[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia!

On February 04 2014 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

99% of statistics are pulled out of one's ass. Lynch all liars!!
##vote HolyFlare

On February 04 2014 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
So close.
I was so damn close, and then reroll.

Anyway, ##vote: marv 'cause policy. We can't have someone of your apparent unlynchability running around these parts so it will be my job to draw any and all attention to you as necessary.

On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote:

then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show.

On February 04 2014 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:


Fucking awful. Pushing awful cases for no reason makes zero fucking sense to me.

On February 04 2014 10:59 DarthPunk wrote:


I don't know if he is mafia and I don't care. I want him to die.

On February 04 2014 10:07 DarthPunk wrote:


No one is lynching people just because they annoy you marv.

On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:


Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason.

The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis.

He flipped scum.

the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.

On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:


That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum.

On February 04 2014 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:


No but I think it is true more often than it is not true.

That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments.

So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town and seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything.

Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips.

On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:


Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?

On February 04 2014 11:35 DarthPunk wrote:


What does that mean?

On February 04 2014 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:
That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

What have you don marv? read your own filter.

On February 04 2014 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote

##vote:promethelax

No reason to refuse to answer questions and engage in a discourse if you are town. Further I wouldn't expect the town prome I've played in a tonne of games with to act that way.

On February 04 2014 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tbh marv you have been useless so far.

You have seriously commented on three things (Artanis' scumclaim, DP's rage and townread on iamp) which two of them are not even alignment indicative based on your posting..

On February 04 2014 19:29 DarthPunk wrote:


So basically your ego is bruised that we caught you day one in the last game and you are taking it out on us here.

Cool.

On February 04 2014 19:31 DarthPunk wrote:
##marv

You are voting based on your bruised ego, gave no reasoning for your votes, and have not made a case on either of the people you voted for based on events in the game.

On February 04 2014 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why?

On February 04 2014 19:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah and you didn't even care to answer me.
You said "mafia benefits from chaos and whatever shit", then you call DP out for it when it was clearly Holyflare who caused the thing in the first place. So yes, i want to know why it's only DP's "fault". And now you are being a bitch and doing the same thing here, and i have no fucking idea why.

On February 04 2014 19:49 DarthPunk wrote:


No you. Basically I want to lynch you. And If I get lynched I am shooting you. The reason is the last few pages of your bullshit.

On February 04 2014 19:52 DarthPunk wrote:


Fine. But if I flip out I flip out. Doesn't make me scum.

On February 04 2014 19:53 DarthPunk wrote:


Vig shot.

On February 04 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet

8.raynpelikoneet
3.Holyflare
6.DarthPunk
5.WaveOfShadow
2.iamperfection
4.Promethelax
9.Cephiro
1.marvellosity
7.Artanis

On February 04 2014 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I did not like Holyflare at all in the beginning. It felt like he was doing the same thing to DarthPunk that Artanis did to me as scum in the NMM, which was to piss me off for no reason. Which brings me to this:

-snip-

That being said i like his recent posting much more.

On February 04 2014 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, you made this post:

In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off?

On February 04 2014 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tbh marv you have been useless so far.

You have seriously commented on three things (Artanis' scumclaim, DP's rage and townread on iamp) which two of them are not even alignment indicative based on your posting..

On February 04 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't mind him pushing people based on process of elimination if that's the case.
I find it impossible that he thinks "everyone posting so far (all people but me and Ceph) looks so town".

On February 04 2014 19:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And the thread was filled with bullshit when i got online.
Tell me marv, what was more important in the thread than what i said?

On February 04 2014 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthPunk marv is not mafia.

On February 04 2014 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because he just is not. Do you think he would do this shit as mafia? This is like fucking begging to get shot.

On February 04 2014 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely no idea about what your list means and how you have came to those conclusions.

On December 10 2012 16:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Name someone you find scummy this game.

Can't? Okay. Process of elimination.

