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"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!" An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on. Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob. Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum. 1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative. 2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh. 3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy. 4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him. "I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.." at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory. 5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me. 6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.) Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town. Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch! | ||
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On February 16 2014 17:26 VIVAX420 wrote: it feels like he's fake claiming scum. If he's doing that, then I'm sicing geript after him. | ||
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Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together? | ||
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My primary doubt in lynching shiao a few days ago was that I had a pretty solid scum read on mattchew, but I figured they both couldn't be scum because Mattchew was pushing him softley towards the start of the game(ie looking for traction minus the heat), and pretty openly as we approached lynch. With the flip bieng what it is, I'm almost certain that Matt is scum and I'm pretty impressed with how little attention hes gotten. This is Mattchews longest post. rayn i dont think sidesprang is mafia, in past games he is super serious as mafia and this game he seems pretty loose at the beginning willing to troll and joke around. Also, that was some bullshit mocsta pulled, fucking awful play from either alignment and policy lynching you guys is what I want to do, but is not the way to lynch scum imo, cause i think your town Gumshoe is interesting, I am trying to refrain from knee-jerk calling him scum So far the people I am ok with dying are Shiaopi, Mordanis, Thrawn and maybe like Grack/Gum/QP Heres what this post is saying line by line. 1: Hard meta defense of a fairly null player. 2: Says Moc is a jerk, thinks hes town cause reasons? 3: Says im interesting, but is scared to outright call me scum? 4: A list of lurkers and current lynch favourites. This posts says very little, and yet it's his most content heavy, whats more it comes off almost as cowardly, like hes scared to accuse someone who will actually post back. I've never known Matt to be someones whose scarred to make accusations but this game he seems only willing to go after lurkers. His play comes off as fearful. You can see that fear on display early on in the game here. I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment. ( Easy way to take a stance without saying anything) here rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently (eager to diffuse potential fights in the making) and here, where he responds to a huge post belonging to dont panic by saying "i'll sheep this other than jarjar" The only two scum reads in donts post are jar jar and shiapi... This is the safest sheep I've ever seen. He can always point back to it if someone accuses him of jumping on the shiapi train but at the time its such a soft admission thats it's easy for it to go unnoticed. Which it did for the most part. Mattchew is playing obsencley diplomatic this game, which is scummy in of itself and doubly so considering it just doesn't fit his play style. With the lone exception of his read on Side Mattchew doesnt make arguments, or explain his convictions, he just throws his voice around and assumes it carries some weight. He has no interest in promoting town discussion, or defending himself, or providing reasons for his accusations. Its probally meant to come off as belligerent townie, but I've played with Matt before and this game he just seems to have no interest in developing the thread whatsoever, although he does seem to want to look like as if hes contributing and present when town needs him. In general, Mattchew, a fairly argumentative player has done his best to avoid and diffuse arguments, ie here he attempts to dodge a fight with Rayn. Actually a serious question Mattchew; Do you even read what people's posts say and do you think why do they say what they do? i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct Rayn posted a reasonable case on Matt and Matt deigned to only respond to this one emotional tidbit. When Rayn got aggravated with the deflection Matt just ends the argument with an ultimatum that he knows Rayn lacks the power to act upon. finally, he responded in similar fashion to my call out of him by saying I'm "interesting" and leaving it at that. He drops the thread there until much later in the game, after I've been inactive for a good long while, and says this. mordanis and gumshoe would be great lynches Once again no reasoning, and once again the target of his affections are two lurkers who may very well not post back at all. The shallow boldness of his accusations are in direct conflict with the coward like manner in which he engages others. It's as if hes combined the worst bits of town bravado and scum passiveness to form what might very well be one of the most useless in game entities I've come across. I also find Grack and Mordanis pretty fishy, but I'm not that confident