EPTOn March 21 2014 01:27 Giggletummy wrote:
HF is still mafia (Yes. Mafia. I don't vote for people and write cases on people that I don't think are mafia)
Besides the early stuff that nobody likes, some more specific items. Holyflare loves comparisons to past games, meta, catching people because they aren't playing like they did here or there or whatever. Read his filter here, read his filters elsewhere, he's a big big big fan of comparing games.
He uses that to slip in awful comparisons. One of the major things he was in my arse about early was really small mafia. For those who didn't play in or read really small mafia, there were seven players. In an instant lynch game. 2 mafia, 4 votes = dead on D1.
Flare is really concerned about me writing a case on him and voting him, despite being more hesitant there.I answered this, but want to push it a little harder. rayn may not want to be a teacher, but I'll stand at the blackboard and ask the class, "Class, why would someone be more hesitant about cases/votes in a 7 man instant lynch mini than in a larger non-instant game?"
Well garsh teacher, maybe because those two styles of games are entirely different. Maybe votes mean more in an instant lynch game, especially a tiny one. Maybe the comparison is quite flawed, because the differences are easily explained by setup differences.
Again associative, but HF also just slipped during this Vivax stuff. Not "no why does this mean anything", but a really specific post he made.
Look children, a mafia post!
(1) "How is it a slip when a town did the same thing in titanic 2"
read that. Read it read it read it. How is lying about timings scummy when one time a town did the same thing? HF knows better than this, 100%. Everyone does. Sometimes townies slip, lie, do dumb things, get lynched. But more often than not, when someone gets caught lying in a read, or lies about their reasoning, it's because they're mafia. You lynch most liars because most of the time, lying serves mafia more than town, they're more likely to lie, blah blah blah.
Mixed in with the rest of HF's response is this. How is lying about your reasoning behind something a mafia trait when here's this one instance of a townie doing the same. If we didn't lynch anyone for things that a single townie had done ever, we'd never lynch anyone.
This was an off-the-cuff post, not well thought out, and it shows that HF is trying to use terrible logic when things go awry today for mafia (if vivax mafia).
(2) "Not to mention 60 is 40 pages in"
This means nothing, and is just pure speculation about what someone meant by the number 40.
(3) "not to mention you are scum"
Followed an hour later by DP now being town.
Mafia are most likely to slip up when shenanigans happen or some giant bomb gets dropped in thread. HF slipped up here, not by just half-defending vivax, but by doing it entirely wrong. Here's a 100% empty post, with a bad comparison to a single past game (a townie can lie so don't lynch for lying when there's not a townie reason to lie), some nonsense about what 40 maybe means, and then (and no, this doesn't really matter, but for the sake of neatness I like that this whole post is invalid) a continued tunnel of DP that then gets reversed.
It's very, very likely that HF slipped up here. Which means it's very very likely that Vivax is actually mafia, even if the timing stuff weren't very very damning.
HF is still mafia (Yes. Mafia. I don't vote for people and write cases on people that I don't think are mafia)
Besides the early stuff that nobody likes, some more specific items. Holyflare loves comparisons to past games, meta, catching people because they aren't playing like they did here or there or whatever. Read his filter here, read his filters elsewhere, he's a big big big fan of comparing games.
He uses that to slip in awful comparisons. One of the major things he was in my arse about early was really small mafia. For those who didn't play in or read really small mafia, there were seven players. In an instant lynch game. 2 mafia, 4 votes = dead on D1.
Flare is really concerned about me writing a case on him and voting him, despite being more hesitant there.I answered this, but want to push it a little harder. rayn may not want to be a teacher, but I'll stand at the blackboard and ask the class, "Class, why would someone be more hesitant about cases/votes in a 7 man instant lynch mini than in a larger non-instant game?"
Well garsh teacher, maybe because those two styles of games are entirely different. Maybe votes mean more in an instant lynch game, especially a tiny one. Maybe the comparison is quite flawed, because the differences are easily explained by setup differences.
Again associative, but HF also just slipped during this Vivax stuff. Not "no why does this mean anything", but a really specific post he made.
Look children, a mafia post!
(1) "How is it a slip when a town did the same thing in titanic 2"
read that. Read it read it read it. How is lying about timings scummy when one time a town did the same thing? HF knows better than this, 100%. Everyone does. Sometimes townies slip, lie, do dumb things, get lynched. But more often than not, when someone gets caught lying in a read, or lies about their reasoning, it's because they're mafia. You lynch most liars because most of the time, lying serves mafia more than town, they're more likely to lie, blah blah blah.
Mixed in with the rest of HF's response is this. How is lying about your reasoning behind something a mafia trait when here's this one instance of a townie doing the same. If we didn't lynch anyone for things that a single townie had done ever, we'd never lynch anyone.
This was an off-the-cuff post, not well thought out, and it shows that HF is trying to use terrible logic when things go awry today for mafia (if vivax mafia).
(2) "Not to mention 60 is 40 pages in"
This means nothing, and is just pure speculation about what someone meant by the number 40.
(3) "not to mention you are scum"
Followed an hour later by DP now being town.
Mafia are most likely to slip up when shenanigans happen or some giant bomb gets dropped in thread. HF slipped up here, not by just half-defending vivax, but by doing it entirely wrong. Here's a 100% empty post, with a bad comparison to a single past game (a townie can lie so don't lynch for lying when there's not a townie reason to lie), some nonsense about what 40 maybe means, and then (and no, this doesn't really matter, but for the sake of neatness I like that this whole post is invalid) a continued tunnel of DP that then gets reversed.
It's very, very likely that HF slipped up here. Which means it's very very likely that Vivax is actually mafia, even if the timing stuff weren't very very damning.
I like this post on Holyflare actually.
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