On February 04 2014 20:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I brought up Holyflare to clarify what i thought at that time and to clarify why i questioned you about your post.

On February 04 2014 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean there are two possibilities:
1) What i say is right, and Holyflare trolled DP (yes, even in his "serious" case), or
2) What you say is right and there was nothing to drop, which brings me to;

Why did he then drop it? Why did he go after Wave and Prome if there was nothing to drop?

On February 04 2014 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to argue anything marv. I am trying to clarify to you why i said what i did.

On February 04 2014 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You said you consider him to be scummy for pointing out things for the sake of it. My experience is that Rayn points out just about anything he finds remotely interesting. So why does it make him scum?

On February 04 2014 23:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm talking mostly about your second and third points here. As for the first, I could see it as a post basically telling HF to not purposefully enrage DP and his thoughts wandered from there. Posts being pointless does not equal scum, you should be well aware of that.

On February 04 2014 23:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm talking mostly about your second and third points here. As for the first, I could see it as a post basically telling HF to not purposefully enrage DP and his thoughts wandered from there. Posts being pointless does not equal scum, you should be well aware of that.

On February 04 2014 20:13 marvellosity wrote:

Revising this list

8.raynpelikoneet
4.Holyflare
3.DarthPunk
6.WaveOfShadow
2.iamperfection
5.Promethelax
9.Cephiro
1.marvellosity
7.Artanis

DP ^ 3 places

On February 05 2014 02:09 Promethelax wrote:


I cared to fall asleep though.

Early game is early game. Like you I'm bored of DP going on about his bullshit with Artanis' entrance. I tried, halfheartedly, to change the direction of the conversation onto HF. This game has felt like one with an end day shennanie scum lynch. And the players who haven't done anything to strike me as townie are: HF/Rayn/Ceph/Art of those three I like Artanis most on a personal level and find him easiest to read (I have no idea how I would read Ceph as I've never played with him) so I'd rather like to lynch one of the other three guys.

On February 05 2014 02:20 Promethelax wrote:


There are three scum. I happen to think that marv/dp/iamp/wos are town as am I. So that leaves me with four players who could be scum and of them two have not posted. So I am pretty damn sure at least one of the two players who haven't posted are scum. I didn't spell it out earlier but it makes perfect sense. Why is this a hard concept to follow?

On February 05 2014 02:29 Promethelax wrote:


I have not had the chance to read him yet so at this point I'd prefer not to lynch him.

On February 05 2014 02:32 Promethelax wrote:


I read everything he posted and had found it not alignment indicative. Given that it was ~6 hours into d1 I figured I'd keep the guy I liked more and would wait for him to show up to have a chit chat with and see if I could read him. Not like I'm advocating a lynch of anyone RIGHT NOW. I'm advocating a lynch of one of these four dudes and placing pressure on the ones I know less well/have a harder time reading. I see no issue here, why do you?

On February 05 2014 02:42 Promethelax wrote:
How has Cephiro not become your favourite lynch off of his two posts? Those posts are super scummy. To an incredible level, well beyond where my first posts usually are. Why do you think Art is more likely scum than Ceph?

On February 05 2014 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:

So is your case on Artanis pure meta?

On February 05 2014 02:47 Promethelax wrote:


this seems pretty at odds with his post in this game talking about how cool the early game banter has been and how totes excited he is to get in on it.

On February 05 2014 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

Narp, not quite following.
Explain?

On February 04 2014 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't understand why so much discussion has arisen on my mafia claim. It was clearly in jest. It's sort of an inside joke though; Rayn always counterclaims what I claim on voice, so I claim mafia in thread with the attempt of making him counterclaim it for funsies as well as being a conversation starter. The intent wasn't to have 15 pages littered with people calling it non alignment indicative though, so sorry 'bout that.

I like HF's comments regarding Wave. Rayn mentioned that you can't really meta him because his last scum game was 9 months ago, but if a game is different enough from his usual towngame then that's a point that points towards scumminess. Him finding HF and myself scummy despite agreeing with HF's initial remark is, to put it in scummarv words, smelly.

