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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 21 2013 18:12 GMT
#746
Catching up with thread now, give me a bit
Holyflare
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November 21 2013 18:38 GMT
#747
Anything obvious I should look out for?
Holyflare
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November 21 2013 23:32 GMT
#815
Jesus christ, I'm about half way now and half of you are making full blown cases on people based on page 1 posts, this is shambolic and ridiculous.
Holyflare
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November 21 2013 23:40 GMT
#819
Would you rather I read the whole thread or post on the first half that I have read first?
Holyflare
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November 21 2013 23:43 GMT
#822
Yeh, no thanks, not yet anyway
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 00:38 GMT
#856
On November 22 2013 09:37 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 08:32 Holyflare wrote:
Jesus christ, I'm about half way now and half of you are making full blown cases on people based on page 1 posts, this is shambolic and ridiculous.

This is a bad post, especially tied in with LoneMeows posts.

There is no intent here other than to discredit this town.

Does HF say we are scummy for this? No, its just an observation that is shit-slinging.


the people that did this are scummy for it? happy? I'm writing up a post so chill your shit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 00:40 GMT
#858
On November 22 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta is scum.


That is the conclusion that I'm seeing so far
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 00:58 GMT
#880
Currently the deadline is 03:00 GMT (+00:00), but that is subject to change???

Did that change somewhere? becuase that's in 2 hours
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 00:59 GMT
#883
failed f5, anyway I will not be lynching rayn today
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 01:07 GMT
#898
Aquanim that is the most suspicious as fuck thing anyone has said in the past few pages.

If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better.

Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#901
Or were you refering to rayn?
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 01:11 GMT
#905
It implies moreso to mocsta because he should know something like that.
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 01:27 GMT
#930
On November 22 2013 10:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why are there people defending me but not pushing another lynch?
Is this town shit all around?


Go read Corazon's vote post let me know what you think. Read his posts before that paying attention to what direction his reads seem to be going and tell me what you think about voting decision based on the rayn/moc situation


From what I've read so far I think thrawn is one of the towniest players in the thread, if he can show me some reasoning for his lynch choice I will most probably lynch his vote.

Unless it's rayn.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 01:28 GMT
#931
I can get behind a Cora, Mocsta, Aqua lynch at this point in time.
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 01:38 GMT
#944
On November 22 2013 10:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
mocsta wtf are you going on about... say something helpful


He's saying that onegu does not care what happens this lynch and misrepresents bereft's posting, after posting about bereft we are not sure what he even thinks of bereft and therefore onegu is scum.

Onegu as town is clear about who he thinks is scum and makes it known. I could get behind him too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 01:42 GMT
#954
On November 22 2013 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
Aquanim that is the most suspicious as fuck thing anyone has said in the past few pages.

If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better.

Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me.



Replace aquanim's name with mocsta and answer me that please.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 01:59 GMT
#985
On November 22 2013 10:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet


what the hell are you doing? You can't go from NOBODY VOTE RAYN HE IS DEFINITELY TOWN to then lynching him again this is ridiculous
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 02:40 GMT
#1047
##Vote: Corazon

I suggest you do the same.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 02:44 GMT
#1055
On November 22 2013 11:42 Bereft wrote:
holyflare is there any chance you'd be willing to vote rayn? even if not voting rayn means a no lynch? how about you, scib?


I will consolidate to avoid a no-lynch but I swear to christ he will flip town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 02:51 GMT
#1069
Guy votes no lynch and afks, gg
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 02:55 GMT
#1082
oh ffs seriously you guys are making a wrong move

##Vote: Rayn
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 03:32 GMT
#1101
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 03:48 GMT
#1103
On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum?

Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno


So.. am I still scum to you?


From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again.

THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all.
Holyflare
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November 22 2013 03:53 GMT
#1107
Why are you asking me if you are scum if quite clearly I gave your name in a list of people I want to lynch then??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 03:54 GMT
#1109
I'm also displaying to the thread that you are actively participating in losing this game on purpose.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 03:58 GMT
#1113
I told you them in LXIII, a game in which both you and thrawn were/are in. How do you not know what rayn town tells are by now?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 22 2013 03:59 GMT
#1114
Thrawn also quite clearly posted in bold and all caps that rayn was most definitely town and also voted him. So there's that too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 04:00 GMT
#1115
Let me break this down for everyone else:

Onegu posts that rayn is town, onegu knows rayn's meta (thrawn and mocsta know this)
Mocsta sees onegu is afk, doesn't try and confirm rayn's meta to people, policy lynches him
Thrawn, calls rayn obviously towny, lynches him
Aqua, ignores everything rayn says, policy lynches him

1 of you is scum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 04:07 GMT
#1117
at least 1*

Onegu calls a person he can read well based off of meta town. You do not try and read into this any further or use it to stop a rayn lynch and then you just ask me why I didn't do the same thing? I clearly did not have as much time as you did to elaborate.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 04:17 GMT
#1120
No scum motive? Rayn is a good player, he plays a lot and he can actually find scum. What better way to get him out than agree with policy lynching him. You didn't have to explain onegu's town read to anyone because they didn't care "hey rayn is shitting up the thread so it doesn't matter if he dies k". The fact that you don't have more reasons for lynching rayn over other scum reads than policy is a scum motive because IT ACTIVELY FIGHTS THE WIN CON.

I don't know what else you want????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 22 2013 17:30 GMT
#1156
On November 23 2013 02:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 02:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
The only reason I could see scum trying to lynch Rayn is if his reads were right.
Um. wouldn't scum be more inclined to have him flip green ASAP if his reads were wrong?


Yes, rayn pushes any target he has forever, wrong or right. If he's alive he can screw up the thread in that respect (as you guys saw). If his reads were wrong a scum team that knows him would keep him alive. So most likely his reads were right and he got lynched ("policy lynched") for it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 23 2013 02:43 GMT
#1182
I am doctor and I saved thrawn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:45 GMT
#1185
On November 23 2013 11:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 11:43 Holyflare wrote:
I am doctor and I saved thrawn.

