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On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious.
How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch?
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On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch?
Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.
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On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop.
Where?
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On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where?
Nevermind. It's not relevant.
One question:
Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?
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On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.
Yes this is actually true.
But i still don't think Dandel is mafia.
How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?
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On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1?
Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that.
I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip.
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On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel?
eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that.
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On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip.
I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today.
But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.
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On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that.
Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?
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On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that. Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start?
I mean, by your definition (what you said about Dandel), shouldn't you read Robik as mafia because he did not defend VE who was a "terrible lynch"? Or what's different in your opinion in this situation?
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On March 11 2014 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:40 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched. Yes this is actually true. But i still don't think Dandel is mafia. How do you read Robik on D1 based on what you just said about Dandel? eh still townie. He stayed on the fence until the end of the day but he voted for Killing so he gets credit for that. Do you think he pushed Killing's lynch, especially based on the fact he called VE a terrible lynch at D2 start? I mean, by your definition (what you said about Dandel), shouldn't you read Robik as mafia because he did not defend VE who was a "terrible lynch"? Or what's different in your opinion in this situation?
Oh I completely forgot about that. It was really strange when Robik called the VE lynch terrible the next day after being split on who to kill day1.
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Can you make a case on your top scumread Grack?
It doesn't matter who it is.
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On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip. I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today. But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.
I can double check but I don't think he was pushing me entirely for killing VE, but for my play as a whole. If he is actually trying to shift all of the blame for the mislynch on to me then perhaps I misspoke.
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Also before you do so could you answer my question about JAT?
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On March 11 2014 21:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2014 21:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the Templar lynch. We would probably be a lot better off lynching into Dandel or Boone. Ok, could give us a more general view of this game? Also, please give reasons for those 2 targets. There's not a lot of other people really to consider. I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel. I think that you are probably too active to be scum, but I haven't actually bothered to filter you. Slam is town Boone just defends herself a lot and has one of the shorter filters/it seems kind of strange that her reads didn't change after the night kill. Not really the best way to PoE but I think the chances of her being mafia are pretty high when you compare it to everybody else in the game excluding myself. Dandel's vote is just really suspicious and deserves a lot more attention than it has gotten. Dandel didn't mention anything about VE or Killing all day long and kept talking about sticking to the Templar train and then he switched at the very last second. If he thought Killing was town and VE was mafia then he should have been in thread trying to push people into lynching VE over Killing like I was. To say nothing and then kill VE is suspicious. How is it more suspicious than to actually push for a VE lynch? Because he didn't want to be seen as pushing for VE and then changed his vote onto VE at the last second and came out the next day and said he thought Killing was town. If you think Killing is town then you say, "I think Killing is town" when he is getting lynched.
The problem with this is how fast it went down. He probably didn't even have the time to justify his vote. Apart from that I don't see how voting without justification would make look less suspicious.
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On March 11 2014 21:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip. I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today. But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works. I can double check but I don't think he was pushing me entirely for killing VE, but for my play as a whole. If he is actually trying to shift all of the blame for the mislynch on to me then perhaps I misspoke.
He has been pushing you because you "forced a mislynch on VE" and because "Killing's read on you was fishy" and because "you havn't done shit".
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And because you defended Killing on D1.
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Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine.
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Which is most likely why he wants somebody else to do it.
@last point
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