about the Roni and as for Mord (whose done extremely little, even taking into account his trip) it's the same story as before, I dont think Matt and him are scum together and this time I aint going to make the mistake of not choosing Matt. But if the wind blows thier way I wouldnt mind lynching either of them. Rather not lynch a lurker today, that didnt really work out last time (although Shiao wasn't exactly a lurker). As for the night kills, I'm pretty sure scum were just trying to snipe blue, cant see any other reason why they would kill Thrawn. Anyone have any questions for me? | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:19 Grackaroni wrote: I like that case a lot Gumshoe. That makes things tough on me cause I'm not sure I like you ) : but I'll leave you be for now seeing as I'm pretty damm convinced Matt is scum. Thoughts on bum and Jar? Had them pinged as town before but that might have been a bit presumptive. Would really like to hear some more out of Bum especially. | ||
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On February 19 2014 02:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: wtf? was the NesTea pic not an Fn cop claim? Why did you post it? This will be the last thing said about blue roles today, there is only a parity cop or a doctor. There was no shot block and it's not day 2 yet. Aside from stupidity there is almost no reason to claim a role today (minus a fake boxer one in hopes of avoiding a lynch) and absolutely none for you to be asking about it. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:43 roundabound wrote: You know this how? Because i don't. I read the op. Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your warding skills to ward the enemy jungle to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. Your checks interact with roleblocks like this: (link). You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any hope of early game ganks. Each night you can ward the tribush to stop an incoming gank. Remember, support is the most important role. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. BoxeR (Named VT): You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, you just switched over, and you're an AP carry so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. Heck, there's even a fake FoxeR at this point, so there could even be 3 of you. Find and destroy the cheesers. Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote: I read the op Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your warding skills to ward the enemy jungle to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. Your checks interact with roleblocks like this: (link). You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any hope of early game ganks. Each night you can ward the tribush to stop an incoming gank. Remember, support is the most important role. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. BoxeR (Named VT): You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, you just switched over, and you're an AP carry so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. Heck, there's even a fake FoxeR at this point, so there could even be 3 of you. Find and destroy the cheesers. Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:43 roundabound wrote: You know this how? Because i don't. ##Vote: gumshoe Goddamit EBWOP! Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your warding skills to ward the enemy jungle to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. Your checks interact with roleblocks like this: (link). You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any hope of early game ganks. Each night you can ward the tribush to stop an incoming gank. Remember, support is the most important role. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. BoxeR (Named VT): You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, you just switched over, and you're an AP carry so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. Heck, there's even a fake FoxeR at this point, so there could even be 3 of you. Find and destroy the cheesers. Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sidespring claimed Cop. Grack claimed Doctor. It would be stupid to not discuss these things. I guess Irob posted his nestea pic for some other reason but it looked like we were gonna have dueling cop claims. I dont think we should really be trusting what these two are saying regardless, above all there is plenty to discuss and arguments to throw at grack and side that do not run the risk of giving scum a read on our blues. If you want to use thier claims as a reason to level an actual case against them then do so. But talking about the blues before theyve produced results or have a reason to claim is nothing but hurtful for town. Please please please can we all drop this? Thier are several cases in thread that can be picked up (I still dont see a reason not to lynch Mattchew) and if none of them appeal to you then make up your own. Continue to be useless as well if you like, but there will be consequences. | ||
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Sorry I think you misunderstood what I meant, there are no roles in this game that should claim on day 1 barring the circumstance I mentioned. Ie that was senstence was meant to say there is no vig or traditional cop. Roles that can be used from the get go. And if I did mean there was only a parity or doc, that would be wrong as well cause there can also be foxer 0_o I really dont know why your jumping on this. | ||