What


Never know when a random vig can take you out and especially as my play has been bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 23 2013 02:46 GMT
#1187
Oh well shit, at least there's only 10 mins... Don't think anyone is checking. Especially as mocsta just went afk
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:47 GMT
#1188
I'm kidding of course i knew it isnt +1 you tit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:49 GMT
#1190
I'm a good shot for a vig, if there is one and he sees, he can save a shot, if scum sees they can kill me over a more towny looking person, it's the only thing i could have done
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:50 GMT
#1191
How about you use some logic before you insult my claim
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:50 GMT
#1192
You would have debated me all day and it would have been a waste, this is nothing but a pro town move my friend
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:53 GMT
#1195
If i survive you get your doctor for another night, if i die you don't really lose a player
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 02:54 GMT
#1197
If you say so
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 03:06 GMT
#1206
Like i said earlier "i think thrawn is very towny" so he was my most likely save, if i get vigd and flip doctor you then knew who my heal was on and so it stops any attempted shenanigans that scum can pull. He should get free town cred by way of this. If it gets to night 2 however and a double shot happens then seriously reconsider etc etc. That was my line of thought anyway
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 23 2013 03:13 GMT
#1215
I can never be 100% guaranteed in a lynch. A no lynch gives scum a free night of kills and we gather no information from a flip. Arguably, yes he was a towny but lynch wagons are ideal situations to determine motive. That is why anyone that requests a policy lynch in a game of mafia is scummy as hell. If you have a problem with a person then talk to the host, don't actively go against a win con.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 23 2013 03:17 GMT
#1217
As for reasons I thought he was town it's all over his filter. I can link you evidence if you want for future rayn games but he is dead so it's up to you if you want. That being said rayn doesn't go all out to defend someone against thread sentiment if he is scum, he actively got into arguments because of it. What scum mindset can you see there? A scum would just back down because the limelight isn't something he needs and he's not goong to want to get homself lynched over someone else.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 03:20 GMT
#1219
It's scummy to policy lynch in a game of information because you are actively masking your intentions if the policy was not there. I didn't think you needed that spelt out for you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 23 2013 03:24 GMT
#1222
Oh please, you want me to lecture people who are deadset on policy lynching someone? Yeh that never works there are way too many egos involved and post lynch people most definitely calm down and can see the bigger picture.
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 00:57 GMT
#1393
What's up?
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 00:58 GMT
#1394
That onegu thing is really REALLY scummy by the way.
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 00:59 GMT
#1396
Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 01:09 GMT
#1400
The part where he pretty much copies exactly what I said. He even replied to my point saying it here:

On November 22 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:58 Holyflare wrote:
I told you them in LXIII, a game in which both you and thrawn were/are in. How do you not know what rayn town tells are by now?



Stop multiple people you have mentioned havent flipped.


He clearly acknowledges what I have said and then doesn't write about it at all until he returns with the exact same thing I have said. You think scum/scum do that? I don't think so. You clearly have no idea how I play and trust me it is not terribly like you assume, maybe you should read around me a bit.

On November 24 2013 09:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims?

What's the point of claiming doctor in the first place. If you're going to do something stupid you might as well go all the way.


I've told you my reasons for claiming doctor and somebody implied they changed when quite clearly they didn't. I returned to the thread and didn't say much. Today was most likely to be an entire day of "oh HF is really scummy lets talk about his complete lack of posts and infer stuff about them when we have no idea" not only did revealing avoid that but I think thrawn was likely to get killed because I think mocsta is scum and he had a high buddy buddy association with thrawn. Mocsta is prime suspect number 1 coming out of this by the way. He calls cora town straight off the bat after the lynch and THEN does a filter dive to say that cora is town all over again. What would be the point in confirming someone he already has a read on? He wants credit from the town by way of appearing to contribute information. He get's called out for playing to an anti-town win con and then says oh "another high horse player, you don't even believe what you're writing" in order to poo-poo players off actual logic.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 01:13 GMT
#1402
Am I allowed to copy/paste all of it or is there a rule against it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 01:16 GMT
#1403
Ok I can post it all:


Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Ronnie Lanzo a Smuggler, known as "the Runner", you've been in the trafficking business for so long you don't remember life without it. Once per night you can lock someone up in a shipping container (to keep them safe from the cops) at night. When you hide someone from the police, they will still be able to use their contacts and any other resources at their disposal, but any attempts to arrest or shoot them will fail, unless they are targeted by two or more kp. Protect your business, find the cops!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 01:20 GMT
#1404
Hey look it's jarjar, the guy people think is scum asking me to claim so he can now kill me, yay?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 01:28 GMT
#1407
On November 24 2013 10:27 Aquanim wrote:
Also @Holyflare: Did it occur to you that the best way to deal with any suspicions on you today would be to play well and convince us you were town, rather than claiming a town PR?


Yes, but I can't, so claiming a town PR is what I did. Also, if you don't like my attitude, policy lynch me. Town quite clearly has no qualms about doing that. I can act how I please thank you very much.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 02:39 GMT
#1414
On November 24 2013 10:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim)


If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 02:44 GMT
#1416
Also @ scib. My actual thought process was that I have contributed nothing and likely couldn't till the end of the weekend, if I just tell them I'm actually the doctor right now scum can get rid of me instead of someone who contributes and it would avoid a lot of wasted effort on this day focusing on me. It doesn't matter who i saved really and who i announced because if I didn't die then they saved their kp for a double kill the next night. If by chance they missed what I said then thrawn was a likely target.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 02:45 GMT
#1417
On November 24 2013 11:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:39 Holyflare wrote:
On November 24 2013 10:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim)


If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in.

Why are you using your claim as an excuse for doing nothing?


Please just vote me off then because you are wasting your time being antagonistic towards it. Either I contribute more on my own accord or I don't. Repeatedly telling me to won't effect my posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 02:53 GMT
#1420
You just spent your whole post explaining what I've already said and conveniently was ignored by both cora and jar jar because they wanted my flavour?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 02:54 GMT
#1421
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.


Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 02:55 GMT
#1424
Yup
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 03:00 GMT
#1428
On November 24 2013 11:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.


Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here?

I think multiple docs is unlikely. I'm trying to figure out why cora doesn't buy your claim.


It's pretty simple he wants to mislynch the doctor to save himself using kp on me.

Either way, if 2kp happens tonight and I'm not one of them you can lynch me but there are scum to find so I suggest you get to that because I will be soon.
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 17:13 GMT
#1562
Dude don't ruin the plan...
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 17:20 GMT
#1564
I don't like the colour brown so maybe chezinu
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 17:26 GMT
#1566
I'm too meta for this game tbh you just don't get why yet.
Holyflare
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November 24 2013 17:28 GMT
#1569
On November 25 2013 02:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 02:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm too meta for this game tbh you just don't get why yet.

