[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia!

On January 28 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote:

I very highly doubt it will become a problem in the first place.

On February 03 2014 11:10 Promethelax wrote:


Me too but it is IML so it isn't really a deadline.

On February 04 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote:

Given this is a vengeful game, this is probably the stupidest thing you could possibly have written. Every single person that gets lynched can shoot me if they so please.

On February 04 2014 08:26 iamperfection wrote:
Hrm wave are you being serious?

On February 04 2014 08:30 iamperfection wrote:

He could be scum misreading the thread thinking the stuff on you was somewhat legitimate and trying to position for later.

On February 04 2014 09:01 DarthPunk wrote:

Lel. I guess I expect more than rank stupidity from you wave. <3

On February 04 2014 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Also a couple of Policy things.

First, before we lynch someone we should make sure we know who they are going to shoot.

Second, we should extend the days for as long as possible. If someone quick hammers I will be fucking furious.

(looking at you rayn)

On September 27 2013 05:24 Palmar wrote:
I'm member of one of the mafia teams. I'm requesting one person from the other team PM me, or if that's not allowed, just claim in the thread so we can work together.

On September 27 2013 05:30 Grackaroni wrote:

Hello Palmar, I am eager to help your mafia organization. Please tell me your mafia teammates so that I know not to shoot them tonight.

On February 04 2014 09:15 Holyflare wrote:


Wave I still want you to address this.

On February 04 2014 08:18 Holyflare wrote:


because it's a scum default mindset! they think we know they always do it so they do it again to bluff but really, they're always scum! Artanis also claims jester exclusively as town.

On February 04 2014 09:24 Holyflare wrote:


Artanis is quite clearly playing this game in the style of voice mafia as he has referenced that he joined this for fun (not srs forum mafia funz) so my statement referred to that medium. With the amount of games that have been played on TL to say the case holds truth but only to have 1 example that isn't the same as this game's claim is worse than weak and so contradictary is the only term to use here.

On February 04 2014 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. Wave, if you're going to try to make "jokes", the first job is that they should be just a tiny bit amusing. :/

On February 04 2014 09:35 marvellosity wrote:
Dunno. Later.

On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
do you find marv hard to read wave?

On February 04 2014 09:46 Holyflare wrote:
if marv is scum I will catch him for you don't worry about that

On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote:

then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show.

On February 04 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:


we have a lot of vig shots what are you saying?

On February 04 2014 09:53 iamperfection wrote:

um i just peroused his games in the database and he only seems to lurk when he is scum. So i would go with lynch him if he lurks.......

On February 04 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:


This. Specifically. You aren't pushing for a lynch on Artanis. In fact, you rationalised SOMEHOW that his fake claim was the same as the one WoS linked that was trying to draw out other mafia claims.

On February 04 2014 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
EBWOP:

On February 04 2014 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
In fact, WoS why are you opting out of discussion? DP literally just stated that he pushed for people that claim scum's lynch. Has he been doing that here?

On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

On February 04 2014 12:13 Promethelax wrote:






do you even read bro?

On February 04 2014 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:


That is the correct play. I am town though.

About marv. He has been absolutely fucking useless. He bitched about me raging, talked about artanis not being scum or town and that is about it.

He did make one post I liked though:




This seemed like a genuine attempt to get the town on track. but still it is very easy to fake something like that as scum.

What do you think?

On February 04 2014 11:35 marvellosity wrote:
By the way.

If I find 3 townies this cycle then town wins for sure. By my rough calculations. And if I find 2 then town is in a super strong spot, maybe even winning by force as well.

iamp is still looking sexy to me. So 1-2 more and we're in an awesome spot. Yeehaw!

On February 04 2014 11:14 marvellosity wrote:
Claiming mafia is stupid and is quite clearly a net benefit to mafia, because I'm sitting here answering this question, and if he's town then my time is better spent not sitting here answering this question (it is, in fact, better spent sleeping).

Sadly townies do stupid things in the name of 'hilarity', so you never really know. Probably best not to think about it too much. We'll see what Artanis does tomorrow.