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On February 19 2014 03:58 sidesprang wrote: Mafia CAN know 100% that there is no chance for town having both Cop and Doc. that is the whole point here IAmRobik... please correct me if they can't know, but as I read it. it seems pretty clear they can. But thats not what I was saying T_T, I meant we have no vig or straight up cop, there is only a parity or doc means we have no roles that can immediately do something unless scum shoots the docs target, this is so stupid. | ||
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On February 19 2014 04:11 roundabound wrote: Ugh okay nevermind, let me go through your Mattchew case. ##unvote ~rayn Good god thank you 0_o. Rayn I would never fucking forgive you if you got me mislynched for no reason AGAIN. | ||
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On February 19 2014 04:20 gumshoe wrote: To be honest I only started playing this a couple days ago so I just sorta glazed over the op and wasnt really sure about the setup stuff till now. But ironically enough I do know that there is only one doc or parity, because I got roll blocked which means I knwo theres a tri laner. So either way im right. WAIT, nm, every setup has a role blocker, I am an idiot. Also rob is either lying, or we have no power roles whatsoever and god father? 0_o I am so mindfuked right now. | ||
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On February 19 2014 04:24 roundabound wrote: The case is the same i made on D1 with more words. Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1? ~rayn Are you sure your not Boxer as well? Cause you seem really eager to fight people for no reason. | ||
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It's been a day or so since Matt's posted, I'm all for hearing what he has to say, but If I was in his shoes as scum I wouldn't walk back into thread until I absolutely had to. In fact if scum is certain hes going down no matter what and are pretty confident in their other two members, they might be going for a modkill. A modkill plus a mislynch is pretty much better than town straight up lynching scum, because it allows scum to likely end the game earlier. Alternatively he may have a role and scum might be trying to hold onto him. Point is, if hes scum I dont see him coming back until after the lynch. Which is not a bad play, if he defends himself he may still look like the best lynch option, but if he takes himself off the table entirely he doesn't even have to worry about giving away info in his defence. We've waited a good while, hes had ample opportunity to adress my case, it hasn't gotten any weaker in his absence and no better one has presented itself. Another 5 day cycle is just going to kill any momentum town has, scum bieng a much smaller faction can mobilize faster and swing votes easier the more desperate we get. The fact that Matt wasnt lynched even though he was at four votes for as long as he was is proof to my eyes at least that this is becoming the case(pretty sure that at least two of the other people on him were town, so scum could have possibly mislynched him if they wanted to, and yet he lived.) I'm happy where I stand, but if anyone wants me to take an in depth look at any other case I'll do what I can. Moving on to other matters. The Vivax Rayn war. At this point I'm resolved to ignore whatever Mocsta says, hes acting pretty childish and I dont think thats townish or scummish. Rayn on the other hand I'm kinda sure is town, when hes scum Rayn tends to never let go of things because hes afraid of looking flip floppy. This game though Rayn's been putting on alot of pressure but has been willing to back off several times over because he actually wants to lynch scum and not townies who provide him opportunities to ensure mislynches. Vivax also looks townie, but it is possible for him to be scum if the reason for him starting a fire in the thread was that he was trying to take the heat of Matt. Notice the tone in this post, the first on in which he demonstrated suspicion of Rayn. Oh s hit I think ran moc might be scum. Thrawn looks bad also. it sounds kinda doubtful, (also funny to note how Vivax comes to the conclusion that Thrawn looks bad just before hes shot, in hindsight it makes him look quite good / :, as in why would he ever shoot Thrawn if he was planning on lynching him? That would be crazy...) after that post he calls out Jar Jar a bit, decrees captain town(rob)to be town, then leaves, promising reasons for his reads upon his return. When he does come back he is completely resolved. mocsta/rayn scum you heard it here first. owned once again mocsta. At this point in the game Vivax's/ Kush's (or whatever you wanna call it) posting completely changes, it goes from reasoned and inquisitive to inflammatory and derogatory. All without an actual argument for what seems like an eternity. theres at least a page of posts like this. hmm rayn why did you get so mad? ur caught son. i owned you with my superior mafia skills. actually rayn, this game i caught you because of YOUR terrible play, not mocstas The goal of the game isnt to convince scum that they're scum, it's to convince the rest of town. Vivax is doing his case no favours here. Which makes me suspect that his immediate goal wasn't to get Rayn lynched. Eventually Vivax calms down and stops posting like a lunatic, but only after my case on Matt has lost a great deal of momentum. If we consider them partners, then what better way for Vivax to take the heat off Matt than