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On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.
I take it you have seen Palmars scum game? It has to be lurk city by your description. If you expect scum Palmar to be lazy I don't really follow your townread here.
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Dandel i don't think the last point is a good one because mafia!Grack would know there is no way you are going to get lynched so what you say does not make sense from mafia perspective. Every single mafia in this game knows i am town and therefore you will not get lynched today no matter who pushes you.
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On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine.
You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest.
well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't.
nope. It's not the same.
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On March 11 2014 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.
I take it you have seen Palmars scum game? It has to be lurk city by your description. If you expect scum Palmar to be lazy I don't really follow your townread here.
It generally is either lurk-city or spreading lots of suspicion without saying why somebody is scum when it comes to Palmar.
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On March 11 2014 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dandel i don't think the last point is a good one because mafia!Grack would know there is no way you are going to get lynched so what you say does not make sense from mafia perspective. Every single mafia in this game knows i am town and therefore you will not get lynched today no matter who pushes you.
I honestly don't know what this means? Are you a cop? Did you check Dandel Ion?
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I refuse to answer that question Grackaroni.
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Well then I'm voting Dandel and I urge other people to vote him as well.
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On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same.
Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still.
I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time.
The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.
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On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same. Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still. I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time. The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.
ahahahah this is 100% true 
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Grackaroni have you played a game where Dandel was mafia?
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On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same. Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still. I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time. The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.
Regardless of votes I think it was pretty obvious that the lynch was between Killing and VE.
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On March 11 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni have you played a game where Dandel was mafia?
No I think I played with him in one game where he was town.
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Lol Rayn you are usually a stickler for vote justification. You don't think Dandel Ion's actions are even remotely strange?
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On March 11 2014 22:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same. Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still. I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time. The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all. Regardless of votes I think it was pretty obvious that the lynch was between Killing and VE.
There was a time when it looked more like templar/killing.
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On March 11 2014 22:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Lol Rayn you are usually a stickler for vote justification. You don't think Dandel Ion's actions are even remotely strange?
I think Dandel is one of the easiest players to meta on TL and i can't believe he is mafia in this game based on meta.
I don't think his vote on D1 was too suspicious, yes, it was strange, but i find people who bitched about the D1 lynch more suspicious / hypocrite than people who straight up admit they were wrong / didn't do enough and don't twist shit regarding D1.
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Fuck meta. I've won as scum by going, "oh no. I'm such a bad scum player there's no way I could be scum right now." I've also won as scum from people going, "Grack is good at scum. he wouldn't just afk day1 because people were suspicious of him"
What I know is that Dandel Ion made an incredibly suspicious vote. That is still suspicious regardless of how he is expected to play. I normally like meta a lot but some things just trump meta and that last second vote switch is suspicious as fuck.
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Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.
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On March 11 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.
Who me?
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