On February 04 2014 11:14 marvellosity wrote:
We're also not going to talk about how close posts were together and how mindmeldy that makes them. Jeez

On February 04 2014 12:31 Promethelax wrote:
Sorry, that wasn't productive, mad at people who are not you.

two reasons
1: gut says people present are town for various reasons. I would bet good money that at least one of ceph/rayn are scum
2. it was a change of topic from the DP thinks Art is scum for something prome thinks is not alignment indicative. Amd I was/am bored with that topic.

On February 04 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

Iamp, you're talking a lot about shit you don't understand. Nobody paid much attention to marv at all in Shadow game including me and he got away all game not doing a hell of a lot. Had I or anyone else paid more attention to him (which was rather difficult given the other lynch candidates in thread and how marv played), he may very well have been caught and lynched.

Is there a particular reason you're pushing this?

On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.

WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie?

On February 04 2014 13:16 iamperfection wrote:

because what you said makes no sense.

You say im going to totes be watching you marv so closely but then admit he isn't hard to read. Those two statements cant go together. Which would therefore imply that you dont really intend to watch him closely and are just using that language for show. therefore you would be scum.

On February 04 2014 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
no i said it isnt a strong read.

your right when you say its different when your from an outside but it seems like half the people in that game are going i totally knew it that marv was scum yet there wasn't even really a case brought against him the entire game implies you guys are delusional.

but we are getting off topic

This is my thought process spelled out slowly for you.

1. Wave says he will be watching marv closely
2. iamperfection wonders why and ask if he has trouble reading marv.
3. Wave says he dosnt think marv is hard to read.
4. This does not compute for iamperfection with the watching closely.

When people seem to have thought process that make no sense to me it makes me think they might be scum.

On February 04 2014 15:14 Holyflare wrote:
Wave is another person who I am concerned about being scum.



Wave initially starts the game joking around, however, after I point out the point about scum claiming scum on Artanis he seems to begin to agree with me as evidenced above and below



So, now he is fully in agreement with what I have been saying as he is clearly quoting my reasoning as bolstering his "gut feels".

Yet, increasingly he discovers that his conclusion that scum does this all the time has 0 evidence in the entirety of TL that he remembers. You'd think this would totally remove his read on the player then?



No. He doesn't care what alignment artanis actually his he's just sticking his vote on there. Now, in the shadow game part 1 wave was COMPLETELY different. Take this post for example that he outlines his thought processes (he was town in shadow):
He makes reads from conversation, from interaction, from things that are odd. Now that there is 0 information that Artanis claims scum as scum or town his read should be null. He hasn't interacted with Artanis and he hasn't discussed much else in the game despite a lot of stuff happening between me and DP.

There are a lot of posts in his filter that says all the actions DP has been doing point to town actions - but he could be smart enough to do them as scum. Wishy-washy, non alignment indicative trash. Just like his artanis read. Not only that but after agreeing with my points on Artanis (who his vote is on and is staying on) he puts ME in his top 3 scummy people in the game (based on people that have posted).



This is weird as DP who has done "towny" like things (but maybe scummy???) ranks more scummy than marv who he just made a massive post about here in which he says that he doesn't like a lot of marv's posting (but marv's post can come from both scum marv and town marv so in actuality his post was something that came to the conclusion of null - but he doesn't like them)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441979&currentpage=17#329

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This wave is not sitting right with me at all. His gameplay is completeellyyyyyy different to shadow mafia (here is his filter for shadow) and the majority of what he is posting ends up concluding that the players actions are null. His top 3 least towny looking people contain the person who he is voting based on no information, the person he said has been posting towny looking things (but could be scum because he's smart...?) and the person who he has been agreeing with (me) in regards to the person he is voting (artanis).


##Unvote
##Vote WaveOfShadow

On February 04 2014 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Are you saying you are scum Wave?

On February 04 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But my point is I never defended you. I was saying the exact same thing you are saying here. That making a meta case on you based on what HF said is shit.

On February 05 2014 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And also yes, your play is more comparable to what i read in Shadow game than what i have witnessed in other games you have been in lately. In Shadow game, as in this game on D1 you did not stand out as much as you have in other games, for example 4 Persona and Thug Life (i don't remember much of NWM).

In those games, to me, you looked far more aggressive and emotional in comparsion to this and Shadow game.

On February 05 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you remember what happened in LXII was that nearly every time Cephiro posted was to tell he will post later on..
But yes, you are right.

