[M][T] Foundation Mafia - Page 109

austinmcc
03-03-2014
06:20 PM ET (US)
OH CRAP HOW ARE WE GONNA POST PAINT PICS HERE? OR GET ANYTHING DONE IF WE'RE JUST SUSPICIOUS OF EACH OTHER ALL GAME. OR READ THIS QT CUZ IT WILL PROBABLY END UP VERY LARGE.

AKAEHRKLAHFKAERJHEAR

Anyway, also hi to killing. rayn and I always seem to be suspicious of each other, especially when we're both town. We'll see if things play out differently this game.

austinmcc
03-03-2014
06:22 PM ET (US)
Since nothing is going on, random musings and suspicions about QT.

Possible there's a mafia member in here, UNLIKELY that you guys are both mafia.

Possible we want to bring this QT to the attention of the thread, but at least FOR NOW, I'm happy to keep it a secret and see if we can use it at all. Secret QT = distraction, and it's possible we can use this to push lynches we agree on without it distracting thread.

(in the first place it was announced Killing was in the group with me and austin instead of boonetown and host corrected it, that's why austin's confusing posts)

austinmcc
03-03-2014
06:25 PM ET (US)
Well, hi boonetown and NOT killing. We also haven't played together, so same thing. I've only been half paying attention lately, you just played in a game or two, right?

raynpelikoneet
03-03-2014
08:57 PM ET (US)
Hi austin! Why no pictures in thread? Also any early reads?

boonetown
03-03-2014
09:17 PM ET (US)
Well hello!!! Got a late start on this, my apologies!

austinmcc
03-03-2014
10:14 PM ET (US)
/m6

Adding pictures to nonsense thread is bad idea. No real early reads. Palmar is a non-issue for today imo, we watch his N1/D2 or so, unless he's ridiculously inactive today.

No reads atm. Would like to kill Slam and Grack in order to get a more legible thread, but not because they're scummy.

raynpelikoneet
03-04-2014
04:32 AM ET (US)
Did you read my posts in thread? Especially the second one?

raynpelikoneet
03-04-2014
05:16 AM ET (US)
I have a question ustin. Do you think it's a good idea to use this QT yet?

raynpelikoneet
03-04-2014
05:17 AM ET (US)
EBWOP: austin

boonetown
03-04-2014
12:17 PM ET (US)
I absolutely think this should be talked about, in fact i posted about it. I feel like this mason group isn't going to help town. Rayn I think you're great and I feel like you're town, Austin, I don't have much to say to you at this point in time, but I don't think you're trying to help town at all.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
12:51 PM ET (US)
I think it's a good idea to use this QT.

I don't have anything PARTICULAR in mind as far as what we use it for. It CAN be useful for more than discussion, but right now I think it's just a nice discussion tool and not used for setting up plays, etc.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
12:54 PM ET (US)
Oh wtf. Just got to you posting about the mason group.

I think that's a spectacularly bad idea, because town is not helped at all by knowing there's a mason group at this point. Town goes "okay," and scum goes "well now we can watch these players a little harder" (if they weren't already in the mason group)

Why reveal?

austinmcc
03-04-2014
01:32 PM ET (US)
ROUGH GUT BUT COULD BE BEING MINDGAMES

JAT not scum if anyone in here is scum.

Easy to fake curiousity and ask questions, but I dunno that he'd think of it and he seems GENUINELY frustrated and curious about things.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
01:39 PM ET (US)
Plz do answer in here what you think town gains from being told about the QT. And maybe what scum gains.

And why town gains more than scum. Or something. I'm really interested in your reasoning behind revealing to get a better read on you.

boonetown
03-04-2014
02:16 PM ET (US)
I revealed for a few reasons, one is because I need town to trust me, and letting them know about this seemed like a great way for them to do so. At this point in time, they do not know that it is a permanent QT, and maybe that is something that you would like to tell them? Right now, all of town is against me and they need to not me, I can be very helpful and useful further into this game. I am frustrated because I sincerely didn't realize how hard a forum game would be, and how easily words would be taken the wrong way. I am looking scummier by the second and I know this... so what do I do? I did what I thought would be best. If that upset you, I'm sorry but I think they should know about this group. The specifics might not be as important as the knowledge we exist.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
02:32 PM ET (US)
If town don't trust you and you're town, you just play. You hunt scum, you do whatever you think is good for town, and you'll look townier.

I guess...I don't think revealing the QT makes town trust you. You drop this weird thing into thread, people will talk about it, but ... why would you doing that make you appear townie? What does town GAIN from knowing about this QT? I'm not going to tell them permanent, I 100% don't think we should, as that is GOOD information for scum to know (there's a group of perma-masons) and doesn't actually help town imo.

