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On February 26 2014 06:34 Palmar wrote: Oh I didnt even realize that. Did the first game have that rule? 20% chance to luckbox into a cop kill seems lame. doc can't heal n1 I thought the point of the game was to get dueling cop claims. | ||
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mafia will claim cop on day 1 and if there's no counter, town is SOOL. ---------- Having 2 cop claims on N0 seems much more interesting to me. 2 sets of results on day 1. good stuff. | ||
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- Cop should claim elseif Doc dies N0: - Cop should claim ONLY if he has a redcheck elseif Cop dies N0: - Maybe Doc should claim. Gonna give this some more thought | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:06 Blazinghand wrote: If a VT dies N0 the cop should claim if he thinks it's a good idea. I'd say if he has a greencheck on the dead VT, then he shouldn't claim unless scum is fakeclaiming, because otherwise why bother right Well we'll be @ mylo. So I think cop claims. Then after the inevitable counter we vote no-lynch. Then @ night we can all vote on 1 player for both cops to check (and for the doctor to heal). This does 1 of several things: - If they both say scum then no prob, we lynch scum - If they both say town then we have a confirmed town that we'll never lynch. And it's gonna be someone that people are likely suspicious of - If they disagree and the person is scum, the real cop now knows the whole scumteam - If they disagree and the person is town, that person now knows which cop is legit | ||
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If we are about to lynch scum, there WILL be a doc claim. Then the real doc counters and we end up w/ the claim anyway. @ least if we force the claim early, we're making scum commit to their lie before the fact. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:41 Blazinghand wrote: or, we mislynch and go into N1 with zero chance of survival because scum will just shoot the doctor -.- But we will mislynch if there is no claim. So you're saying that you prefer to put all of our eggs in the docs basket and pray for a hero heal. Cause that's the only way we win if the cop dies night 0 and the doc doesn't claim D1. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote: Yes, if scum is about to be lynched, he WILL claim doctor. Do you disagree?We WILL mislynch if there is no doc claim? Wat. We can lynch just fine if there's no doc claim. The fact of the matter is, if the doc claims and we mislynch we 100% lose N1. You're the one putting all the eggs in one basket by not giving us a second shot at a lynch in case we screw up | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This entire conversation is based on if the cop is shot N0.Yes I disagree because the D1 lynch will be between two 'cops', so the guy we're lynching has already claimed something else. No reason for doc to claim before D2. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: so BH is good townie, xata and artanis slightly less so and I dont really think JarJar is town just for being noob. Explain how I'm being noob please. I think I defended the doctor claim thing pretty well. In fact I'm curious how anyone can disagree w/ me on it @ this point. | ||
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Yeah I get that scum killing the cops target would suck but @ least we'd be getting rid of a townie that people are suspecting. | ||
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This post from Sn0 is scummy to me: On February 27 2014 07:06 Sn0_Man wrote: K, he typod here. Sentence should read as:If I was the medic, and the doc claimed (obviously post n0), I'd probably not protect the doc since scum literally can't shoot the doc. "If I was the medic, and the COP claimed (obviously post n0), I'd probably not protect the COP since scum literally can't shoot the COP. " To me this sounds like a scum mindset. A townie would say "I'd probably not protect the either of the claimed COPs" The way he words it makes it seem like he knows who the real cop is gonna be. | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote: What was I demonstrably incorrect about? Dear JJD, When you get towncred for being demonstrably incorrect about the situation, that doesn't mean ur supposed to keep being blatantly wrong. Sincerely, Me | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote: We can discuss the whole "doc claims if cop dies" debate again if you want but I feel like I won that argument.u were demonstrably incorrect about the claiming logic early game. Which BH was quick to point out meant that ur probably town cuz u didn't think through claims. | ||
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On February 28 2014 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote: did u miss the part where i said "still wrong"? there's no mention of a counterclaim in that post cuz i was wifom'ing the no-counter-claim scenario. in the counter claim scenario I don't think u protect either cop. I saw no indication that you were talking about wifom for a no counter scenario. You said "scum literally can't shoot the [cop]" The only reason that would be true is because of a counter. not to mention the fact that you know there will be a counter since you made this post before roles were sent: On February 26 2014 07:06 Sn0_Man wrote: Of course there will be a counter. Unless maf is hella lucky in which case the cop will be flipped and there's no way maf claim obviously. But by the same token even if maf hit the cop N0, the game still goes on its not like town straight up lose. Now, if maf hit the DOCTOR N0, then shenannies start happening because town can't cop claim anymore (unless they cop-checked scum N0). Alright this is working out. me likey. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:44 Sn0_Man wrote: oke jjd is actively promoting ways for town to lose tho wtf | ||