So your meta is not having any scum reads?


You sure like to make mountains out of mole hills
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 17:29 GMT
#1571
On November 25 2013 02:28 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 02:20 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like the colour brown so maybe chezinu

You shouldn't break the Chezinu Rule. The New Brown State does not recognize you as family.


I will start my own family, the blue state.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 17:42 GMT
#1577
On November 25 2013 02:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game?

He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out.


I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 24 2013 17:59 GMT
#1583
On November 25 2013 02:43 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game?

robots understand not the intimate messages. Perhaps your a cyborg as they have infected you my brother. Two robots I have caught, One who slander our dead brother and confirm the presence of the other. The second wants to form a family of robots without love and has broken the Chezinu Rule. I sense progress.


I think you imply that robots follow simple programming and in fact do not understand the sacred rule of chezinu.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 18:01 GMT
#1584
In fact, using such hapless methods as rules such as that of chezinu is in fact what robots are pre-programmed to do, or do you not think as such?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 18:04 GMT
#1586
On November 25 2013 02:44 Bereft wrote:
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On November 25 2013 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
On November 25 2013 02:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game?

He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out.


I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think?

why don't you put your vote where your mouth is?

mocsta pointed this out earlier, but i realize now it's a valid query: why are none of you people FOSing mocsta voting for him? i'm looking at you HF, Onegu, JJD(?)


I think you'll find that I have and he told me to get off my high horse and that I don't believe anything I say. Quite the reply don't you think?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 18:06 GMT
#1587
On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote:
i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib?


He has a stupid "rule of chezinu" that when somebody accuses him of accusing someone else that person must then be scum, therefore he will accuse me shortly but it's silly and most people have heard of it so he's a silly little robot that must be terminated.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 18:09 GMT
#1589
Notice how he has only found 1 robot until I say his name and then suddenly:

On November 25 2013 02:43 Chezinu wrote:
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On November 25 2013 02:39 Bereft wrote:
Chez, do you plan to actually be useful or spout riddles all game?

robots understand not the intimate messages. Perhaps your a cyborg as they have infected you my brother. Two robots I have caught, One who slander our dead brother and confirm the presence of the other. The second wants to form a family of robots without love and has broken the Chezinu Rule. I sense progress.


Two robots! He is silly if he thinks it will work here though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 19:46 GMT
#1603
##Vote: Mocsta

Best lynch. Hypocrites and liars must die.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 23:28 GMT
#1646
On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here;

Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in


Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate.

I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 23:29 GMT
#1648
Cora doesn't even want to lynch mocsta because he is posting stuff in the thread, even though he objectively looks the scummiest so far. Case closed tbfh.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 23:29 GMT
#1650
Now aqua is doing the same thing? Is this game really that easy?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 23:38 GMT
#1656
rean was sick and was replaced by you
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 00:40 GMT
#1697
On November 25 2013 09:17 Aquanim wrote:
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On November 25 2013 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
Now aqua is doing the same thing? Is this game really that easy?

@Holyflare: Corazon, Thrawn and myself have the most experience with Mocsta out of the players here, and we're all telling you he's town.

We're also (with Mocsta) the four most active players in the thread.

Are you seriously contending that three of us are scum?


I have more experience with him and more experience seeing him scum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 00:45 GMT
#1701
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Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 01:10 GMT
#1722
On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:
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On November 25 2013 09:31 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them.

Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon.

If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.

Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone.


I'll oblige:

Onegu: + Show Spoiler +
On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:

I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that.

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On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:
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On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.

Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.

Now to my goals/early game statements:

1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.

2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.

On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.



Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.>



Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post.


Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change.

Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy.

Anyway rean is really scumm though.


Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though.



This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't.

After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:
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On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.

Important things for everyone to know:

As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation

- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.

The others no idea.



Really? You dont know me yet?

On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....

Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit.


Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset.

He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:
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On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote:
On November 21 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nah thrawn you are making things up.
Onegu what the hell are you doing?

Hes scum claiming.

Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta
for any doubters



Dont talk about ongoing games.


Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
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On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:
On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading...

@Onegu
Could you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him?


Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out


This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet:

+ Show Spoiler +
[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]

Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read

Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad

Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy

The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good

Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta

Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,

Calls out bereft also like but I disagree

Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good

Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else

Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points

Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town

Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn


Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched.

Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him.

I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game.

TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched

There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today.

I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions.

Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO.


Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse).

Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads.

JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me.

Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people.

Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case.


This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad.

Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.)

Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT.

Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level?

Holyflare: ummm...

Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now...

And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx


Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs...

CHEZINU!!!

Yes! I think CDGCORAZON is a good one, what about you?

I am wanting to ask also, do you sell the balm for insanity? I have been afflicted by LXIII, go not there


With the dragon gone, my chances of winning skyrockets. However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else...

Right, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

Not now. Not with the flares, sighs, and those that wish mocsta's demise.


btw this guy is saying cora is town and me, onegu and people on mocsta wagon are priority pplz, yet he won't actively say it to anyone because he doesn't want to help
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 01:13 GMT
#1726
On November 25 2013 10:12 Aquanim wrote:
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On November 25 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:31 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them.

Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon.

If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.

Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone.


I'll oblige:

Onegu: + Show Spoiler +
On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:

I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.

Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.

Now to my goals/early game statements:

1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.

2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.

On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.



Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.>



Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post.


Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change.

Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy.

Anyway rean is really scumm though.


Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though.



This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't.

After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.

Important things for everyone to know:

As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation

- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.

The others no idea.



Really? You dont know me yet?

On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....

Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit.


Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset.

He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote:
On November 21 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nah thrawn you are making things up.
Onegu what the hell are you doing?

Hes scum claiming.

Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta
for any doubters



Dont talk about ongoing games.


Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:
On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading...

@Onegu
Could you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him?


Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out


This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet:

+ Show Spoiler +
[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]

Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read

Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad

Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy

The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good

Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta

Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,

Calls out bereft also like but I disagree

Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good

Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else

Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points

Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town

Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn


Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched.

Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him.

I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game.

TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched

There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today.

I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions.

Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO.


Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse).

Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads.

JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me.

Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people.

Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case.


This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad.

Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.)

Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT.

Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level?

Holyflare: ummm...

Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now...

And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx


Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs...

CHEZINU!!!

Yes! I think CDGCORAZON is a good one, what about you?

I am wanting to ask also, do you sell the balm for insanity? I have been afflicted by LXIII, go not there


With the dragon gone, my chances of winning skyrockets. However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else...

Right, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

Not now. Not with the flares, sighs, and those that wish mocsta's demise.


btw this guy is saying cora is town and me, onegu and people on mocsta wagon are priority pplz, yet he won't actively say it to anyone because he doesn't want to help

I'm pretty sure "sighs" is sciberbia


who was also on the onegu wagon no?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 01:14 GMT
#1728
On November 25 2013 10:13 Aquanim wrote:
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On November 25 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:31 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them.

Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon.

If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing.

Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone.


I'll oblige:

Onegu: + Show Spoiler +
On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:

I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:
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On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.

Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.

Now to my goals/early game statements:

1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.

2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.

3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.

On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.



Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.>



Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post.


Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change.

Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy.

Anyway rean is really scumm though.


Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though.



This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't.

After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.

Important things for everyone to know:

As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation

- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.

The others no idea.



Really? You dont know me yet?

On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....

Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit.


Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset.

He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:
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On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote:
On November 21 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nah thrawn you are making things up.
Onegu what the hell are you doing?

Hes scum claiming.

Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta
for any doubters



Dont talk about ongoing games.


Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:
On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading...

@Onegu
Could you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him?


Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out


This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet:

+ Show Spoiler +
[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]

Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read

Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad

Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy

The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good

Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta

Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,

Calls out bereft also like but I disagree

Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good

Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else

Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points

Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town

Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn


Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched.

Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him.

I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game.

TL;DR
1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard
2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post.
3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft)
4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched

There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today.

I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions.

Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO.


Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse).

Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads.

JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me.

Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people.

Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case.


This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad.

Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.)

Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT.

Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level?

Holyflare: ummm...

Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now...

And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx


Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs...

CHEZINU!!!

Yes! I think CDGCORAZON is a good one, what about you?

I am wanting to ask also, do you sell the balm for insanity? I have been afflicted by LXIII, go not there


With the dragon gone, my chances of winning skyrockets. However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else...

Right, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

Not now. Not with the flares, sighs, and those that wish mocsta's demise.


btw this guy is saying cora is town and me, onegu and people on mocsta wagon are priority pplz, yet he won't actively say it to anyone because he doesn't want to help

Also, what's your point?


if you have to put that much attention into reading a guy, he's going to be useless
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 01:19 GMT
#1731
On November 25 2013 10:17 sciberbia wrote:
@Holyflare
Please stop dicking around with Chezinu and tell us who you want us to lynch today. In case you haven't noticed everyone else is debating between JJD and Onegu. Care to weigh in?


mocsta
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 01:21 GMT
#1735
Not onegu, jjd maybe
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 25 2013 02:06 GMT
#1780
On November 25 2013 11:06 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare


Chezinu Rules!


lynching doctor, troll rules!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 25 2013 15:51 GMT
#1923
Intentionally baited* The house of brown is read most like an open book it seems.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:19 GMT
#2125
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:38 GMT
#2129
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:39 GMT
#2130
Mocsta, use your brain for gods sake. If he thought my claim was true he wouldn't be pushing for my/onegu's lynch today would he?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 08:56 GMT
#2136
On November 26 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Yes, it is a real question.

Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim?


I healed him because he claimed. No way I'd let a potential cop die. It's not until after the night and the posts after that I seriously began to consider that he's just making up a lot of bs.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:02 GMT
#2137
Also, mocsta, please read the top part of my post and explain it to me.

As for the point you want explaining:

Cora has pushed for my lynch/onegu's lynch for coming on 2 days now. If he didn't believe my claim starting from the last day then why didn't he cop check me after I claimed doc on night 1? That would seem like a very easy confirm would it not? He says the play is stupid, doesn't agree with it and doesn't check me? Those things do not add up.

I can get why he didn't check me night 2 though, in case I actually die and it's a wasted vote. Here's the real thing though. Why does he think I am lying about being a doctor and subsequently pushing for my lynch but also claiming cop in the middle of the night?. If i'm scum, I shoot him and get a cop out of the way who is supposedly checking my red checked team mate onegu because I know I wouldn't be doctor and therefore he wouldn't be saved.

If he does believe my claim and claimed cop, why is he then pushing for my lynch with onegu still???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:06 GMT
#2141
On November 26 2013 18:03 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:56 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?

If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?

If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
+ Show Spoiler +

Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?



Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.




Tl:dr

Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu.
Why did you heal Corazon?


"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question?
Yes, it is a real question.

Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim?


I healed him because he claimed. No way I'd let a potential cop die. It's not until after the night and the posts after that I seriously began to consider that he's just making up a lot of bs.
so... You admit you were present in the last 40min before deadline because you read the claim and changed action.

Why then did you not contribute to any discussion.

In fact, as town doctor you were the most likely to be Nk'd as your presence only serves to elongate a scum victory.
Thusz I would have expected you to at least reinforce your reads.

I welcome your answer to this one lol....


I was afk refreshing f5 in case something happened, doesn't mean I'm going to post in bed, especially something about who I am healing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:07 GMT
#2142
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:13 GMT
#2143
Well quite frankly this cop shenanigan is easy to prove, if you really do want to go and lynch onegu then if he flips green you know cora is lying and is therefore a free mafia lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 26 2013 09:14 GMT
#2144
Oh wait, how many players are left? 7? Yeh, nevermind then.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 09:16 GMT
#2145
Ok, maybe it's 9, this playerlist is so wrong x_x
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 09:19 GMT
#2146
Yeh, we can lynch onegu to prove cora's claim IMO. 9 players we have plenty of time TBH.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:05 GMT
#2149
On November 26 2013 18:53 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too.

This is a poor argument.

A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing.

I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip.