If you're town, don't worry at all about me being upset or anything. It's a silly game, and in 10 hours I'll have forgotten and will be posting paint pics of why rayn is scum and smelly and whatever. If you're scum, still don't worry about upsetting me. No worries no worries. (Except if scum you should be worried because we gonna lynch your team)

austinmcc
03-04-2014
02:49 PM ET (US)
Boone, are you still as townie on Palmar as you were previously?

boonetown
03-04-2014
02:54 PM ET (US)
I want Palmar to post more, to maintain his townyness, but for now I have no reason to take him off the list just yet. He's a little lower than a few people tho. I really think Rob is town, and I'm pretty sure Templar is mafia.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
02:57 PM ET (US)
kk. does kind of everyone thinking GG is mafia bother you at all?

boonetown
03-04-2014
03:20 PM ET (US)
Not really, because it's further into the game and people have openly explained why he's scummy. Secondly, how come when even more people were raging about me being scummy, you didn't say the exact same thing about me. Instead, you voted on me... that's super contradicting.

boonetown
03-04-2014
03:27 PM ET (US)
I didn't mean you voted on me, I meant that you didn't come to my defense and left it at that. My wording was incorrect.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
03:36 PM ET (US)
Cuz the situations are different (and also I don't think I'm defending GG?)

GG is getting called mafia for essentially doing NOTHING
You were getting called mafia for WHAT YOU HAD DONE, and were also active

austinmcc
03-04-2014
03:39 PM ET (US)
There's also you calling out GG early on, then everyone talking about him, and you not commenting on them calling out the dude you think is scum. Granted, there's nothing new from him to discuss, but it's odd to me for someone to be silent about the person they're voting when that person starts to really bubble into the thread's discussion.

So you have an opinion on GG, which i'm interested in. I don't care about other people's opinions on you, early or now.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
03:45 PM ET (US)
Slightly odd question, do you fully believe that I should have had the same reaction to people calling you scummy and people calling GG scummy?

Also, I have now asked you a couple questions. Any more for me?

boonetown
03-04-2014
07:13 PM ET (US)
Here is why I think you should have been more concerned for me than you were, if you are town and hope that I am also town... we are in a mason group together than last the entire game. If we can determine that we are both or all three town, this is a very useful QT. So, you should have wanted to know why people were jumping all over me, especially for the reasons they were. For you do say you dont care about other people's opinion on me seems really weird. You should care.

boonetown
03-04-2014
07:29 PM ET (US)
Also, can you explain to me "what I have done", seeing as tho you seem to have the same opinion as a few others. Which is that I had in fact done something to make me look scummy.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
07:54 PM ET (US)
You posted. You posted about liking VE, not wanting to RNG lynch yet, posted some response to people.

GGTemplar hasn't responded to anything.

When compared to GGTemplar, "something" is posting and actually speaking on your own behalf. I don't mean you did something scummy or townie or whatever, just that you actually DID THINGS. That makes you getting attacked an entirely different character than GGTemplar getting attacked. You minorly fought back, he doesn't. People were on you because of a POST, people are essentially on him at this point for posting nothing.

austinmcc
03-04-2014
07:56 PM ET (US)
Yes, I would like to know the alignment's of everyone in here.

But what non-host people think about your alignment doesn't matter to me early on D1. You're not getting lynched 12 hours into the game. You're not town or scum for being attacked/not being attacked.

So people attacking you may tell me something about THEM, but it doesn't tell me much about you, poking at them doesn't determine your alignment for me. I may OUGHT to care about what they think about you, but I don't when it's the start of the game, and I don't think their thoughts affect your alignment.

raynpelikoneet
03-04-2014
11:34 PM ET (US)
austin i have no idea what you are doing right now..

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:20 AM ET (US)
There is literally no fucking reason to use this QT until there is a confirmed town in here. That's not possible on D1, so don't use this thing, post your shit in thread.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
01:06 PM ET (US)
/m32

How exactly do you propose we figure out if there is "confirmed town"?

You just want 1 of us to wait until the other 2 flip, and if they both flip town, THEN that one person can use the QT?

And you want to do that...despite not knowing exactly how this QT works? We don't know if other people join the QT when one of us dies, or any nonsense other stuff. We're in here, may as well use it.

boonetown
03-05-2014
01:24 PM ET (US)
I'm basically confirmed town now, but I'm dying either way. So, you two need to figure out if this QT is a good thing or a bad thing. He's right, we have no idea if i'll be replaced once I die, but even if I'm not, it's just you two. So figure it out. Rayn I'm convinced you're town, and I'm super grateful for it... Austin, I'm pretty sure you're mafia.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
01:37 PM ET (US)
Which is cool but I'm still not mafia.

You're NOT confirmed town now. There are no magical confirmed townies.

What do you think of Killing's thoughts re: you throughout the day?

austinmcc
03-05-2014
01:51 PM ET (US)
rayn, if you were a thug this game would your name be Koshi?

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:01 PM ET (US)
rayn rayn, I'm actually really interested in this, just for a moment.

(1) /m36 ?

(2) If no, how do you propose we magically confirm people in here?

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:02 PM ET (US)
Jesus austin, you need to start making sense. On D1 there is no fucking reason to use this QT because there is supposed to be no "hidden info" as we don't have extra info unless someone is mafia nad wants to push their own agenda. WHY IS THERE POSSIBLY A QUESTION ON D1 THAT THE WHOLE THREAD DOES NOT NEED TO SEE, OR HOW IS IT BENEFICIAL TO TOWN???

If you can answer the bolded part i retract from all my bad thoughts about you.

My name would be Koshi, Koshi is <3

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:04 PM ET (US)
AUSTIN SHE CLAIMED MEDIC, NOT A DOCTOR!!!

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:12 PM ET (US)
(1) Koshi
(2) Medic

Now what?