Speaking of Marv, I'm curious why you find Rayn scummy for what he's poking at. The Rayn I know likes to poke at everything and tends to just post a lot. I like the point regarding his inconsistency between thinking there are clearly reads to be made yet not supplying any, though.


What is the purpose of this post? What content do you like? Why did you feel the need to post a comment without any content?
I don't understand.

On February 05 2014 04:07 LSB wrote:
Midway through the thread but I wanted to post this first. Reads will come after I'm done with the thread

This seems obvious to me but it is pretty important

There isn't a LYLO in this game. Even if it is 3v2 and we mislynch, the player has the chance to kill a mafia and keep the game going. The only way the mafia can win is to stir up emotions in the town.

In fact this is why I don't think we should have people say who they would shoot. This paints a big target on their back for the mafia as "Should we push this guy" or "Should we take the pressure off of him".

After all to the mafia there is no difference between lynching a mafia, and lynching a town who would shoot mafia.

On February 05 2014 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is marv so bad this game?

On February 05 2014 05:24 LSB wrote:
Yeah I don't get the artanis is scum because he is not taking the game seriously meta. If anything it puts more townie points for me.

Artanis is quite capable of taking the game seriously and acting like one of the most townie player in the game as scum. I would be more concerned if he was an active townie than the lurker that he is right now

On February 05 2014 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

confirmed bad.

On February 05 2014 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
If all games could be solved by mafia always being useless lurkers then shit, maybe lurkers should always get lynched. Oh wait........

On February 05 2014 06:07 LSB wrote:

Ceph has two posts, both of which say he may or may not post later. He is a lurker.
Artanis- Talked about above. He has been lurking hard compared to what he usually does.
HF- Last game I was in with him was Titanic and he was basically doing the same thing. Stirring up things and trying to generate activity.
Rayn- seems too overconfident to be scum. I haven't seen him play as scum though so I don't know if this is normal.

I'm cool with a lurker lynch on day 1, though I'd rather go with WoS

On February 05 2014 06:23 LSB wrote:



I can't seem to find the game you are talking about. Could you link it to me?

Also I'll probably be gone for the next few hours

On February 05 2014 10:35 Promethelax wrote:
Where I live 'chirp' means to insult someone. Essentially 'to talk shit' and a chirpy person is someone who talks a lot of shit about other people.

On February 05 2014 10:36 Promethelax wrote:
Wait, where the fuck did I read that? It isn't in the OP.

On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread.

Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail.

On February 05 2014 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Prome, Artanis, Wave. read on Cephiro is pending.

Other people seem more or less town.

On February 05 2014 15:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is not true. marv does not reason his arguments as mafia and he is more of an asshole than he is as town.

On February 04 2014 10:42 DarthPunk wrote:


FUCKING SEMANTICS HOLYFLARE. I GUESS HE DID THE SAME THING MEANS EXACTLY THAT. HOW ARE YOU TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOLY FUCK.

On February 05 2014 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And i answered it and the case is invalid.
Also stop calling me names please.

On February 05 2014 19:40 Holyflare wrote:


Why not get someone to shoot artanis and potentially confirm 2 scum or 1 scum/1 town?

On February 05 2014 19:46 Cephiro wrote:


By how bad you called me earlier, you should know that it's completely possible that I'd be stupid enough to act on my own and shoot someone I think is mafia and fooling all of town, is it not?

On February 05 2014 19:50 Cephiro wrote:
I am merely pointing out it's a possibility that you ignored.

Do you think I would be stupid enough to do that as town?

Based on things you've said earlier it would seem that you do. Based on yourself not considering it a possibility, you don't.

Which is it?

On February 05 2014 19:58 Cephiro wrote:


If you want to continue discussing with me, the following will be required:

1) Stop making false assumptions such as that I'm not reading the thread.
2) Stop saying I do not cooperate, it's why I'm here right now replying whether you ask stupid or smart things.
3) Stop thinking of me as the IDGAF townie, it was merely an example.

