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Rayn, are you still interested in becoming mayor or do you propose we should all vote marv?
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duh
Can't argue with that.
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EBWOP: directed at rayn obviously
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On January 13 2014 03:38 Captain Obvious wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 03:06 marvellosity wrote:
I take it from the deafening silence that no, no-one can give me a single reason that Cptn Obvious is town? You must not take the absence of something convincingly town as meaning they are mafia! Perhaps they have not yet had their chance to prove their towniness! In other news, Koshi still has not replied. It concerns me that he is happily chitchatting but stops messaging once I ask for something actually game-related!
Are you actually chezinu? So many exclamation marks.
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On January 13 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
Also JAT.
Why?
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On January 13 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 06:54 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
Also JAT. Why? You aren't your intelligent and independent self. You also say you got to go in a hurry and then stay for 25 minutes. Twice now.
Really Koshi? I am scummy because I stay a little longer than I said before? Explain please.
When I said I was in a hurry I certainly did not stay 25 minutes longer. I remember this as one of my last posts at that time. How would you define my intelligent and independent self? Where is the difference to my usual play?
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On January 13 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is town.
How did you conclude this?
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On January 13 2014 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is town. How did you conclude this? Good reads and chatzy, wanna join?
I don't have the time right now I need to finish a lab report and am really behind on this already due to this game. But on day2 I should have more time and would gladly do so.
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On January 13 2014 07:28 Koshi wrote:First time you said you need to go but made 3 more posts. Maybe it is townie, but I don't remember you doing that in other games. But ok, not scummy for this: + Show Spoiler +On January 12 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:
You are seriously candidating for mayor rayn?
See you in ~ 3 hours. On January 12 2014 02:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Apparently i thought Cheesecake was town last game, i wasn't the driving force behind lynching Corazon and Artanis was an easy catch on N1. But in the end kush might misremember that game..
Apparently in Extractor trick in the end of D1 my scumreads were gumshoe and yamato. I think thrawn can tell more about this.
Also in other games kushm4sta has played with me my D1 reads have been terrible. He won't elaborate more though. Ok, I don't know which games you are talking about but I will take your word for it I guess. On January 12 2014 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ofc i am. Why are people doubting it? I just want to know if it is worthwhile to consider to elect you. Last post for now. On January 12 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
jat, you didn't quite grasp rayn's dripping sarcasm there, did you I obviously didn't. Maybe cause I am in a hurry right now. But here you do it again, and it's not like you got a million posts. You have like 20 posts total back then and 8 are made "in a hurry": + Show Spoiler +On January 12 2014 12:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Anyways I am off for now. It has gotten really late. On January 12 2014 13:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 13:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
Has anyone talked to JAT in pms? I have been recently and I got the impression that he was making up his reads on the spot. Explanations were short and there weren't many conclusions. He also only talked about people that I mentioned first, something I noticed about my own scum mason play (esp the rayn chat) from Time to Die. Does anyone have similar or contrasting experiences with him in pm's? Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is. The thing about the restricted and intelligent thing that is lacking are these 5 consecutive posts of you Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 06:39 justanothertownie wrote:On January 12 2014 06:37 yamato77 wrote:
Well, if it's Chez, we pretty much just ignore/lynch him at our convenience.