On February 05 2014 02:20 Promethelax wrote:


There are three scum. I happen to think that marv/dp/iamp/wos are town as am I. So that leaves me with four players who could be scum and of them two have not posted. So I am pretty damn sure at least one of the two players who haven't posted are scum. I didn't spell it out earlier but it makes perfect sense. Why is this a hard concept to follow?

On February 05 2014 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking fantastic. We can all go home, Prome solved the game in 6hours.
gg.

On February 05 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote:
He's just had 3/4 games as mafia and he hates mafia as you probably know.

His play here is... well, just flick through his filter yourself. It's both nonsense AND flat.

On February 05 2014 02:45 marvellosity wrote:

No. Read his posts. That is my evidence beyond meta.

On February 05 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:

Well you go to page 1

and you click on his filter

and you read his posts

and you go "gosh darnit, that looks awful! marv was right!"

then you come back to the thread

and you go "wow marv, you so cute, I want to touch your bum"

and I go "maybe later Wave, but I'm glad you managed to read"

On February 05 2014 03:32 Holyflare wrote:


I think what I said "made sense" in a way because that is what a normal reaction is (DP isn't normal PPP). It's less about my stance on DP and more about why Wave has taken the totally OPPOSITE point of view (in comparison to 3 people that shared the view) and compared it to a case that I thought had very little relevance. I used that post as a way to get to the bottom of what wave is thinking in this game as I know he likes to conspiracy theorise and come up with whacky situations based on nothing and I wanted to know if that was the case here.

On February 05 2014 04:07 LSB wrote:
Midway through the thread but I wanted to post this first. Reads will come after I'm done with the thread

This seems obvious to me but it is pretty important

There isn't a LYLO in this game. Even if it is 3v2 and we mislynch, the player has the chance to kill a mafia and keep the game going. The only way the mafia can win is to stir up emotions in the town.

In fact this is why I don't think we should have people say who they would shoot. This paints a big target on their back for the mafia as "Should we push this guy" or "Should we take the pressure off of him".

After all to the mafia there is no difference between lynching a mafia, and lynching a town who would shoot mafia.

On February 05 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
Like my thought process would be.

Oh Holyflare said some good points about artanis ("vote artanis"), I think artanis is scummy so holyflare is probably right etc etc +town points for pointing it out and discussion!

Oh, some rage is going on in thread, someone asked me who my reads are let's respond!

Hmm, sooo, the guy that actually started some discussion and made me vote for who i am voting for is probably a + in my books rather than scummy, then there's the afkers and the guy i'm voting for sooooo yeh that guy who made me vote for my target is ok in my books

that would be logical, however, out of nowhere BAM holy/artanis/dp???????????????????

On February 05 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
wave confirmed town

On February 05 2014 06:29 Holyflare wrote:


I know what you were asked. The fact you followed my reasoning and voted the target that I made should exclude me and artanis being in any sort of list you made altogether. You valued prome for a post of his saying "yeh everyone talking is totes town" despite the fact it was at like 3am EU time and so his only targets weren't lurkers they were just asleep europeans. Your other example was DP, despite you posting why his rage IS TOWNY. Why would you disagree with the point I made about his rage being from scum and then backtrack to put him in that top list of people that are talking? That didn't make sense either.

On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

On February 04 2014 08:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Was wondering the same thing. Accuses marv of taking a joke too seriously right before taking a joke too seriously himself.

On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote:


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.

On February 05 2014 10:03 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I will, although I can't really be bothered now. When I think I snared a mafia my motivation to do long slogs that I don't think beforehand will achieve much is diminished :p

Still unsure about how Holy came back into the thread talking about only Prome for a while and ignoring all the other stuff. That's pretty weird to me and it's sticking with me. On the other hand he has a lot of shorter responses that I'd characterise more towards his towngame. So meh.

Prome seems pretty comfortable in his own skin this game. Maybe Holy got annoyed but Prome dismissing his whole case in 2 little sentences seems more likely to come from town. His excuse about wanting to play with Artanis is... meh. The post I quoted from Artanis earlier was pretty terrible and I'd have hoped he'd have jumped on that. Thing is, like with Holy and you, there's more time...

You're probably the one I have the least grasp on without searching through your filter. Your play seems normalish, maybe a little more needly than I'd expect. The specifics that other people have brought up, I dunno without checking for myself right now.

