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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:54 austinmcc wrote: mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness. Is this directed at any individual in specific or are you just suggesting that the opportunity is there? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=16#318 This post seems odd to me. He just gets into the thread, and yet seems angry for some reason? He seems angry at Hapa I dunno why. Most of his post revolves around some small unimportant shit. He "pressures" Hapa because he didn't accuse Foo for Foo's town read on him, and because Hapa apparently backed down his "pressure" of sandro. I mean, those are valid concerns to pressure, but the way Holy does is odd as hell. He pushes it like it's some super awesome case. He addresses Hapa like he's cornered scum. don't understand why this conversation was ended around here. We absolutely should be pushing everyone and not letting them ignore posts and accusations directed at them. It's a team game where we have to demonstrate our townieness to each other. Why should we let a player not participate in the game just because he gets better later when in fact we have the potential to learn more about his alignment today? This sentiment was echoed by hapa BUT THEN TOTALLY CONTRADICTED AS WELL. I don't understand the mindset behind this. You suggest we find his alignment by way of pressure but then give into the sentiment of other players of which you do not know the alignment of and say that we should not pressure him because he won't respond instead of taking the initiative of your confirmed alignment to yourself and pressuring sandroba yourself. This isn't something a townie mindset does at all. I'm interested to hear your reasoning before I put my vote down on you though because there's no reason being hasty. There are 2 things I find scummy about this: 1)He's super pissed of for no reason at all (I mean...read his all-caps sentence). A townie wouldn't be this pissed off on their 1st post against someone they haven't interacted with at the moment, and someone that didn't fuck up or did anything wrong (Hapa was actually pretty active by then, and apparently "pro-town", so why get so angry at him?). Unfounded anger and aggressiveness are mafia traits, either because he feels angry or mad at being scum, or because it's a scum agenda he's pushing. 2)The bolded bit seems too extreme to me, and also includes the fastest backpedalling I've seen. He considers Hapa not caring about sandro anymore. I mean, he even got that wrong (Hapa's "pressure sandro" is actually a line of reasoning to pressure WOS and kita; Hapa doesn't think himself that everybody should vote and pressure sandro until his head explodes or something). Saying that "This isn't something a townie mindset does at all" makes no sense. But then he doesn't keep that up and backpedals saying he doesn't want to be "hasty" or some shit. This post reads all wrong to me. Also, should I point the obvious contradictions?: We absolutely should be pushing everyone and not letting them ignore posts and accusations directed at them. It's a team game where we have to demonstrate our townieness to each other. Why should we let a player not participate in the game just because he gets better later when in fact we have the potential to learn more about his alignment today? On January 21 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote: Why Foolishness over sandroba? They have both posted nothing. Your goal is clearly to lynch a lurker today so why are you going to ignore the rest of what has happened on day 1 when your intentions are already set in stone? On January 22 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote: Realistically though, what is your opinion of Gonzaw's style? I haven't played with him before and I'm not in right now so can't check up on it. Why is he spending so much time on foolishness? On January 22 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote: I do not want to participate in a discussion based on a person with 4 posts, it is futile. Foolishness has posted nothing and gonzaw is spending his entire time focusing on that person .... I have no attitude towards foolishness other than my dislike for his unexplained reads. It's not scummy, it's not towny, I want to know his reasonings before I take my read further. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be town? Yes. I do not know and cannot know until he posts, so of course my attitude to him would be a net null read. For someone so HELLBENT on not letting any lurker go by and pressure them, he sure does let lurker Foolishness go by without pressuring him. Foo has some (founded) accusations against him, and he's lurking. Based on Holy's previous post, this is all good and dandy isn't it! Well, apparently not, since he refuses to acknowledge anything being said about Foo', and clearly states that he doesn't want to participate in a "futile" discussion where he has no "attitude towards foolishness" and is relentlessly going against him for doing what he actually said we should be doing (i.e pressuring the lurkers and not letting them go by even if they get "good later on" and stuff?) This makes no sense in context with his previous post. Also, apparently he thinks that these kind of contradictions "isn't something a townie mindset does at all" (which is what he did to Hapa before). So basically, he is calling himself scum. There's also the fact he thinks it's