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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 03:49 GMT
#1136
ok geript is BS'ing right now. That was to gumshoe (anybody who has paid any attention would know that) and he somehow rolls with it and tries to explain the reasoning for it. Come on guys. he's literally making shit up to defend himself from accusations that he didn't make (in this case b/c he misread). Lynch with fire
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 06:47 GMT
#1208
I will be on for the next hour or 2 for now and apart from when I wake up (in which I have not too much time) I won't be around until just under 1 hour before lynch so if anybody wants to ask me something or I have missed something ask me now
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 14:56 GMT
#1324
Ok so atm geript is getting quite a free pass from alot of people and I am curious as to why. His overall play this game has been all 1 tracked and tunnel visiony. I think its ok to tunnel vision on a read and not back off, but after everything this game his attitude has been like that towards everything. There is nothing worse than being scum but a close second is a unsuportive town which will ignore everybody's opinions on everything and just go their own way. These are the only two possibilites that I find possible for the way geript has been playing and in both scenarios they just cause useless confusion in town.

He starts off with his vote on toad for thinking rayn is town. This has been the only argument he has made on toad apart from the one he made a few posts ago. So over the course of most of the game he has provided no reasons for wanting to lynch toad apart from that early thing he keeps blabbing about.
On February 26 2014 10:38 geript wrote:
Mental note: Rayn and Toad very unlikely to be scum together.

Also posts this and when I later call him out on it (and others) he tries making some reasons that are terrible, but again, come after a long time which seems like a common theme from him so far.
On February 26 2014 09:47 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript you need to explain.

No I don't. Look at the reason for the read he gave and don't tell me it's not bullshit.

On February 26 2014 12:24 geript wrote:
##unvote
##vote jarjardrinks

I feel better about this. Rayn explain why.

Whats with all of this about asking rayn why you [geript] are thinking this way? Shouldn't you connect the dots for town and not make other do the work for you?
On February 26 2014 12:48 geript wrote:
As in, I don't give a frak what I look like as town because I'm fraking town. Like it's a really weird perspective to think, "no but it'd be super scummy for me to sheep that terrible of a case" as coming from town because who as town is seriously concerned with their image that much. It's what you do that matters as town and not how it looks.

As happened before, I always find it strange when people start talking about image. It might just be a philosophy thing I have but it still irks me the wrong way.
On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:
@Geript

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.

Apologies if this has been asked already.

Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid?
Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy".
Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"?


@Moc
1 Because there aren't millers.
2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially.
3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type.

Geript,
I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general.
You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent???

Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad.

Toad calls for millers to claim
Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller
Toad says no but he likes the question
Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy.
[b\##unvote
##vote toadescum
[/b]
Also his argument continues to be that he gets back onto the toad scum case and he uses the case the toad is not giving him [geript] an honest read? Please, you haven't given anyone an honest read all game and just tunneling on mostly 1 person while ignoring everything else around you. Hypocritical much?

He makes many posts about toad that are useless so won't add them all since that would just be redundant at this point.
On February 27 2014 12:26 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:25 Balla24 wrote:
Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving.

Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks.


He calls him modconfirmed for no reason really other than a terrible reason and yet he continues to talk about it further...
On February 27 2014 16:50 geript wrote:
Goddammit then look at him and read him again with a fresh mind.

On February 27 2014 16:56 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways.

Fine. Who do you want me to look at then?

On February 27 2014 17:06 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax.

Btw i also think you are modconfirmed town, despite me thinking you were town earlier.
Hosts should never interact with the game in any way and while your modconfirmation is most likely crap there is a chance it's not because it makes sense. So from now on i will make a policy that i refuse to believe anyone who get's "modconfirmed" by stupid hosts or does BS shit like Mocsta is town and if it ruins the game so be it because it's not my fault.

Nope not going to do it. I have a townread on him and I refuse to read any more shazazzly cases on him.

So he tells rayn to look again with a fresh mind but when rayn asks for the same he refuses? Again this is him being one of the worst towns as possible or as scum just trying to keep up the act he has been doing the whole time so that people think because he is to tunnel visioned that he can't be scum.
On February 27 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:36 TheChyz wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.