I was around for lxiii, only casually looking at this, saw flips were coming soon, f5'd, saw cop claim, auto healed and afkd to sleep. It is 3am when the deadline is after all.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:06 GMT
#2150
Hey look, I'm not saying that I shouldn't be shot because I should. I'm saying that they are bad for not doing it. Besides, there is so much talk about lynching into me/onegu and because cora claimed cop (i think its fake and he is scum) he easily drew my heal away and then could kill 2 towny looking people.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:08 GMT
#2152
I do understand, you are saying that killing a doctor should supercede everything because saves can ruin their game. However, if a scum claims cop he automatically draws the doctor away and then they do not have to worry about who they kill, therefore they can afford to leave a doctor alive, shoot 2 people and use the cop claims to lynch another person. It's not an awful play.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:11 GMT
#2155
Like frankly look at it this way, if you are/were scum:

Guy claim doctor but acts really scummy ---> maybe can push mislynch on him (as cora has been doing)
They save their kills for 2 kills and there is a doctor ----- > fake claim cop to draw heal so 2 shots definitely go through and aren't wasted (as cora did)

Like, why else would you claim in the middle of the night as cop!?!? There's no legit reason unless you think the doc claim is legit or want to draw a heal away from your shots. To then push me as the day starts again? That doesn't make sense at all
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:12 GMT
#2156
On November 26 2013 19:10 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
I do understand, you are saying that killing a doctor should supercede everything because saves can ruin their game. However, if a scum claims cop he automatically draws the doctor away and then they do not have to worry about who they kill, therefore they can afford to leave a doctor alive, shoot 2 people and use the cop claims to lynch another person. It's not an awful play.

No that's not what I'm saying.

I'm talking about a town player expecting to die. Known for talking a lot.. can be present at lynch deadline and not say a word.
Blows my mind.
..so where is ya vote going?



Either cora or onegu, I have to read onegu some more.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:40 GMT
#2159
The scum team CAN be those 3, but I got a towny feel from Onegu. He gets called out on "making things up" but why would he spend what looks like hours on cases to only be disproved because he misread timestamps? That is the most obvious thing anyone can point out ever. He isn't that bad as scum simply put.

That's the thing you aren't seeing when you say other scenarios. If onegu is scum, why would cora be still alive when he most definitely said who he was checking today? Onegu has been playing and I've been lurking so what right do I have to stay in the game? They had 2kp, they could double stack cora or kill me and cora. If they double stacked cora not only would they get rid of a cop checking scum but they could make me look totally bad too because I "didn't heal the cop". Mocsta is now implying I wasn't around for the cop shenanigans but if I wasn't then why would scum not shoot cora because he most definitely wouldn't have been my save target otherwise.

The real question that you don't seem to be acknowledging is that cora claimed cop at night time and still didn't die. WHY?
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:42 GMT
#2160
It doesn't really matter anymore, this role is self confirming and there's a "red check":

1.) alakaslam

3.) JarJarDrinks
4.) cDgCorazon
5.) Bereft

7.) Mocsta

9.) Onegu
10.) Holyflare
11.) sciberbia
12.) chez

that's 9 players, am i missing something?
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:43 GMT
#2161
##Vote Onegu
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 10:57 GMT
#2163
oh yeh, 8, that's why I was suspicious of him originally!
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 11:01 GMT
#2165
Read what onegu said, that was the original reason I thought his claim was fake, perfect mylo cover!
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 12:01 GMT
#2169
You are all fools -.- if you aren't going to listen to actual reason then you deserve to lose. I pipe up when i find something suspicious and you all disregard it cz holy/Onegu scum huehue. This mocsta/cora combo sure is deadly against nubs. Seeing as this is now mylo i am just going to stick with my gut and my buddy onegu.

##Unvote onegu
##Vote cDgCorazon
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 12:03 GMT
#2170
Wouldn't even be surprised if scibs is also scum team with you two, that would be a blast
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 14:50 GMT
#2183
On November 26 2013 23:48 Chezinu wrote:
cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu, thrawn2112, sciberbia, Holyflare
Aquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneet
Rean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (0): sciberbia, thrawn2112
Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (8): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, Holyflare, sciberbia, raynpelikoneet
jampidampi (0): raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (1): Onegu, raynpelikoneet
JarJarDrinks (0): raynpelikoneet
No-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon


Bereft (0): thrawn2112
Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Mocsta
Chezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, Chezinu
JarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta
sciberbia (0): Mocsta, Chezinu
Holyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, Chezinu
Mocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, Holyflare
Thrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon

It may be time for the rising star to face the dragon.



yes yes we get it your read was wrong and now you have to battle cora in an epic fight, glhfgg
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 14:51 GMT
#2184
mocsta* has to
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 14:52 GMT
#2185
or you, i don't even care anymore ~_~
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 16:05 GMT
#2194
On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote:
I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor.


I don't think you've paid any attention to this game or my previous ones.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#2208
Hahahahahaha "cop" red check on a BASIC game and your first instinct is "must be miller, lets lynch doctor". Nice job guys, real real nice.

##Vote Holyflare

If you can't comprehend what I was doing then you deserve to actually lose the game.
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 19:36 GMT
#2209
On November 27 2013 01:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
On a break. A few questions for people:

@Holyflare
A couple of things. Can you explain your thrawn save N1 again for me?
Why are you lurking at the deadline and not participating in the discussion or giving out your reads if you are town?

@Alakaslam
You told us that Chezinu is town but you never gave any evidence for it and never suggested an alternate scum member. How come?

@Chezinu
Who's "true color" did you attempt to find out last night?


Was the towniest person on my read through. I also didn't need to post anything because I won't die.

Why are you claiming cop with a lot of time before the night ends?
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 19:36 GMT
#2210
and why are you alive after doing it?
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 22:59 GMT
#2218
On November 27 2013 07:38 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 05:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
If you guys can't see how Onegu is scum even after a red check, I don't really want to play the game anymore.

We're lynching Onegu first. The argument about framer/GF is as much WIFOM as the argument that HF missed two saves. I'm not going to have you guys not listen to me three days in a row and so I'm going to force an Onegu lynch first.

My vote stays on Onegu.

