why did you mention the ~5 hour thing being scummy on rayn when you know that not to be true? Someone confirm this please (fucking meta). Also it's important to know at what point rayn afk'd out of the thread. (with how many hours left in the day). If this is actually true then hopeless's stuff does look worse. | ||
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Here, let's discuss this post. On March 19 2014 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn - i watched him in foundation and what seemed most different in his play there compared to his town play is that he didn't seem as interested in finding scum, and he didn't appear to act like he was going to be a strong town leader. he knows his skill level and as town i think he usually feels a lot of repsonsibility for helping town win. It's a hard thing to pinpoint but this is probably the closest I can get: It's stuff like that where I feel like rayn is sincerely trying to push town in a direction that he believe will help him lynch scum. Another big reason is this post which is supposed to be from his notes during the time he rage quit the thread. I think it's a lot more likely that he did that (that = make notes during rage quite) as town than he did that as scum. Koshi, mostly because he seems to be having fun and I can feel the thought behind his posts even when they aren't given. I think tehpoofter is town. I already talked about my initial read on his post, and that read was further solidified by him claiming to have "set a trap" for vivax here I don't think there's anyone else that I'd feel confident as labeling a "top" town read. I think both dp and hf are town but I can't get over this nagging doubt that one of them is full of crap. | ||
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I'd much rather lynch somewhere in the general direction of poof, GT, thrawn or even VE/Slam. maaaaybe djodref. | ||
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On March 19 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote: His reads seem.... like my meta case on oats was in survivor you know? "I know this guys alignment so this meta makes sense". I get the quoting the big post rayn made with his reads but if anything that would be something I'd point out pretty much straight away rather than after my meta explanation of rayn, especially as in foundation rayn wasn't in a qt with his scum team so he was demotivated from the start. Koshi read is meh but I guess it's alright because I feel similar, just not put any effort in explaining it like he did to overjustify rayn? poofter read is really odd because his posts aren't alignment indicative for a new player and that guy has experience of video mafia so to give a top 3 town read on him is strange compared to other people that were in the thread at the time, he says me and dp are towny but poofter weighs in above all of us with almost 0 content? He didn't even mention confirmed town hero Palmar until I forced him to call me town. it was ugly. | ||
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On March 19 2014 23:51 Holyflare wrote: you should be able to tell this is completely different from survivor, i'm more "talky" I know, and I've said it is. It's like contemplating hugging someone who has recovered from black death and then he coughs once. A cough doesn't say much but maaaaannn why can't he just be completely healthy. | ||
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On March 19 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is going to be fucking hard because i don't have any townreads except for Holyflare and Oats. And confirmed town hero palmar. | ||
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On March 19 2014 23:56 Holyflare wrote: well what's holding you back? if it's all the snarky comments at dp and the tunnel it's because i think dp is scum and it's also fun to troll dp so i intertwined both Said it earlier, your initial stance on hopeless was strange. You're tunneling the guy who has like 50 pages of filter on day 1, and you had some really weird point about video mafia player playing a certain way. You also kept calling me out for that thing based on me agreeing with you. Idk I'm really just contemplating taking a flyer on rayn's townread on you for now. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:03 Holyflare wrote: well it was straightforward for hopeless: I made a joke post against dp and then another one about the coag hydra and him being scum because of it but used "definitive language", hopeless jumped on it and called me scum because I did stuff like this in culture mini mafia, he referenced the term "scooby doo" which I used in really small mafia where I did the same thing but was town. It looked like he was cherry picking meta to paint me in a scummy light for people that did not know about those games and was very scummy until he explained his logic, he still hasn't backed off of me and is still defending stuff about that which happened in the first like 2 hours of the game instead of commenting about anything else in the game dp's post count is irrelevant, it was his posting style that led me onto him but i'm backing off of him for a bit because people don't like me talking about it i already explained about the agreeing thing because you're misreading it x_x it's nothing to do with rayn and all about dp Whatever, rayn says you're town and I think rayn is town. You get a pass today. I cba arguing with you anyway, you're really boring to argue with when you're mafia. Again, you're misunderstanding my point about the DP post, the post reached no conclusion and I agreed no conclusion could be made. The Hopeless thing looks perfectly okay to me, but maybe that's because I have no clue what happened in scoopy doo. He literally said "that's not very scoopy doo" so I assumed his point was that you were playing differently from what had happened in that game, which is reasonable. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I also want to play more but I cannot wrap my mind around the last 2 pages at all. We should be lynching into Giggle/Djo/poof today. at least 1 scum probably more. Anyone not voting for one of these 3 is playing in an antitown manner and shall be shunned. Did you just drop your earlier suspicions of thrawn? you even voted him I think. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote: tl;dr The ministry of population control has passed a No-Lynching resolution on Holyflare. You're getting lynched instead. On behalf of the state of liquidia we thank you for your co-operation. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah i just dropped my suspicions. Correct. What was that Giggle. Is there even a conclusion to that whole chunk of text? Based on what? His amazing townread on poof and his incredible insight that I can't be trusted as town because I'm not talking to myself? | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:46 Holyflare wrote: um no it really wasn't? You think I make a legitimate case on someone that says "if im scum i'll kill coag" "if i'm town i'll kill coag" without trolling for reactions? You think I don't know that telling someone to sheep me because I bus/or am right is trolling? You can quite clearly see in my posts that I jump to serious as soon as he mentions scooby doo He mentioned scoopy doo before you made the "sheep me cause I bus or right" post. | ||
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hence, my reservations about that post, as I took it as serious too. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:51 Koshi wrote: I will read it later when home and vote Hopeless. This koshi | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:56 Holyflare wrote: yes but I didn't read into it until he mentioned it as a reason for calling me scum based on the game that didn't include scooby doo God I hate talking about all these games I have no clue about. If I understand you correctly, the point still stands, the "sheep cause right/bus" is after he mentioned that game and thus you had already gone serious mode when you posted that, and thus you can't claim it's a joke. | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:04 Holyflare wrote: you think someone says sheep me because i'm bussing or right as a legitimate "case"? because that's what giggletummy is saying i'm doing There's a difference between a case and a post. I think you meant it what you said. | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i can understand you are referring to the "stupid and terrible Holyflare is mafia" comment. Fuck maybe you are not scum after all. ![[image loading]](http://i58.tinypic.com/3482ezq.png) come to papa | ||