by shitting up the thread. In fact he only started acting like an ass a few hours after my case was posted, before then his tone suggested that he was just suspicious of Rayn, not certain of his guilt. Hes probably just being a dick and I definitely would not lynch him before Matt, but when Matt comes back red, It wouldn't be a bad idea to take a long look at this most ravenous of hydras. Next up, Bumatlarge. His only noteworthy post since the day 1 lynch. Bum: Let's chat mord. I probably did get too hung up on Round, but I did everything I could to get a better understanding of ShiaoPi's play this game. No one questioned his views from a town standpoint, and i think you can see why I was trying to stall the lynch on him by the other post you call me scummy for. Nothing I did indicated I knew anything about ShiaoPi's alignment, and I have him every opportunity to explain himself. I'll take the blame for lynching a townie, but what ou are looking for in my posts require assumptions about my alignment. Look at my reasoning from a town viewpoint, and I can guarantee it makes sense. I'll answer anything I missed if you want. I'm going to try to figure out Matthew, but it may take me some time to do him justice. I suggest going slow again this cycle. This post is one of reconciliation self defense and diffiusal, he provides no new reads whatsoever, and promises to look at the Matt case, but never does... Bum effectively sealed the Shiapi lynch and since then hes done nothing for town. Oh but he sure does sound sorry ) : Probably the second scummer. Mord: Has been pretty active since coming back, would like to hear from him on someone other than Bum though, because as much as I too have my suspicions of Bum, I dont think the case against him is good enough to warrant full on tunneling. I honestly had Mord pegged as scum coming into day 2 but im upgrading him to null in hopes that he keeps contributing and makes his true allegiances clear. Finally: Grack Sidespring and Jar Jar: Have these guys together as null because they might all be townie or scummie for pretty much the same reason, and that reason is derp ) : a flip on one of these guys could come up purple for all we know. I probably wouldn't lynch any of them before Matt. Anyone have any questions for me? | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:25 VIVAX420 wrote: Gumshoe. You quote Kush when you mention the inflammatoy part. Please refer to us as kushax or something like that. I don't want people to think that that was me (which makes the change of tone a change of player) Then sign your name please. | ||
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On February 20 2014 08:25 VIVAX420 wrote: Gumshoe. You quote Kush when you mention the inflammatoy part. Please refer to us as kushax or something like that. I don't want people to think that that was me (which makes the change of tone a change of player) Even if Kush doesnt do it, so long as you do I can tell between you guys, otherwise yah cant complain If I consider you an archon. | ||
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On February 20 2014 10:26 bumatlarge wrote: I am totally here and not busy or anything. Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were. Of all the fucking things you felt the need to comment on coming back it's this!? Ok bum, hydras don't have to sign and can feel free to get offended when they're treated as an individual, no problem, your super duper right. Now who the fuck is scum? Specifically what do you think about Matt, mordanis and jar jar. | ||
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On February 20 2014 11:01 bumatlarge wrote: MEGASALT mordanis is chill, other two not so much. What about the sprangside? I feel good about him being scum. I don't feel like putting more effort into my reads, so I'm not going to. Sorry! You bastard T-T. Whelp can't force you to post, but you better not make us lynch you if your actually town. I too am not inspired by side sprang's play but unlike Matt I think he might actually end up posting now that he's come under pressure. so I'll wait on that. | ||
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On February 21 2014 03:30 IAmRobik wrote: OK...I'm officially bored. Who are we lynching today? SideSprang, JJD or mordanis ..... or are we actually going to lynch mattchew who hasn't spoken in like 10000 years Hate to be a broken record but he did promise to talk and yet here we are, for all we know hes just trying to avoid a modkill. Hes proven that hes here and yet he refuses to respond, thats not the matt I know. Everyone defends him as lynch bait, but honestly what does that even mean? Jar jar, shiao, quantam, mordanis, side, thrawn, Half the fuking players in this game were/are lynch bait, that doesn't make any of them more or less likely to be town. Honestly between them all its just a matter of pick your poison, a flip on sidesprang or jar is a solid 50 50, no more no less, because players like them always play suspiciously. But Matt is diffrent, Matt is capable of caring, of coming up with solid cases. Above all he gets angry and fights when he knows hes right. I dont know what past experience you have with him, but this is not my idea of town matt. If your still soundly resolved not to lynch him, my preference goes to Bum, he back pedalled on side sprang (his only read) but didn't offer any scum alternatives (mustve been to busy hiding behind his replacement status). If your not willing to lynch either of these guys, then out of your selection I find sprang the scummiest since he isn't bothering to help town at all. If Mattchew/Bum absolutely wont happen then I'll compromise on him. If you wanna kill someone outside of those three, you'll probably have to do it without me, I'm not yet desperate enough to vote for a straight coin flip. | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote: gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah? that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you. as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose. | ||