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:16 PM ET (US)

/m39 WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? AREN'T THOSE THE SAME THINGS?

/m38 YOU UNDERSTAND ME?

There are TONS of questions that the whole thread doesn't need to see. Maybe I want to figure out boone's alignment in secret. Maybe I want to confirm a read with you or boone without using the thread. Maybe we do shenanigans.

I guess to me, it's not about identifying a SPECIFIC THING that is good to put here, but more...if conversations AWAY FROM THREAD were NEVER HELPFUL, then we would never use unconfirmed mason pairs, we would never send PMs in PM games, ... there are SO MANY TIMES that unconfirmed masons and PMs and information outside the thread can be useful.

Even if not useful...it's a THING. I don't want to get a shiny car and go "oh man, it MIGHT not get me to Croatia. I better not ever use it." It's up to US to figure out HOW we can make this beneficial to town, if that's the only time you're ever willing to use it. Not to just fold our hands D1 and go "gg never useful no use."

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:17 PM ET (US)
/m40 now i think i understand you a little better if you're not lying. I think? I dunno. It's hard to tell with you.

If there's a difference between medic and doctor, I'm 100% unaware of it. I've always seen those roles used interchangeably.

Apart from that, we figure out who to lynch and we lynch em and they flip red.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:25 PM ET (US)
Austin she has not played a forum game on TL before, where the fuck else are doctors called medics?!!?!?!?!?!?

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:28 PM ET (US)
Wait....you are trying to say that because she used a particular terminology, the claim is truthful?

I NO LONGER UNDERSTAND AT ALL

I thought you meant the claim was important because she's a medic and NOT a doctor, like medics had some different ability that we could verify or was better or something. I don't think the specific role a person claims matters here, although if you can argue that I'm all ears.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:31 PM ET (US)
Yes, that's what i am saying. Of course there is a possibility someone told her what to claim or she requested a fakeclaim or something but look at the post. The claim is buried there somewhere, it's not the MAIN FUCKING THING IN THE POST like scum fakeclaim.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:31 PM ET (US)
Man, how can you even entertain the possibility it's a fakeclaim. SERIOUSLY?

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:32 PM ET (US)
When do "newbie" scum make fakeclaims like "oh here are my 1000 reads and btw i am also a medic."

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:33 PM ET (US)
I did a little flavor research. In the Foundation series, Bad Shit will happen if Main Character doesn't get a group of luminaries together and compile all knowledge into some books. Essentially, Group (The Foundation), is gonna try and stop some future suffering.

It later comes out that there's ANOTHER group of dudes who are ACTUALLY teh people who are gonna stop some future suffering. They're the Second Foundation.

The Foundation tries to kill/destroy the Second Foundation.

Based on flavor, we're town. Especially especially if we've got a doc or something in here. THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING TO RELY ON BUT SOMETIMES IN WORKS IN THEMED GAMES

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:35 PM ET (US)
YO I AM A PARANOID MOFO AND YOU KNOW THAT. I don't trust D1 claims with hours to go when the person has been acting questionably during the cycle.

I have seen newbies fake roles, not often, but sometimes. The list is short I think. I don't think there are hard and fast rules for players as a whole to claim in certain ways though, from what I've seen, certain players claim in certain ways, or under certain amounts of pressure, but I don't like a generalization that reads + tacked on claim = claim true.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
02:40 PM ET (US)
The thing is the claim is not the main part of her post!
If she is mafia he would be going "DONT LYNCH ME IM A MEDIC here are also my reads maybe", not "Here's where i am at, also btw i am a medic".

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:42 PM ET (US)
I disagree on that. I've seen mafia fakeclaim with throwaway claims before, it just depends on the PLAYER for me.

Do you agree that there either ARE or ... have to be, some decent uses for this QT? I don't think it's possible that you believe nobody should ever speak outside of thread unless the person they speak to is confirmed.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
02:48 PM ET (US)
Why should templar hang over Killing? I think it is ... not infrequent that people make lists with more scum than town on them. I KNOW i've noticed it in the past, but do not have a specific example to grab and show you.

I'd rather someone provide EXTRA scumreads with reasons than...less. His scumreads also seem...not mafia-aligned to me? Who goes after VE but not really. Who attacks palmar on specific fluff grounds, then fights about fluff for 10 posts?

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
03:00 PM ET (US)
because killing is going all out on me which is the fucking stupidest thing to do if you are mafia. other than that they are quite equally scummy, templar retracted from his scumread as soon as i pointed out his shitlogic.

boonetown
03-05-2014
03:03 PM ET (US)
here's what I will say, if there is a mafia between them, it's probably killing and not templar, but i sincerely dont think either of them are mafia.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
03:05 PM ET (US)
ugh...

austinmcc
03-05-2014
03:06 PM ET (US)
Killing's not even ... tunneling you.

You DO like to talk shit, yes, often about things you find to be shit. I don't think it's wrong for someone to call you out on it, especially if they haven't played with you much, OR EVEN IF THEY HAVE.

Where does he go all out on you? He's had far far more posts on Slam and Boone being mafia.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
03:33 PM ET (US)
i am done with this retard ggtemplar, just kill him.
good night.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
04:04 PM ET (US)
I hate that return post by killing SO MUCH.