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On March 20 2014 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why should i assume it is in fact Coag? Just because he says so and because he has posted more than in last 100 games he has played as mafia AND as town? In my opinion i had good reasons to assume that was in fact NOT Coag. Seems like a silly thing to lie about. I never even considered the possibility of a hydra lying about who is posting for other reasons that possibly trolling Could be, but I don't blame anyone for just believeing Coag when he said that it was all him. | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palamr Giggletummy not posting a case right after promising to do so is not alignment indicative. There is no reason for mafia to clearly promise posting a case and then just not do it. They know they will be called out of it so what's the point? If mafia calls someone scum they know they are expected to post reasoning for it. It's not like he did not know what to say and just left because he could not follow up his earlier post. I think it's bad logic to think so. rayn you're a dumbass. Mafia knows they get called out on contradictions, posting reads with no reasoning, lurking and various other things THEY STILL DO. All of these things are really obvious and can be avoided very easily. Yet we still lynch scum based on them all the time. My logic is great. Unless GT flips town in which case it was you bad logic that led to the lynch and I had nothing to do with it. | ||
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Glory to Liquidia. | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:28 thrawn2112 wrote: hopeless is town so i dont care about that question. ggtmy should probably go on that list but there is something about how this stuff happened that makes me think he might be town: as for oats, he had been consistently calling me scum up till a point where he wrote a lynch list that didn't innclude me, nowhere in his filter does it indicate that his read on me was changing before that lynch list post. his push on me wa a main component of his play so if he were scum i'd expect him to at least document the fact that his thrawn-read changed, if not give his reasons for the flop, given how scum want to keep their story straight. furthur, the fact that he has reads that change that aren't documented in his posts suggest that he is actualyl thinking about his reads even when he's not posting about them He did at least own up to dropping the read. Who knows. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21027165 | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i am trying to say is that the act in itself is not alignment indicative. The reasons behind them might be. You know, basic stuff. I think you're bad. I propose that everyone who wants to kill giggletummy also announces whether they're agreeing with my reasons or your reasons and then we'll see whose reasons are better. This means that everyone who votes giggle will also say which case he's sheeping. a) Palmar's glorious case about failing to deliver on content. b) rayn's case about some random offhand comment about some irrelevant dude. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/A39NgFT.png) | ||
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On March 20 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote: Mafia always got crazy much shit to do. Way more shit then town. Fact. Being busy irl is a great scumtell | ||
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On March 20 2014 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: rayn I'd like you to explain why you think thrawn is town. HF raised a really good point about thrawn leaving DP off his PoE list earlier and I don't really know how you missed that. It's pretty blatant. Seriously I'm getting like no respect this game. My point about thrawn's third town read being absolute horseshit is far better. | ||
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On March 20 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar you haven't mentioned a single point I've raised about anyone or anything. I don't care if you're butthurt about not being listened to, at least you're being townread for it. I'm being scumread by people who should know better and you don't hear me bitching. Who is scumreading you? | ||
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On March 20 2014 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote: What are you talking about rayn? Talk to me if you have a problem with me, not Palmar. Palmar's read on me is shite. What is my read on you? I'm curious, cause I don't really have one at the moment. | ||
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It's also super interesting and should not be forgotten that poof's venn diagram was missing some pretty obvious people, I think most notably hopeless and giggle, and it included VE who had at the time basically done jack shit. I'm not entirely sure it makes him scum and apparently he knows VE, but it's worth mentioning. | ||
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On March 20 2014 07:58 thrawn2112 wrote: you're so dumb palamr. everything you say about me is 100% related to your own pride and my reads not lining up with what you think they should be. earlier you said "there are right answers," of there aren't any right answers. also what is up with "thrawn is scum for having the two top town reads that everyone else has" "thrawn is scum for his controversial tehpoofter townread" and neither of those things are even scummy It's how you form the reads that doesn't make any sense at all. I did not say you were scum for having koshi/rayn as your top town reads, I pointed out that it was just going along with thread sentiment but it's not the main point. I just don't believe that you can have a townread on poof based on that if you've read the entire thread, post for post. | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: Is giggletummy even around? if he fucked off we should lynch him. Thank you based town hero DP before you started posting I was unsure. | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote: I have read the whole thread again I don't believe you. The thread is very long. | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:08 Giggletummy wrote: planned on actually posting my case. Not gonna go, "next time on giggletummy posts a case, we took a look at holyflare's reasoning in post 458 and you'll be shocked at what we discovered!" I don't think that's a valid reason. Scum doesn't give themselves away every post. If you truly feel as strongly as you seem to have been implying at the time, there is no reason why you can't say "Holyflare is mafia because of x". These huge post by post cases are generally full of fluff with one good point in them. I don't believe you couldn't at least say something about the your case before you left, in fact, dropping the vote and leaving is basically great if you're mafia and can get away with it, because that way no one can call you out on bad logic behind the vote, yet you can later claim "but I was trying to lynch HF so I'm totally doing stuff". | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote: i'd probably lynch out of this group right now 4. djodref 6. VisceraEyes 8. Vivax 15. Alakaslam This guy is mafia. He simply wants to lynch everyone that is lurking. Better not try to lynch active players, they might call him out. | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:28 thrawn2112 wrote: hopeless is town so i dont care about that question. I don't think hopeless is scum, or at least I don't think we should lynch him today but you're waaayy too certain about this. I guess we should take his word for it though | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i am trying to say is that the act in itself is not alignment indicative. The reasons behind them might be. You know, basic stuff. The reasons behind them is that it's really fucking hard to create legitimate cases as mafia, so they give up on it all the time and put it off. It's like homework. Mafia doesn't like homework, they like partying and shooting people. | ||