Sure, multiple people have said artanis as scum. What have any of you really done about that? You've merely come to a conclusion that yeah, he's probably scum based on a few points. There are much better cases available, yet you talk about it like you had achieved something together. It's almost equal to as if you had stated earlier that "Yeah, Cephiro is a lurking fuck."

That didn't require any work now did it?

On February 05 2014 20:01 Cephiro wrote:


Ah. So this is where you go "I already solved the game ezpz." -part? The only 100% thing here is that you don't know what you're talking about right now.

So yeah. We should lynch artanis and ask him to shoot marv.
---
Artanis is more of a question mark than the other two. IMO.

On February 05 2014 21:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh you guys essentially went over this.
As much as it sucks, I believe marv is right at least that at this point, it probably should be understood that he is town, and yet he IS creating an anti-town atmosphere.

Rayn in this scenario I see only two possibilities: either he is right and you're scum for calling him scum here and not realizing why you're wrong, or you're both town. Its basically impossible for marv to be scum right now.

On February 06 2014 00:21 DarthPunk wrote:
People that call marv town every game even when he is scum, so it is meaningless.

Wave

Promethelax

Evidence. Shadow game, every game ever.

Such a pointless argument

On February 06 2014 00:21 Promethelax wrote:


Would prefer to shoot Artanis, its a personal thing, he has disappointed me. He can't talk to me as scum and this is sad, we keep being excited to play together but every time he rolls scum and never says a word to me. I'm a sad.

On February 06 2014 00:22 DarthPunk wrote:


Shooting rayn is the dumbest thing ever, But you are mafia so i'm not surprised. >_<

On February 06 2014 00:23 DarthPunk wrote:


They refused to lynch you. Deja vu. They didn't even bring it up. The only reason they have now is because they are forced to take a stance cause people are out for your blood. Unlike shadow game where you could just coast because nobody even VOTED for you.

On February 06 2014 00:32 DarthPunk wrote:


Of course you are. I am calling you mafia so you must call me mafia or shit for doing so. le sigh.

On February 06 2014 00:34 Promethelax wrote:
I believe this is an enraged, silly, out of his mind, town DP. I don't think DP would willingly fake this level of hot headedness when he has previously quit the forum over his anger. Speaking as an angry person, his level of anger seems hard to fake and if one was to fake it it would become real. Since he has had anger issues on the forum before I do not believe he would create this level of anger in himself.

My worry is with Wave who said that I always have a good reason to call him town on deep meta. Twice in our history together I have had those reasons, once in Shadow and once in Carnival Cruise. The fact that he says I always do that is a blatant falsehood and, more worryingly, one he knows is false since we just talked about it in the coaching qt a few days ago (as you can see). Over all I still think he is likely to be town but that has been worrying me.

Marv - Stop fucking patting me on the back for finding you town and adding fuel to the fire. Your play today has been deplorable, and I don't want to be lumped in to a group of players that have been unnecessarily antagonistic all game. I don't care how ridiculous it sounds, but people have every right to think you're scum for the way you have played today. It's so anti-town it's shocking. Like calling everybody who goes against you scum can only go so far. It's insane and stupid to do it for the length that you have.

On February 06 2014 02:38 LSB wrote:
Marv, are you implying you'd rather have rayn shot than lynched?

You guys have made this game intensely unenjoyable to play. Your play has been full of personal attacks unnecessary rage and has just been all around unacceptable. No idea wtf the hosts have been doing. You can take this post as alignment indicative if you'd like either way, I don't really care.

On February 06 2014 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

It's not out of place. I caught up and that's what I read. Especially coming off of Shadow game, where despite a little bit of rage people mostly kept it in their pants and played decently, this game is a horrible contrast. Yes you're right about only doing it for Rayn, Prome is a worse offender in that regard.

Is Prome at L-1 right now?