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On February 28 2014 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote:And yes, you just identified the part where I said u were full of bad ideas and right around there BH chipped in with "well that makes JJD town". So why were you pissed about it? Didn't you think "Maybe he's right"? | ||
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On February 28 2014 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote: Did you indicate this at all?48 hours earlier I believed there had to be a counter. I actually think the no-counter game is playable for scum atm. | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:17 Xatalos wrote: I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on Sn0_Man ASAP. As well as any other possible notable scum/townreads. JJD, you're here, what do you think about my deathpost and especially Sn0_Man (although you've already talked about him quite a bit ![]() Yep Sn0man is my #1 scumread. Though I see no reason for us to lynch today. I'm not as sure as you are on Art but I'd probably put you @ 99% town. Sylencia is the person I'd vote on the cops checking since there's not much content there to gather a read from. | ||
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I actually think I have less of a town read on Xat after the claim. I'll explain after we here from those other 2. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I lied cause I wanted there to be a counter. I figured scum might not counter if everyone was all in on Xat being town.This is a very interesting claim though. Very interesting. JJD why didn't you believe Xatalos' claim? Xat is 100% the cop because if he was scum he'd have no way to know Sn0 wouldn't be the actual cop which would immediately out Xat as the fake (cause he gave him a green check). That logic make sense to everyone? | ||
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On February 28 2014 11:55 Sylencia wrote: Did you post during the night cycle or provide search targets to get feedback?When you don't afk from the night cycle because it's too quiet, when you provide search targets to get feedback indirectly on whether it's a good check etc etc. | ||
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On February 28 2014 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote: No? cops never return roles, only alignments, either green or red. That's not what I meant. If he claims cop and get's countered by Sn0, he cant very well say that Sn0 is lying after he just told us Sn0 was green. | ||
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I'm gonna go ahead and say that both cops check should oats tonight. (though everyone should chime in on this) If we get dual red-checks, we obv lynch him If we get dual green-checks, we @ least know that he has no alt agenda and his reads are legit If we get conflicting reports then we @ least have more information Then I think the Doc should heal Sn0man. It's not the worst thing in the world if oats is town and he gets killed because if that's the case we're probably gonna get conflicting reports anyway if he survives. Best thing that could happen is Art or me gets killed because we're the unknowns and we'd then have the cops data on oats as well as confirmed town in sn0. Plenty of info to help solve the game. If Sn0 is the doc then he can be killed but I don't think scum would take a 33% shot @ getting lucky. thoughts? | ||
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On February 28 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: If both cops come back w/ a red check on you then we lynch you. I think that's a very possible result.I dont even. What? There is much stuff with what jjd said | ||
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##vote no-lynch | ||
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Here's the breakdown: If I'm scum, I shoot Art. - Art Dies - Syl and Xat vote each other - Sno votes for Syl mosy likely - Oats votes for Xat - I hammer Xat and we win And you can switch me and Art for the same conclusion. | ||
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On March 02 2014 03:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Because it was really obvious you thought syl was scum. Do you think im a bad scum player? Because it makes no sense for me to go hard buddy syl as scum when xata looks townier by a country mile and the thread feels the same way. Literally no reason. Think a bit please artanis. lulwat? You thought that xata looked "townier by a country mile" than syl? | ||
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On March 02 2014 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote: So the fact that I'm ignoring the claimed scum, somehow makes me look bad? Like, we all know what the lynch is gonna be dude.Look at how JJD is ignoring syl and instead pushing the next lynch. ##vote Sylencia | ||
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On March 02 2014 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay. JJD you around at 00:59 GMT (+00:00)? isnt that after the deadline? | ||
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On March 02 2014 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Would I tell Syl to claim? nope. Ill probably claim instead even. Of course you tell syl to claim. You're planning on shooting the cop. You dont want Syl to try to bring the game home by himself. Claiming against Xat who was super townie was way worse play for you. | ||
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On March 02 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Way too sure that Xata is cop here without even considering the possibilities for mafia fakeclaiming for Xata. My logic was completely sound. Once Syl shows up and confirms Sn0 as town, eliminating a Sn0/Xat scumteam, it's basically confirmed. | ||
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You say I'm "Way too sure that Xata is cop" I say "No way, he was practically confirmed" thats not the point? | ||
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So you and sn0 make sure to heal the other person and force him to shoot me. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol I dont see how that plan was ever going to work It had a chance of working. | ||
