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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
You always try to keep my focus off Foolishness and onto guys like sandro. Did you read my post? You know that huge one? Scum Foolishness accuses people without backing it up in a "trolling" manner. Read the filters I provided, and that link marv provided as well. Foo's alignment is independent of WOS. I am free to figure out the alignment of both as much as I want. Even if Foo is scum it doesn't exempt WOS and his "nooby" behaviour so far. Also it's kind of a strawman, finding WOS's behaviour weird has no bearing on whatever Foo did against him, it's not black or white. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Do you know the inside of Foolishness head Holy? Can you read his mind? If so please help us figure out Foo's alignment since we seemingly have trouble doing that! | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Realistically though, what is your opinion of Gonzaw's style? I haven't played with him before and I'm not in right now so can't check up on it. Why is he spending so much time on foolishness? This is such a strange question. 1) Why are you talking about him spending so much time on foolishness, when you haven't addressed any of his arguments? Especially... you know... the largest post in the thread currently? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=18#359 2) What is relevant about gonzaw's style so far? He's posted the most content in the thread and has done the most scumhunting of anyone. I don't know how you could raise any questions about his style given what he's posted. 3) Your attitude on Foolishness makes no goddamn sense. In this post, you're deflecting attention from him and puzzled on how gonzaw could spend time on him. Why is he spending so much time on foolishness? ...yet in your posts addressed to me, you repeatedly call foolishness sketchy, scummy, and are generally suspicious of him and his sparse posting. What gives? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
As for not being more critical of the read on myself... well I'm fucking obviously town. That much should be clear from my early-game interest level, and the multitude of players calling me town so early (citing my lack of interest level when I'm mafia in general). If you are town, you are obviously town to yourself. When another player that you do not know the alignment of says you are town, when there was plenty of information that made you look not town, (the stuff that I was bringing up) then alarm bells should ring. I do not know if it's a difference in styles or because I'm just super paranoid in general but these are the things I look out for. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:07 gonzaw wrote: Well Hapa, it's not strange if he's scum isn't it? Yes, naturally. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:00 Hapahauli wrote: This is such a strange question. 1) Why are you talking about him spending so much time on foolishness, when you haven't addressed any of his arguments? Especially... you know... the largest post in the thread currently? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=18#359 2) What is relevant about gonzaw's style so far? He's posted the most content in the thread and has done the most scumhunting of anyone. I don't know how you could raise any questions about his style given what he's posted. 3) Your attitude on Foolishness makes no goddamn sense. In this post, you're deflecting attention from him and puzzled on how gonzaw could spend time on him. ...yet in your posts addressed to me, you repeatedly call foolishness sketchy, scummy, and are generally suspicious of him and his sparse posting. What gives? I do not want to participate in a discussion based on a person with 4 posts, it is futile. Foolishness has posted nothing and gonzaw is spending his entire time focusing on that person. I want to know what Gonzaw is like in other games, does he tunnel like that, does he declare he is not reading the thread till he gets home only to still spend his time on futile research? These are all questions I would like to know the answers to based on people's previous games with him. Just because he has put effort in and has posted does not make him towny. I asked that question specifically to kita because I think me and him are on the same wavelength (he asked gonzaw how long it took him to do the foolishness meta post - what I assumed to be seeing how he was allocating time) and I would like him to elaborate on his thoughts. I have no attitude towards foolishness other than my dislike for his unexplained reads. It's not scummy, it's not towny, I want to know his reasonings before I take my read further. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be town? Yes. I do not know and cannot know until he posts, so of course my attitude to him would be a net null read. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:07 gonzaw wrote: Well Hapa, it's not strange if he's scum isn't it? How about answering the posts directed at you so I can get into your brainz. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Yet I see you questioning gonzaw for making inquiries into said player. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
What is your feeling on gonzaw's meta case on Foolishness? And still, why do you feel that Foolishness is not worth talking about? Even if he has sparely posted, there's not all that much else to talk about in-thread currently, and there's sufficient rationale to be making judgements off Foolishness' posts so far. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
First of all: Damn you Prome you post so weird ;_; Anyways, yeah I'll vote Foolishness. None of his 3 posts make sense to me as town Foo, not a single one. You can play the "aw aww he has too little posts we can't do anything until he posts more!" card all you want but I call bullshit. It's his move now to convince me (us) into changing our votes. ##Vote: Foolishness I got a little interested in VE. At first I found him a little suspicious (when he didn't do much and started shouting and stuff). Then I found him a little bit less suspicious (explaining himself regarding Prome, and some reactions), but now I'm more torn to the suspicious side. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=15#293 You asked a question, and we both answered. But look at the language Wave uses versus mine...I've bolded what I think is an apologetic tone, like he feels bad even for entering discussion. And goes on to ask a completely irrelevant question of Hapa...I mean, I'm not sure exactly "fluffy" means as it pertains to finding scum, but Wave's post seems to fit the bill more than mine does in this particular instance as far as I can see I don't really feel good about VE "painting" WOS suspicious here, yet ignoring it. Okay, maybe he thinks WOS is super town, but that post of his was too "fluffy". The question is: Why couldn't Prome think that too? If VE thought WOS post was too fluffy or scummy, yet he doesn't think WOS is scum (apparently), what stops Prome from reading WOS's posts, find it fluffy/whatever, but not think WOS is scum, and focus on VE instead? Hmm, okay that above wasn't so much suspicion as something that sparked my interest (I kind of think town VE wouldn't really make that somewhat complex thinking regarding Prome's intentions perhaps). I'm more interested in VE's interactions with Foo': On January 21 2014 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote: So Foolish, do you think I'm making mountains of molehills? I've garnered two votes already, and since you didn't vote for me I'm left thinking that you must just disagree with my points? On January 21 2014 16:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude I just went on a rant about someone that is neither of the players you just mentioned. Are you scum Foolish? AGAIN? That kind of pressure, coupled with that kind of "conclusion", makes me think VE now thinks Foo is scum. Okay. Then marv, and kita, and me come and all shit on Foo. Then VE does absolutely nothing and backtracks that "strong" reaction against Foo (specially in a confusing way I couldn't really understand): On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him? That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all. If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. VE didn't post anything in between to change his mind. Foo didn't post anything in between to change his mind. Actually, other guys posted lots of stuff against Foolishness saying how he can be scum. So....why does VE backtrack? VE never mentions Foolishness again. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 22 2014 01:59 gonzaw wrote: If you vote him based on activity that's actually more lame. Town Foo isn't super active as marv either. On January 22 2014 06:28 gonzaw wrote: You can play the "aw aww he has too little posts we can't do anything until he posts more!" card all you want but I call bullshit. It's his move now to convince me (us) into changing our votes. ##Vote: Foolishness Could you explain to me how these two posts differ? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote: This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow Vote with no justification whatsoever. Remember, this is Foo' we are talking about (not FourFace) On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote: Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it? Pointless response, when he should....you know...explain why he's voting (in a "serious" manner) that guy. On January 21 2014 15:59 Foolishness wrote: You and Hapa are two townies that are arguing with each other over nothing. Random town reads on guys for no reason. Again, fails to contribute on anything else, specially his vote and apparently "super obvious scum read that makes this game solved for me" Also this should cover it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=18#359 | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:31 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain to me how these two posts differ? Not sure I follow. The posts differ....ehmm..because they have different letters and words? You said you voted Foo' ONLY because of his activity (that's what I understood). That's kind of lame, compared to everything else said. Then you have people like Holy or austin saying "Leave Foo alone! You can't do anything until he posts more!". That is what I call bullshit. Anyways kita, I'd like a response for this: On January 22 2014 01:59 gonzaw wrote: Anyways Ehmm, I'm not really convinced by this. Yes, I cherry picked, and knew it is kind of pointless. I could have just said "read all his filters", but I needed to at least quote 1 or 2 posts (for those that can't be arsed to read his filters). You can easily read his filters (they are short) and come to the conclusion yourself. I'm wondering though, if you think the guide is wrong or something? You don't mention. Do you realize the differences between "scum Foo trolly start" and "town Foo trolly start"? Why do you insinuate his start this game is his "town trolly start" and not scum? If you vote him based on activity that's actually more lame. Town Foo isn't super active as marv either. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:35 gonzaw wrote: Not sure I follow. The posts differ....ehmm..because they have different letters and words? You said you voted Foo' ONLY because of his activity (that's what I understood). That's kind of lame, compared to everything else said. Are you saying that your vote isn't for activity? If you trying to say that you case has merit, rather than you're voting him because he hasn't produced content, than I think you might be mafia. You can't honestly tell me that you're confident about your vote. On January 22 2014 06:35 gonzaw wrote: Anyways kita, I'd like a response for this: I think your guide is irrelevant to this game. Maybe it would be a nice post game thought, but you can't apply it yet. You're a math guy. Surely you understand the concept of sample size. How can you be confident about your meta read based on a couple of intro posts? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:35 gonzaw wrote: Can't speak for holy, but with me, it's that given the full menu of anything anyone could be doing, discussion of Foolishness's alignment doesn't seem like a good idea to me.Then you have people like Holy or austin saying "Leave Foo alone! You can't do anything until he posts more!". That is what I call bullshit. I don't personally feel confident about reading THOSE 3-4 posts as alignment indicative, and don't feel comfortable with reading Foolishness right now. I don't understand anyone else feeling like the BEST read they can get on some scummy dudes is Foolishness. Mainly though, it seems like...good material for scum to post on. Weigh in that he's town, scum, a crocodile, whatever. You can say whatever you want about Foolishness, discuss his alignment until you're blue in the face, but really it comes down to "I think this thing about these 3-4 trolly/nothingposts." Given that, I think it's a more productive topic for scum (they get to post, give reads, but I don't anticipate anyone being lynched later on based primarily/heavily on whatever stance they took on Foolishness right at this second), than it is for town. That's why I don't think discussion should be centered on Foolishness, or heavily concerned with him. I care somewhat about him and his posting, but mainly it feels like a topic that allows mafia to freely post and keep discussion on Foolishness. | ||
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