I know you want to be the hero with the day2 onegu case and the cop check.

however holygflare is the safer choice.
hes deffo scum.

chexz is deffo scum

and between slam/onegu, slam is worrying me with his spam. hes talking a lot but saying absolutely nothing.

out of those 4, if there was not a reds check,, I would be inclined to think onegu is the towniest.

please join us with holy.



cop claim is red, you all believe it but suddenly it doesn't matter anymore because I'm the most scummy!!!
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 22:59 GMT
#2219
How can nobody else see this play? It's onegu, onegu, onegu for 3 straight days and then suddenly red check on onegu, NO MORE ONEGU! lolololol
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 23:00 GMT
#2220
and you call me inconsistent, jeeeeeeeeeeesus
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 23:04 GMT
#2221
Wanna know why I didn't claim my 'saves' during the night? It's because i'm the fucking vet you tools. Nobody has even shot me so far so I haven't lost my vet, I completely made up my flavour and it was so bad, I even put the wrong name in the brackets instead of doctor >_>
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 23:04 GMT
#2223
but gzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 23:05 GMT
#2224
On November 27 2013 08:04 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
How can nobody else see this play? It's onegu, onegu, onegu for 3 straight days and then suddenly red check on onegu, NO MORE ONEGU! lolololol

were you even voting onegu before?


no/??? because I think he's town
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 23:07 GMT
#2227
On November 27 2013 08:06 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
Wanna know why I didn't claim my 'saves' during the night? It's because i'm the fucking vet you tools. Nobody has even shot me so far so I haven't lost my vet, I completely made up my flavour and it was so bad, I even put the wrong name in the brackets instead of doctor >_>

ohh the same vet onegu fake claimed with in hogwartsa.. that the forum vets said is the easiest fake claim to make because there is no way to confirm it.


gotcha


yeh well you wanted an answer to your questions, do i care if you like it? claiming a doctor is the perfect cover to waste a scum kp but they never cast it that's why i said the cop claim was fake BECAUSE I DIDNT SAVE HIM and he's not dead, I think onegu is town and people are making a ballsy play
Holyflare
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November 26 2013 23:08 GMT
#2228
it doesn't suggest that omg, I'm saying the entire population of active people in this thread were on a lynch onegu witch hunt and now all of a sudden after a red check they're all "nooooo, not onegguuu maaa fweeenddd oneguuuu, nooooooo"
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 00:10 GMT
#2232
making me sweat lol??? and i'm not directing posts at mocsta, it's in general and he is trying to skew them to look like it's to him!

here:

Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Anthony Spilotro an Ancient Mobster (Veteran), known as "the Ant", you're old, older than these scamps, you remember back when the cops were clean. Hell, you're part of the reason they aren't anymore. Now your age gives you a distinct advantage, you know how the cops operate and how the mob operates you can use this and the net of contacts you have to avoid the first KP aimed at you during the game. You will be notified if you lose this extra life


This is really simple. Cora, post your flavour and i'll show you he is lying!!!! and I have one exact trick to show you how!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 00:18 GMT
#2234
yes so now you see mocsta, bam bam, if I was scum I WOULD HAVE A LEGITIMATE FAKE CLAIM THAT WOULD SAY THE CORRECT THING AND CORA'S WOULD BE WRONG
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 27 2013 00:20 GMT
#2235
so unless I'm outing my scum buddy and ruining the game, then it should be damn obvious who is lying here!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 00:37 GMT
#2237
but seriously... guys? afking now? that's too easy!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 00:44 GMT
#2238
guuuuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyyyyyyysssssssssss?
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 00:53 GMT
#2240
No, vet is actually my real role. I'm saying that cora's role is fake because mine is legit.
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#2243
I brokeded my paste on firefox so I had to type it
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:02 GMT
#2244
If I said I knew where the kp went then they would 100% know that I wasn't a doctor and I'd be a vet, thus negating any vet surprise.
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:13 GMT
#2249
On November 27 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 10:00 Holyflare wrote:
I brokeded my paste on firefox so I had to type it

Of course lol.. then why is (Town) missing from Veteran lol.


Town doesn't go next to veteran just like town doesn't go next to investigator just like the entire role is not blue'd. Cora is scum.

If I say "guys I know where KP went", then what does that say to you? Oh he's totally doctor and knows where our kp went bla bla. No, I maintain that I'm doctor and I saved someone and then likely get shot N2. I wasn't because scum made a cop claim to "draw" my heal and so wouldn't need to kill me. Now here is my mislynch!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:37 GMT
#2254
It's as if you don't read the thread mocsta, GM went away and ObviousOne took over when I was replacing.
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:39 GMT
#2257
I'm sure it would be different if you were in mylo and about to lose the game
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:39 GMT
#2258
On November 27 2013 10:38 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
It's as if you don't read the thread mocsta, GM went away and ObviousOne took over when I was replacing.

OMG.. lol..

you are that desparate that you are assuming there is not a host spreadsheet that OO copy/pastes from?


desperate...? If he copied and pasted then my role would be perfect and there wouldn't be a problem because scum get fake claims, don't know what to tell you because you aren't making sense!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 27 2013 01:48 GMT
#2262
I literally do not understand what you are typing, are you even reading what you write?

I wrote out my role pm which is from OO. I don't see the problem here. I've quite clearly pointed to Cora's fake claim, it is the most inconsistent out of all of them, no "known as" and all of his role is blue.

I brought up this fake claim from the offset but you had to wait for onegu to post notes before you even seemed to come to terms with him being towny. Now, you think he's towny and then the "check" is a lie, so you vote me off, that is inconsistency!

Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:51 GMT
#2264
Yes but you are also probably scum!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:51 GMT
#2265
Is it all blue though?
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:52 GMT
#2267
I don't follow the rulezzzzzz
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:56 GMT
#2269
I would assume 2
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:57 GMT
#2270
3 at most
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:57 GMT
#2272
I am definitely special
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 01:58 GMT
#2274
I do not know but you have been hinting at it for most of the game
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:00 GMT
#2276
[image loading]
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:00 GMT
#2277
<3 you're special to me too
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:04 GMT
#2280
On November 27 2013 11:01 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 11:00 Holyflare wrote:
<3 you're special to me too

So, if I am special and you are special. Is there a special police force?


I think we live in basic times so no!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:07 GMT
#2281
When I was in one of my newbies I yelled at a guy until he conceded as scum, no cases or anything! It was glorius. I miss when times were that simple.
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:12 GMT
#2283
On November 27 2013 10:52 Holyflare wrote:
I don't follow the rulezzzzzz

Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:14 GMT
#2285
inb4 "chezinu saw the noob card" "broken rule of chezinu"
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:16 GMT
#2287
I defer to my own team, the one where they don't believe fake claiming cops!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:17 GMT
#2288
I find it odd that you have not seen who my vote is on
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:18 GMT
#2290
precisely
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:28 GMT
#2294
Do I need a case now?
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 02:31 GMT
#2297
Dat aggression!!!! love it
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 03:26 GMT
#2301
btw a no-lynch is best lynch mocsta because it allows checks and reaaaaadsssssss
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:13 GMT
#2316
On November 27 2013 13:09 cDgCorazon wrote:
Man fuck you guys. I can't even fake-claim Investigator to get you guys to lynch my read. What do I have to do? Hack into Gmarshal's computer to find Onegu's role pm and post it in the thread? You guys are so ridiculous.




HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

im out, vote me off because I have lived the god damn dream
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:16 GMT
#2325
man mocsta I hope you say sorry post game for this, slam dunked his fake claim shenanigans all in one! NOBODY BELIEVED MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:17 GMT
#2326
unless you're also scum then fu

mocsta/cora/bereft scum team, gg!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:19 GMT
#2328
You fake claimed cop to lynch off someone whose alignment you cannot know, you are either scum or town who just ruined a game and you blame everyone else?
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:20 GMT
#2330
Think he's talking in general
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:22 GMT
#2332
On November 27 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:19 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've been bullied and not taken seriously all game for no reason. Next time, vote me out of playing the game if you don't want to play with me.

Because of your abuse, we are going to lose the game. Gratz.

You mean Holyflare?

I mean Mocsta/Aqua/Bereft/JJD/thrawn


2 of them are most likely scum, if you are town of course they are going to ignore your cases?!?!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:48 GMT
#2351
On November 27 2013 13:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
This is a fucking farce.

Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?

Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.

Why are you still assuming I'm scum??


I don't like this post. It looks scummy

That is how people get their points across

(Though I don't red stuff)

It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu

No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all.

Btw Moc:

Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business"

This is my real role

That always happens. That probably means they dropped them. If not maybe they are just as scummy.

Mocsta told me one of my posts was "too constructed" and then continued to not talk about me. He just chimed in to say that post was scummy and then went onto other things.


cz he is scum <3
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 04:57 GMT
#2358
On November 27 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote:
Bereft

What do you think?

Holy is definitely scum.. keep the vote their?


ha
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called out the fake cop claim, called it a scum tactic, holy definitely scum! LOGIC

##Unvote
##Vote: Mocsta
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 05:09 GMT
#2372
"Somehow", I found a guy lying about a cop claim >_> >_> >_> >_>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't need to make cases this game because I based my assumptions on facts and you people are always "no holy scum" "he's lying get rid of him" when quite clearly they panned out to be true.
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 05:33 GMT
#2386
On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote:
holy is scum. cora is town.

alright public announcement. listen up scummers:

whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last.


and what is your exact reasoning for this? I really want to know why you think my lynch is a good lynch because you clearly haven't been reading what has been happening? You don't like my play? Fine, then say it's a policy lynch. However, at least acknowledge that I played PRO-TOWN in this game by claiming doctor when I was in fact a vet. My posts might not live up to the standard of holyflare town that you know but this is a different game with a different playstyle.

While claiming doctor I discovered that cora was in fact a fake cop and displayed it to the entire town, eventually he has finally come out and said it. It actually really confuses me now between mocsta and him because they both can't be scum and I had a feeling on mocsta all game, even though he said he's definitely going to lynch me and now can't decide at all. Cora's fake claim had holes in it though because I'm pretty sure it was written by himself, hence the error with the blue text, you then have to believe whether it's his ego that got in the way or an error in fake claiming in itself. I think it most probably comes from a frustrated town cora but then, why would he claim it at night when he was most likely to be killed?

In fact, the pure fact that he claimed it at night is what's leading me to believe that he is scum cora. I claimed doctor and there is no way that he would claim it at night unless he believed it or was scum himself. If he believed it then he wouldn't have been pushing me in the game so by PoE he must be scum.

/randomramblings

##Unvote
#Vote CdgCorazon
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 05:35 GMT
#2387
Mocsta, we've been had by the bereft/cora/slam trio!
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 11:04 GMT
#2405
yeh, ask for reasoning from bereft, get nothing! We have a scummer folks

cora/bereft/x
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 13:04 GMT
#2415
but im not afk
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 15:06 GMT
#2422
<3
Holyflare
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November 27 2013 23:11 GMT
#2429
Yes, I waited so long to reply to you bereft all because I was making a terrible terrible fake claim, not like I coulda you know, waited till I got a fake claim.

Bereft/cora scum.

Chezinu is also silly because his whole vote post is based on the fact I broke his rule which I already knew about, fake claiming was in the interest of town which he doesn't point out and he seems to dislike the colour blue!

Game is so simple. Bereft/cora/maybe chez scum! <3 gg guys I solved the game for us.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 00:02 GMT
#2439
On November 28 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote:
obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you.


What was that about scum "knowing too much", yeh this guy is your scum.

Also onegu my claim is clearly not terrible if I think you are town and I am the one who is getting lynched.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 00:03 GMT
#2440
On November 28 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote:
obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you.



let me just point that out to you again
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 00:46 GMT
#2445
On November 28 2013 09:44 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote:
Wow. Onegu
You totally convinced Cora is scum.

im makeing sure there is a hammer and no shennigans, I set a alarm for 30 munutes til deadlin if people read my case that I spent 5 hours on and want to vote him Im ready.

Cora is scum. I just showed it has to be me or him, and it is him as I am VT. But there has to be a lynch today otherwise we go to lylo with the same damn wagons.. I am makeing sure a lynch happens but really I am feeling bereft is fake claiming.



Votes me.......?
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 00:52 GMT
#2450
Like, I get why you'd put a vote on me, my play hasn't been anything like my meta's for either alignment and I haven't contributed in the traditional way. However, there is a guy that has his vote on me (onegu) even though he doesn't believe the guy that started the counter is legit (bereft) and is convinced that another person (cora) is scum but he is voting me.

There is a guy that fake claimed cop (cora) in the middle of the night whilst I claimed medic and 2 people died, one of them wasn't me. I am a total liability for the late game if I was doctor and so they thought to get me off for this lynch, the culprits being bereft mainly. I outed cora as clearly a fake cop but that's not enough either, I'm still scum because......? Oh yeh, a scum showed you his fake claim. Mocsta is going along with the vote, slam is afk and then just votes with thread sentiment, scibs is the same.