fine to pressure sandro but not Foolishness, and doesn't state many reasons for that. From his perspective there should be no difference between sandro and Foolishness (they are 2 lurkers who barely post and nobody knows much about them), however in Holy's posts there is a clear difference between them, where he wants to deflect attention from Foo and into sandro. Anyways, I don't want to get too much carried on, but right now i'm leaning towards Foo and Holy being scum, with VE coming up third. I'm open to discussions, and people throwing their ideas (and more importantly, their votes) based on this. I still want to keep my vote on Foo' first, and keep him up for lynch (unless other stuff happens). | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: Right now just in general. Usually I have a list of things to go back and look for, and this would be on it, but I have not parsed through people who have been super super Foo-focused to see if any look particularly red.Is this directed at any individual in specific or are you just suggesting that the opportunity is there? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:54 austinmcc wrote: Can't speak for holy, but with me, it's that given the full menu of anything anyone could be doing, discussion of Foolishness's alignment doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I don't personally feel confident about reading THOSE 3-4 posts as alignment indicative, and don't feel comfortable with reading Foolishness right now. I don't understand anyone else feeling like the BEST read they can get on some scummy dudes is Foolishness. Mainly though, it seems like...good material for scum to post on. Weigh in that he's town, scum, a crocodile, whatever. You can say whatever you want about Foolishness, discuss his alignment until you're blue in the face, but really it comes down to "I think this thing about these 3-4 trolly/nothingposts." Given that, I think it's a more productive topic for scum (they get to post, give reads, but I don't anticipate anyone being lynched later on based primarily/heavily on whatever stance they took on Foolishness right at this second), than it is for town. That's why I don't think discussion should be centered on Foolishness, or heavily concerned with him. I care somewhat about him and his posting, but mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness. The thing is, that when it comes down to Foo', his 3-4 posts are indeed alignment indicative. I also feel, that if Foo is town, unless there is a huge town mob against him they wouldn't really think about going against him. I mean, Town Foo is Town Foo, he'll get those scummers. Would you, as scum, freely go against a Town Foo, for Town Foo later to catch you and crucify you? If Foo is somehow town, then he did leave himself open for scum to have "good material to post on", but I don't think a scummer would feel so confident on going against him like he'd do any random lurker from any other random game. Also, at the very worst, follow this maxim: Sheep marv  Anyways....I kind of feel biased towards this whole "scum Foo" thing, maybe with my VE and Holy reads as well (which interestingly are related to the Foolishness thing as well). I would appreciate new takes on those 2 from other people. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:05 gonzaw wrote: The only game I've played with town Foolishness, I was scum. He and marv flung shit at each other for a while, we/I stoked the fires heavily, and we won a flawless victory. I have never seen miraculous town foolishness, and I'm also an idiot sometimes, so yeah...I'm happy to go against Foolishness as scum. ESPECIALLY in an all-vanilla game, if someone is really a problem you can shoot them and never worry about a doc or getting watched or anything else.The thing is, that when it comes down to Foo', his 3-4 posts are indeed alignment indicative. I also feel, that if Foo is town, unless there is a huge town mob against him they wouldn't really think about going against him. I mean, Town Foo is Town Foo, he'll get those scummers. Would you, as scum, freely go against a Town Foo, for Town Foo later to catch you and crucify you? If Foo is somehow town, then he did leave himself open for scum to have "good material to post on", but I don't think a scummer would feel so confident on going against him like he'd do any random lurker from any other random game. Also, at the very worst, follow this maxim: Sheep marv Anyways....I kind of feel biased towards this whole "scum Foo" thing, maybe with my VE and Holy reads as well (which interestingly are related to the Foolishness thing as well). I would appreciate new takes on those 2 from other people. I actually like point 2 on holy's post about hapa (the backpedaling) and kinda sorta like the contradictory NO LURKERS --> why you guys voting this lurker/that lurker/any lurker stuff. Mainly still just want to see him and hapa chatting in a vacuum right now though. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