On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?

I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.

Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.

There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.



There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment.

I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing?


Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right?


you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand?


If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum.

Like I understand coming from GSL that you would think that. I was able to obs the game and my conclusion at the start of this game was the same, but it was only that, at the very start. I don't know how you all play and such so I just commented that Mocsta atm was the only person that gave off a townie vibe. However as the game progresses that same logic can't be applied. Just because he puts more effort is not a valid reason for you to guarantee that mocsta is not scum. Like mentioned by rayn (?) the GSL game was just a drawn out lurker fest which is actually probably the reason why mocsta got so antsy. Stop sticking to this argument this late in the game, its useless.

Nah effort has nothing to do with why I think he's town. It has to do with looking at the game from his perspective and seeing how is reads and thought process evolves. Like him, wave and I were newbies (and experienced newb) together so we have loads of history.

On February 27 2014 12:49 TheChyz wrote:
ok geript is BS'ing right now. That was to gumshoe (anybody who has paid any attention would know that) and he somehow rolls with it and tries to explain the reasoning for it. Come on guys. he's literally making shit up to defend himself from accusations that he didn't make (in this case b/c he misread). Lynch with fire

He even respons to an accusation that I use on gumshoe and goes with it as if it was his own and tries to cover it up. Thats a spewing off BS in my opinion.

If anybody has anything that they have that can support geript as town I hope you make your case cause I'm either tunneling on him way to hard and missing it or I'm right.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 15:22 GMT
#1347
On February 28 2014 00:16 Mocsta wrote:
@Chz
Do you think you are playing differently to
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all

Yes.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 15:25 GMT
#1349
On February 28 2014 00:22 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:22 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:16 Mocsta wrote:
@Chz
Do you think you are playing differently to
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=TheChyz&view=all

Yes.

Whats different?

That game I wanted to be aggressive and use myself as lynch bait to try to find scum. I won't mention what my plan is this game but you can probably realize its not the exact same.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 15:37 GMT
#1355
I'm leaving for school in a few minutes (won't be back till an hour b4 deadline, but will try to post some from school) so I can't really go indepth on them too much. I currently stand with JJD as a null. Cavalinho I have as slightly town. i have posted very little but compared to him its like 3 times as much which is concerning, however the arguments he has made I can usually understand the flow of logic and that makes me feel like he is town. Vivax would probably be my vote if geript wasn't in this game. Maybe tied with suki but I would have to reread his and her filter closer to see exactly who I prefer.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 15:37 GMT
#1356
^ @Mocsta
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:07 GMT
#1644
Ok I'm back. Read some from school but gonna have to skim the last 8 pages or so.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:24 GMT
#1650
Ok so I'm still mostly on the geript track. Nothing he has said has really swayed me away from wanting to lynch him. Nobody has defended him in any way other than saying since he is trying to hard to be so tunnely and not listen to others and his emotion (which can easily be faked) to be him being town. However my argument from before still holds. And even if he is town I think it would be maybe the best mislynch possible since we all know he wont ever change his mind (somebody also quoted him from an irc chat they had with him i believe) and help town unless it goes the way he wants it. He is a parasite to the town, no mater the alignment which is why I think he is still the best lynch target.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:30 GMT
#1653
Mostly just everything in his filter giving off this attitude that its his way or the highway. I'm not opposed to other people being lynched, however I think that he is the best lynch atm so why should I back off. Also his case is terrible and he has stuck to his case which was from something that happened in the first few posts of the game. I'm pretty sure nobody disagrees with me that geript has not been helpful to town.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:44 GMT
#1661
On February 28 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Yeah well I'll give you the newbie benefit cause lynching people you don't find helpful is something you would like to do when you're new to the game.

However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at.

Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc?

Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:52 GMT
#1670
No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:53 GMT
#1674
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:56 GMT
#1684
On February 28 2014 08:55 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?


Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter.