It would be nice to know who it is, regardless. Why? The only time I played with Chezinu (PYP) he played really well and townie. Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 07:46 justanothertownie wrote:On January 12 2014 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:
well i retract any reason of lynchinig kush! don't lynch him as he is actually vayne Mind = blown. Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On January 12 2014 07:53 Alakaslam wrote:
What about a mayor you can WotC? I am open. Huh? Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 08:09 justanothertownie wrote:On January 12 2014 08:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 12 2014 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 08:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 12 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 12 2014 03:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 12 2014 03:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's weird to make a post that essentially functions as a list of accusations/scumreads without actually calling anyone scummy/scum/or likely scum and even admitting in suchdoges case that he doubts he is mafia? So what's even the point of saying anything then. Implied suspicion? I think Xatalos is townie from what I know of him. This seems nitpicky. I don't think so at all. You have four or five people listed, you only barely called one of them scum, you're not really asking questions of any of them. If I was on that list I wouldn't feel any need to respond to anything Xatalos said. He talks about suchdoges suspicious behavior then says it's more likely town than scum so what is he even getting at? I wish people would stop posting lists like that, they're the worst posts ever. So DrH you make a post like this where i assume you call Xatalos scummy. About 10 minutes later you PM me about your scumreads and "funny feelings" but Xatalos is not there. Why? what do you mean why You give me a list of your scumreads. I assume you are asking me about what i think of them. If Xatalos is your scumread why the hell is he not on the list? And why are you voting for yamato for mayor if i am going to execute your scumread? i don't like you to be honest i've never hated anyone in a game more than i hate you but i think you're town, i'm being petty This only answers the second question and not the first one. Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:01 justanothertownie wrote:On January 12 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 12 2014 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
forcing a claim out of you is ideal anyway tbh Why, exactly? Were you planning on tunneling this to the ends of the earth? I don't really get this either. Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:43 justanothertownie wrote:On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 11:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement do you have a stronger read on someone else then? No. I have a couple of similar strength though. All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me. This one isn't a scumread as such, but as long as Captain Obvious continues to post only "obvious" stuff and committing to nothing he's going to be next to impossible to read I think. And then there's the eight or so other lurkers. Of the active players I reckon at least most are town. Maybe you could point out the scummy things in my 2 page filter then? Or is my thread presence the only reason for your read? You don't even have one filter page and call other people lurkers... But I just glanced over some pages of PYP and you do this kinda one-liners there as well so mehhhh. okokok You are off the list.
Is your confidence in your other reads of similar strength?
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On January 13 2014 07:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 07:32 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 13 2014 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi is town. How did you conclude this? Good reads and chatzy, wanna join? I don't have the time right now I need to finish a lab report and am really behind on this already due to this game. But on day2 I should have more time and would gladly do so. Again in a hurry are you?
No, not in a hurry. But I can't be playing this game the whole time because I can't get anything done this way.
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On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Show nested quote +Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know.
I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes.
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On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok
Like would you explain this to me?
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On January 13 2014 18:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok Like would you explain this to me? We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him.
Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that.
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On January 13 2014 18:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:54 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok Like would you explain this to me? We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him. Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that. Yes, that would be his goal. But I have to make a call, and my call is that that post was genuine. This part here: "Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality)" looks very much like a real thought process that actually occured in a town aqua's mind
Ok... I actually thought your post about him made plenty of sense and I don't see how this pm can't be written by scum.
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On January 13 2014 18:06 thrawn2112 wrote:Aquanim+ Show Spoiler [thread] +On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote:
All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me.
On January 12 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 19:05 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: <VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers.
<VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else. Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. --note-- i don't believe aqua has followed up on this read at all On January 12 2014 21:34 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On January 12 2014 18:36 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:
"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
and
"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."
?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game. Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...? ##vote: marvellosity It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. "As for WoS, my read is like I said - gut says town, can't find any actual reads he's made so I'm having difficulty substantiating it, and I don't know him well enough to guess whether this raging is characteristic of his town or scum game. I've PMd him to see if he actually has reads he was too mad to post or not - starting with exactly why he thinks VE is town."
"Also, about Gumshoe: putting himself forward as a mayoral candidate put him in the spotlight some so it'd be a ballsy scum move but he's done absolutely nothing since. The following post is a pretty half-assed way to support a Xata lynch. How seriously are you considering him? I'm currently at "if he does nothing significant tomorrow he's a decent lynch"."
"I don't really know a whole lot about Koshi except that I think he's usually more active and more proactive than this. On that basis I'm leaning scum, but I think what this should really mean is "I should go talk to Koshi and find out what he's actually thinking"."
"well he's not posted since I talked about him in the thread. In short, there's nothing about him I find towny and have no objections to seeing him hang, but due to the sheer shortness of his filter there's not enough material for me to be certain. "
"My recollection of what I've seen from justanothertownie in the past is that this isn't *quite* unbelieveable as his towngame, I don't remember him ever having much in the way of strong/accurate/confident reads and pushing them.
Reading those PMs it certainly doesn't feel like he's put a great deal of effort into his reads, but I'm not 100% certain that makes him scum - I've long since ceased to be amazed at the failure of townies to put effort into games. He's certainly jumped up to the top of my scummy list though."