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On February 21 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: i actually don't hate the people voting mattchew but if he flips town, I might have to reconsider some of my reads. bear in mind that as the lynch on him gets closer, scum will probally have to jump on him, if theyre smart they may have already done so, so even if/when he flips red, you may still have to reavaluate reads / : | ||
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In regards to specific modkills, the only one whose going to die potentially is sprang, and him and matt have too little interaction to make a read off that about them. Bum and matt will not get modkilled, they will pop in when they absolutley have to, make promises, and then pop off, never to fulfill them. The only way scum dies is if a) they are awful, or b) we lynch them. So can we stop being cowards and play the game? If anyone has another case i'll gladly hear it out, otherwise lets lynch the scum thats on the table. | ||
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On February 21 2014 08:15 Mordanis wrote: So by my count, everyone has voted except for Matt and Vivax. Vivax, why have you not voted, it seems like you've had plenty of scumreads. Mord, bums probally not getting lynched today, are you willing to vote for Matt? If not whats your reasoning? | ||
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On February 21 2014 10:21 bumatlarge wrote: This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. Thats called sticking your neck out, fortunately its not no going to fail, I am almost entirely sure Matts scum. Also whats an unpopular case? A case that is not widely held in esteem, prior to my initial case against him, nobody was attacking him. I took a risk going after someone that was not considered scum by town before I made my case. Which was a much more difficult avenue to pursue rather than continuously flip flopping on side sprang... and one I pursued only because thats exactly what I need to do as town to ensure we lynch scum. Also if you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry? I try my best to be transparent, but I've had scum write "I dont know what this guy is saying" as an argument against me before, so forgive me if I dont find your ignorance entirely sincere, I have known you to play dumb before. As for why your scum. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". The bolded is just not true, you do post, it's just those posts are worthless, your only job as town is to find scum and it is through reads and subsequent red flips you prove your towniness. You dont do that, you just defend yourself and offer half assed reads and when people call you out on that you scream "im just the replacement guys!" . After Mattchew flips red, I'll go into detail against you, but for now just stand back and watch your buddy get roasted, cause I'm really getting tired of your terrible scum play. | ||
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On February 21 2014 13:23 bumatlarge wrote: Who cares whats going to happen to you. You took a risk in scum hunting? You certainly are if you are scum. No one has defended mattchew, so everything you said is really unnecessary if you are intent on him being mafia. Thanks for telling us your motives though. I also like how you are making up a lot of non-sense about me flip-flopping on SS. Please continue to make up non-sense if that is your thing. How about you go into detail now. You are prepared to insult my play, but I think that is ill-founded. I think my scum play is pretty adequate, and yours is transparent! And mattchew is probably scum by the nature of your case and how you hope it's going to make you look. For being scum you sure do shed light on all the wrong things. Hey, you asked me what stuck my neck out means, and I explained, I originally only mentioned it cause I felt it was dumb that rob felt the only reason im not scum is cause of my role block claim, when here I am making a huge yolo case, a pretty dumb move for scum to do if they want to avoid getting lynched. And I never asked people to care about me, please dont twist my words into obscene shapes. Oh and for the record Mattchew has done nothing to deserve defending, and yet that hasn't stopped Rob Vivax and pretty much you from doing just that, he hasn't been defended is a blatant lie. Also read these two for me. mordanis is chill, other two not so much. What about the sprangside? I feel good about him being scum Alright, I've determined that sidesprang is fairly transparent. I can explain why, but I'd rather have him post for me to analyze. I'm not the greatest at meta reads, but the 'nervous' post mattchew brought up was pretty typical of the [red]sidesprang/red] I have studied. Im sorry, but that sure does look like a flip flop to me, and side was literally the closest thing you've had to a scum suspect since you got shiapi lynched. You know, until you jumped on me solely cause I called you scum, kinda like Mattchew did. Also wtf is this? And mattchew is probably scum by the nature of your case and how you hope it's going to make you look Wow, are you actually accusing me of starting a bus on a team mate as scum? God your desperate. Yeah I'm not seeing that adequate scum play of yours, oh and the reason you find my play transparent is because I'm town / : but you already knew that of course. Yeah, I wouldn't mind voting Bum if everyone still feels like waiting for Matt to not show up. | ||
