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On January 05 2014 17:48 Corazon wrote: Aqua, I hope your Quiet Game of Mini Mafia turns into Quite A Game of Mini Mafia :D It will if you're in it ;D | ||
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On January 07 2014 08:00 iamperfection wrote: Trying a new style. Read: got a mafia PM | ||
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On January 07 2014 10:23 iamperfection wrote: Yamato is the scummiest person of people who have posted he posted nothing of value yet has posted and he has proclaimed himself to be vastly improved as town and has been useless so far lol | ||
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On January 07 2014 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I did. Nothin' yet, but I was curious if there was anything anyone else found worth discussing aside from what's going on currently, 'cause it bores me just a lil'. bro it's like we're on the same wavelength woah | ||
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On January 07 2014 13:36 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet ##Vote: thrawn2112 | ||
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On January 07 2014 14:25 thrawn2112 wrote: ok im sorry i am super high and not willing to focus i will return when i find my focus ##unvote | ||
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On January 07 2014 14:29 thrawn2112 wrote: waitt yamato your vote was serious? If yours was. | ||
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On January 07 2014 14:38 thrawn2112 wrote: your previous opinion was dependent on something you don't currently know? dats cooool go sober up, come back, and explain the vote. | ||
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Did not like these posts On January 07 2014 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not lynching gumshoe this game. On January 07 2014 11:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: WaveofShadow why are you not pissed off for rolling town? On January 07 2014 13:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure i know what makes thrawn mafia and him voting for me is not one of those things. Still don't like that you come in the game voting him, but I understand what you mean. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you want to explain why you don't like those posts or just throw baseless accusations that isn't really an accusation? You're too cavalier this early in the game. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what does that WaveofShadow question quote have to do with me being cavalier? It's just a really dumb question. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Elaborate please. It's also how you play scum. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:36 Corazon wrote: Wow Yamato. You are really playing to your scum meta. First, you post two troll posts and then peace out, only to come back and call Rayn cavalier? That seems really hypocritical to me. There's nothing I've seen that points to Rayn being scum for me. He's playing exactly like I've seen him do countless times as town. You, on the other hand, are throwing your vote around without any care. You're projecting your scummy traits onto Rayn, just like you did to me in Red Team's Prize. Who else would want to join me on a Yamato lynch? ##Vote: Yamato stop | ||
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On January 07 2014 14:53 thrawn2112 wrote: I likely wont be sober then either so may as well do it now. My vote's on rayn until I come across a good reason to move it. Do I think he is scum? No. But I don't think he's town either and I'd like to think that I would if he were. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: No fuck.. Both of you think i am scum (or accuse me..) because you donä't know if i am scum or town? wtf is that shit logic? I said I agree that I should know your alignment better by now and pointed out posts where I don't really understand your reasoning. It's worrying, not a declaration of a certain read. | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:55 Corazon wrote: It wouldn't matter because you've already proven that you don't actually mean anything when you vote someone. shhhhhhhhh | ||
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On January 07 2014 15:57 mkfuba07 wrote: I went to sleep. For countless reasons, my body was weak, and I've got my first day of classes tomorrow(/today) so I'd prefer to be strong! I was actually hoping to still be asleep right now, but my imagination keeps waking me up with stupid additions to a dream I was having. It's actually really frustrating... /rant over This post made me lean scum on cora. Not because he says Iamp is being nonsensical (I would have to jump through his filter to come to a conclusion on that), but because he compares Iamp's play in this game to another player's play in a different game. There's no relation between the two aside from the fact that Cora wants to see Iamp as scummy. Like, if his argument is true (iamp is shitflinging), then the conclusion that he is scum follows naturally. The addition of Xatalos's play in another game makes it seem like he subconsciously knows his argument is weak and needs to legitimize it. The argument can't both follow naturally and also be weak enough for scum Cora to have a pseudo-psychological need to legitimize it. | ||