Hi guys, I read what you guys thought was scummy and...OH MAN IT'S SO SCUMMY.

I promise to contribute more though and do what I can! ------> ______________________

boonetown
03-05-2014
04:25 PM ET (US)
either joey (killing) is super fucking town, or his forum play is 1000% different than his video mafia play.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
04:28 PM ET (US)
oh no, QT ninjaed!

I was actually curious about your specific kill read, but posted in in the thread

boonetown
03-05-2014
04:40 PM ET (US)
austin wtf are you doing. do you even read what people write? or just ask questions because you're lazy

austinmcc
03-05-2014
04:51 PM ET (US)
I DO read what people write.

GGTemplar just posted an ACCURATE REPRESENTATION of killing's stuff.

You're saying he's apologizing and that's townie, but he's apologizing for...FABRICATING READS (A THING SCUM DOESSSSSSSSSSSSS). At the same time saying he understands the game and is gonna scrap some of his reads. At the same time saying he DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE GAME.

His posts are so incredibly contradictory, and all we're left with is "Everything I've posted is bad and made up."

austinmcc
03-05-2014
04:57 PM ET (US)
Like...you have said your reads keep changing, you have no idea what's going on at times, people are making this difficult and confusing, etc. etc.

Killing is saying:

(1) I had no idea what was going on
(2) My response to that was to MAKE THINGS UP
(3) I know now what's going on
(4) I will play different

I would argue that (2) is NEVER A TOWNIE THING. Whether you own up to it or not, townies get confused and go "wtf this game is confusing." They don't go "i don't understand this game right now so i will MAKE THINGS UP." I would also argue that (3) is...PROBABLY ALSO A LIE/MISREPRESENTATION. He's been entirely absent, magically returns and understands the deep inner workings of the game? He knows everyone's alignment? He's not confused anymore?

HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? Especially given he didn't say how he magically understands things now, and has presented a sum total of nothing since magically understanding things.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
05:24 PM ET (US)
I don't think VE is the super worstest lynch.

But man I really want to lynch killing.

I still see NO explanation for things that...need explanation. Now he has reads on 3 people, but doesn't post them until he's asked, doesn't have a scumread, and essentially APPEARS to have not read thread and not have any reads.

If those were legit, he should have...you know, told town he had reads. Without being asked.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
06:02 PM ET (US)
plz be scum.

flip flip flip

austinmcc
03-05-2014
06:03 PM ET (US)

THIS POST WAS ALL EXCITED THAT WE COULD USE THE QT TO POST DURING SILENT NIGHTS

THERE ARE NO SILENT NIGHTS

THAT IS ANOTHER GAME

THEREFORE, THIS POST NOW STANDS AS A MONUMENT TO MY MULTI-GAME SHAME
Edited 03-05-2014 06:04 PM

austinmcc
03-05-2014
06:08 PM ET (US)
NOW EVEN MORE SHAME CUZ THIS ***IS*** THE SILENT NIGHT GAME.

AND HERE'S WHY WE REALLY REALLY REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE OUTED OURSELVES BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A HUGE ADVANTAGE. TOWN HAS 48/72 HOURS TO TALK.

WE HAVE 72/72.

SUCH A GIANT ADVANTAGE AND NOW MAFIA CAN SHOOT US AND WE WON'T HAVE IT AND THAT MAKES ME SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

austinmcc
03-05-2014
06:10 PM ET (US)
Unholy fucker of mothers how did we not remember that and notice

austinmcc
03-05-2014
06:16 PM ET (US)
I am interested in hearing from each of you the most suspicious VE voter and the most suspicious Killing voter.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
06:21 PM ET (US)
(I checked just in case, we ARE allowed to talk during night phases)

So...yayayayaya let's post!

boonetown
03-05-2014
06:55 PM ET (US)
I'm really upset right now, I think a lot of my reads are being flipped because i feel bad and think that I screwed up as town. So, I will talk as much as I can the next 24 hours because I think I'm going to die. I already know who I want to save, and I'm not going to out it in here in the off chance there is a mafia here who can meta it. I'll talk about VE after I read his filter, I suggest you both do the same if you're interested.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
07:04 PM ET (US)
Yeah, don't reveal a save target.

BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP BUT TUNNEL PEOPLE -----> your reaction to a mislynch or your reads being wrong is that you're confused and you think you screwed up and you want to fix them.

Killing's reaction to ... not having reads, is to SAY he'll scrap them/fix them, give 3 of the same reads he gave before, not have any scum read, and vote VE despite having no scumread on VE.

If you're really a doc and town, the REACTION to being wrong in your reads is...different imo

austinmcc
03-05-2014
07:09 PM ET (US)
ODD QUESTION:

Did you read my thing about the Second Foundation within the flavor of the Asimov books? Does it...do anything for you?

boonetown
03-05-2014
07:17 PM ET (US)
honestly, it's the reason i didn't push on you harder toward the end.

austinmcc
03-05-2014
07:18 PM ET (US)
I am thoroughly amused by that answer and actually kind of like it!

boonetown
03-05-2014
07:37 PM ET (US)
i don't like it. i don't like that i had such a strong read (or at least what I thought was a strong read) and because you brought up something that might have zero relevance to the game, i voted for someone else. granted, the vote on you wasnt happening... but i dont like how easily my mind is being swayed in this game

austinmcc
03-05-2014
07:45 PM ET (US)
Right, but it's useful for me because either you're playing me hard or townie. So hahahahahahah good for me, bad for you, mwahahahahahaha.