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On February 21 2014 14:22 bumatlarge wrote: Those two you quoted are both calling him scummy. You probably should read them again. You can be transparent scum. Thats extremely misleading language, but I apologize, you did not flip flop ) : | ||
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On February 21 2014 23:01 IAmRobik wrote: He should just request a sub or a modkill. This is unacceptable. Im not wasting a lynch on someone who is not participating. None of that's happening, this can still be considered a "strategy" and therefore he won't be mod killed so long as he does the bare minimum of posting. If sides scum he will probably do the same. As for not wasting a lynch on someone whose not participating, how else are we going to kill lazy scum... But As previously mentioned, I could lynch side, the only things that's changed is that I am no longer willing to lynch Bum. It's just I find it fucking remarkable that Matt can spit in our faces like this and we can't do shit because scum won't lynch their buddy and you and Vivax keep getting cold feet for whatever reason of the hour. The only way scum Matt is going to die is if we lynch him, so can we do that? Can we just play the game and lynch scum instead of making excuses for them and trying to game the host? | ||
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On February 22 2014 01:18 VIVAX420 wrote: NOT WAITING FOR MATT TO GET MODKILLED IS ANTI TOWN AS FUCK. You think this is against the spirit is iml? Fuck iml this is playing to your wincon. That supersedes everything else. When did i say it was anti town? I just think it's stupid, were not playing iml, were playing mafia. The goal in which is to lynch scum, not wait till the host is willing to hold our hands and sing us to sleep. We are playing a game of deduction, not engaging in national level politics, the goal is to deduce and have fun, wincon does not supersede everything, enjoyment does and I cant imagine anyones really enjoying this standstill. If you honestly wanna play this way, and truly believe that this is the best way to win this game then I probably wont wanna play with you again and I definitely wont be doing Iml anymore. | ||
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On February 22 2014 01:58 Mattchew wrote: Vivax your case rules, gumshoe is mafia as fuck Wow... opportunist much XD | ||
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On February 22 2014 01:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Yea comes from messing around with multiple tabs in the voting thread and whatnot This is just in case that matt flips town, bolded the players I find relevant. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2014 23:21 Ange777 wrote: FINAL VOTE COUNT: thrawn2112 (0): VIVAX420 (0): IAmRobik (0): DoNotPanic! (0): Grackaroni (1): IAmRobik, sidesprang (2): ShiaoPi (7): QuantumPope (1): ShiaoPi, roundabound (0): bumatlarge (0): Mordanis (0): ShiaoPi, the Progamer has been lynched. + Show Spoiler + Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. It is now Night 1. You have until Tuesday, Feb 18 2:21pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to send your nightactions to the host and all co-hosts! You may post during night. On February 22 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote: VOTE COUNT: Mattchew (5): gumshoe (1): bumatlarge (1): Mordanis sidesprang (1): JarJarDrinks (0): With 10 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. Only votes in the Voting Thread will be counted! Atm I'm thinking gum could be scum. Reasons: First: + gum is sure that mocstas fakeclaim was real, builds all his cases around that theory (weak scumteam) + He says "it leaves a pool of six in which lies scum", but his last two reads are townreads! He's just opening himself up to lynching people that simply are at risk of getting lynched by some townies, not people he really reads as scummy. Else why would he read two people as town in a list of people he should find scummy. After Mocsta's fake?claim shenanigans are over he posts this: A post that reeks of overjustification for all his set of reads.Moreover, he doesn't update his scumreads upon getting the information. He only talks about the Mocasta shit. + Quick reason to jump on ShiaoPi. He just had to justify his reads being based on a fakeclaim, but ShiaoPi being part of them didn't change anything. Why say that your old reads are obsolete cause the claim was fake and then still stick to them (and use them on the go for a townie lynch) And then boom Other opinions encouraged. The opening post: Mocsta's claim set my imagination on fire, I'ts happened to me before in other games that I can point out if you like. I took it at face value because I didnt think Mocsta would joke about something like that. I gave it some thought though and realized that there was no reason for him to claim as town or scum. Win con supersedes all, your words not mine, and that confession