The net of it is, I guess I'd bet on all 3 of you being town for the moment, but I'd be extremely unsurprised if one of you were actually mafia.

Cephiro (european schedule) never showed up.

On February 05 2014 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
I'd like to lynch Cephiro to shoot rayn, probably. Even though quite possibly Cephiro's alignment might be a little bit more of a mystery. I'd just... like to know rayn's alignment with more certainty given he has more posts and interactions in the thread.

On February 05 2014 10:07 Promethelax wrote:
Just in case what? Mafia come in and claim scum with bad votes in IML? Why would you want to prevent that?

On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread.

Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail.

On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game.

On February 05 2014 16:07 DarthPunk wrote:


What do you think of prome wave?

On February 05 2014 16:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) There is infinite amount of time, i don't have any reasons to "push" any lynch especially when this is an IML game.
2) There is a purpose in my posts. You have not asked me anything about any of my posts and saying "any of your posts have no purpose" is a straight out lie. Why don't you ask me something then if you are unsure? Insead fo doing so you just keep with this "rayn does not feel town" crap that is (1)unjustified and (2)not explained and therefore fishy.
3) I don't need to prove you wrong, because you are not literally "wrong", but you are not acting townie in any way because you are not being clear.

On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread.

Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail.

On February 05 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have laid out my three scumreads. I have given reasoning to all these reads. I am considering marv as fourth and i have no read on Cephiro.
There is no reason for me to push anyone at this point. If you wanna speed hammer me for it go ahead, i don't give a shit.

On February 05 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Prome has said fucking nothing useful all game. He hasn't given a single good reason for any of his reads besides his last post, and i do not think that was really good either.

Wave, what exactly are these good contributions from Prome?

On February 05 2014 16:17 DarthPunk wrote:


I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded?



Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style.

The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game.

That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes

A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia

B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying.

Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy.

On February 05 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1) Yes and in case you have not noticed i have already taken a stance, BEFORE you called me out for not taking a stance. tsk tsk
2) Well then my read on you stands because "feels" is not reasoning as noone can ever answer you.
3) I have already said why i think you are mafia. And the purpose of the post you quoted was to clarify to DP why i think marv might be mafia.

On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread.

On February 05 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes you are right HF, Wave's reasoning for his reads is weird.

On February 05 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because that's is mafia mindset. Calling someone scum without actually calling them scum, not to mention without giving any proper reasoning for a read.

On February 05 2014 16:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that is a lie Wave.

On February 05 2014 16:33 DarthPunk wrote:

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Hmm. This is a good post wave. Why have you not mentioned it before if you felt like that?

On February 05 2014 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have laid out my three scumreads. I have given reasoning to all these reads. I am considering marv as fourth and i have no read on Cephiro.
There is no reason for me to push anyone at this point. If you wanna speed hammer me for it go ahead, i don't give a shit.

On February 05 2014 16:38 DarthPunk wrote:


I am trying to figure that out right now wave. Right now, I have no clue. You have done townie things that look hella townie. Like the last post where you say you don't care what people think and you will scum hunt in your way so GTFO. I really liked that.

Also being able to understand that promes reads are all mostly smoke and mirrors and that he actuially doesn;t say anything in those gigantic posts of his 'reads'

But your rayn read and the specific reasons for it are so off, it's almost like you haven't read the thread or are keeping your lynch options open or something.

Rayn what do you think? Specifically for his recent posts.

On February 05 2014 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was being mad at people calling me scum for some bullshit "feels" and because of "marvs sentiment" which is fucking bullshit because i have already answered his case and he keeps posting stupid shit, wants people to discuss me and the instant someone disagrees with his read on me he goes silent and does not bring the issue up again and just goes back to his stupid list.

On February 05 2014 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave. Let's make a deal.

I get your point about my defensiveness or whatever you call it, but you are wrong. Let's look into other people because apparently neither of us wants to lynch the other one. Okay?

On February 05 2014 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:


I'm not sure I agree with that. There is much less reason than usual to defend yourself in this game. Like, if you get lynched you just shoot mafia anyway.

Matyring is much less anti win con than normal.

Like if you are town and you matyr: You A.) remove yourself from the list of suspects making things clearer for town, and B.) get to shoot your #1 scum read, who, if you are rayn will likely flip scum in your eyes.