##Unvote
##vote Mocsta

I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 27 2014 23:59 GMT
#1694
On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Yeah well I'll give you the newbie benefit cause lynching people you don't find helpful is something you would like to do when you're new to the game.

However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at.

Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc?

Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will

TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 00:07 GMT
#1706
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 00:14 GMT
#1718
On February 28 2014 09:06 Mocsta wrote:
Sweet

I'm confirmed town now so fuck u all

I don't think your confirmed by any means. you could possibly be a goon and throwing the lynch on you would make suki + any other scum that might have voted for you look more town.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 00:22 GMT
#1729
On February 28 2014 09:05 Aquanim wrote:


Night One

For a group of sophonts who had never experienced great suffering, unrequited needs, or great conflict, the crew developed a mob mentality suprisingly fast.

Suki was the first to be thrown out an airlock.

Suki the Mafia Godfather has been lynched!

Night 1 begins now and will end at Saturday, Mar 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). Remember to send any night actions to all hosts via PM.

[/center]
On February 28 2014 09:06 Mocsta wrote:
Sweet

I'm confirmed town now so fuck u all

On February 28 2014 09:19 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 09:17 Vivax wrote:
Cause you were around deadline but didn't vote for her cause the death of any of you is equally bad for your team, and that when you were at danger of getting lynched by a random mood of Chyz.

Where's your townie self-preservation instinct?

Where is the proof.

I didn't see the flip till 5min after deadline.

This is now beyond stupid

Exaclty 1 minute actually. So that could mean you were just lurking until after the votes were over. just saying. Why so eager to be confirmed town anyway. Show it in your play and others will realize.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 07:17 GMT
#1839
On February 28 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote:
zzz kill ppl not on suki, play adventure with me, relax, win game

Even tho I think this was meant as a joke I think that ultimately this is what this game feels like. I don't think any of the scum have any of the votes on suki since there was not substantial votes on her until the end of the day. Also apart from that basically everybody who has voted for suki I read as being town. The only iffy one in there for me is gumshoe.

Even for the small posibility there is 1 of the scum that voted for suki, it can't be possible there was 2 (I'm assuming 3 scum at least since thats what it usually is, right?) voting for her. Therefore I think for now we treat those 5 as confirmed towns. Along with that vivax for now gets a confirmed town pass from most people (could change depending what happens after night is over). So the only people that should be left to analyze are myself, mocsta, geript, toad, cava, and JJD.

After reading suki's filter more closely I came with a few conclusions. As typical with scum, it is pretty normal for them to have some contact with another scum member in order so that it doesn't really look like they are avoiding them and in order to gain any credibility later on in the game in case they get lynched. A quick summary of her filter is:
alot of talk with mocsta early on, asking ppls opinions on mocsta, I'm her second scum read, tries to make a terrible case on my meta, town read on Wos, goes a bit on vivax by sheeping WoS, again more questions about mocsta, JJD is town read, geript is weird as FU, votes on vivax, asks holy what thoughts on me are (was really random imo), backs off of vivax, jumps back onto me, lynched to death. (PS, she didn't unvote so dunno if her vote still went through, doesn't really matter, but hopefully someone can confirm if it counts or not so i know just in case for the future).

After going through this the only people who are on the list in the last paragraph are myself, mocsta, geript, and JJD. So I think from now on that these are the only people that should be left for town to analyze. I myself know I'm town so for me its down to only 3. But for everybody else I think that town should just focus on these atm as I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.

On an aside, I remember pretty well that suki jumped from a null read to suddenly number 2 read from mocsta... even more strange now that we know suki's alignment.

TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 07:30 GMT
#1851
Cava I don't see what your problem is. I call you out on your inability to follow your own reads and only being able to sheep onto others' reads. You cave last minute and now you have the guts to call me out on taking credit for suki's kill and that I'm scum with her. Like you've been on my ass all game making shit arguments saying I don't respond when I have a few times and now when you do something really weak and flippy-floppy to get your vote OFF A GF you have the guts to say that its MY play thats scummy? Piss off.
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