fits no win condition, therefore I consider it and the rest of Moc's testimony inadmissible, which is fine because Rayn is pretty readable and fairly townie. Else why would he read two people as town in a list of people he should find scummy. I included everyone who hadnt posted in range of Moc's confession, I thought at the time Moc wouldnt confess if his buddies were active, that list is comprised of people who fit the Moc theory of inactivity it nothing to do with creating a pool of victims -_-, they are ordered from scumiest to towniest, I dont see your point. A post that reeks of overjustification for all his set of reads.Moreover, he doesn't update his scumreads upon getting the information. He only talks about the Mocasta shit. At the time I still considred Moc scum so what new info? + Quick reason to jump on ShiaoPi. He just had to justify his reads being based on a fakeclaim, but ShiaoPi being part of them didn't change anything. Why say that your old reads are obsolete cause the claim was fake and then still stick to them (and use them on the go for a townie lynch) As I said, I still considred Moc scum at that time, it was the rest of town who was unwilling to lynch him, the shiapi flip played a part in me dropping that read as well, and I had already covered my suspicion of him (he was at the top of my list). | ||
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On February 22 2014 02:25 Grackaroni wrote: I will agree this is odd from Gumshoe. It looks like he still thinks Roundabound will flip scum, but he doesn't really feel that it's worth pursuing/talking about since town isn't interested in lynching him. At the same time he mentioned something else before about taking a risk of putting out an unpopular case and this might just be Gumshoe's mindset as town. BUT that in itself is a pretty scummy way of thinking. My conclusion: I'll just sheep w/e VIVAX420 does because I have no idea what the fuck is going on. My mindset as town is to get mislynched day 1 or two : P | ||
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On February 22 2014 02:34 VIVAX420 wrote: So when you find someone scummy like Mocsta you decide to ignore his posts and proclaim to only read his more townie half? If his posts dont make sense from either perspective, then why would I bother reading him when his other half is far more serius about the game? Would you ever scum claim while under zero pressure? | ||
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On February 22 2014 02:40 Grackaroni wrote: That's what I am considering lol (except it would be you compensating for getting mislynched day1/2 a lot and having a mindset as town of being more concerned with avoiding the lynch then attacking scum) I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer. | ||
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On February 22 2014 02:59 VIVAX420 wrote: thrawn was an attempted blue snipe. so it makes sense to rb him and shoot him. then scum can claim that night's rb and look hella townie to everyone. Role blocking him does nothing if your shooting him 0_0 doc cant heal himself, why would you not roleblock someone else to remove any chance of him being healed by a doc, this makes no sense T_T. | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:18 VIVAX420 wrote: so what the fuck did mocsta even mean by that quote Who the fuck knows, Mocsta's high this game / : | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:25 VIVAX420 wrote: Yeah, who are your guesses for other two scummers? Vivax, if your in there, do you remember Basterd mafia when I caught Fuba? Thats whats happening with Matt this game, I can feel it, believe in me ) : | ||
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On February 22 2014 03:29 VIVAX420 wrote: Gumshoe should we lynch bumatlarge tomorrow? Alot of my case on him was just wrong ) : so I've dropped it for now until I have something more, I would lynch him tomorrow though depending on what Side sprang flips via modkill. | ||
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If town, that means hes spent all of day two pushing a mislynch that was unlikely to happen, which means he was trying to look like hes contributing while pushing a useless lynch that best case scenario kills town. If sprang flips scum, that means we should probably be listening to Bum a bit more XD | ||
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On February 22 2014 08:10 IAmRobik wrote: No...but we're gonna have to perfect lynch 9 people left I believe, so even if we mislynch today, were at 7 tomorrow, so we have two mislynches no? My top town are Vivax, Rob, Grack (felt hes been pretty forthcoming/towny) Top 3 scum are Matt (nothings changed, he went back and forth on side a bit, not enough to say if he actually knew he was town or not.) Bum (Has been pushing Side all of day 2 / : Side has been Bum's only read for sometime. Mordanis (Dont like how he jumped onto Matt only when he absolutely had to (because it didnt look like anyone else was getting lynched except his buddy) and his play has been pretty meh / | ||