There are quite a few questionable people in this game, but by eliminating some obvious town players things start to make more sense. Towniest of towns Hapa VE Kitaman Hapa is by far the most town person in this game? Why, put simply if you read his filter he is here, he is active and he is pushing pro-town agendas. This is seen because he is generating conversation, trying to organize the town and get everyone on the same page, and questioning suspicious players where appropriate. This is not a matter of debate if you have read the thread. Kitaman is similar in matter and this has already been brought to light by a few players. Actually when I started reading the game yesterday his posting reminded me a lot of myself. Slight trolly attitude to try to get things moving, but when push came to shove he was there to call people out on their shit. Now, if you want to read into that and say, "But Foolishness, Kitaman is usually a strong analyzer, posting paragraphs of information and analysis about a person's behavior and actions" I got nothing to say back about that yet. Though I'm sure time will confirm what I think here. The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow: + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him? That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all. If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. where the first two paragraphs seem really out of place and forced, though the last two sentences of the post read very town. However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes. Now I can see why some people have shed some suspicion on him (unlike anyone calling Hapa or Kita mafia), but he just does not feel mafia, and he's definitely interested in the game. Questionable players Austin sandroba marvellosity Holyflare Gonzaw This is roughly in order of most to least town. Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread, and it is also obvious that if they continue their activity then they are town. If they keep going afk for long periods of time then start to worry. But I don't feel like that will happen. The following 3 people are all in the ? category. Marvellosity and Holyflare in particular because for all that they have said I don't feel they have really contributed much. Even as I'm writing this I'm thinking back, "what has marvellosity or holyflare done this game", and I cannot remember a single post they have made. That's a bad sign. Anything mafia indicative off the bat? No so much, but then seem to be here without actually being here. Gonzaw is only questionable and not mafia because of his recent vote on me. As kitaman properly pointed out, gonzaw brought up a lot of new information about the case on me. That's good and productive. But as he also pointed out, gonzaw just kinda did nothing with it. "Oh here you go I did some research, now don't mind me anymore let me go be trolly and lurk some more" is that kinda vibe I got from that. mafia Promethelax WaveOfShadow I will go into a little more detail here. On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Welp, gonna go with my usual opener. I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum. One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today. Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something. What about this post is good? He says generic things that anybody can say. Also the "Let's do something" seems incredibly forced. What does he hope to accomplish by saying that? I don't know (most likely he's mafia) and it feels like he's trying very hard to sound like he's vested in the game (when all he would have to do is just post whatever his thoughts are). And then there's this post as well. On January 21 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think lurkers will be an issue in this game. I'm really confused by your opener though...you want to discuss policy and then you state right after that you don't want to discuss it? Like...discussion of policy on its own isn't scummy imo but why did you go about it so awkwardly? I do agree with the non-aggression thing, but no offense---I'd imagine you'd have to be one of the primary people to agree with that (and it seems as though you have?) Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history? Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one? Which fails to do nothing but ask more questions of which he never followed through on (neither of them really followed through on to be honest), when he could do have done something like actively push Promethelax to say something of substance. The thing about Promethelax is that his first post is a big pile of words and nobody said anything about it besides WoS which was just a passing remark. Here's the post again: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote: Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something. Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers. It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen. I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies. And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum. Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money. So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why. Promethelax even admits that his post is awful and that we should call him out on it. Sounds great to me! This kinda bait is definitely a mafia trait and if he thinks he's posting bad then we should definitely lynch him for it. The reason being, if he knows his post his bad why is he making it in the first place? His initial post accomplishes nothing and says nothing and only adds fluff to the thread. I am also bothered by his most recent thread post: On January 21 2014 22:42 Promethelax wrote: Sometimes it worries me that you and I know each other so well when it comes to this game. Sometimes it makes me warm and fuzzy. People I don't like: Foolishness (total lack of justification and his total dismissal of VE/Hapa as townie v townie, both of them are totally capable of what they have