This setup is not standard and so things like that read really town to me.

On February 05 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Prome, marv.
Artanis and Cephiro can go die because they apparently don't wanna play.

On February 05 2014 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:


No wave. I liked that you SAID would scum-hunt in your own way and that you told everyone to fuck off. But if you actually are town and the way in which you scum hunt makes no fucking sense at all and makes me think you are mafia then that is not ok obviously.

Like why would you take something like that and twist it into something ridiculous. It makes no fucking sense that I would mean that or that you actually believe what you just wrote.

On February 05 2014 16:53 DarthPunk wrote:


He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window.

On February 05 2014 16:58 Holyflare wrote:



Wut? If he's so hard to read how do you know what town rayn feels like?

On February 05 2014 23:51 Promethelax wrote:
look at say, the last 10 pages of this thread. You and Rayn have been the worst offenders while HF piggy backs on and 'me too's Wave has been almost reasonable, it isn't really fair of me to lump him in with you guys.

On February 05 2014 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really hate this game because people who used to be reasonable decided to be massive dicks.

On February 06 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
wave let's form a circle/line of love

On February 06 2014 05:37 marvellosity wrote:

literally have only done this for rayn, and I've been consistent with that

what's with the out of place lecture?

On February 06 2014 05:39 marvellosity wrote:

What do you mean by this, Wave?

On February 06 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote:

yes that's all fine, you can lecture me for being a douchebag, that's fine. but not for thinking everyone who is against me is mafia. that's not right.

I was also not "patting you on the back", I was using your stance for illustrative purposes relating to someone else's alignment.

If you're going to lecture me at least lecture me about correct things pretty please with homo cherries on top.

On February 05 2014 22:19 marvellosity wrote:

You get all my cleverpoints for the day.

Spend them wisely, daddykins.

On February 06 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
I literally asked everyone to respond about what i asked prom a page ago and now you come back saying we should discuss prome? X_x

On February 06 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
can we get on with the game instead of arguing about semantics? what do you think of what I said here:

On February 06 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Why don't we get our second read to shoot artanis thus potentially confirming 2 ppl and we won't lose a contributor x_x

On February 06 2014 09:16 Holyflare wrote:


Prome returns to thread and throws his little tantrum of bla bla bla why are you all so buddy buddy, dp/rayn/holy BS. If me and rayn are his scum reads then that would not be his reaction at all. We asked him several times what his reasoning for calling everyone town was. He only responded to dp about "meta reads only" in a terrible fashion. It's not till votes start coming in his direction and he starts to martyr that he now tries to elaborate those reads using posts in the game.

Why didn't he just do this in the first place? Why did he throw a tantrum?

On February 07 2014 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
screw that, there's no answer that matters.

On February 07 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
literally confused by what you just said?

On February 07 2014 06:04 marvellosity wrote:
I wants your case on Holy, Wave.

You voting without a case is mucho disturbing. Reminds me of me too much :x

On February 07 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

And this is the stupidest post in this thread.

On February 07 2014 06:45 LSB wrote:

My current idea is to reach a lylo situation with someone who I know is town and then I offer to get lynched or something, ez game. That's why I don't want you to get lynched and would rather go after other targets.

Unfortunately this whole "I'm gonna suicide thing" is pretty counterproductive.

On February 07 2014 06:51 marvellosity wrote:
if people are sure enough i am town to want to keep me around as sure town to lylo, they should be sure enough to go with my read and shoot rayn as well.

On February 07 2014 03:09 LSB wrote:
Marv is town so I don't wana kill him. I'd rather lynch Rayn than have Marv shoot Rayn.

Though preferably I'd want to lynch WoS

On February 07 2014 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
dp has linked so much shit that makes me town i have no idea why anyone is thinking i'm scum ~_~

Good. this is exactly right. His town reads come from nowhere are really strong and when asked to explain them he basically doesn't or can't

Town points for HF.