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On January 07 2014 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a town read on gumshoe, i don't see why saying that makes me more likely to be scum. I asked WoS about his "emotionless opening" because last time i played with him when he was town he raged because he wanted to be mafia, and i wanted to know what's his reasoning for opening the game differently this time. By saying what i did about thrawn i wanted to make him uncomfortable in case he is scum, and i also promised to have a clear read on him later on on D1 which should help you guys figure out my alignment. So what's wrong with those things? This discussion is not meaningful. | ||
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On January 07 2014 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is meaningful to me because you are saying some of my posts worry you and therefore you don't have a town read on me. You are not straight out calling me mafia, but you imply so. When i ask you to clarify you say i posted useless shit and that i am too cavalier. When i ask you how does that make me any alignment you don't have an answer. When i clarify my posts that bothered you you call the conversation meaningless. What exactly were you trying to achieve with your first post? Because to me it looks like there was no purpose as you think the discussion is meaningless as you just said. Why are you making useless posts? Discussing it with you is meaningless past seeing your initial reaction. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato could you please play the game. You're so good as town when you want to participate and i would love some help from you in figuring out this game. I will play tonight. | ||
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On January 08 2014 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is trying to figure out my alignment and does not give a shit what everyone (including me) thinks about it. He is doing stuff his own way, which is not what he does as mafia. This is accurate. On January 08 2014 00:46 mkfuba07 wrote: The weather outside is frightful -_- Just popping in while I have a few minutes before my first class of the quarter :D yamato: do you still think my argument about cora makes no sense after I elaborated? rayn: You said my post made perfect sense, but cora isn't on your scumread list. Por que? Makes sense once you elaborated. As an aside, I do find Cora a somewhat decent lynch target for today given the way he's ridden his "attack" of me as a real contribution to the game. But more on that later when I elaborate on my reads. On January 08 2014 09:32 wherebugsgo wrote: No. I acted like a dickwad to both you and JAT because you're both proving you can't fucking read. in your case it's probably because you're scum. Kush deserves mountains of shit for being a completely worthless player. I do love WBG, I'm pretty confident he's town. He could be tryharding mafia, but there's no point in him getting worked up and putting in so much effort when so many players in this game are not doing so UNLESS he is town. On January 08 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd lynch him atm actually. ##Vote: yamato I'm used to WAY more effort from him on any given D1 at this point. Too much one-liner, too much shutting down of discussion and negativity---and while he's capable of this as town, he's also capable of better play and I don't mind punishing him. Seriously threatening him is also often a good way to get something good out of him one way or another; see LXIII or LXI for examples. Yamato LOVES being tha D1 lynch. This is an absolute shit reason for voting for me. He doesn't think I'm mafia (nor will he call me mafia), but he's content voting me, and perhaps even lynching me, as punishment for "poor play". This is the second time he's mentioned this exact reasoning, yet it now comes with a vote attached as other players begin to jump on the wagon. Coincidence? WoS will join Corazon in an exposition post later on. Also joining them will be the surprise secret guest, whom I will push a lynch on! Because he's mafia! | ||
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On January 08 2014 15:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh rearry yamato? Show me who else was on the yamato wagon when I 'jumped on.' Plenty of people had called me mafia or stated suspicion of me by the time you decided to vote for me. But still, the main point is just how scummy your reasoning is. You don't even necessarily think, that how i'm playing makes me mafia, you just want to lynch me for it. It sounds like a circular way for a mafia player to justify voting for a player they know is town. Plus, I'm apparently your only read in this game and the rest of your posts have been extraordinarily useless, as Rayn has been nice enough to point out. | ||
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On January 08 2014 15:49 WaveofShadow wrote: My posts have not in any way been extraordinarily useless. I have given reads on multiple people (WBG/fuba/iamp/Cora), commented on cases and done a shit ton more than you have. Don't you DARE lecture me on usefulness just because you've finally decided to show your ass up and actually play the game. So scumteam is me Cora and surprise guest? GG guys, we'd better concede, yamato wins. Patronizing me is useless. You're not going to bait me into arguing with you. Also, you're repeatedly dodging the fact that you have shit reason for voting me. Good stuff. | ||