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On February 22 2014 23:30 VIVAX420 wrote: Yeah, but what about bum? And who else do you think could be scum? With Side's flip I'm pretty confident Bum is scum. As for the last one, we can obviously rule out you and robb, which leaves Mordanis jar jar and grack, Jar Jar has done the least for town so objectively hes the scummiest and his blue hunting was pretty weird, Mordanis hasnt played much better but he pushed hard on Bum and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would bus at that point in the game, which makes me feel 50/50 on him. Grack looks the best between the three, he shows a vested interest in town discussion and hes been pretty rational and open to most arguments, but he hasn't actually provided much of his own reads, instead choosing to back up whichever one suits him at the time. If hes scum hes playing quite well / : and we would have to discredit Coag and destroy his buisness venture before we could even consider lynching Grack. Heres where I stand overall (in order from scummiest to towniest. Rayn. Bum Jar Jar Mordanis Grack Rob Vivax Of course this is all preliminary because I am assuming that there will be 3 more flips before we actually have to start looking for scum.(we still have a night kill coming up, tomorrows lynch should be locked in and well have one more kill after that) in the coming days were going to have alot of information to work with, we can definitely still win this game. | ||
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On February 23 2014 00:36 IAmRobik wrote: SOooo...i still haven't slept...but i'm not drunk anymore. I don't think I'll be of help anyway. I really hope scum NK me cause this game is stupid. Also, I'm totally scum for "too much information" knowing that two people that barely posted that I have town reads on because of "tone" and a "soft claim" are town. Lynch me guys. I'm clearly mafia! the only people calling you scum are scum and they dont hold a majority, the games gonna speed up now if thats whats bugging you, we have a lynch locked in and were going to have 3 flips to go over. town needs you Rob, this game is ours if we quit bitching and focus on finding scum. | ||
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On February 23 2014 01:03 IAmRobik wrote: 3 TOWNS GOT MODKILLED. HOW DO YOU EXPECT ME TO TAKE THIS GAME SERIOUSLY? Welcome to tl mafia XD this is par for the course, also iml is bad. Regardless we still have a shot, why not take it? Robb, do you really wanna be this guy? | ||
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On February 23 2014 09:48 bumatlarge wrote: Whatcha gonna do? Surprised you guys weren't going to shoot robnik. After SS and mattchew died, my scum list was Gumshoe, Round and JJD. Shooting may have made me move to Vivax over Mord, but I would have prioritized the others. I was not going to be lynched this game, sorry gumshoe Will never know now will we? | ||
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On February 23 2014 11:04 IAmRobik wrote: He was never gonna get lynched. And the only reason you didn't get lynched was cause of the RB claim. Otherwise you were super scummy I dont know man, you really didnt wanna see Matt get lynched, and yet off he went, I dont think it's too much of a stretch to imagine either grack or Bum dying before me and Mord, but believe what you will, that was a bad game all around so theres not much to be proud of in the first place. | ||
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On February 23 2014 14:29 IAmRobik wrote: There's a difference between convincing people to not lynch someone who is _NOT_ in the game versus someone who I made a strong case for why they're town. When I made my case on Matt he was still in the game, besides your werent the only one playing, Vivax thought bum was scum potentially, and grack/ jar jar would have voted bum to save themselves if it came to it, you have a quite a big ego for someone who gave up prematurely, can sorta see why the people you've played with in the past got tired of you / : | ||
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On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote: I'm doing great. Feels so good to be playing forum mafia again. People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want! Any chance you do anything productive whatsoever d1? Yeah going by this tidbit you seem to get in fights a lot due to your anger issues or whatever. Calm down fella, it's just a game ( : | ||
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On February 23 2014 18:25 roundabound wrote: Gumshoe was clearly scum though That diatribe with bum where as a townie he put his neck out haha man. Oh man I feel it's unfair for you to say this, after all you knew I was scum, everything I did must have looked scummy to you in one way or another XD | ||
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On February 23 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote: rayn you could learn a lot about how to play scum from gumshoe i think. I think we could all learn a lot about how to play scum from this town : P by the way Vivax/ Kush, just wanna say regardless of whatever you did that got you mod killed, you played pretty great, you nailed me and round pretty soundly and if town had listened to you a bit more they might have needed an ear wash or two, but they woulda likely won this game ( : Also your play was so brazen my jaw literally dropped when I saw you were doc, coincidentally we we're rbing you tonight but only because you were already confirmed town. Wp to the both of you. | ||
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On February 24 2014 00:36 kushm4sta wrote: so woudl we have lost anyway if we werne't modkilled? It would come down to you I think, which ironically it did anyway XD I dont think i'd get lynched unless you wanted me to. | ||
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