EPTPoll: Should the 'Drama Queen' award exist?
Yes (20)
80%
No (5)
20%
25 total votes
No (5)
25 total votes
Your vote: Should the 'Drama Queen' award exist?
Why or why not?
Ban List 2.0 Breakout Discussion - Page 10
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
I'd rename it the Toadesstern Award though  | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On January 07 2014 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Random Q/poll: Poll: Should the 'Drama Queen' award exist? Yes (20) No (5) 25 total votes Your vote: Should the 'Drama Queen' award exist? Why or why not? I don't see any reason why it shouldn't, it's quite a fun award. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Poll: Should we eat food? No (23) Yes (3) 26 total votes Your vote: Should we eat food? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On January 09 2014 09:15 Holyflare wrote: When people are actively trying to figure out the game by asking questions of other people and the majority of those questions remain unanswered for an entirety of a day-2 days or the person is asked if they are around but they respond with 1 or 2 lines of non helpful words then I question the commitment of said player to actually solving/playing the game. I understand that questions can be missed but a lot of the time it's just seemingly lack of caring. I get people have RL issues and time constraints but when it is a repetitive issue then something should be discussed. This isn't just for this case specifically because it applies to several instances in different games with different people and I don't know what can be done about it either because people are way too "nice" to go balls deep and punish it or come up with ideas about it because they don't want to step on peoples toes. edit: can move to OO's thread if this is clogging up ban list thread Why not try my host "effort" clause in a couple of games. Its totally fair game to ban people for "lack of caring", as long as they know that when they play the game, they are subject to the host's judgement as to what constitutes effort. Its a burden on the host, but its what cohosts are for. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On January 09 2014 09:30 Holyflare wrote: Well as long as it has your approval i'm totally OK with that effort clause being bannable. I foresee a lot of "but i did put effort in" posts and raging though Sure, but if you sign up for a game and you know that the host has final say on if you put enough effort, you don't have room to complain, if the clause bothers you, don't play in that persons game. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 09 2014 09:39 GMarshal wrote: Sure, but if you sign up for a game and you know that the host has final say on if you put enough effort, you don't have room to complain, if the clause bothers you, don't play in that persons game. Well now we just need to get hosts to start using the clause then. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On January 09 2014 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Well now we just need to get hosts to start using the clause then. I would totally have used that clause for PYP: LoL if I knew that the community in general wouldn't outright reject it. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On January 09 2014 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Well now we just need to get hosts to start using the clause then. I haven't read the discussion too thoroughly so if I'm way off here so be it, (and if the discussion is about a town player not caring, then I agree with the idea that a host should be able to ban him for it) but as scum, not posting/missing questions/not answering certain things/ (not specifically caring?) is a strategy, so it'd be incorrect to punish them. although I'm not sure. in the recent witchcraft II game, vanesco+me lurked pretty friggen hard, and didn't do a lot (we were both scum) and thrawn was going bonkers about the lack of activity and caring. If this clause was present, (since I've already mentioned why scum shouldn't be subject to it in the same capacity town is,) it might be used as a tool to figure out if the not caring person is scum or town. Specifically, if BH implemented the clause, thrawn could be like 'they would have been modkilled if they were town>q.e.d. they are scum' I have ideas and am typing the things and making the words but idk if it was coherent, or if I entirely understood what the conversation was about in the first place. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 09 2014 12:39 Umasi wrote: I haven't read the discussion too thoroughly so if I'm way off here so be it, (and if the discussion is about a town player not caring, then I agree with the idea that a host should be able to ban him for it) but as scum, not posting/missing questions/not answering certain things/ (not specifically caring?) is a strategy, so it'd be incorrect to punish them. although I'm not sure. in the recent witchcraft II game, vanesco+me lurked pretty friggen hard, and didn't do a lot (we were both scum) and thrawn was going bonkers about the lack of activity and caring. If this clause was present, (since I've already mentioned why scum shouldn't be subject to it in the same capacity town is,) it might be used as a tool to figure out if the not caring person is scum or town. Specifically, if BH implemented the clause, thrawn could be like 'they would have been modkilled if they were town>q.e.d. they are scum' I have ideas and am typing the things and making the words but idk if it was coherent, or if I entirely understood what the conversation was about in the first place. I understand what you mean but these bans would be dealt with after the game so wouldn't be used to determine a players alignment within the game. It IS a valid scum tactic to lurk and dodge questions I agree and that is perfectly acceptable within a game but that only works when other people are doing the same thing and if they are doing that as town they are actively playing against their win con's. I do not mind less activity with thoughtful posts and I do not mind people that try and contribute but struggle to post or are blue and want to tone down their posting a bit but almost no activity with little posting of content or literally afking and posting to fulfill posting/voting requirement is a blatant disregard to playing to win. Not ALL games even have to follow these rules, it's totally at the hosts discretion. If this clause was added to a game I expect the level of play to be higher because of it and personally I would be more likely to /in to it over a game without it. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
My point is that there is a base set of clearly define expectations for playing in a game. Shouldn't there be a base set recommended punitive actions for actions in games? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
If I get banned for saying "fuck fuck dicknipples" and spamming GIFs in a GMarshal game but Ace lets it pass, I just adapt to the host in question to play the game I choose to play in. Some hosts are more laid back and some are more strict and we get to pick the games we play in based not only on setup but on who the host is. That's just how things run here, how they have run, and how it seems people want to continue to let it run. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Lurking is a viable strat for scum and there's no reason to take it away, except spammers rage because their annoying spam strat has been countered. yall need to think outside the box. What I value in my games is mafia purity. And by that I mean players can play in any way they choose as long as it doesn't violate a clear cut set of rules layed out before hand. "Effort" is so subjective it's ridiculous. There is going to be a lot of mod action analysis from that. Because in a way lack of effort may be a scumstrat. So if a host gets pissed at lack of effort, that could be a scumtell for that player. And I disagree that the game because impossible for town with lurkers. You're all just bad. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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