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Corazon On January 07 2014 15:36 Corazon wrote: Wow Yamato. You are really playing to your scum meta. First, you post two troll posts and then peace out, only to come back and call Rayn cavalier? That seems really hypocritical to me. There's nothing I've seen that points to Rayn being scum for me. He's playing exactly like I've seen him do countless times as town. You, on the other hand, are throwing your vote around without any care. You're projecting your scummy traits onto Rayn, just like you did to me in Red Team's Prize. Who else would want to join me on a Yamato lynch? ##Vote: Yamato First of all, this is absolutely indicative of Corazon having not even read my posts. I said what I said about Rayn to see both how thrawn and Rayn would react to me pointing out posts of Rayn's that had weak justifications. Thrawn I did not catch with my reaction trap, but Rayn took the time to explain himself further and gave reasons that I find agreeable. Secondly, I'm using my vote intentionally. I voted thrawn, again, to make him react to me. His vote entrance was not very enlightening, so I decided to make him do stuff. Thrawn is not good at mafia, and forcing him to post is a good way to catch him. It turns out he was just high. I don't have many problems with thrawn at the moment. Lastly, "projecting" is not a scum heuristic. - Fight with WBG Not going to quote any specific posts, but honestly, it seems like Cora is being antagonistic on purpose here, similar to how he was acting towards me. Now, town Corazon is certainly capable of arguing, but it's not as if he picks fights like he's been doing up to this point. On January 08 2014 13:25 Corazon wrote: Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn. Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2. Rayn - you need to stop OMGUSing and overreacting when people vote for you. This debate isn't going to help anyone. This is exactly what derailed the game in BttB. I'm begging for you to please drop this silly argument and resume it D2 or D3. We don't need this right now. Let's focus on actual scummy people like WBG, Yamato, and the inactives (in my opinion, CC, Yamato, Artanis (to an extent), Kush (to an extent, and mkfuba). Policy lynch Rayn if he's alive N2? Lawl. This reasoning is always a bad justification for defending someone, and it's laughable that Corazon uses it here. And the list is too good. Let's talk about inactives, you know, a whole bunch of people I haven't even mentioned? This seems like an effort from a scum Corazon to look like a "mediator", stopping a fight in an effort to "prevent another BttB". It's all too disingenuous coming from Corazon, who I feel like is usually uncaring about people's opinion of him. WaveofShadow On January 08 2014 15:42 yamato77 wrote: Plenty of people had called me mafia or stated suspicion of me by the time you decided to vote for me. But still, the main point is just how scummy your reasoning is. You don't even necessarily think, that how i'm playing makes me mafia, you just want to lynch me for it. It sounds like a circular way for a mafia player to justify voting for a player they know is town. Plus, I'm apparently your only read in this game and the rest of your posts have been extraordinarily useless, as Rayn has been nice enough to point out. Basically this. If you can't even say you think it makes me mafia, there's no good reason for voting me except if you're mafia. And for the final scum read... Drumroll please.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + iamperfection! His entire filter is oneliners except for one random townread of gumshoe. His reasoning is thin, and largely weak. His contribution to the game aside from "kill yamato" is scant. It really looks like he just thinks I'm going to be an easy target. On January 08 2014 11:35 iamperfection wrote: wave didnt run away and is at least posting thoughts so lets kill yamato ## Unvote ##vote yamato In fact, his entire logic here seems to be "WoS is here, so let's kill the guy who isn't" which is ass. His vote hopping looks horrible and this seems like a dumbed-down version of the usual iamperfection town play which is SIMILAR to this, but usually has a clearer, more coherent thought process than "lynch yamato because he's not here". I'd quote more, but honestly, I think I fairly accurately summed up his filter so far. It's not that difficult to divine that this s just a lazy, scummy iamp looking for an easy lynch. ##Vote: iamperfection | ||
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On January 08 2014 16:35 thrawn2112 wrote: He wanted to lynch you before WoS became a wagon. Where in his filter can you not find a coherent thought process? I don't understand why he switched to WoS, nor do I understand why he switched off. Nor does he seem interested in trying to figure out many people's alignments in this game. Much of his filter, like Cora's, is comprised of "lynch yamato because he's lurking" which is just not good justification. | ||
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On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: @ yamato (mainly); I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum. He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it. So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy? I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing. That's a good point against WoS, and many just reinforces my claim that he's mafia having a really hard time talking his way on top my wagon without looking super suspicious doing it. I do want to see more from iamp, but I'm predicting a future where he comes in and continues to call me mafia, only now it's because of my attack on him. Repeat this for Corazon, neither player does anything else today but try to get me lynched. I may like WoS as a lynch more now that you bring up that point. | ||