On February 07 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:


where is my vote right now

On February 07 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:


then you haven't read his filter

On February 07 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:


not really, cephiro is also very annoying to me at this point/when he was around

On February 07 2014 07:00 Holyflare wrote:


the post you quoted that from has like 3 other parts where he points out what i said as town, a couple of posts after that long post has another post quoting something i said from a townie prospective, the rest of his filter has more too

Yeah I alt+f'd HF instead of that and holyflare lol
Meh. People calling other people town has never been enough for me.
Ever.
Just ask marv. He hates it.
then you haven't read his filter

On February 07 2014 08:28 Cephiro wrote:


Because scum will never shoot scum. If you lynch scum that shoots a townie, you can't be sure if that player is actually scum, or if it's a townie taking revenge/trying to be a hero/whatever other possibilities there are.

Let's go with the assumption that you lynch me and I shoot marv. I know I'm town. Let's assume marv is town also. Just because I shoot him, even if most players consider him to be town, does not make me scum. I can see why you're trying to implicate that, but you have to understand that is not necessarily the case as townies have been known to go rogue and make their own decisions at times.

My point is, why would you leave it up to guessing when you can take the sure way out?

On February 07 2014 08:36 Cephiro wrote:


1) I have merely pointed out my suspicions on you and referred to you as my preferred lynch target since I was asked of that specific question.

2) If you are scum, there is no reason for scum to shoot you. I am not in need of tempting another townie to get to shoot you, I am just fine doing it myself.

I figure it would be best to talk cooperatively among town who they want to keep around for lategame to ensure the best possibilities of winning. As you might have noticed, I am in no rush to make decisions about who to lynch or who to shoot this cycle, neither was I during last cycle.

This is also a reason why I'm sad that Prome was the one to take the shot, since I would have preferred him to stay alive later in the game, and had an more unsure read take the shot.

@Wave: It's suboptimal play. Why guess if we can have facts? Certainly it might not even become a deciding factor of any sorts, but why take the risk? Why not go for the guaranteed information?

On February 07 2014 08:38 LSB wrote:


Unfortunately I am finding it harder and harder to believe you are thinking about the setup from a townie perspective.

Town objective- Kill three mafia
Mafia objective- Have a townie lynch another townie two times.

As a townie, all I care about is if a mafia is dead or not. Whether or not the mafia is flipped doesn't really matter to me. Artanis flipped red but really, who cares? He was probably the most obvious day 1 bus target you can get. Connections are not alignment indicative.

By lynching scummy players I have multiple chances to hit a scum in a cycle. I can either get them killed at the lynch, or if I am wrong, the player may be able to redeem himself by shooting a scum. If I lynch a scum, then we have accomplished what we need to do.

If I am 'sure' that someone is scum I should lynch him, because even if I am wrong, we still have a chance that a scum will die. If I lynched a townie and he hits my target and flips green, well I just killed two townies

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As a mafia I try to orchestrate a situation in which we can have a townie lynch another townie.

And this is exactly what you are doing. You are trying to get a townie to offer themselves as a sacrifice to kill me (which I know is a townie)

On February 07 2014 09:07 DarthPunk wrote:


Just got up and reading the thread now,

Glad you liked that gif post.

I was pretty upset that no one commented on how awesome it was. :D

from a cursory glance though rayn is like super super townie because he gives zero fucks about dieing.

he wanted to lynch promethelax who is very likely to shoot him as scum or town, and actually pushed for his hammer.

He wants to lynch marv who is very likely to shoot him as scum or town.

Like it just makes zero sense to suicide in that way as scum. ESPECIALLY because artanis was scum and was guaranteed to get killed at some point.

On February 07 2014 09:08 Cephiro wrote:
@Wave: What do you currently think of the way LSB & Holyflare are currently pushing me / undermining my play / whatever you want to call it?

(I won't deny I haven't been the best contributer, but I don't see how the last few pages of discussion from me have not shown proper effort.)

On February 07 2014 09:12 DarthPunk wrote:
ew this cephiro push the last few pages is weird.

Wave you said cephiro was townie based on 'feels' has your read on ceph changed now that you agree with what LSB is sayinG?

On February 07 2014 09:14 marvellosity wrote:
DP, your main scumread is offering himself up to be lynched after a mafia died yesterday

please vote for him toute de suite

On February 07 2014 09:18 marvellosity wrote:
iamp was super townie, very little chance LSB is mafia. LSB isn't really pushing scummy things either, he's just being weird.