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On March 20 2014 03:15 VisceraEyes wrote: But I have to wonder. What is he expecting from me that I must be scum because I'm not already tearing it up. After all, I'm among the first people in the thread in spite of my early disappearance. I was the first to Paint a Painting. THAT early in the game, I'd say most of that stuff is more town-indicative than scum-indicative. The bolded is great logic, I can never doubt VE in this game ever because of that. I disagree with VE's read on poof. I don't think anything he's done gives me any reason to believe he's town. I'm not entirely sure it makes him scum, but I'm having a really hard time understanding why he omitted the people he did, he hasn't come to the thread and explained it either. | ||
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On March 20 2014 19:01 thrawn2112 wrote: you are still butt mad about me not giving you #3 spot Yes, but it's also valid mad. I'm super town and I want you to say I'm super town or I swear to god I will lynch you. | ||
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On March 20 2014 19:20 thrawn2112 wrote: because that's not how you play this game? for example you think I am mafia. am i supposed to sheep that read? lol Well if you do my bidding I might stop thinking you're mafia. Do you think there is a valid reason I'm wrong? I want you to compare my reasons for voting GT and yours for voting djodref and explain why your case is better than mine. | ||
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On March 20 2014 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also this post reads really townie to me. Actually fuck it, rayn is right. Calling HF's posting shit is pretty townie. Idk. please post at least the koshi-standard 40 posts today thrawn so I can get a read on what you're doing. | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:16 DarthPunk wrote: OK I am wading through Piles and Piles of meta bullshit whilst catching up with the thread. I am going to ignore meta based cases from this point forward. If you can't explain why someone is mafia based on their actions in this thread you should not be trying to lynch that person as far as I am concerned. My love, my hero. | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:33 DarthPunk wrote: Don't like this post. If you can write a wall on your schedule you can write a wall on your top scum read. If you know people are at you about activity you have read the thread and therefore should have a scum read. Smart man this DP. Vivax's opening looked really good but where I'm at in the thread now he hasn't really done anything since. | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:08 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't understand this. Your problems with the votes on you is that Oats and I aren't pushing for your lynch strongly enough for you to belive that we actually are trying to lynch you. Koshi miiight be pushing harder but only slightly harder, and probably not up to the standards you are holding Oats and I to. But koshi's vote is ok, because you think he's town. So that means that if you ignore the votes, you already didn't think oats and/or myself to be town? Otherwise we our vot3s could be excused in the way that koshi's is. Can you explain your oats and thrawn reads without talking about their votes? I'm sorta coming around on thrawn, this is a really good point. Djodref's post doesn't look at the reasons behind the votes on him, only what his perceived (and I think mostly unexplained) alignments of the people voting him are. That makes no sense at all as if you're going to condemn one person for doing the same thing as another person, you HAVE to explain the difference or the point is just made up. | ||
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On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town? No, I think DP is town and if I had to lynch between them I'd lynch holyflare, not DP. I can't spend time figuring out why you think the answer to that question has anything to do with GT's alignment, but please explain so I don't have to when I come back. | ||
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Based on that? | ||
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On March 20 2014 23:20 DarthPunk wrote: As do I. But vivax basically claimed scum. Can you explain how so I can just sheep it and go afk? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4tluOGV.png) Not only this rayn thing, DP also pointed out the thing where Vivax had time to write up his entire schedule but no time to write a few sentences on a scumread (which he must've had formed in order to have a scumread, so it's not a reading issue). Also, Koshi promised me to lynch vivax if he hadn't posted 40 posts. | ||
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On March 20 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote: Excuse me for not wanting to eliminate a player on information that looks wrong to me. Do you disagree with DP's point? See here: On March 20 2014 08:33 DarthPunk wrote: Don't like this post. If you can write a wall on your schedule you can write a wall on your top scum read. If you know people are at you about activity you have read the thread and therefore should have a scum read. | ||
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On March 20 2014 23:43 Holyflare wrote: You mean the thing i had already said about vivax before he posted that? Sure So what's your problem then? This is a glorious wagon. | ||
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On March 20 2014 23:46 Oatsmaster wrote: I claimed busy. Why didnt you push a lynch on me then Palmar? Because I'm cool like that. | ||
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On March 20 2014 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh no I didnt. Huh. or that, that's also a reasonable explanation. | ||
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On March 21 2014 00:21 DarthPunk wrote: LOL? if he was lying the several people who checked him on it would have said something already right? Sorta counting on that. This is as bad as that fucking hopeless fiasco. This game is sooo hard to read. | ||
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On March 21 2014 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote: -the post where he angrily wrote out his schedule The schedule he had no problem writing up a big post for, whereas writing on his scumreads wasn't nearly as important. | ||
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On March 21 2014 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote: This. I just went and looked over rayn's point. Like, my only question: would scum do what Vivax did knowing that what he said was easily verifiable? Also try out this logic: sometimes as a townie if I'm not fully caught up yet, if I'm to a certain point and I think someone is mafia, I'll then open their filter to see the stuff they say - and sometimes some of the stuff they say occurs AFTER the point where I'm reading to because I can read a filter faster than I can read a thread. Like, I haven't seen Vivax explain this because I haven't looked, has he even tried? But that's kinda not the point. Vivax found time to do the following a) read the thread well enough to have scumreads b) write a long post about his absence but not time to c) explain his scumreads. He could easily have done c) instead of b), but he didn't. | ||
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Would switch back to giggle if needed, maaaybe djodref. But vivax is a good lynch. | ||
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On March 21 2014 06:10 Koshi wrote: Also this is IMPORTANT: VIGI DO NOT SHOOT ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I disagree, vigi feel free to shoot giggle/djodref or any lurker of your own choosing. | ||
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On March 21 2014 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote: It's obviously an intricately designed torch. Back on page like 60-something (late 60's I think) I complained about not getting any credit, you complained about people scumreading you and I asked who you thought was scumreading you, you never provided an answer I'm still interested in your answer. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar talk to me about Hopeless. Why does he call VE mafia and town in the same sentence? Because VE is probably scum, but honestly, there's no way we can deal with VE scum tomorrow, we need to lynch GT. | ||