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On January 08 2014 17:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato, on other people: fuba, bugs, gumshoe town - agree/disagree? What do you think of thrawn? Agree mostly on town reads. Gumshoe is the weakest though, he hasn't been around much since the start. Thrawn is an enigma. He's here, but not posting much. I don't think he's mafia but it's hard to find concrete reasons to call him town. | ||
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CC/Artanis are question marks. Interaction is odd, but I don't know what to make of it. Haven't paid much attention to it. Kush - kush. I think you are town, Rayn. Am I forgetting anyone? | ||
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On January 08 2014 23:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Here's what I don't understand about Yamato (who, by the way, is clearly not reading the thread properly, as can be seen by one single thing that in fact makes his case on iamp completely pointless) He comes back and posts a bunch of stuff on Cora and WoS. The stuff on Cora is fine, the stuff on WoS is also mostly fine but probably not exactly entirely true in the context of the game (read: it sounds like a filtercase) and the stuff on iamperfection, while partly true, is...lol. The amount of evidence there to call iamp scum is honesty vastly underwhelming compared to yamato's description of Cora's play. Yet, the most important part is that Yamato voted iamp. But he did one thing, and put it into spoilers. The host did not count the vote. If Yamato were reading the thread and truly were interested in killing iamperfection, wouldn't he revote after there were two indications that his vote had not been counted? There was both a host message and a vote count. Smells like he's not reading the thread. Well, bugs, that would be meaningful, but my vote on iamp doesn't do much unless I discuss with other people and they agree with me, so it doesn't really make any difference to me at this moment whether it was counted or not. Obviously it still had the desired effect of forcing him to respond. If that's your biggest gripe with my play then I don't see the problem here. I have a dentist appointment I have to go to, and after I'm back, we're going to find a good lynch. I'll deal with iamp at that time. | ||
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On January 08 2014 23:35 wherebugsgo wrote: The other thing that is completely scummy as fuck is that he took so much time to come back with something so underwhelming. If he truly were interested in killing iamp he'd be scrambling for us to voteswitch, yet he basically did juuuust enough to throw suspicion off himself. The day ends in like 9 hours, surely Yamato is not dumb enough to have missed that. So, why did he pop back in, vote, and then leave? No push to convince people that they are wrong about him and, more importantly, wrong about iamperfection? If he were reading the thread wouldn't he know how townish several people have labeled iamp (I myself said something about it). If he actually cared, he'd definitely have noticed that his vote didn't count. Instead he just disappeared right after posting. That's something scum do. How many times have you all played scum to have a teammate say, "Oh hey, just make a post so we can get the heat off you." Making a case and then not following through on it is what scum do, not town. I'm still here. Post invalidated. | ||
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On January 08 2014 23:37 iamperfection wrote: then what do you have to say your case is bad and you should feel bad about it and why did you clam up for like 20 mins when i showed up? Was watching agdq, now going to dentist. We'll sort this out later. In the mean time, you should be thinking about other people you'd rather see lynched, because at the moment, I'm less interested in lynching you. | ||
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On January 08 2014 23:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Your mere presence does not invalidate my post, in fact it does the exact opposite. You responded so fast to me that it suggests you've been actively lurking this entire time. That's even worse, since it means rather than neglect/being afk (which would actually make you look more townie-if you legitimately did not have time) you actually knew that your vote didn't count, you did not respond to iamperfection, and you CHOSE not to further your case. All things that are even scummier than my original points because it displays that you were present yet unwilling to push your case. The fact that your best argument against what I am saying is your mere presence in the thread is pathetic. You cannot Catch 22 me by saying I'm not here and then complaining that I'm "lurking" when I do post. I'm not reading the thread every second but in intervals. If that's really the strongest argument at this point you can come up with to call me mafia then it's just shitty confirmation bias. On January 08 2014 23:44 iamperfection wrote: like all i did was basically call you bad for a page yamato that makes me town? Im getting more of the sense you just want to not lynch me because you know it wont work and our just desperate to survive rather than figuring out alignments. I predicted you would do this. I don't really feel like it's productive to push a lynch on a player like you who is obviously intent on arguing with me