"Leaning scum on Rayn since he hasn't claimed that Mocsta is scum for the clusterf*** between the two of them. Blatant OMGUS is basically all Rayn does as town, isn't it? (based on BttB anyway)
Then again the sheer derpiness which Rayn is exhibiting is a towny indication generally from him. "Talking about reads in PMs is anti-town"... is he drunk or something? Basically I don't want to try to read Rayn because either way reading his posts will pain me.
Mocsta's trolly play is bizarre and not really typical of him, but I think I'll have a chat with him privately. Either he's scum and just trying to shit up the thread or he has some motivation for inciting Rayn, I could believe either. Or maybe he's drunk too.
Kush seems moderately towny but not really enough to judge yet. " The differences should be pretty obvious. Aquanim is clearly player who as town (which he's always rolled previously) likes to put a lot of thought into his reads and effort into his posts. He's doing neither of those this game. His explanations for reads only go surface deep, and many of his reads follow the pattern of "maybe this, maybe that, and here's an out for my future self." He doesn't screw around like that as town. He thinks through a problem, and comes to a conclusion which he clearly states. I've been having trouble getting firm reads out of him for much of the game, and when he considers a person's alignment he only takes small portions of their play into account. This is not the thoughtful town Aquanim that I've played with. I also want to mention that I've been in PM contact with him since 15:40 KST, roughly two hours ago and he has not posted in the thread during that time. I'm fairly sure that I noticed this happening earlier in the game. His thread presence is non-existent, but since that is the case with so many likely-townies because of PMs I'd like to hear if any of you have PM'd him enough to get a read on him.
Am I the only one who has issues with some of those reads?
Even if I put his read on me aside there are problems here:
He states that the only things gumshoe has done were townie - is ok lynching him.
He states Koshi has done nothing townie - true. But Koshi did play like that in recent games and I somehow doubt he would play this blatantly scummy if he was indeed scum. Ok, maybe Aquanim didn't follow those games.
But the kicker is this rayn read. Holy shit.
No, OMGUS is not the thing rayn does at all. I basically fought with rayn for half of the PYP really hard and he still had a townread on me for almost the whole game as far as I know. And I totally agree that discussing reads in pm while maybe helping to figure the specific person out prevents other players from reaching conclusions and isn't that helpful for town as a whole. This seems like a really weak cop out to not have to face rayn and/or his reads.
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On January 13 2014 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 19:04 Mocsta wrote:
The problem I have with Aquanim is he is suspicious to me (at times) in a "dont wear pants on head type of way"; nothing has struck me as promoting scum agenda. It's the way he posts. He has really good posts. Especially lately.
For example?
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On January 13 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 19:23 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:06 thrawn2112 wrote:Aquanim+ Show Spoiler [thread] +On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote:
All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me.
On January 12 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 19:05 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: <VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers.
<VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else. Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. --note-- i don't believe aqua has followed up on this read at all On January 12 2014 21:34 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On January 12 2014 18:36 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:
"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
and
"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."
?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game. Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...? ##vote: marvellosity It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. "As for WoS, my read is like I said - gut says town, can't find any actual reads he's made so I'm having difficulty substantiating it, and I don't know him well enough to guess whether this raging is characteristic of his town or scum game. I've PMd him to see if he actually has reads he was too mad to post or not - starting with exactly why he thinks VE is town."
"Also, about Gumshoe: putting himself forward as a mayoral candidate put him in the spotlight some so it'd be a ballsy scum move but he's done absolutely nothing since. The following post is a pretty half-assed way to support a Xata lynch. How seriously are you considering him? I'm currently at "if he does nothing significant tomorrow he's a decent lynch"."
"I don't really know a whole lot about Koshi except that I think he's usually more active and more proactive than this. On that basis I'm leaning scum, but I think what this should really mean is "I should go talk to Koshi and find out what he's actually thinking"."
"well he's not posted since I talked about him in the thread. In short, there's nothing about him I find towny and have no objections to seeing him hang, but due to the sheer shortness of his filter there's not enough material for me to be certain. "
"My recollection of what I've seen from justanothertownie in the past is that this isn't *quite* unbelieveable as his towngame, I don't remember him ever having much in the way of strong/accurate/confident reads and pushing them.
Reading those PMs it certainly doesn't feel like he's put a great deal of effort into his reads, but I'm not 100% certain that makes him scum - I've long since ceased to be amazed at the failure of townies to put effort into games. He's certainly jumped up to the top of my scummy list though."