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No, there is an easy outside possibility HF is scum, but it's not until our current pool of scummy people starts to prove bad that we need to really worry about it. For now HF I don't really care, HF can't control the lynch in a town with me/rayn/kosh anyway. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does it make sense to you mafia didn't try to do anything at all on D1 (as you assume GT is scum)? Sure, why not? The only person who actively fought the vivax lynch was HF and I don't think it's very likely he's mafia, it's possible, but sorta unlikely. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like VE just bussed and bussed while there were alot of possible lynch targets to choose from? VE had no thread presence, him bussing or not bussing had no influence on the outcome of the day. If VE is mafia it makes sense for him to bus as he could not possibly defend the Vivax. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar you're AGAIN wrong about my alignment. Like...you are literally saying "Yeah I agree with VE's reads - so he's probably scum" Do you understand how I can't take that seriously? You're going to have like 2 days to prove me wrong, so it doesn't really matter does it. I have no problems with your reads, well you felt strongly enough about vivax to paint him green in that thing, but I can hardly blame you as I had him leaning town at the time. If you're town, prove it! | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Like this is why I'm appealing to rayn instead of you Palmar - because HE is more likely to listen to reason. You've made up your mind, wrongly, again. I've proven that I can change my mind on you, you just need to actively play the game, which seems to be something you just don't do anymore. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I do more things these days I'm watching Vikings tonight! claim busy IRL = mafia. ez game, ez life, ez lynches. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't bus unnecessarily. metametametameta So maybe rayn and I are wrong! You didn't bus Vivax at least! | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I'M NOT SCUM AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! JUST STOP Your filter is 5 pages. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:21 Koshi wrote: his unvote was too quick. He didn't check the evidence yet but he unvoted so quickly while he was so certain about giggletummy. I also have a feeling he was looking for a lynch outside giggle and djodref the entire time. DP actually didn't join the GT wagon until quite late I think. That's the weirdest thing he has done this game, because I recall him being very convinced GT is mafia, but he didn't join the wagon until late. But then again, he instantly jumped the Vivax thing, so he looks quite good for that. Not to mention the dude has a huge filter, no reason really to start thinking about him as mafia unless we start lynching townies. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think this post is really really terrible. If it's actually true it isn't, but if I want to know if it's true I have 2 options, wade through DPs filter, or ask HF to explain it and he's almost as bad as you at explaining so I'm going to do neither and stick with the plan. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:36 Holyflare wrote: just check my meta! No one gives a shit about your meta. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:38 Holyflare wrote: he doesn't hesitate, he joins giggle straight away without commenting on the case he spent the entire game waiting for and that case agreed with all his points so he should be voting for a townish read, he gives conclusive reasons that djo is scum but is voting for the guy that agreed with his points and made a case that he didnt look over or question? isn't that odd to you? I am almost certain he joined giggle like 30 pages after I voted him or something ridiculous like that. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:39 Holyflare wrote: your point was shit and it just said "hes afk" which is 0 scum tell because slam is also afk and we think he's town so no, that's not a reason Fuck you HF, my point was perfectly valid and still is. And it was not he's afk, it was the manner in which he is afk that matters. It's not scummy to be afk, however scum always feels like they must appear to be contributing, so when they aren't quite ready to contribute they claim they will contribute. However, as I already explained it is really difficult to contribute as scum so it tends to not get done, or get done improperly. Don't try to make my point something it isn't. If my point was that he was afk then wouldn't I be lynching slam? or possibly Oats? or whoever else has been mostly absent. | ||
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HF: I went back and checked. I tempvoted Giggle on page 54 and properly (mspaint) on 67. rayn voted him on page 63. DP voted giggle on page 89. That does not count as instantly in my book. | ||
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Do you think it's reasonable to assume mafia was afraid the djodref case (which at the point of DP's vote was not even being talked about for the most part) would pull ahead of the GT case? GT was ahead and being pushed very, very heavily by me and rayn who both are quite good at getting what we want. | ||
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On March 21 2014 08:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: because noone wanted to lynch Djo over GT besides the people who were already on Djo On March 21 2014 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: And all the influential people are on GT. Sniped, but pretty much this. | ||
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On March 21 2014 09:03 Hopeless1der wrote: WHY DOES THE DJO LOGIC APPLY TO ME HOLY Because you agreed to lynch giggle, helping him gain more votes than djo. | ||
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On March 21 2014 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote: why am i expected to go after djo? is that not the premise of his accusation? No HF's point is based on djo flipping mafia. And he's saying you joined the opposite wagon to protect Djo your scumbuddy. | ||
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On March 21 2014 09:33 Koshi wrote: DP shot by SCUM. Vigi shouldnt do shit. Let cop and doc do stuff. We got blueclaims that get handy. We get blue results. Vigi should not fucking shoot. He is going to hit a blue. I guarantee it. We are not misslynching 3 times with 4 blues running around. vigi can shoot every other night, I see no reason for a vigi to not shoot now. so he can shoot again at n3. | ||
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On March 21 2014 09:35 Koshi wrote: It's like palmar shooting suki in default suspicion mafia. I promise it will be like that. Not like it mattered in the end so who cares. Hell assuming the power roles are all in the game the cop can claim tomorrow and just lead town while mafia prays they can find the medic before the cop clears too many people for town to ever come back. | ||
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On March 21 2014 14:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: i say i shoot Plammer just because. The only thing you'll shoot at me is your load because of my orgasm-inducing intelligence. | ||
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The reason I'm so insistent on getting the answer is that I don't think anyone was. In fact if I recall correctly people were being like super reasonable about him being afk, and then he comes back moaning that people have a scumread on him, which seems like massive oversensitivity about his own alignment. | ||
