I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that.

I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 06:20 GMT

#2569

Yeah i worded that poorly. Basically i was trying to ask you if you think he is scum for it or not. idk what that means either, but worth keeping an eye on VE imo.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 06:22 GMT

#2572

On December 04 2013 15:19 geript wrote:

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So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ."

The problem is you never even made a case on Oats. The "case" is spread all over your filter and it was really hardfor me to find why do you even think he is scum. Then you just proceeded into saying "Oats is scum" and a bit later "well Oats is not gonna get lynched, so let's lynch a lurker.. like jay".

I don't think you are very commited into wanting to lynch scum..

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 06:26 GMT

#2575

Ugh, actually i doubt VE would pick parity cop as scum at draft #3.
VE i did go to your filter, didn't read it. Found out that austin is likely to be scum. :p

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 06:30 GMT

#2577

Uhm.. not wanting to lynch scum usually does make people scum, no?

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 10:51 GMT

#2640

So nothing happened besides Koshi posting a list of inventions that are 90% terribad.:/
Koshi any sort of investigation items are the best.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 10:53 GMT

#2643

Hey Koshi i get that you want to do funny inventions, but could you do funny useful inventions?
I could also protect Coagulation because it's funny but i won't because there are more useful targets.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:08 GMT

#2651

On December 04 2013 19:52 marvellosity wrote:

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No they shouldn't.

Lazy metric incoming - geript had 13 pages of filter in LXI over what, 7 or 8 cycles? He's on 9 pages here on Night 1. A pretty good reason to be looking elsewhere right now.

So is Koshi scum, he has usually at least 12 pages of filter after 2 day phases?
Okay vigi should not shoot geript, vigis should shoot all the people with 1 page of filter. But it does not change the fact that geript is scum. He is good player as town and this is nowhere near good. Like kushmasta who clearly does has not cared about the game besides one read has done much more. geript has shouted to peole left and right and had some scumreads i have no idea why they are scum.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:13 GMT

#2656

On December 04 2013 20:08 marvellosity wrote:
oh, you said this yourself a little later rayn. That's why you finish reading the thread and THEN post.

You are the only player i have ever played with who i allow to post before reading the thread without getting extremely irritated with them. Because it's pretty easy to say where you are at that moment and the evolvement of your thought process is clearly to be seen from those posts.

justanothertownie i think you should stop call this man scum, it's pretty easy to figure out he's not.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:14 GMT

#2657

On December 04 2013 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol rayn, posting habits do tell you who is town at the very extremes. For example, if someone has a 40 page filter at the end of day 3, he is very very likely town. If he only has a 5 page filter, that does NOT mean he is scum though. So it is only applicable for 1 alignment.

Yet the town lynched me in LXIII. What gives?

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:14 GMT

#2658

I was pretty obviously town.

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December 04 2013 11:20 GMT

#2661

Well i can aswell the stop playing if we are going to just lynch lurkers. Impossible to tell someone like Coag's or Rean's alignment.Yeah, i can lynch both of them.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:29 GMT

#2665

So i don't understand. Why is ticklishmusic excused from his bad meta read on me (i am still a bit bitter on this) but JohnnyLaw can still be scum when he has done some meta-research.

Ugh, i hate when people hold different standards to different people.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:35 GMT

#2668

And actually, nobody is allowd to use "do you think mafia would pick role X at spot Y?".

Because i will ask you do you think mafia would pick CPRdoctor at spot #20? Well they, would, di, and got it.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:37 GMT

#2672

On December 04 2013 20:32 marvellosity wrote:

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Of course people are held to different standards? That's part of why mafia is interesting, what is a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another person, or infinite other examples. You're going to hold grush to the same standard as Palmar? jaybrundage to the same standard as Foolishness? If syllogism makes bad leaps of logic or doesn't pick up on something he should, he's damn likely to be mafia, but so many average players will routinely make the same mistakes as town.

Weird thing to complain about really.

I don't see the difference between those players. ticklishmusic has not played here, JonnyLaw is quite new. So what's the difference?

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:42 GMT

#2676

EBWOP: Yeah marv, i worded my post poorly, last post of mine is what my concern is. Of course different players should be treated differently, i just don't see the difference between those two guys and therefore i don't understand the different treatment.

Also keep in mind that every character has another power. It's not badfor scum to pick a DT-role now that i think of it. I think i actually argued with LSB about it early on in the game. I would totally pick DT if i was scum. Easy to fake reports and good "fakeclaim" for your other power (because you should never use your other power unless it's a vigi shot and you have confirmed scum).

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 11:46 GMT

#2679

Actually that no-bans was a pretty good idea imo.

If there were just the amount of anti-inv roles there were i would have gone with it.

raynpelikoneet

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December 04 2013 12:00 GMT

#2682

Well we have to agree to disagree on JL then. The point is people who make plans and argue for or against them in PYP games are always gonna be town. Especially right at the game start when mafia has no clear direction. It's always gonna be so. And i am not talking about generic "let's try to pick roles in this order" or "let's massclaim our roles". I am talking about "i want this this and that banned and i agree/diagree this and that is good/bad because of XYZ". JL has to do a lot of bad stuff before i am changing my mind on him. Because that's how i found 6 townies in last PYP in the first 18h and oh boy it was actually really easy.

Obviously not saying VE's pick makes him scum, just saying people should not give him a free pass for "picking a town role", when it's not, especially considering there is a hidden ability (the role is not even useless for scum - besides free town credit & deny town inv-role). VE has done some townie stuff and and i still have a town read on him, just not "you so obv-town" -read.