regardless of your alignment. It frustrates me that you and bugs have essentially glossed over the other two reads I have in favor of making this a me vs. you scenario which I think would be unproductive. You seem to display little inherent guilt, so it seems to me like you think you should be understandable. It's possible enough that I misjudged your effort this game. On January 08 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote; ##Vote: yamato77 Yeah the quote i brought up is really terrible. This is really bad from Rayn. He's been defending me most of the game so far and now he suddenly has a change of heart once things go south? He didn't even wait for my response for why I've shifted away from iamp, he just sheeps the lynch. I thought he was town but this is fishy. On January 08 2014 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not? You and yamato seem pretty keen on steering this way based on all you've said thus far, though I do admit I find it curious neither of you bothered to vote for the stronger of your shared scumreads during your little circlejerk session. I didn't mind not having a vote counted because I'm not as certain about my reads as I'd like to be. I would like you to explain in further detail why it is that you're voting me, however, as you STILL haven't answered my accusation. On January 09 2014 00:33 Corazon wrote: Hey guys, sorry for leaving at a really bad time last night. Yeah, I know it looks really scummy for me, but I was starting to get really frustrated and I just needed to take a break before I said anything that would hurt my efforts to be less of a dick on these forums. To the people who said I was complaining about my words being twisted and not providing proof: It's ridiculous that WoS and WBG have to twist my words in order to attack me. It definitely is not a point in their favor, although I doubt either of them are going to be lynched today. So back on topic about people who are going to be lynched today, Yamato decided to put all that effort into posting about the game and defending himself, then votes Iamp and doesn't even try to convince others of the push. It was also mentioned before that he has not revoted for Iamp since he put it in 5 spoilers. If he was trying to push an Iamp lynch, why would he talk about the rest of the game and write all of the stuff he did on me/Wave/everyone else? Does he really even believe that Iamp is scum? Since he's not trying to back his read up, it just looks like he is using it to satisfy the people who were saying that he wasn't participating. ##unvote ##Vote: Yamato This is horrible reasoning and basically just parroting. EVEN IF I think iamp is mafia (not as sure about it at this point in time), I'm not ONLY going to talk about him. Don't be ridiculous. I've answered everything else to do with why I did not care for the voting situation already. On January 09 2014 00:54 iamperfection wrote: like it seems to me kind of constructed like you just summed up what bugs me and rayn said over the last few pages. I think a townie would just come in and drop the vote saying along the lines like ya hes scum or something like that. Someone else noticed that shit. Happens to be iamp. Hm. MAYBE I COULD HAVE BEEN WRONG, LIKE I CONSIDERED. At this point in time, Cora is the best lynch unless WoS' reply is so shit I feel like murdering him. ##Vote: Corazon I have enough time for ONLY THIS POST right now, I will be back WITHIN AN HOUR to discuss reads/prove my innocence. | ||
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On January 09 2014 01:51 iamperfection wrote: why did you drop your read on me when you did yamato? you say you may have been wrong now but when you dropped it you said nothing why? Because I was leaving for the dentist and didn't have the time to explain at length. Now I'm annoying my girlfriend even just by being on my phone to answer this. I cannot always be present in the thread to explain everything as clear as I want. | ||
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On January 09 2014 02:58 thrawn2112 wrote: Hi. I have work in a couple hours so I will likely be missing the deadline. Nothing that's happened since I've left has made me feel all that different about Corazon or Yamato, and I don't have any problems with them as a scum team. What yamato did upon his return does not clear him from wasting most of D1, his attack on iamp was weak and very beneath a town yamato. If town yamato actually thought iamp was scum I'd expect that case to not be so underwhelming. Corazon still needs to tell me why he automatically assumed I'm town. I'm probably going to leave my vote on Corazon but I'm down for yamato too. Maybe it would be helpful if you noted that I think I was wrong. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote: Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie. I do agree with this. I do not like grouping Cora and kush together, and I certainly don't like that Rayn is trying to push a lynch on either for grounds of "policy". I think there are legitimate reasons to think, Cora is scummy, but I will not support his lynch if it turns into a policy vote. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:27 Corazon wrote: This is my attack on scum Yamato from red team's prize. As you can see, I basically accused him of projecting his scummy traits onto me. As Yamato stated himself, normally this wouldn't be incriminating. However, this post proves that what Yamato is doing is directly in line with what he does as scum. His attack on Rayn, calling him cavalier while being cavalier himself, follows this meta. Calling me out for parroting when doing so is parroting, follows this meta. That, along with the other non-meta points earlier (about the lack of activity + the fact that he's not actively pushing for an Iamp lynch (hell, he put it in a spoiler)), makes it pretty clear to me that Yamato is scum and needs to be lynched. You're not even reading the thread. I already responded to this argument, as well as explained my iamp read and how its changed. You're mafia. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:35 Corazon wrote: Wave, look at the fucking proof I gave you. You've made posts saying how scummy I am because you are interpreting posts without looking at them. You are saying I am scummy because of a reason that is completely irrelevant because you are twisting my words. This isn't any grudge I have against you, this is based on what you've done this game. You lied about what I said, and then completely ignored me when I said "Wave, that simply is not what I said. How could you come to this conclusion?" You know it is scummy, so you are trying to sweep it under the rug. Yamato, you haven't responded to how you are playing to your scum meta. I just gave proof that you are playing like you do as scum, don't try and blow that part of the case away. Meta is ass. Stop trying to meta me. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:36 iamperfection wrote: yamato before i unvote you i need one thing explained to me like im 5. You said you had misgivings about me as being scum when i came back what particular posts or what did i do SPECIFICALLY that made you think that. That's the one barrier right now that i cant get past. Stuff like this: On January 08 2014 23:28 iamperfection wrote: its the opposite of scummy and both of you should know that it brings attention to myself when i didn't need to i could have just sat with my vote. Where you show no guilty mindset whatsoever. You don't seem to think we should think you're mafia whatsoever, so it makes me think you're town. It's a decent towntell. On January 08 2014 23:39 iamperfection wrote: he was giving reads and giving thoughts made him seem less scummy to me its not rocket science rayn More of the same. You think it should be easy to understand. You're not trying to pander to people or posting in fear, you're just posting whatever you want. Feels more like town iamp that I remember. | ||
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Yes it is. If you can't justify voting for me beyond comparison to ONE SCUM GAME I had FOREVER AGO, your argument is ass. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: yamato Thrawn. You're better than this as town. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:44 Corazon wrote: You just used meta to call thrawn town. Why are you contradicting yourself? There's a difference between me saying thrawn is TOWNIER for posting at all because he doesn't post as scum and saying that I am mafia because I did this one abstract thing one game that's not even a scum tell and it kind of looks like I'm doing it this game in some weird, Corazon-logic way, so that makes me mafia. If you don't understand the difference, you still have a lot to learn. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:44 Corazon wrote: EBWOP: Iamp, not thrawn. Same argument applies. You don't know how to use meta if you think your argument is good. | ||
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On January 09 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote: That still doesn't explain why you said "meta is ass" and then said "this looks like the town Iamp I remember" YOUR meta is ass. | ||
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If I get lynched, you're all at fault and you can blame yourselves when I flip town. peace | ||
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On January 09 2014 04:19 justanothertownie wrote: You will come back before the lynch I hope? I'm reading. If I see something worth responding to I will but these past few pages are just Cora arguing with various people and I'm not interested in participating in that anymore. | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:07 thrawn2112 wrote: I've seen you as town afk from the thread and come back with reads that you are confident about and very proud of to the point that you call everyone bad and tell them all to sheep you. Here you provided a weak case embedded in layers of spoilers that you clearly didn't care to push. I'm demoralized atm, I really don't even care what happens this game that much. | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:08 thrawn2112 wrote: also if you were town i think you'd be a lot meaner to everyone accusing you I would use stronger words, but I'm trying not to be belligerent and make this thread any worse than it is. | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:08 Corazon wrote: Then why did you make a giant post and vote Iamp straight away? No one had really talked about him before you made that post, and then you just voted for Iamp without doing your "town thing" of gauging reactions from the thread. That doesn't make sense. I don't always do it. Jesus you're thick. | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:15 Corazon wrote: You're not helping my theory that you did not really believe in your Iamp lynch and just wrote it because people were asking for activity from you. I also wrote two other things that you're ignoring, instead choosing to focus on the one thing I've actually said I was wrong about. Go away. | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:19 Corazon wrote: My problem is that you failed to mention your 180 on Iamp until you just sheeped everyone else and voted for me. That's what I find scummy. I mentioned it before. Also, it's not sheeping when I make a fucking case on you myself. Again, read the damn game. | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:21 Corazon wrote: Everyone talks about how I'm scummy Yamato makes a case and votes on me That's sheeping whatever | ||