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HF makes a silly case. Hopeless thinks HF might be serious and says the case is not very "scoopy doo", which I take to mean "not very townie" Hopeless mentions some random game where he claims HF opened with a similar case HF says in that game he was bussing so Hopeless should follow him anyway. I don't think this makes Hopeless look bad at all, especially after he explained his position here: On March 19 2014 22:49 Hopeless1der wrote: basically i didn't want you trolling like what you pulled in cultured so I got on your case as soon as I saw you doing ridiculous things. The Phoenix Wright stuff looked like pregame-plan, or you draw really well really fast. Based on the adventures of kiterayn, I don't think you can draw that well on demand. Your case on DP is based on his pre-game assertion that he dislikes hydras and was at one point willing to /out because of it. You used a mindset that can't be assigned to an alignment and when DP was consistent with it, tried to spin it to make him look scummy in-game because it allowed him to push scum-agenda. This is after you call your read But I'm the bad guy for taking you even remotely seriously. I think I said at the time I liked this post, and I still do. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:46 Holyflare wrote: You think I don't know that telling someone to sheep me because I bus/or am right is trolling? You can quite clearly see in my posts that I jump to serious as soon as he mentions scooby doo This here is the important part: Timeline of events. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OxHXUlR.png) | ||
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Oats you're not supertown like last game, can you fix this please? | ||
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Hint: there is a wrong answer. | ||
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On March 19 2014 05:54 Koshi wrote: ____________________Towniest town that towned in town who all scum fear filter starts here_____________________ On March 20 2014 02:03 Koshi wrote: I would like to add officially that Palmar is the towniest town that towned in town. Did KOSHER just contradict himself on day 1? What does this mean? We'll have more at 10. This is Pálmar reporting for fox news, back to you Holyflare. | ||
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On March 21 2014 22:29 Koshi wrote: You played a lot with thrawn? Don't you remember thrawn as a person that likes to solve the game? If the answer is yes. (which it should be) Could you quote me some thoughtprocess thrawn added to this thread that helped us solve the game? My problems with thrawn are: 1) He used the shitfeast between HF and DP as a reason to not care about this game. 2) He is playing DS 2 and can't concentrate on this game. 3) He gave Hopeless a random townread. In thrawn's defense he called holyflare's posting shit and I think that's a giant towntell. | ||
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On March 21 2014 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar explain this Hopeless thing to me. I still think he is not helping finding mafia, just sitting here and saying nonsense. He can make cases as mafia and he can draw conclusions from posts as mafia as he did at the start of the game. Why is he town? Has he helped other than voting for someone (which does not matter if mafia guys are inactive as you assume bcz there is nothing you can do in that place)? Town Hopeless tries to help. Mafia Hopeless just sheeps something or claims mafia. I just did, I think the entire case on him in the beginning was insane and he responded okay to it. He sheeped like a good sheep on the vivax wagon. If you wanna go meta I don't recall him helping much more in Slaps game than what he's doing here. Now I didn't really read him that well in Slaps, and I don't use meta that much, but at least I can't really see any drastic difference. He also had good reads, and I mentioned as much. I don't think he's supertown or anything, but there is no reason to worry about him at the moment. | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote: I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. Does anyone actually believe this? No one commented on my glorious "Nobody fucking reads the thread again" case. | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i think you become more useless the more people town read you Are you saying I'm making a big mistake not calling his mafia? | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: My reason still better than yours. Deal wit it. Your reason wasn't even a reason. In addition you have like 5 pages of filter so all your opinions are invalid lazy scum. Also, you _still_ need to answer me that question I've asked you like three times and you keep missing because you're not reading the thread. | ||
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On March 22 2014 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah - you still calling me scum so I'm not doing shit for your benefit. <3 And you think the best way for you to change my mind is to antagonize me instead of answering a very simple question? | ||
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On March 22 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote: If this is what you're referring to, all of Giggletummy, tehpoofter, yourself and rayn (implied, not explicit) thought I was scum. Oh you answered. Now please go and prove these things. I don't think I called you scum, in fact I think I specifically pointed out it wasn't alignment indicative. So show me where these people called you scum. | ||
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On March 19 2014 07:55 Palmar wrote: An observation doesn't have to be weird. I could make the observation that VE has basically just left the thread, but I don't think it's particularly alignment indicative, he has been quite shit on early days as town in recent games so it doesn't make him scum. On March 19 2014 21:01 Palmar wrote: Promising content and then not delivering used to be VE's no1 scumtell. Like every time he delayed adding content he was mafia. However he's been really shit early games lately so whatever, I'll wait until he's here. | ||
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On March 22 2014 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I never lied about anything. You're wrong. If I'm exaggerating, then that's one thing - a thing I do ALL THE TIME REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT. But at the very least Giggletummy and poofter had me as scum, and those were the "iffy people" I was referring to when I made the statement I assume you're questioning. You're wasting a LOT of time on this when I'm here interacting with the thread and participating in discussion - all things you've been bitching about me NOT doing all game long. I don't have to tell you how frustrating this is. Giggletummy doesn't mention you until page 100. Not even a single word that I could see. you said this: On March 20 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar you haven't mentioned a single point I've raised about anyone or anything. I don't care if you're butthurt about not being listened to, at least you're being townread for it. I'm being scumread by people who should know better and you don't hear me bitching. on page 69. So that's a lie at least, so those "people who should know better" are literally rayn/poof? | ||
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On March 22 2014 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar do you think VE can be mafia if GT is mafia? Sure, why not? And it's not like GT has flipped yet, so I don't see much point in the speculation. There's great value in showing why VE is full of shit. | ||