I'm normally a real big fan of making reads, and seeing other people make/change reads, based on...little things or single behaviors.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
11:05 PM ET (US)
fucking terrible lynch.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
11:23 PM ET (US)
/m69 : you and GG, but tbh you are not mafia if Killing is mafia, GG is still scum because the only way Killing gets mad at me for absolutely no reason is if he is scum with GG, that was fucking odd.

raynpelikoneet
03-05-2014
11:24 PM ET (US)
And if that's the case ugh.. Could Palmar be mafia? I have hard time believing Dandel is scum. Or maybe Grack, idk.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
10:17 AM ET (US)
DI will out himself over time if he's mafia. So far he's way way way more involved than scum DI, so I'm fine giving him a pass for a bit.

Palmar COULD be, I have never gone "omg palmar mafia" on D1, but he also tends to kind of...get more apparent as the game goes on. The vote swap, to me, reads kind of town-palmar-y. Fucking with thread for fun and POSSIBLE extra townie motives (see if anyone swaps, what happens), smells okay.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
10:31 AM ET (US)
well if you are not mafia then who the fuck is?

austinmcc
03-06-2014
10:40 AM ET (US)
Other folks.

Killing.

Maybe JAT for some weird reason? Maybe palmar or you if you're lying, because I berieve that there'd be a little balance. Maybe we're all being SUPER TROLLED and it's three video mafia peeps.

I think I still like killing and slam, + someone

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
11:03 AM ET (US)
I wanna kill templar and Killing. templar has basically OMGUSed around all game. That's exactly what he did in Really small mafia as scum.
There is this thing i brought up in thread about Killing. JAT could be scum, you are right.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
11:09 AM ET (US)
Slam is not mafia. Look at Default suspicion mafia and the game before that, ugh, survivor series game.
I am really goot at reading Slam. Especially this post onwards:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4438...-mafia?page=80#1592

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
11:21 AM ET (US)
here's templar's scumgame:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4402...afia?user=GGTeMpLaR
in contrast here is his last town game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4408...tart?user=GGTeMpLaR

The difference is huge. So huge.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
11:27 AM ET (US)
If you actually read templar's scumgame filter you also know why i am so fucking tired of posting when i know he is mafia.

boonetown
03-06-2014
12:29 PM ET (US)
Okay, I'm going to trust you guys on Templar, because I am basing my town read on him due to the fact that he's conveying what i'm used to seeing from him in a video mafia game. He could be doing that, in hopes that people will trust my read on him, and go with it. So, since you have actually played a forum game with him, I trust you.

I do think Palmar is scummy, but again, I don't think he's lynchable because he could just be frustrated with the way the game is going. Totally understandable.

Killing, I really think he's town. He's fucked me over before, but I cannot see him ever being like this as mafia. He's so prideful, has the biggest ego you will ever see and is never willing to admit he's played badly as mafia, this would be a first.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
12:41 PM ET (US)
I still think that there is a HUGE gap between

admitting you played badly

and

admitting you ARE MAKING UP YOUR READS

and that it isn't just saying "i've been playing badly." It's "I understand the game now, despite giving no indication that I do, and no reasoning when or why this happened, and STILL HAVING ZERO SCUMREADS." It's also "I will play townie now, except I won't have any scumreads, I'll use the same reads I was giving earlier that I claim to have been making up."

Like...I do not see him scumhunting. I do not see him contributing. Regardless of his restart or no, he CONTINUED TO DO NOTHING.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
12:50 PM ET (US)
And read ALL of his posts on you again. He's either making up his reads or he's not.

If he's MAKING UP A READ ON YOU, doesn't that bother you? All the video mafia people SEEM to be saying they can tell each other's alignments. It doesn't bother you that essentially he is saying "i couldn't tell anyone's alignments and instead of trying harder or saying that I made up reads"?

If he's NOT MAKING UP A READ ON YOU, then holy crap what is his read? Cuz you're scummy but townie but scummy but maybe townie, except that he never actually grows the balls to call you MAFIA. So many times something is "un-townie" or off or whatever, but he's not able to summon up the nerve to say you look SCUMMY. What is his READ on you in his posts?

He either was making it up, which is strange given that all video mafia people are somewhat focused on reading video mafia people, or he's not making it up, in which case...his read is nothing and it's super scummy.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
03:06 PM ET (US)
I'm running out for like an hour, then want to give this game more attention and be really active here. Will anyone be around? I have another game I need to do stuff in, but I really want us to all chat for like an hour if we can, we haven't taken much advantage of being in QT and we keep talking past eachother.

You guys around in...an hour, or two hours? Can we schedule a sekrit QT meeting?

austinmcc
03-06-2014
04:07 PM ET (US)
plz? anyone anyone?

boonetown
03-06-2014
04:42 PM ET (US)
I'm here, sorry. I have been reading through some filters and compiling a post for the thread if I manage to live through the night. Now that night actions should be in, should I tell you who i put my save on, just in case i die?