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On January 09 2014 05:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Sure, everyone gauges reactions, but the manner matters. Most townies will often confidently push their lynch, even if sometimes they are not truly completely confident, because if their argument is persuasive, then it will gain momentum on its own merits. I do not believe that you are an exception to this. You pushed a weak case on a player who was obviously not being suspected by many players, if any at all. That he was unsuspected was pretty obvious even though no one actually outright said so. As town, if I had a dissenting opinion and I thought it was important enough to vote the target more than 24 hours into the day I'd probably come back yelling at people to not become complacent and let someone like iamp slip through the cracks as "towny enough". Yet, you didn't do that. You even knew the vote wasn't valid and you didn't bother reaffirming it. A person's vote in the game is pretty much the only thing we can truly hold them accountable for, because regardless of what they say the vote is what ultimately matters. This is just basics, anyone who has played the game as much as you should know it. I don't think you're a bad player and thus the avenue you took regarding iamp is really scummy. For anyone who is interested, try reading these following posts and try to guess Yamato's alignment in each. I've pulled almost all of these from day 1s of games in an attempt to keep them mostly homogeneous, though they may come from games of different sizes and types. + Show Spoiler + yamato77 wrote: I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them. First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours. What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town. If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. + Show Spoiler + yamato77 wrote: Mattchew, what exactly is a "sandroba type player" to you? And how does he differ from Marv in the early game? I agree that catching Marv early is hard, but I don't know how that makes him different from Sandro. Is sandro easy to catch as mafia or something? Also, I don't understand how you think playing with the assumption that marv = town is a good idea. While he's often pro-town as mafia or scum, wouldn't you not want to let yourself be influenced by marv's opinions on the alignments of players if he is mafia? + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 16:20 yamato77 wrote: Let me walk you through my thought process on Zess, since that seems to be what people think I'm not explaining. When someone starts the game as he did, voting a player under "random" pretensions, I immediately am inclined to think they're mafia. It's a very dumb way to look like you're playing around and being funny with the rest of town, when in reality you're starting what sometimes becomes a trend, establishing an early atmosphere of voting people on a whim, for almost no reason at all. It is in these types of environments that mafia thrive. And indeed, it did turn into a trend as soon as he threw his vote on me for something completely townie, and barely justifying it. How is me trying to figure out people's alignments scummy? To be clear, when I "insinuated" that Mattchew/Syllo were mafia, I was in the process of attempting to get information that would lead me toward their alignment. i consider the possibility that they are mafia, because in some way, what they're doing could come from a mafia perspective. In fact, since that time, the information I've been able to ascertain has told me the opposite, they seem town. Why does he want to paint me scum so quick for this? And indeed, when I indirectly ask about his read, he says he hasn't called me scum. What sense does this make? If anything, it only serves to strengthen my bias against him, that he's not playing to figure out my alignment, he's playing to stir shit up with me and fuck off with his reads. His other "reads" have been very noncommittal, especially with regards to Marv, where he says he "agrees with Toad" (who has voted for Marv) and then lists a whole bunch of reasons he isn't jumping on it. Waiting for the opportune moment, I presume? Perhaps I haven't really explained myself thoroughly up to this point, but when you look at him from my perspective, Zess' play makes no sense for a townie. The fact that he's continued to be spammy and contentless since my early vote on him only serves to steel my resolve. Dude is mafia. Many of them only really make sense in context, though (the previous one might be one of those) With that said, check out his filter from this game as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=yamato77&view=all Notice the tone, try to put yourself in the shoes of the player from both alignments. What makes more sense? The timestamps are also helpful, as they give an insight into activity level. Look dude, I made the vote to see what he'd do. If he did nothing else in response, I would have been fine lynching him. But he didn't, and his response was townish, and I dropped a case I admittedly didn't think was that strong after seeing how the thread responded to it. End of story. Meta comparisons are not strong here. I am not playing like I have as town in the past. | ||
