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Also this is what bothered the most in BC's post to me:
It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.
I would love if mafia offed people based on their roles and not based on who is a good analyst. Even when everyone is blue what wins the game is when people find scum. Lesser analysts are far likely to trust wrong people and do anti-town stuff / make bad decisions with whatever role they have. As scum i would love to see some poor townie have a vigilante role, then shoot 3 townies and after that get lynched for it.
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I would really love if someone told me i am right in when i say BC's reasoning to not claim picks before picking and having roles is based on bullshit. I would also love to know what that means given that he has even hosted a PYP game..
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On December 02 2013 23:51 sandroba wrote:
@rayn I would expect bc to dissagree with w/e I proposed regardless of alignment
My problem is not him disagreeing. It's the way he does it and his reasoning. Like he says "if we all claim scum might kill strong roles over good analysts and that's bad because it will drive town in chaos".
w00t? Scum killing strong analysts and lesser townies fucking up with their roles will drive the town in chaos, not the opposite like he suggests..
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EBWOP:
In the last PYP game someone didn't want to follow any plan because they wanted to pick whatever they wanted and claiming/assigning numbers/roles would take a lot of fun off the game. That was reasonable and i can understand someone thinking so. But making up wrong shit is not reasonable in any way.
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On December 03 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why doesnt anyone want to talk about geript and the fact that he's scum?
If you can somehow point out something that proves he is faking his aggression instead of just claiming so i might be willing to listen.
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LSB - Could you do some scumhunting instead of just mindlessly yelling everyone to massclaim? Like i know it's the best idea but when people are not willing to do it there is nothing you can do about it. Right now it seems like you are intentionally shouting for an idea that's pro-town but what you can never achieve. What's the point?
ticklishmusic - Elaborate on your earlier scumread on me and why did it change. Right the only thing in this game you have done is that you claimed the have had a scumread on the towniest guy in thread, didn't explian it ever and then retracted from it. In addition to this, who do you think is scum now?
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Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this".
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On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy.
It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open.
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On December 03 2013 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open. Hm... I don't know. I don't really see the big benefit. If scum knows who is who they can coordinate their actions much better.
Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town.
If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions.
Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power.
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On December 03 2013 09:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open. but how do you hold people accountable for actions when we only know half of the actions in the game?
Let's say you claim your second action is roleblock.
Later on in the game when there are like 8 people left, if something that's not a roleblock happens, and all other people's actions can be confirmed, you are lying. If you were supposed to roleblock X on N1 and you did not do so, you are lying.
It's really hard to balance with fakeclaiming as scum because you need to actually prove your role. Claim veteran and there is an unaccounted action, you are lying.
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On December 03 2013 09:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open. Hm... I don't know. I don't really see the big benefit. If scum knows who is who they can coordinate their actions much better. Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town. If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions. Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power. Maybe you are right. But you are assuming town will be united in what they want the blue roles to do and I don't think it will. If there are different opinions on the actions it gets easier for scum. If a majority agrees to a massclaim I will claim, ok?
Yeah but that's an info source too. Make bad plans regarding roles you are scum. :p
Like, just look at the ##'s game. When people claimed their roles scum were screwed because we could not possibly interfere with town's plans in any way unless we wanted to out ourselves.
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I kinda like jcarl's latest posts.
##unvote
leaning on voting for gtrsrs or ticklishmucic atm.
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Something geript said was really bad but i don't remember what it was, i need look it up.
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On December 03 2013 04:50 geript wrote:
So do you agree that he looks a lot like his play in duke nukem hydra game?
Oh yeah it was this. I didn't read any posts Oats posted in our hydra game but this one is totally different from it.
geript why is this similar?
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On December 03 2013 09:19 marvellosity wrote:My mafia memory is pretty exceptional ken  rayn, I don't really like a vote on ticklish unless you have something else to bring to the table on him other than the obvious. To be honest I gave him credit for actually going away and looking at some of your town games, and it looks like he actually did so because he made some passing comment that the only thing missing from your game so far was calling town bad or something similar, which while a tad unfair, isn't necessarily inaccurate either.
+ Show Spoiler +shhh.. i just want him to contribute
and there is another reason for my question too.
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There is nothing to explain about him. I explained all already.
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marv basically the point is i wanna know if there is a reason why he did not look into my scumgames?
Or if he did i actually do want him to elaborate on the differences. For someone who has not never played with me (or is he a smurf?) it should not be easy to tell the differences.
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EBWOP: Ignore the double negative.
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On December 03 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn you seemed to disagree with me pretty heavily yesterday regarding gtsrs. Explain the shift to considering a vote. Page-bumped
I somehow thought he did help more than he did. I though he was one of the guys who instantly claimed their vanilla role and HP.
I also read his post games lol.
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lol i completely missed he called me scum. yeah that's pretty bad.
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