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On March 22 2014 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does mafia VE make a case on mafia!GT or say "hey i have not read the thread fully i just sheep rayn on this GT thing" before making a case? Maybe he doesn't give a shit, maybe we're wrong on GT, maybe he's going for the bus his entire team strategy. I don't really know. It's irrelevant, no one is going to lynch VE tomorrow anyway, but if I get shot town will forget about this. I'm just doing my best to get as many points across as I possibly can before the night ends. VE overreacted to very light pressure, and imagined up a few more people being suspicious of him than actually were, and now he lied about who was suspicious of him at the time. It's important stuff. | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE can you answer Palmar about the people you said were suspicious of you at the time he pointed out? Who were those people and why did you think they were suspicious of you? He already did, his answer was here: On March 22 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote: If this is what you're referring to, all of Giggletummy, tehpoofter, yourself and rayn (implied, not explicit) thought I was scum. Which I have shown to be false here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21039285 and here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21039393 He is indeed right that poofter called him mafia, so there's that. | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: omg Palmar whatever. I'm literally just ignoring you the rest of the game. Then I'll have to lynch you. Do you think my line of questioning you is unreasonable? What am I missing that makes it perfectly logical for you to claim people thought you were mafia, even when they didn't. Like you're saying things that aren't true, and I'm the idiot? | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar if you get shot tonight i am not forgetting your filter. People do forget, town hero does not. I'm expecting a salute for my service and a speech announcing that I'm gone but not forgotten if I die. in mspaint, of course. | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I was referring specifically to you and rayn. But I wasn't calling you mafia... | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:50 Hopeless1der wrote: on phone so cba checking but if we're talking about the same post i think i specifically said it wasn't alignments indicativeyou were saying how usually VE would be scum, but VE is a porkchop eating nubcake who's day1 play has fallen off a cliff of questionable activity. Iuno...the amount of time he spends bitching about it bothers me but otherwise the paranoia makes sense from VE. | ||
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On March 22 2014 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not why you look bad - what I'm saying is that you're not commenting on my content whilst simultaneously saying I haven't been providing content and instead am "prepetuating" this shit with Palmar when all I wanted to do was NOT TALK ABOUT IT. EXPLICITLY. If I had said things that can be proven false I'd probably not want to talk about them so I'm with VE here | ||
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On March 22 2014 03:14 Hopeless1der wrote: would you agree that VE is prone to exaggeration and paranoia as a player Yeah probably but he tried to back his claim up with stuff from the future. That has nothing to do with paranoia. Whatever we can deal with it later. | ||
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On March 22 2014 09:31 DarthPunk wrote: What? Why the fuck would I shoot holyflare if I was scum. That was a perfect anti-town argument. Holy was clearly not getting me lynched and that would have been great for me to shit up the thread with him if I was scum. Chill I did not say I wanted to lynch you, it's just something worth noting. I don't believe in associative evidence anyway so you're fine. | ||
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On page 69 VE posts this: On March 20 2014 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar you haven't mentioned a single point I've raised about anyone or anything. I don't care if you're butthurt about not being listened to, at least you're being townread for it. I'm being scumread by people who should know better and you don't hear me bitching. I immediately respond (same page) Slightly later in the same conversation VE mentions my read on him being shit, when I point out that I don't really have a read on him at the time, he clarifies that he means a historical read. On March 20 2014 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm talking about historically - the last two games we've played together you've called me scum in spite of my contributions. Just because you can't recognize good logic when you see it doesn't mean I'M bad, and just because I'm not posting as much as you'd like doesn't make ME wrong. I'm not referring to your read on me in this game, I'm referring to your "read" on me in general. It's pretty abysmal bro, no offense. When I read the post above, I think it is pretty clear VE is aware that I don't have a read on him this game. This is important for later. I poked VE to answer my simple question, or what should have been a simple question, both on page 116 and 134. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21034421 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21036082 In the end I manage to extract an answer. This is VE's initial answer. On March 22 2014 01:01 VisceraEyes wrote: If this is what you're referring to, all of Giggletummy, tehpoofter, yourself and rayn (implied, not explicit) thought I was scum. So apparently the 4 people thought he was scum. I'm going to concede two of them to VE. Poofter did in fact draw that venn diagram with VE on the scummy side, and rayn sort of flip-flopped back and forth on VE throughout the day (I cba checking rayn's enormous filter to see if the timing matches up). The other two, I have shown to be false, and in fact, now I have also demonstrated that VE was at the time fully aware that I did not have a scumread on him (based on our interaction where he starts shitting on my historical read on him). I had forgotten about that part when I was trying to not yell at him during the night. For readability's sake I'm not going to quote post for post the interaction during the night, but here's the post where I summarize and link to the posts where I show that he is incorrect about GT and me calling him out. On March 22 2014 02:09 Palmar wrote: He already did, his answer was here: Which I have shown to be false here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21039285 and here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21039393 He is indeed right that poofter called him mafia, so there's that. Ve responded by showing more people that were calling him mafia, to further back up his point: On March 22 2014 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, you can say that I'm just making shit up all you want - the fact of the matter is that several people have stated that they would lynch me - people of questionable intention. That was my observation, it wasn't a fucking lie, and you're bad for pursuing this to this point. I've spent a half of an hour on this bullshit that I could have spent filtering people or talking to people but instead I'm doing this asinine bullshit because you've now convinced rayn of something that's completely untrue. I'm not going to go into detail, but he is entirely correct about thrawn, he had already mentioned poofter, but the Oats part comes on page 90-something, so it's irrelevant for the original claim. I'm not going parse the yelling VE did at me during the night, if he's mafia he's an asshole for antagonizing me and if he's town he's an asshole for assuming I won't take reasoning. Like the point is that, if VE at any point just said "Oh, guess not that many people were scumreading me, my bad!" or anything in that direction, I'd have been okay with it. But instead he defended his stuff in the past based on things that aren't true, and when I pointed that out he threw out more stuff that isn't true, all the while antagonizing me throughout the entire game. Dude's mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2014 19:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey palmar, do you think im the towniest town that ever towned? No, I think that title belongs to me, or koshi, but you'd have to ask him. | ||
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On March 20 2014 10:24 Hopeless1der wrote: small chance of bus i guess but the amount of bs in the thread because of the early game makes me think one (and only one) of them is scum. Does this still apply Hopeless? | ||
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On March 23 2014 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote: you're the towniest town that ever towned in town? I'm totally not telling you. You should know. | ||
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But I'm fine with sheeping whatever you want to do today, we have mislynches. | ||