On February 07 2014 09:19 marvellosity wrote:

Explain? O.o

On February 07 2014 09:20 DarthPunk wrote:


what?, getting shot is the worst possible outcome for mafia correct? you don't get to shoot town, you are flipped giving maximum information and you confirm the other player as town.

So why would scum rayn lynch people who he thinks are scum even though they would shoot him for it?

Hint: He wouldn't because it is a really bad play.

On February 07 2014 09:24 LSB wrote:

If I were mafia and both you and rayn were town, I would be like support your plan and would have lynched you by now so you can shoot rayn. Boom, two townies dead. EZ Day 2.

Since you aren't lynched yet, I can only assume that mafia don't want to see you go

On February 07 2014 09:25 marvellosity wrote:

Am a solid 2/2 so far. I even had to explain to you why artanis' post was so terrible.

On February 07 2014 09:27 marvellosity wrote:

What LSB said makes sense, even though I think it's actually incorrect because townies are nellies.

If both rayn and I are town, there are two mafia who would love to see me lynched and shoot rayn.

That very much does not appear to be happening. It's an interesting idea.

On February 07 2014 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv if we lynch HF today and we tell him to shoot anyone but Rayn, who is it?

On February 07 2014 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Omg if marv is actually town I want to kill myself. This is the worst town play I have ever seen.

No one is lynching you yet because the day is only 12 hours long marv. Lynching fast is in direct opposition to town policy and is a good way of getting lynched as scum.

On February 07 2014 09:32 DarthPunk wrote:


You. probably.

On February 07 2014 09:33 LSB wrote:
What do I have to do to get people to lynch me? Claim mafia? Post pretty pictures of animals?

Marv you want Rayn dead right? I will shoot him. So lynch me

On February 07 2014 09:38 LSB wrote:
Why do you guys care about ending cycles early? Day 3 can be 2 fucking weeks long if you need the time.

On February 07 2014 09:39 DarthPunk wrote:


This is literally not a case. You are just repeating what happened in the thread and twisting it to suit your purposes.

I'm not so sure marv is town after all. Because he DID try and stay alive yesterday and used townie promethelax to try and get a shot without dying.

And he KNOWS that no-one will lynch him fast today because his scum buddy won't do it and town won't be dumb enough to do it after everyone has expressed a desire to lengthen the days.

All the while he is still campaigning for others to take his place as the lynch candidate and to shoot rayn for him which shows that he DOES in fact give a fuck if he dies.

Where as rayn is just lynching whoever he thinks is most likely to be mafia and genuinely does not give a fuck, having already had a good chance to be shot by prome, which is unfakeable.

SO yeah rayn confirmed town, marv not town.

All is right with the world.

On February 07 2014 09:42 marvellosity wrote:
no, the question is pointless.

On February 07 2014 09:46 DarthPunk wrote:


I'm not ending the day 12 hours in just because you are goading me into it. But I do have the balls.

if you get to L - 1 tomorrow I will hammer you. That is a promise.

On February 07 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:


Who is one of my top town reads. WTF? how is he 'universally scummy'

On February 07 2014 09:52 marvellosity wrote:

I have constantly reevaluated.

rayn becomes scummier with each evaluation.

On February 07 2014 09:53 DarthPunk wrote:


Yes I did. I said if holyflare was lynched he should shoot you.

Marv ACTUALLY hasn't answered maybe you should get one out of him.

On February 07 2014 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
Oh god. If rayn is town this is gonna be hilarious.

##Shoot: raynpelikoneet

On February 07 2014 10:01 DarthPunk wrote:


He IS going to flip green wave.

On February 07 2014 10:11 DarthPunk wrote:
wat.

On February 07 2014 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv was right. He is going to be such a pain in the arse in the obs thread and postgame now. Holy shit.

I suck. GG.

On February 07 2014 10:13 LSB wrote:
WoS would you commit suicide to kill HF?

On February 07 2014 10:15 DarthPunk wrote:


Explain that to me wave. Cause from where I am sitting you are trying to push lynches not on to only one townie but two.

On February 07 2014 10:19 DarthPunk wrote:


No that makes no sense.

You thought I was wrong before didn't you? And how does being massively wrong about one read 'rayn + Marv' mean anything about my alignment or about my other reads?

I basically had the right read, just backwards. cause I thought marv was the mafia out of the two. Turns out it was rayn.

'shrugs'