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But I dont see any other option since Oats wouldn't claim a role that he knows confirmed town has. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Right. Can you give me your townie seal of approval before you die? Oats just do me a favor and reread everything from a scum Art perspective first. I'm not really sure if you'll find anything but there has to be something since it's true. Like I said, Art played a masterfull game. I actually don't mind losing a game like this but I'll do my best to try and convince sn0 tomorrow. | ||
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Please wait untill tomorrow sn0 and I'll make my case. I don't really expect to change ur mind but I'll try. I think I have @ least a few good points that'll @ least give you some pause. | ||
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On March 03 2014 12:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's ok. I appreciate you actually taking the time to make a case on me since you probably didn't need to. I get the feeling that you're secretly hoping I put up a decent case against you so you're @ least challenged. Nobody likes winning in a blowout.I'm sorry, that was mean. Just in a gif posty mood. I blame Palmar for starting it in default suspicions. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 02 2014 02:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: Oats is as close to confirmed scum as possible. If Oats is town that would make either Me or Art scum. If me or Art was scume we would just shoot the other person and win the game game the next day after Oats votes Xat Here's the breakdown: If I'm scum, I shoot Art. - Art Dies - Syl and Xat vote each other - Sno votes for Syl mosy likely - Oats votes for Xat - I hammer Xat and we win And you can switch me and Art for the same conclusion. Like if you look @ my posts, I only ever consider oats to be scum. Why would I do that when I know he could be the doc and become confirmed town. But if you look @ Arts posts, he's always leaving his options open. Yeah he's leaning scum on oats. But he never really rules him out. He keeps telling him to make a case against me. | ||
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On March 02 2014 14:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah, but my initial idea was to give sn0 instructions for what to do. I would prefer to execute it myself though. | ||
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On March 02 2014 03:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also there's a plan I have that I don't want to tell until everyone's here because I want everyone to instantly agree to it so scum won't have time to adjust to it. | ||
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On March 03 2014 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I stand by the reasoning I gave and still think the plan wasn't scum favored. In fact even though everyone else disagreed w/ me, there was one person who actually endorsed my plan after I explained it:1. His initial townread was based on very shifty sand. The reason why both BH and Xatalos considered him an early town read was because he created a plan in which he thought the Doc should claim. For some reason, he got a townread because the plan wouldn't hurt scum. Now tell me, how would a plan that is scum favoured probably not come from scum? The too dumb to be scum thing doesn't apply because it is actually a valid plan for scum. Sylencia also wasn't around at the time (His first post was on Page 10, long after this went to the background, so he probably didn't have time to discuss it). The reason for their initial townreads was non alignment-indicative at best. On February 27 2014 09:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh right. In that case doc should probably claim. Oh look it was you. Can you explain why u just told Sn0 that this plan was scum favored if you agreed to it? | ||
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On March 03 2014 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: But I'd know that he was likely gonna get cleared. Why jump on him before the nightphase was over?2. Goes after the low-hanging fruit Sn0_man's entrance was shady at best, and JarJar is the first one to jump on him for honestly the wrong reasons. He goes after the way Sn0 phrases his post rather than its content. Framing townies for making scumslips is something scum love to do. He proceeds to tunnel Sn0 all the way until he gets cleared by a cop. | ||
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On March 03 2014 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 3. The initial plan he had fell through when Xatalos claimed cop. My guess is that he wanted to claim a red check on Sn0 in case someone claimed cop that he could best. He shot BH, an able cop and probably the person with the highest prestige and hoped that the cop wouldn't be one of me or Xatalos. This is my first post of the day and before Xat claimed. I'm asking for copclaims. It's obvious that I wasn't planning to claim myself or I just would have. On February 28 2014 07:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: FWIW I think the best plan is for the cop to claim, we vote no-lynch, and then go from there. Plus would I advocate no-lynch if I was planning to fake a red check? | ||
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On March 03 2014 05:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Again this was before Xat claimed. You just said that this was plan B. A plan that we had to execute after our original plan failed. Well why would I have been setting him up for a bus BEFORE Xat claimed?4. Plan B So now that Xatalos couldn't be counterclaimed by JJD, they had to go to Plan B, which was Sylencia. Sylencia was in a pretty poor state and JJD was bussing him a bit already by asking for a check on him. | ||
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