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VE's answers today are just ugh... It's actually possible he's just awful and town. Slam is a coinflip. Djodref is a good lynch but that would mean everyone on day 1 was mafia HF wanted to kill DP, but seeing as DP wrote the post that made me not hesitate going after vivax idk hopeless looks more shitty today, but he's too carefree to be mafia. Oats idk. And tbh, everyone, or almost everyone alive has good claims to be on mafia wagons on day 1, so I think we have to look at reasons instead of just looking at who was on what wagon at what time. this is how I see mafia day 1: ![[image loading]](http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44588000/jpg/_44588470_buses_crash1_512.jpg) | ||
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I did point out to him that he was being like far less supertown than in the last game, but I'm not entirely sure that makes him scum because his history suggests that being useful is the anomaly rather than the rule with him. It's weekend, reading filters is hard work. | ||
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raynpelikoneet 504 Holyflare 432 DarthPunk 376 Palmar 293 Koshi 228 thrawn2112 212 Hopeless1der 202 VisceraEyes 145 Oatsmaster 92 Djodref 88 Giggletummy 66 Tehpoofter 66 Coagulation 63 Alakaslam 48 Vivax 40 I don't think it's very relevant but who knows. | ||
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And tbh if push comes to shove I'll probably sheep rayn over anyone else. | ||
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On March 20 2014 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I also want to play more but I cannot wrap my mind around the last 2 pages at all. We should be lynching into Giggle/Djo/poof today. at least 1 scum probably more. Anyone not voting for one of these 3 is playing in an antitown manner and shall be shunned. On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Why arent we lynching Djo? He's calling people town for having a bad read. + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote: Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter. His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it? Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking. The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that. Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo? On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense. On March 20 2014 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I prefer to lynch Djo over GT. I dont think GT is town. (read entire conversation above) | ||
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Consider my vote to still be on VE in spirit! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dQ7rJz4.png) | ||
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VE doesn't mention Oats until page 141 in the game, but to be entirely fair he does so to call Oats out. However Oats randomly popped up on VE's "would not lynch" list on day 1. | ||
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On March 23 2014 23:11 Koshi wrote: Palmar, the cases GT made on VE during D1 and during N2 doesn't make you a bit more hesitant about your VE read? You think those were buss cases? I don't know. neither of the flipped scum called me mafia I think, does that make me mafia? VE said things that aren't true. aka lied. It's a good reason for lynching him. Do you believe GT legitimately thought he had enough influence in town to push any kind of read he himself was the originator of? | ||
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Can't we vig/check him? It's like completely pointless to even try, there is nothing in his filter that says anything about his alignment. | ||
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On March 23 2014 23:23 Koshi wrote: Maybe not, but scum shot Holyflare. Where does that leave GT today? He couldn't have known rayn would shoot him. GT still went hard after VE during the night. GT would've been lynched today is the assumption I'm working under. I even said as much that we wouldn't have time to deal with VE today because GT was such an obvious lynch. On March 21 2014 08:04 Palmar wrote: Because VE is probably scum, but honestly, there's no way we can deal with VE scum tomorrow, we need to lynch GT. Like I tend to not believe anything scum says when they think they're about to die. | ||
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On March 23 2014 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, if you do not believe Oats is mafia then you MUST believe Djodref is mafia because otherwise Oats' play makes no sense from town pov. So we are not lynching Slam, we are lynching Oats or Djodref. I have no idea why this has to be true. Oats being town and wrong/bad on djodref is entirely possible. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them both being scum. | ||
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On March 23 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is generally REALLY all over the place as town. He is not here. I doubt he has done nothing but bussed his teammate but it's entirely possible he has done nothing but tried to lynch a townie, because everybody was accusing mafia on D1. Yes I get that, the point I was making that if Oats is NOT mafia, that does not mean that Djodref is 100% mafia. | ||
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On March 24 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is not true because if you think you would lynch Holyflare before me and Palmar are dead you are imagining things. to be fair I said during the night I'd lynch HF over DP. | ||
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On March 24 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: THAT'S THE POINT. Noone was going to lynch Holyflare over 10 other people in this game. Why did he get shot? There is literally no reason he got shot unless DarthPunk is mafia, or some scrubs like Djo/Slam are mafia. Which we are going to find out now. DP is the biggest reason I voted Vivax on day 1, I think the chances of him being mafia are almost none. Reading into the night shots seems dumb. If I'm mafia why wouldn't I shoot HF? It's super obvious what HF's tunnel was through the entire game. If DP is mafia keeping HF alive was only doing him good, his filter is huge from arguing with HF and HF wasn't even winning the argument. | ||
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On March 24 2014 00:32 DarthPunk wrote: WHy the FUCK would SCUM beg for a COP CHECK!@!>?!??!? Because if you're scum you know you won't get one until at least 2 nights from now (slam will be checked tonight). It's moot point. | ||
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Not particularly useful. | ||
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However, Oats hasn't really done much in this game other than defend mafia. And not to mention he's a good policy lynch for claiming busy IRL, that shit is scumtell no1. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v5zV06Y.png) All the scummy people are on Oats. | ||
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Sure it does. Wanna last minute switch to VE? | ||
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On March 24 2014 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't even know who got lynched because of Palmar's vote. *sigh* It's 6-4. djodref is dying. | ||
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On March 24 2014 05:33 Djodref wrote: But you cannot admit that you lied to Palmar  Say you exaggerated. It's much better owning up to it than just ignoring me. I'm perfectly reasonable to people who are actually willing to talk to me. | ||
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I'm not convinced Oats is mafia. | ||
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I really don't know. | ||
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Like unless you think I'm mafia with Oats, he's town, or his partner did not give a shit, or DP/thrawn is mafia. | ||