done so far as scum and to just not be interested in them at all is scummy) Kita (said "I don't call people scummy early because it makes people listen to me less later" which isn't true and so totally wired that it rings scummy since I cannot figure out what it gives a town Kita while it does provide some benefit to a scum Kita.) People who are Gonzaw but haven't posted Gonzaw like posts after fluff o'clock : Gonzaw Because all his reads feel very convenient. There is nothing in his filter that gives us new information or his original thoughts. I'm leaving my vote where it is for now, honestly Promethelax is the best lynch right now because the case on him is the strongest, but I need to hear opinions on WaveOfShadow while we have the time. Who we are lynching today: Promethelax, WaveOfShadow. If they died probably not a huge loss: marvellosity, HolyFlare, Gonzaw Everyone else deserves to live another day at the least. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:11 austinmcc wrote: The only game I've played with town Foolishness, I was scum. He and marv flung shit at each other for a while, we/I stoked the fires heavily, and we won a flawless victory. I have never seen miraculous town foolishness, and I'm also an idiot sometimes, so yeah...I'm happy to go against Foolishness as scum. ESPECIALLY in an all-vanilla game, if someone is really a problem you can shoot them and never worry about a doc or getting watched or anything else. I actually like point 2 on holy's post about hapa (the backpedaling) and kinda sorta like the contradictory NO LURKERS --> why you guys voting this lurker/that lurker/any lurker stuff. Mainly still just want to see him and hapa chatting in a vacuum right now though. Hmm, yeah, I tend to overexaggerate my "accusations". I don't really think Holy is 100% confirmed scum or something, but he's getting too suspicious, "careless" and "senseless" by the minute (also apparently he has some vendetta or something against me for some reason....?). Which game are you talking about? I think maybe you are talking about Personality Mafia 2? I put that filter in the links I posted before. I don't want them chatting in a vacuum actually, that rarely gives anything meaningful. Hapa will ask questions, Holy will rationalize his actions and come up with excuses or justifications, and you'll end up "Hmm, so what was the purpose of this?" and gain no significant read on any of them. At least I don't care much for that kind of stuff, I ignore it most of the time. On January 22 2014 06:40 kitaman27 wrote: Are you saying that your vote isn't for activity? If you trying to say that you case has merit, rather than you're voting him because he hasn't produced content, than I think you might be mafia. You can't honestly tell me that you're confident about your vote. Activity is something that, yes is a little bit suspicious, but I dunno how much suspicious would be in Foo's case. Right now though, he is way too inactive so the more time passes the more scummy his inactivity alone appears. (Pre-Edit: Speaking of the devil )I'm voting him for the reasons I posted, both in that "halfassed" post I made, and my big one. Yes, I think all of those combined have some merit. I think your guide is irrelevant to this game. Maybe it would be a nice post game thought, but you can't apply it yet. You're a math guy. Surely you understand the concept of sample size. How can you be confident about your meta read based on a couple of intro posts? My "guide" is a meta case against Foo. You can't just ignore it and say it's "a nice post game thought". Please comment on it. If you can, read 1 town filter and 1 scum filter from the ones I posted, and see if you then agree with what I said or not. Sample size has little to do with catching scum. The only case where it matters is if the guys has a 40 page filter, where you can safely just say "yeah he town". A guy can have a single post in the entire game, and it can be the scummiest thing in the universe that instantly makes you want to tunnel him to death, or the guy can have 10 pages worth of filter and you can find nothing at all inside of it to figure out his alignment. I mean, yeah, it matters, but you can do away with it. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:24 gonzaw wrote: Yup, Personality 2.Which game are you talking about? I think maybe you are talking about Personality Mafia 2? I put that filter in the links I posted before. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 21 2014 12:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'd rather talk about marv. He suggest that the all vanilla setup makes things difficult to start off rather than attempting to generate conversation. On January 21 2014 22:28 kitaman27 wrote: Mostly a weak idea to see if anyone wanted to take it farther than it warranted. Nothing useful really came out of it, besides maybe a few unnecessary defense posts that could possibly be looked at post flip later on in the game. Do you feel Hapa's attempts to generate conversation are town motivated or is he more concerned with personal appearance? I said I was ok with this explanation originally, but mulling it over it doesn't make much sense to me. Kinda weakly attacks me on a dumb basis, and the defence posts? People of either alignment are gonna make comments about how I play (early) Day 1 Anyways the bolded was one of the questions I was talking about. I find it hard to describe but meh. It's like leading by giving options... just weird