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Did you read Extractor? That's why I'm demoralized. | ||
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WHAT THE HELL GUYS, WHO KNEW THAT COULD HAPPEN | ||
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On January 09 2014 09:32 wherebugsgo wrote: stfu you're confirmed nothing at this point. If the vote was between two scum yesterday the incentive to bus would have been incredibly strong. So no, your alignment is completely divorced from corazon and the fact that you would dare try to use his flip in such a manner without actually having done anything is incredibly scummy. whatever dude, we're not lynching me you don't lynch the counterwagon to scum the day after you lynch scum. plus, he called me mafia extremely early on and voted me. like I said, for this to be the case, we would literally have had to have planned it from the beginning. | ||
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On January 09 2014 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote: also you didn't push him until it was amply clear that your case on iamperfection wasn't going to fly. Don't try to pretend that us pressuring you into providing a corazon vote was actually you pushing corazon independently. I'm sure had anyone been dumb enough to agree with you on iamperfection you would never have bothered switching to Cora. iamp was the reason I switched off iamp but whatever, just don't go into D2 thinking you're going to lynch me and let me play the game independent of all of you yelling at me. | ||
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On January 09 2014 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote: no, you're just wrong. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that, because I for a fact know how bad scum players are so readily willing to bus their teammates at the hint of weakness. This happens even early in games, simply because certain players are too bad to understand how omniscience taints their ability to understand the strength of a townie's read. whatever if you REALLY still think I could be scum after that flip, you're seriously paranoid | ||
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On January 09 2014 14:54 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + (few weeks back) Corazon: Hey man hows life hey you wanna never accuse each other in future mafia games? (few weeks back - 1 day) Thrawn: yea sounds good esp if they are hosted by aquanim ^^ Proof that Corazon has reason to not attack me Anyway I've decided gumshoe isn't mafia because I finally think he's serious about this. rofl | ||
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It seems like WoS is afraid of calling people mafia, I think it's pretty scummy. | ||
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On January 09 2014 16:05 wherebugsgo wrote: I am not suggesting though, that yamato has to be scum. He very well could be based on how much of a useless asshole he continues to be. However, considering him town is stupid. In fact I would say it is so stupid that it's even worse than someone coming up with an elaborate conspiracy that Yamato had to have bussed, because at the very least in the second case the player still leaves open the possibility of killing Yamato. In the first case it is nearly impossible to convince a player who has taken on the mentality that counter wagons have to be of opposite alignment to lynch someone like that later in the game when it is completely obvious that you have no choice left. unless you plan on lynching me, you should plan on finding mafia. I do not like how well timed your switch is nor that you so easily bought into letting me live after badgering me so hard most of the day | ||
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On January 09 2014 16:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm lecturing you assholes because you're all saying really stupid things like "day 1 countered wagons have to be town" and "if we kill a townie we just rinse and repeat" If it didn't sound like you were all clueless I wouldn't have to keep yelling at you for forgetting the newbie guide. Do you think WoS voting reasoning is scummy or no? Basically, CTRL + F his filter, find his vote posts, and tell me what you think | ||
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On January 09 2014 16:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Not in the least, no, WoS's reasoning at least to me seems very organic. The tone and thought process he displays is completely open and actually quite thorough. If more townies played like him it'd be great, because even if their reads are wrong you can be sure they've given you a real opinion that they've independently thought about, regardless of what you end up doing with that opinion. While I didn't agree with some things he said, almost everything he's said so far makes complete sense from a town perspective. The only thing that can be labelled at all scummy is the hesitation to vote corazon, but even that has a far likelier town explanation-he was probably afraid his interaction with Cora (the one that's really hard to fake if they're both scum, btw) caused his opinion on him to be biased. So you don't think his justification for lynching Cora being mainly policy is fishy at all? | ||
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