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On March 24 2014 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: This post is pretty bad Palmar. I thought VE was mafia? Yes that's the point. Oats was about to get lynched. the counterwagon = koshi/rayn (confirmed townies, or close in koshi's case) + thrawn/DP (I think both are town) + Oats (on his counterwagon, normal). So IF Oats is mafia, he is probably the only mafia on that wagon which means he _should_ have a partner somewhere that could hop onto the djodref wagon to save him. I end up being the one who makes the switch and saves Oats, and I'm not mafia, so my observation is that no-one of poof/VE/hopeless/slam had much interest in saving Oats, and I was sorta working under the assumption mafia is in that group, probably VE/slam or something. | ||
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On March 24 2014 05:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right i actually get what you are saying in that post. Well i have said all the D2 DP is mafia so.. Could be, that would mean mafia convince me to lynch mafia | ||
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I don't really think I need to reconsider it with VE/Slam alive. I'm more unsure about hopeless but meh. | ||
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So maybe thrawn/oats scumteam for full "busyclaim" team. | ||
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check slam, lynch him or VE. ez game ez life. | ||
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I don't think there's any point in withholding the checks any more, if we have a cop. | ||
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That leaves 5 people alive. so we get the 4th kill, which is lylo if we somehow haven't hit mafia before that, otherwise we get another lynch the day after that assuming hopeless's claim is true we have slam/rayn/hopeless/koshi clear, one of them will die tonight. that's 3 confirmed townies even in case in the 5 man possible lylo, so it cannot be a lylo, and even then we have 2 confirmed people in the 3 man lylo that follows because scum can only kill 2 out the 4 confirmed. | ||
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No need for doc to claim today. | ||
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Killing VE is a fun activity for all the family. | ||
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On March 25 2014 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am interested in this Palmar because if there is a medic CLAIM we win this 100%. It does not mean they have to be the real medic. So you might want to elaborate on this statement. I have no idea Why would the doc claim? I mean unless he's about to get lynched, but in any case, why not let him take a shot at protecting tonight? | ||
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btw short days please. | ||
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On March 25 2014 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Palmar we literally win the game if the doctor claims, mafia or town. So why not? I don't see how but I'll take your word for it. I'm not the doc, if that's what you're insinuating. | ||
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On March 25 2014 08:26 Tehpoofter wrote: Can we do short days? Like is that something we can do? Sometimes when the game is basically over and we're autolynching like this hosts shorten the day to 24 hours. | ||
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On March 25 2014 09:09 DarthPunk wrote: Hey guys. I caught two scum last night. Claude Monet (Alignment Cop) -Because everyone confuses you with Manet all the time, you've developed a way to check who people are, and know everything about them, if "everything about them" means "whether they are scum or not". Each night you may send in a target to check. I CC Hopeless. I checked oats on night one and he returned town. I checked palmar on night two and he came back red along with Hopelessider They are the final scum. GG They are the final scum scum. GG. Makes my day easier ##Vote DarthPunk I don't really care, you can lynch me first if you for some reason believe DP's claim. | ||
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"BUS EVERYTHING, ALL THE TIME". Thank you based DP, you convinced me to vote for your scumbuddy. | ||
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On March 25 2014 17:42 DarthPunk wrote: LOL you are dead when I flip palmar so keep talking shit No I'm going afk, this champions game very hard. | ||
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On March 25 2014 18:10 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I am willing to concede but I won't unless my partner wants to. This is really bullshit though. No way dude, we're riding into the sunset together. | ||
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On March 25 2014 18:42 DarthPunk wrote: I'm sorry palmar. Claiming was stupid. My fault entirely. I was gonna make them earn it, then you went and confirmed Koshi. What asshole. | ||
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I really wanted to try as mafia this game, but it's just so hard when half your team refuses to play. Thanks for trying DP. | ||
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On March 25 2014 18:47 DarthPunk wrote: People just don't try when they get scum It really sucks. Last game it was Artanis basically did nothing all game. This game it was vivax and Austin. It's like the scum team is half of what it should be. This makes it super hard to balance games. Town had a plethora of power roles, but if Vivax/Austin had actually bothered to play, they were our two strongest power roles and could've really fucked this game over. | ||
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On March 25 2014 18:49 marvellosity wrote: wow Palmar fooled me good Day 1 I think I did okay for the most part, obviously I wish I had been able to push away from the Vivax lynch, but by that time I was mad at my team. | ||
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On March 25 2014 19:03 OdinOfPergo wrote: Scum QT is truly pretty sad 90% of it seems to be "POST MOAR" Edit~ Noting for myself later.. Palmar's scum advice - post. a. ton. 100% town reads all game. It's solid advice. | ||
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On March 25 2014 19:39 thrawn2112 wrote: it' so easy for scum to bully me into townreading them. i hate it and tbh it's a little embarrassing i stand by my claim of my newbie reading skills. people are always suspicious of that. Sorry about that bro | ||
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If koshi had died and rayn didn't have another bullet that would've given me a shot I guess. Also it was unfortunate that our two inactives had our good roles. | ||
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If koshi had died and rayn didn't have another bullet that would've given me a shot I guess. Also it was unfortunate that our two inactives had our good roles. | ||
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On March 25 2014 23:07 geript wrote: Oh god no. As town, be town. You don't need to look scummy, you don't need to do anything else. Find people to push for good reasons. +1 good wagons and sheep good wagons. There's literally zero reason ever to try and look scummy. geript you are the light in my life at the moment and you know why. | ||
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On March 26 2014 01:19 Vivax wrote: Those guys in twitch tv chats sounded enthusiastic about joining us. Soon we will have fun with newcomers in the hundreds. Time to ask some russians in Dota cyka blyat | ||
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On March 26 2014 01:41 prplhz wrote: I also remember we had an attempt with Palmar smurfing a newbie game and trying to make it go in a good direction so it didn't just become a train wreck from day1, don't know how succesful that was but just looking over the player list of that game here it looks like a bunch of those players stuck around. It went okay, we messed up though by not telling BC (scum coach) there would be a smurf veteran in the game so I basically solved the game on day 1 and the game ended up being a bit of a steamroll. | ||
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Like if we could've redistributed our roles we wouldn't have had to been afraid of cop checks, or we could have killed koshi etc etc, it's a tiny buff for mafia and it just helps with the huge swing that gets created if for example your roleblocker is lazy. | ||
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