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:03 PM ET (US)
I'm trying to think of whether it would ever be bad. Mafia's already acted, so I guess it can't.

boonetown
03-06-2014
05:05 PM ET (US)
But they technically have an hour to change it, if there is a mafia in here... I'll post it with 3 minutes left. They can't change anything at that point in time.

boonetown
03-06-2014
05:06 PM ET (US)
that way, if i'm the only death... that means i might have gotten a save.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:13 PM ET (US)
I am here from now on. boone why do you think if you are the only death you might have gotten a save?

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:24 PM ET (US)
JAT randomly worries me, and i think the ONLY reason is that he's in the middle of the pack for me. Specific things he's done, a lightbulb moment where he goes "oh, maybe QT shouldn't share everything", go in his favor for me. But not much, and he kind of just...didn't do anything that LEAPS out to me D1, and nobody SAID anything about him that leaps out to me.

The first...chunk of his filter is just nothingness. It's chatter, even once discussion and scumhunting start. He's just kinda dancing around with oats/rayn/me/boone after a bit, but he's never SAYING anything, tbh. The QTs come up, he says some stuff about QTs, decides he's okay lynching boone and maybe lynching ggtemplar? (He says he's in agreement with a DI post where DI wants to lynch those two).

He's really interested in the QT. The MOST effort he puts in through half of D1 is questioning about the QT. He's still not really DOING stuff with it, just questions. His dropping the questions can be lightbulb moment or someone saying HOLY BALLS STOP FISHING FOR INFORMATION YOU LOOK SO WEIRD STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOOOOOOOP.

He rebuffs VE wanting to talk about GGTemplar. THEY'RE ALL IN A QT. THERE'S MAYBE STUFF TO DISCUSS? I DUNNO!?

wo;atyihawlkthwTLKET. He's just doing NOTHING. Half-ass questioning boone about me, and her read on me. He's not calling me townie or anything, he's not really...putting together a big attack or case on you boone, he's just sort of dawdling around. Durdle durdle.

This post. What is it. He's halfway attacking rayn, questioning Palmar, but Palmar is attacking Boone, who JAT just attacked in a way, or at least his posts SEEMED like he doesn't agree with her read on me? He was questioning why Boone scummy on me, in a way that made it seem like he disagreed, but then he's attacking someone attacking boone?

He's DOING NOTHING. The boone wagon is rolling so easily...he says but adds nothing more. He says it's unsettling, but doesn't call her town, and doesn't...ugh. Then questions townreads on oats, despite having never said anything about oats ever. The grand conclusion of a burst of activity on oats is that he's going to IGNORE oats, not make a read or anything.

His suspects are all the common suspects. No idea who to lynch, maybe Killing/GG/Boone. Shocker. Won't kill VE (why?), slam (why?), DI (why?)

NEED TO READ PAST GAMES OF JAT. IS HE SUPER LAZY AS TOWN? HE BASICALLY HAS NO VOTE, AND *MIGHT* CHOOSE ONE OF 4-5 PEOPLE TO LYNCH "TO TEST RAYN". THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. THAT'S NOT A REASON TO VOTE A OVER B-E. AND HE MIGHT SWAP VOTE BECAUSE HE'S WORRIED ABOUT VOTERS? EXCEPT HE'S WORRIED ABOUT VE (who was do not lynch before, unclear when this changed), worried about me (why?), he's ... he's moving without any explanation really. Reads are shifting for NO apparent reason.

He's NEVER giving his own reasons for why GGtemplar or killing or anyone are mafia. And he's chippy with oats, like...calling oats out for not making points to convince JAT of something, while JAT never takes the time to make original points against ANYONE.

Check past games. Check to see if he has scum play, if his town play is just to sit and do nothing and use other people's points. Check to see if his vote switch with 2 min to go DID anything. Did he respond to Palmar moving? Is him responding to palmar moving scummy? I WILL LOOK INTO THIS STUFF IF ALIVE. THIS POST IS TOO LONG

boonetown
03-06-2014
05:25 PM ET (US)
in the set up is says 'Mafia KP is delivered factionally.' based on that, i have no idea how many KP they have. I'm used to mafia having 2 KP until there are 3 remaining. We know there are 3 left... so I am assuming (which is probably not the best thing for me to do), that mafia might have 2 KP. They won't double stack me, cause there is no reason to.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:27 PM ET (US)
I DON'T LIKE HIS FILTER ONCE I READ IT AND REALLY I HAD HIM JUST TOWNIE BECAUSE HE STOPPED FISHING BUT MAYBE THE FISHING WAS BAD AND HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT.

His scumreads seem to be nonexistent or built on other people's posts without any particulars. His reads shift for no apparent reason. Not only none given, but i can't think of WHAT happened that would make VE go from do not lynch to "I don't want to vote the guy that guy is voting." There are jumps without reason, that is bad.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:32 PM ET (US)
He's okay with GG, not sold on GG, willing to move to Killing probably. He doesn't want to lynch VE, but he doesn't really find VE townie.

Palmar claims to unvote Killing and vote VE, when they were 4-4 (with VE in lead), making it VE(5) to Killing(3).