"Leaning scum on Rayn since he hasn't claimed that Mocsta is scum for the clusterf*** between the two of them. Blatant OMGUS is basically all Rayn does as town, isn't it? (based on BttB anyway)
Then again the sheer derpiness which Rayn is exhibiting is a towny indication generally from him. "Talking about reads in PMs is anti-town"... is he drunk or something? Basically I don't want to try to read Rayn because either way reading his posts will pain me.
Mocsta's trolly play is bizarre and not really typical of him, but I think I'll have a chat with him privately. Either he's scum and just trying to shit up the thread or he has some motivation for inciting Rayn, I could believe either. Or maybe he's drunk too.
Kush seems moderately towny but not really enough to judge yet. " The differences should be pretty obvious. Aquanim is clearly player who as town (which he's always rolled previously) likes to put a lot of thought into his reads and effort into his posts. He's doing neither of those this game. His explanations for reads only go surface deep, and many of his reads follow the pattern of "maybe this, maybe that, and here's an out for my future self." He doesn't screw around like that as town. He thinks through a problem, and comes to a conclusion which he clearly states. I've been having trouble getting firm reads out of him for much of the game, and when he considers a person's alignment he only takes small portions of their play into account. This is not the thoughtful town Aquanim that I've played with. I also want to mention that I've been in PM contact with him since 15:40 KST, roughly two hours ago and he has not posted in the thread during that time. I'm fairly sure that I noticed this happening earlier in the game. His thread presence is non-existent, but since that is the case with so many likely-townies because of PMs I'd like to hear if any of you have PM'd him enough to get a read on him. Am I the only one who has issues with some of those reads? Even if I put his read on me aside there are problems here: He states that the only things gumshoe has done were townie - is ok lynching him. He states Koshi has done nothing townie - true. But Koshi did play like that in recent games and I somehow doubt he would play this blatantly scummy if he was indeed scum. Ok, maybe Aquanim didn't follow those games. But the kicker is this rayn read. Holy shit. No, OMGUS is not the thing rayn does at all. I basically fought with rayn for half of the PYP really hard and he still had a townread on me for almost the whole game as far as I know. And I totally agree that discussing reads in pm while maybe helping to figure the specific person out prevents other players from reaching conclusions and isn't that helpful for town as a whole. This seems like a really weak cop out to not have to face rayn and/or his reads. Okay then. You've misrepresented my statement on Gumshoe - what I actually said was "what he's done so far is townie, but if what he's done so far is ALL he does then it won't be enough to stop me scum-reading him for being useless" (put more explicitly here to prevent misunderstanding). As for rayn, if you think my view is groundless I guess you didn't read Back to the Basics, which is my only first-hand experience with him. I'm going to recast my question to you very simply. Do you think I am the best lynch tomorrow or not?
You seem like a decent lynch, yes.
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On January 13 2014 19:39 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 19:37 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote:On January 13 2014 19:23 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:06 thrawn2112 wrote:Aquanim+ Show Spoiler [thread] +On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote:
All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me.
On January 12 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 19:05 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: <VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers.
<VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else. Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. --note-- i don't believe aqua has followed up on this read at all On January 12 2014 21:34 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On January 12 2014 18:36 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:
"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
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"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."
?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game. Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...? ##vote: marvellosity It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. "As for WoS, my read is like I said - gut says town, can't find any actual reads he's made so I'm having difficulty substantiating it, and I don't know him well enough to guess whether this raging is characteristic of his town or scum game. I've PMd him to see if he actually has reads he was too mad to post or not - starting with exactly why he thinks VE is town."
"Also, about Gumshoe: putting himself forward as a mayoral candidate put him in the spotlight some so it'd be a ballsy scum move but he's done absolutely nothing since. The following post is a pretty half-assed way to support a Xata lynch. How seriously are you considering him? I'm currently at "if he does nothing significant tomorrow he's a decent lynch"."
"I don't really know a whole lot about Koshi except that I think he's usually more active and more proactive than this. On that basis I'm leaning scum, but I think what this should really mean is "I should go talk to Koshi and find out what he's actually thinking"."
"well he's not posted since I talked about him in the thread. In short, there's nothing about him I find towny and have no objections to seeing him hang, but due to the sheer shortness of his filter there's not enough material for me to be certain. "
"My recollection of what I've seen from justanothertownie in the past is that this isn't *quite* unbelieveable as his towngame, I don't remember him ever having much in the way of strong/accurate/confident reads and pushing them.
