EPTGSL Open Mini Mafia IV
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!" An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on. Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob. Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum. 1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative. 2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh. 3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy. 4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him. "I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.." at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory. 5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me. 6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.) Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town. Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch! | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 16 2014 17:26 VIVAX420 wrote: it feels like he's fake claiming scum. If he's doing that, then I'm sicing geript after him. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together? | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
My primary doubt in lynching shiao a few days ago was that I had a pretty solid scum read on mattchew, but I figured they both couldn't be scum because Mattchew was pushing him softley towards the start of the game(ie looking for traction minus the heat), and pretty openly as we approached lynch. With the flip bieng what it is, I'm almost certain that Matt is scum and I'm pretty impressed with how little attention hes gotten. This is Mattchews longest post. rayn i dont think sidesprang is mafia, in past games he is super serious as mafia and this game he seems pretty loose at the beginning willing to troll and joke around. Also, that was some bullshit mocsta pulled, fucking awful play from either alignment and policy lynching you guys is what I want to do, but is not the way to lynch scum imo, cause i think your town Gumshoe is interesting, I am trying to refrain from knee-jerk calling him scum So far the people I am ok with dying are Shiaopi, Mordanis, Thrawn and maybe like Grack/Gum/QP Heres what this post is saying line by line. 1: Hard meta defense of a fairly null player. 2: Says Moc is a jerk, thinks hes town cause reasons? 3: Says im interesting, but is scared to outright call me scum? 4: A list of lurkers and current lynch favourites. This posts says very little, and yet it's his most content heavy, whats more it comes off almost as cowardly, like hes scared to accuse someone who will actually post back. I've never known Matt to be someones whose scarred to make accusations but this game he seems only willing to go after lurkers. His play comes off as fearful. You can see that fear on display early on in the game here. I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment. ( Easy way to take a stance without saying anything) here rayn, my town read on QP was hastey and unwarrented. I do not have a read on him currently (eager to diffuse potential fights in the making) and here, where he responds to a huge post belonging to dont panic by saying "i'll sheep this other than jarjar" The only two scum reads in donts post are jar jar and shiapi... This is the safest sheep I've ever seen. He can always point back to it if someone accuses him of jumping on the shiapi train but at the time its such a soft admission thats it's easy for it to go unnoticed. Which it did for the most part. Mattchew is playing obsencley diplomatic this game, which is scummy in of itself and doubly so considering it just doesn't fit his play style. With the lone exception of his read on Side Mattchew doesnt make arguments, or explain his convictions, he just throws his voice around and assumes it carries some weight. He has no interest in promoting town discussion, or defending himself, or providing reasons for his accusations. Its probally meant to come off as belligerent townie, but I've played with Matt before and this game he just seems to have no interest in developing the thread whatsoever, although he does seem to want to look like as if hes contributing and present when town needs him. In general, Mattchew, a fairly argumentative player has done his best to avoid and diffuse arguments, ie here he attempts to dodge a fight with Rayn. Actually a serious question Mattchew; Do you even read what people's posts say and do you think why do they say what they do? i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct Rayn posted a reasonable case on Matt and Matt deigned to only respond to this one emotional tidbit. When Rayn got aggravated with the deflection Matt just ends the argument with an ultimatum that he knows Rayn lacks the power to act upon. finally, he responded in similar fashion to my call out of him by saying I'm "interesting" and leaving it at that. He drops the thread there until much later in the game, after I've been inactive for a good long while, and says this. mordanis and gumshoe would be great lynches Once again no reasoning, and once again the target of his affections are two lurkers who may very well not post back at all. The shallow boldness of his accusations are in direct conflict with the coward like manner in which he engages others. It's as if hes combined the worst bits of town bravado and scum passiveness to form what might very well be one of the most useless in game entities I've come across. I also find Grack and Mordanis pretty fishy, but I'm not that confident about the Roni and as for Mord (whose done extremely little, even taking into account his trip) it's the same story as before, I dont think Matt and him are scum together and this time I aint going to make the mistake of not choosing Matt. But if the wind blows thier way I wouldnt mind lynching either of them. Rather not lynch a lurker today, that didnt really work out last time (although Shiao wasn't exactly a lurker). As for the night kills, I'm pretty sure scum were just trying to snipe blue, cant see any other reason why they would kill Thrawn. Anyone have any questions for me? | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 03:19 Grackaroni wrote: I like that case a lot Gumshoe. That makes things tough on me cause I'm not sure I like you ) : but I'll leave you be for now seeing as I'm pretty damm convinced Matt is scum. Thoughts on bum and Jar? Had them pinged as town before but that might have been a bit presumptive. Would really like to hear some more out of Bum especially. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 02:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: wtf? was the NesTea pic not an Fn cop claim? Why did you post it? This will be the last thing said about blue roles today, there is only a parity cop or a doctor. There was no shot block and it's not day 2 yet. Aside from stupidity there is almost no reason to claim a role today (minus a fake boxer one in hopes of avoiding a lynch) and absolutely none for you to be asking about it. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 03:43 roundabound wrote: You know this how? Because i don't. I read the op. Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your warding skills to ward the enemy jungle to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. Your checks interact with roleblocks like this: (link). You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any hope of early game ganks. Each night you can ward the tribush to stop an incoming gank. Remember, support is the most important role. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. BoxeR (Named VT): You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, you just switched over, and you're an AP carry so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. Heck, there's even a fake FoxeR at this point, so there could even be 3 of you. Find and destroy the cheesers. Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote: ![[image loading]](http://wagmsworld.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mike-tyson-punch-out.jpg) I read the op Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your warding skills to ward the enemy jungle to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. Your checks interact with roleblocks like this: (link). You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any hope of early game ganks. Each night you can ward the tribush to stop an incoming gank. Remember, support is the most important role. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. BoxeR (Named VT): You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, you just switched over, and you're an AP carry so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. Heck, there's even a fake FoxeR at this point, so there could even be 3 of you. Find and destroy the cheesers. Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 03:43 roundabound wrote: You know this how? Because i don't. ##Vote: gumshoe Goddamit EBWOP! Progamer (Vanilla Townie): You're one of the best players of your era. You've fought your way here, to the finals of the GOM Special League Season II! Your favorite things are Farming and long walks on the beach. You are a VT. Find and destroy the cheesers. NesTea (Parity Cop): Each night you can use your warding skills to ward the enemy jungle to scout someone and see who they are. However, the metagame is young so you can't really tell what's going on without a comparison point! Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. Your checks interact with roleblocks like this: (link). You can't check yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. HopeTorture (Doctor): You're a huge nerd baller and are here to crush any hope of early game ganks. Each night you can ward the tribush to stop an incoming gank. Remember, support is the most important role. Each night, you can save someone from the nightkill. You can't protect the same player twice in a row. You can't save yourself. Find and destroy the cheesers. BoxeR (Named VT): You are a blue with no powers. Still, you are the legendary BoxeR, so you can of course roleclaim. However, you just switched over, and you're an AP carry so you don't know if you're Lim Yo Hwan or Lee Jung Hoon. Heck, there's even a fake FoxeR at this point, so there could even be 3 of you. Find and destroy the cheesers. Town Win Condition - The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 03:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sidespring claimed Cop. Grack claimed Doctor. It would be stupid to not discuss these things. I guess Irob posted his nestea pic for some other reason but it looked like we were gonna have dueling cop claims. I dont think we should really be trusting what these two are saying regardless, above all there is plenty to discuss and arguments to throw at grack and side that do not run the risk of giving scum a read on our blues. If you want to use thier claims as a reason to level an actual case against them then do so. But talking about the blues before theyve produced results or have a reason to claim is nothing but hurtful for town. Please please please can we all drop this? Thier are several cases in thread that can be picked up (I still dont see a reason not to lynch Mattchew) and if none of them appeal to you then make up your own. Continue to be useless as well if you like, but there will be consequences. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Sorry I think you misunderstood what I meant, there are no roles in this game that should claim on day 1 barring the circumstance I mentioned. Ie that was senstence was meant to say there is no vig or traditional cop. Roles that can be used from the get go. And if I did mean there was only a parity or doc, that would be wrong as well cause there can also be foxer 0_o I really dont know why your jumping on this. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 03:58 sidesprang wrote: Mafia CAN know 100% that there is no chance for town having both Cop and Doc. that is the whole point here IAmRobik... please correct me if they can't know, but as I read it. it seems pretty clear they can. But thats not what I was saying T_T, I meant we have no vig or straight up cop, there is only a parity or doc means we have no roles that can immediately do something unless scum shoots the docs target, this is so stupid. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 19 2014 04:11 roundabound wrote: Ugh okay nevermind, let me go through your Mattchew case. ##unvote ~rayn Good god thank you 0_o. Rayn I would never fucking forgive you if you got me mislynched for no reason AGAIN. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
| ||
| ||