JAT, who likes lynching nearly anyone but hasn't ever moved his vote, asks Palmar what to do next. Why? Palmar just came in and did something dumb and Palmar-y. Why is JAT's response to ask PALMAR what next? Then he gets all "I don't know what to do/who to vote"

YOU BEEN CALLIN' 2-3 THE OPTIONS SCUM AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO TO VOTE? IT'S THE END OF THE DAY.

Palmar says to hammer killing. JAT doesn't notice? JAT just does what Palmar says.

WHY IS JAT JUST DOING WHAT PALMAR SAYS ESPECIALLY WHEN PALMAR IS DOING PALMAR STUFF WITH A COUPLE MINUTES TO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WHY IS HE CONFUSED ABOUT WHO TO VOTE WHEN HE DOESN'T SEEM TO CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE.

WHY AM I SPAMMING QT ABOUT THIS?

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:35 PM ET (US)
THIS IS A STUPID THING TO JUST BE LOOKING AT WITH AN HOUR TO GO.

He doesn't really fit with killing though, right? Like...he asks Palmar what to do, he wouldn't vote a scumbuddy just because Palmar says so, unless they're all being weird and scum together. That is stupid. And he doesn't know Palmar is headed back to VE. So it doesn't seem like he would do whatever Palmar wants when that's "lynch your scumbuddy."

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:35 PM ET (US)
/m98: I am kinda okayish with JAT. He did care about the lynch in the end, unlike Palmar and Dandel who should have been leading.
What you described about him in the last paragraph is both of his town and scumplay.
He was mafia in LXIV (before the restart), that's his only scumgame.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:37 PM ET (US)
boonetown mafia has most likely 1 KP, maybe one-shot vigi or something, but unlikely. If you are telling the truth about your claim there is probably at least a roleblocker.

austin why do you think JAT is mafia, he voted Killing after all?

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:38 PM ET (US)
I'll give that a look then. I had him as town in PYP LOL but that's my only game with him.

I don't think it's likely they're together, but I need to be looking over stuff and I want to work on my game and second-guess myself more, try and see if it improves anything. If I list out townie people and scummy people though, JAT just had really weak weak reasons for being anywhere, he didn't make an impression D1, and I don't like that. Looking back over his filter, there's just no commitment to anything for 48 hours.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:41 PM ET (US)
you better not be lying. I will be cross.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:43 PM ET (US)
Anyways in case i die i think templar is mafia, he is so mafia. Killing might be, austin might be, Palmar might be.
I don't remember anything Robik did at the end of the day. I remember him being there but not doing shit, that's odd but he's probably town.
Oats, Dandel, Slam boone strong town.
Grack probably town for leading a lynch. As mafia he trolls or busses. I don't see him doing either.
Rest of the people kinda bleh.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:44 PM ET (US)
Yes JAT could be mafia but for now i would not be too worried about him, at least sort out templar/Killing first.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:45 PM ET (US)
hmm weird, i thought there was more people in the game.. lol
So JAT was the only on who is "bleh".

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:46 PM ET (US)
I want to poke him a bunch tomorrow, or at least stir up votes on him to see what happens.

I haven't looked at past templar games, will get to them after this and then other deadline.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:54 PM ET (US)
SO HEY. WE SHOULD TOTALLY AT THE VERY LEAST SET UP A TIME N2 IF WE'RE ALIVE AND THEN REALLY REALLY REALLY CHAT, RAPID FIRE STUFF PEW PEW PEW

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:56 PM ET (US)
shure! I don't think we die, boone might, but not we because we always think each other is scum and apparently other people think we are scum aswell.
I have the biggest filter in the game and people think i am scum rofl. While i can post that much as mafia there is so stupid content in thread (like 50% - half of the day was wasted in discussing QT's which was dumb as fuck) i would not.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:57 PM ET (US)
austin don't be mafia in case i got killed ok? please

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
05:57 PM ET (US)
Also goodluck!

austinmcc
03-06-2014
05:58 PM ET (US)
whatever you're always mafia

boone possibly dies. I don't THINK i die.

Robik maybe? He didn't influence the thread but was consensus townie. I just...there's not really a frontrunner for dead bro to me.

YOU SERIOUSLY BETTER NOT BE LYING AND I THINK YOU MIGHT BE OR NOT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
06:01 PM ET (US)
I never understand you austin.

austinmcc
03-06-2014
06:01 PM ET (US)
GG LADY AND GENT.

boonetown
03-06-2014
06:30 PM ET (US)
OMG im so mad, I almost saved austin, then flipped to Robik.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
06:31 PM ET (US)
Well that was not a good save, even if Robik is town.

boonetown
03-06-2014
06:47 PM ET (US)
should we keep this secret now? they probably think it's ended and that we can't still communicate with each other.

boonetown
03-06-2014
06:50 PM ET (US)
yeah, originally i thought to save you, then i thought austin, then it was like... rob is the most town for me so i want him around. doesnt mean i DIDNT save him, especially if there is a mafia vigi, or a own vigi that decided to be stupid. but i dont want to bring it up in thread regardless.

boonetown
03-06-2014
06:54 PM ET (US)
well fuck me. i'm an idiot and just accidentally said we could still talk in here. OMG. i hate my life.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
06:55 PM ET (US)
Yeah don't bring it up. Let's keep this as a secret for now.
Is there anything you don't want posted in thread in this QT?
I am at least posting the N1 discussion because it's important people know what austin thought as he is confirmed town.