Reading those PMs it certainly doesn't feel like he's put a great deal of effort into his reads, but I'm not 100% certain that makes him scum - I've long since ceased to be amazed at the failure of townies to put effort into games. He's certainly jumped up to the top of my scummy list though."
"Leaning scum on Rayn since he hasn't claimed that Mocsta is scum for the clusterf*** between the two of them. Blatant OMGUS is basically all Rayn does as town, isn't it? (based on BttB anyway)
Then again the sheer derpiness which Rayn is exhibiting is a towny indication generally from him. "Talking about reads in PMs is anti-town"... is he drunk or something? Basically I don't want to try to read Rayn because either way reading his posts will pain me.
Mocsta's trolly play is bizarre and not really typical of him, but I think I'll have a chat with him privately. Either he's scum and just trying to shit up the thread or he has some motivation for inciting Rayn, I could believe either. Or maybe he's drunk too.
Kush seems moderately towny but not really enough to judge yet. " The differences should be pretty obvious. Aquanim is clearly player who as town (which he's always rolled previously) likes to put a lot of thought into his reads and effort into his posts. He's doing neither of those this game. His explanations for reads only go surface deep, and many of his reads follow the pattern of "maybe this, maybe that, and here's an out for my future self." He doesn't screw around like that as town. He thinks through a problem, and comes to a conclusion which he clearly states. I've been having trouble getting firm reads out of him for much of the game, and when he considers a person's alignment he only takes small portions of their play into account. This is not the thoughtful town Aquanim that I've played with. I also want to mention that I've been in PM contact with him since 15:40 KST, roughly two hours ago and he has not posted in the thread during that time. I'm fairly sure that I noticed this happening earlier in the game. His thread presence is non-existent, but since that is the case with so many likely-townies because of PMs I'd like to hear if any of you have PM'd him enough to get a read on him. Am I the only one who has issues with some of those reads? Even if I put his read on me aside there are problems here: He states that the only things gumshoe has done were townie - is ok lynching him. He states Koshi has done nothing townie - true. But Koshi did play like that in recent games and I somehow doubt he would play this blatantly scummy if he was indeed scum. Ok, maybe Aquanim didn't follow those games. But the kicker is this rayn read. Holy shit. No, OMGUS is not the thing rayn does at all. I basically fought with rayn for half of the PYP really hard and he still had a townread on me for almost the whole game as far as I know. And I totally agree that discussing reads in pm while maybe helping to figure the specific person out prevents other players from reaching conclusions and isn't that helpful for town as a whole. This seems like a really weak cop out to not have to face rayn and/or his reads. Okay then. You've misrepresented my statement on Gumshoe - what I actually said was "what he's done so far is townie, but if what he's done so far is ALL he does then it won't be enough to stop me scum-reading him for being useless" (put more explicitly here to prevent misunderstanding). As for rayn, if you think my view is groundless I guess you didn't read Back to the Basics, which is my only first-hand experience with him. I'm going to recast my question to you very simply. Do you think I am the best lynch tomorrow or not? You seem like a decent lynch, yes. That wasn't the question I asked. "Decent" isn't the same thing as "best". I want you to say, one way or the other, whether you think at this time there are NO other people in the game who are more likely to flip scum than me.
Luckily it is N1 and the end of day2 is far away. You are the player who I have the worst feeling about right now so if I had to lynch someone this instant it would be you.
I have a problem forming that many scumreads this game because I usually go mostly by PoE and with that many lurkers/replacements + some people only being active in pm this doesn't work that well this game so I have to have to go with what stands out as scummy to me (you).
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On January 13 2014 19:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 19:33 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 13 2014 19:04 Mocsta wrote:
The problem I have with Aquanim is he is suspicious to me (at times) in a "dont wear pants on head type of way"; nothing has struck me as promoting scum agenda. It's the way he posts. He has really good posts. Especially lately. For example? Being suspicious of you, because you had a hard time getting reads cos everyone was in PM's. Now we have a scum flip and you are still not getting anything out of it.
How does being suspicious of me before the flip make him look good then? But you are actually right. I didn't really go back to what Xatalos said yet and should probably do that asap.
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