phrasing. On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? Just a really odd way of asking Wave about his lacklustre start, don't you think? On January 21 2014 13:12 kitaman27 wrote: I'm probably closer to a 2 on Prom than a 10 right now based on your reasoning. Do you think Hapa is mafia for the way he is attacking you? Obvious and leading. On January 21 2014 13:29 kitaman27 wrote: You say that everyone is suspicious for not getting things rolling, yet later decide it's worth defending marv that he is willing to take a back seat role at the start. Do you think VE is the type of player that engages in serious discussion from the start? -snip- Again obvious and leading. On January 21 2014 23:04 kitaman27 wrote: So one of your strongest reads currently is based off a joke post? gonzaw, do you think VE's response to early pressure was a scummy overreaction or simply a concerned townie trying to fight off a bad argument? Again, it's giving binary options... like providing a wrong and right answer. None of these by themselves really suggests that much, but there's so many of them. All leading, or weirdly phrased, or kinda obvious questions. Odd. What I actually find suspicious of kita in light of recent posts is how he's attacking gonzaw. gonzaw has been looking pretty town to me lately, he's eager, lots of big posts, he's commenting on a lot of players, he's suspicious of a lot of players with decent grounds, and yet kita is nitpicking at him for his vote on Foolish compared to kita's. That's unnatural and it's not how I'm viewing the game and it doesn't feel right at all. | ||
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote: Fair enough. We're keying in on different questions. I'm kind of pro-stupid/easy question biased, but yeah, those are relatively simple and aren't in line with the ones I'm noticing. I was more focused on particular points where he really appears to be questioning things I think a townie would be questioning, or is looking at something I think deserves looking at. On a whole, not all the questions fit that mold. austin: I said I was ok with this explanation originally, but mulling it over it doesn't make much sense to me. Kinda weakly attacks me on a dumb basis, and the defence posts? People of either alignment are gonna make comments about how I play (early) Day 1 Anyways the bolded was one of the questions I was talking about. I find it hard to describe but meh. It's like leading by giving options... just weird phrasing. Just a really odd way of asking Wave about his lacklustre start, don't you think? Obvious and leading. Again obvious and leading. Again, it's giving binary options... like providing a wrong and right answer. None of these by themselves really suggests that much, but there's so many of them. All leading, or weirdly phrased, or kinda obvious questions. Odd. What I actually find suspicious of kita in light of recent posts is how he's attacking gonzaw. gonzaw has been looking pretty town to me lately, he's eager, lots of big posts, he's commenting on a lot of players, he's suspicious of a lot of players with decent grounds, and yet kita is nitpicking at him for his vote on Foolish compared to kita's. That's unnatural and it's not how I'm viewing the game and it doesn't feel right at all. For me, there's enough other stuff in there that I don't mind those questions terribly. The VE/hapa bit that you note is obvious and leading, I'm alright with the fact that Kita answers VE's question, has been reading VE and hapa's exchange, and asks VE about a particular facet of a hapa read. The other ones not quite so much, but overall I found enough questions that i LIKE in his posts to discount the ones that are weak and either don't go anywhere or yell THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT WITH A ? AT THE END | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
marv, so, whachu think 'bout Holy and VE-babe? Do you think my suspicions are founded, or that I'm being blinded by my "Foolishness" bis? Actually that question can go for anyone. Voting either Prome or WOS seems like tossing a coin up in the air. The reasonings used to vote for them (by Foo and others), are at best "ehh, perhaps?" to me (Prome's 1st post is obviously WIFOM, so can't really say it's a for or against him). I need to look at bigger trends in behaviour, and interactions of them with others before making a good solid read on either Prome or WOS, or hell even VE and that kind of players. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
WOS made some pointless questions as well (like that one I mentioned before) Hapa made some obvious try-hard questions early on (like some of his questions about kita's vote on sandro). kita did also make those kind of questions Dunno if you can get alignment-indicative stuff out of them. Maybe you can, but I'm not that convinced about kita's. Feel free to continue with your reasoning or pressure if you want though, it doesn't hurt. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote: ok he can stay for now ##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:40 marvellosity wrote: Not more than most of the game. I didn't love his continued hammering on foolishness when nothing really new was entering the thread, but I really do actually like that post on HolyFlare. Do you think gonzaw is suspicious at the moment austin? Apparently people who bring up HolyFlare out of the blue = people who get less suspicious to austin. | ||
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