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
06:55 PM ET (US)
haha well it does not matter

raynpelikoneet
03-06-2014
06:57 PM ET (US)
About your post, yes i get the second part and if you are really medic then yes, it's true.
But in general it's stupid to assume something based on flavor because flavor should never help any faction to figure out someone's alignment.

boonetown
03-06-2014
09:06 PM ET (US)
i totally understand and agree. sorry i screwed that up

raynpelikoneet
03-07-2014
05:02 AM ET (US)
I'm making a case on ggtemplar tonight, hopefully people actually can see what i am talking about. His actions are full of contradictions and he does not attack arguments but people behind the arguments which in itself is a mafia trait.

boonetown
03-07-2014
12:51 PM ET (US)
omg... i'm in another mason group WITH templar and alakaslam

raynpelikoneet
03-09-2014
11:57 AM ET (US)
hey wassup?

boonetown
03-09-2014
01:38 PM ET (US)
Where have you been!?!?!?

raynpelikoneet
03-09-2014
01:58 PM ET (US)
I had kind of a busy couple of days an video mafia. I should be able to reread the thread before night ends and post my reads here! What are your thoughts at the moment?

boonetown
03-09-2014
03:07 PM ET (US)
I truly think I'm going to die tonight so this is the best place for me to get my shit out there I guess.

I think there is a mafia between Palmar and Dandel. I hate how they changed their vote literally in the last minute of the lynch from KILLING/TEMPLAR to VE, ensuring his death. If there is one between the two, I'm certain it's Dandel. Now, I have flip flopped a LOT on Oats and JAT, and so, other than Grack whom i think is mafia, the other possible mafia is JAT imo. I reread joey's filter and he tries really hard not to talk to, or about either of them. JAT is mentioned more than Grack but still very seldom. Templar and Robert are town in my eyes, You're my biggest question mark but I have thought you were town for this long, I dont want to get paranoid and change that read. Alakaslam is another WTF for me but if I had to make an opinion of him on the spot, it would be town. So to sum it up, I think that Dandel, Grack and JAT are most likely scum, with Palmar trailing at the end.

raynpelikoneet
03-09-2014
03:23 PM ET (US)
Killing flipped mafia, there is only 2 mafia left.

raynpelikoneet
03-09-2014
03:43 PM ET (US)
I am watching a movie right now, i'll go through the thread for more detailed reads before night ends in case i get whacked but here's where i am at;

I think JAT is quite obviously town. He's been curious about people's motives and reasoning behind their posts all game long. Same can be said about Oats. While his case on me D2 was laughably terrible that's what he does as town. He was also the first on to vote for Killing. I still think you are town but i honeslty have to say i don't follow you pretty well in thread.

I need to revist my opinion on Dandel and Slam. If i look at them purely by their actions they could be mafia. However i have never seen Dandel put this much effort into the game as town. When he is mafia he just does not post and basically scumclaims. Mayyyyybe Slam could be mafia, ugh idunno. Last game i caught him instantly when he started posting, and it was totally different from his towngames, he tries too hard as mafia and cares about how he looks.

What i just said about Slam applies to Grack. Grack busses, a lot. While he hasn't done much this game he is not pushing mafia agenda. He can get bored as town, but i have never seen him do that as scum. If he somehow is scum there is most likely a vocal scumplayr, but that looks quite unlike to me atm (jsut because people who are vocal and actually do something and push the thread forward are me/JAT/Oats, especially on D2).

Palmar is an enigma. I have no idea what he is doing. He is either not trying at all (which he unfortunately can do as town) or he is mafia. There is just nothing to say about him because i can't form a read on him as he is just.. doing nothing. He is one of the best players on TL when he wants to be and one of the worst (lol) when he doesn't try.. I fucking hate his ply this game if he is town.

One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. Neither of them is acting proactively, they are defensive, do not ask any questions from anyone and are not trying to push the town to right direction. While Robik had some good observations on Killing on D1 he did nothing to push a lynch on him, he just sat back with his vote. Definitely not scum with Dandel. templar is more likely to be mafia from those two. All he does is flings shit on people (qhich is what he does as scum), he has no good arguments and his stance on Killing is really really really fishy throughout all game. Before D1 end he puts Killing as his 4th suspect (why the fuck??) as a "backup scum", on D2 start he says Killing is probably not mafia and he considers him/rob/you in like "one of them is scum but i don't really give a fuck which one", he never does anything to that suspicion, never trieds to push his higher scumreads, and later on just sheeps a vote on Killing, who his top scumread (me) is already voting for. That does not make ANY sense at all. On top of that i made a case on him on D1, he never answered the case. He gave no reasonable answers to any of the points i brought up, that's also EXACTLY what he does as mafia.

Thank god Killing was mafia, now we actually have something to go with.

boonetown
03-09-2014
05:50 PM ET (US)
I understand there are only 2 left, i'm saying between the 3 people I think are mafia, I think the 2 are in there. You and I are reading this game very different, our reads so not on the same track at all. Lol. You have more experience with these people tho, or at least some of them.

boonetown
03-09-2014
08:03 PM ET (US)
i have to let them know about this foundation group i think, and that its still ongoing. cause they are asking about my recent post and why you werent mentioned in it, and it's because it was directed to you in case i died.