The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 00:56 GMT
#2451
Literally voting me off = lose right now
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 01:02 GMT
#2454
In fact, the real question that I want to raise, is why did bereft only mention about my role pm now? My doctor claim was clearly fake it didn't have (doctor) in brackets! He is legitamately scum and got a fake role pm to counter claim mine, that's why it took him so long to say it out loud, he only mentioned it when cora started getting flak for his cop claim too.

So convenient methinks!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 01:04 GMT
#2455
On November 28 2013 10:00 Mocsta wrote:
So scum is according to holyflare now
Cora, bereft and onegu??

Lol


Here we have the guy that has an entire case made on him because he changes his reads throughout the game, yet, when someone else does it it's "Lol", I hope you people read into this guy more because he is a hypocrite, he policy lynches people that get called town and is now lynching off another towny, if the game somehow does not end tonight please don't sleep on him!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 01:07 GMT
#2458
On November 28 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 09:52 Holyflare wrote:
Like, I get why you'd put a vote on me, my play hasn't been anything like my meta's for either alignment and I haven't contributed in the traditional way.

The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever.


lol so troll

We dont need cora just stay on HF. Scum would all have to out themselves to save him and we could just lynch them tmrw


please inform me where your helpful discussion has been because today I:

1) Proved to you that the cop claim was indeed a lie

2) Showed you 2 scum that you are clearly not discussing, it's an actual joke that nobody is talking about the moves that people have done today, they are actually afk lynching me with no discussion. If I am scum then you are nowhere nearer to lynching 2 other scum in this game. Congratulations, free scum victory.

3) There is a butt load of information about people from my play today, hopefully, if chezinu is in fact town he can read up on people's reactions on it.

Holyflare
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November 28 2013 01:14 GMT
#2461
Nice discussion, conclude that you don't know if i'll flip town or not and still don't discuss reads/gameplay. I think chezinu was actually right about you after all.

Updated: Cora/bereft/sciberbia
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 01:31 GMT
#2463
oh I forget, you mentioned you KNOW cora is town, that one was a real gem bereft!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 01:56 GMT
#2464
Ok here's the information you need to see people, good information, reasons that bereft is scum.


Firstly, bereft mentions in his post here:



+ Show Spoiler +
On November 28 2013 02:13 Bereft wrote:
alright cora, I really didn't want to claim. we haven't solved this game yet and could use mafia wasting a KP. but if you won't listen to reason maybe you'll listen to COLD HARD FACTS.

I know for a fact HF is not town because I'm the veteran.

think about it - why do you think as soon as you claimed blue I became so confident in my HF read? I knew there was no chance in hell we had 3 blue roles in the game. and between you and HF, HF was lying. why do you think I was so paranoid about a red power role affecting your cop check? I knew if there was a vet AND a cop in the game, there being a red power role is a certainty. why do you think I asked HF to post his flavor and immediately knew that gmarshal didn't write it as soon as I saw it? it's completely different than mine, the blue role isn't bolded, half of it is a run on sentence... why else would HF not post his flavor as soon as he claimed vet? I'd bet all my TL dollars he was desperately waiting for gmarshal to send him some fluff and had to churn something out under the gun.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From GMarshal:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are James Joseph Bulger a Mob Boss (Veteran). You are the leader of the local racketeering business, and for a price your organization will protect your clients from competition, thieves, and the police. Your importance to the organization gives you the ability to evade the police for one night. If targeted by the police, your right-hand minion will shield you from any attempts to shoot or arrest you, protecting you from one kp. You will be told if there was an attempt on your life. Don't let your minions sacrifice themselves in vain - flush out the cops!


I'm serving you a scummer on a silver platter right now. please don't throw away the game because you are too proud. the Greeks have a word for this - it's called hubris.



He says that as soon as cora posted that he was blue that he knew for a fact that I was lying and was 100% scum.

On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote:
I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor.

That is quite clearly reflected here. However, if he was so sure that cora was a blue role (well he is "sure" because he has admitted several times that cora is town) then why was he so hesitant to trust the other blue's claim on onegu? (Hint: onegu is probably scum too). Not only does he succesfully setup an onegu save he gets to lynch off the current claimed doctor at the same time and secure the game all in one!


Now, the fishy parts, he calls cora town all the time, despite the fake cop claim shenanigans and the cop claim in the middle of the night he "knew" cora had to be town. Yet, here is where it doesn't make sense. As soon as he saw cora "claim cop", in the middle of the night, why was his first reaction coming into the day "holyflare has to be lying oh no 3 power roles op" (3 is normal by the way). Instead of, yay holyflare might actually be doctor because cora the blue cop didn't die and got a read! He was SO certain of me not being blue? How does he manage to say that because the evidence is somewhat against him (chezinu has also claimed GF).

Then, when I say I was vet the 100% probability of me being it lowers down to 98%, the uncertainty whilst he waits for his fake claim to arrive increases!

On November 27 2013 08:55 Bereft wrote:
please cora, it's not that we doubt you.

I just think we need to be careful since it's MYLO and we can't discount the possibility of mafia steamrolling us.

voting HF is like the difference between lynching someone who's 98% probability scum vs 93% probability scum. I know those numbers are completely arbitrary, but those are basically my confident intervals. there's no downside in getting rid of HF first, and doing so may give us an indication of red power roles. I'm inclined to think HF is GF because of his holier than thou attitude whenever we ask him about motive (see: "I'm too meta for this game", etc). if a cop check came back green on him, he could claim he was trying to draw fire power in lieu of a more townie member (effectively what he's trying to do now with his vet claim now that we are making him sweat).

Cora, think of it this way: why take that 4% chance there's a miller or framer at play when there's no harm in saving onegu for tomorrow?
and onegu suddenly becomes 93%.

Chezinu also claims a blue role (gf) but guess where that gets mentioned in berefts filter? Absolutely nowhere at all! The fact that bereft didn't believe my claim in the first place because 3 roles op is weird enough, but he doesn't mention the other guy that claims blue when cora still hasn't revealed his fake claim yet? Yeh, that's what you call more odd.

Now, more things that strike me as odd. He calls cora so town (I think it might be a lie now, I don't even know anymore what cora is) but doesn't bat an eye lid about the way his role was written out as? Why is that? It was quite clearly different to his and he didn't mention it at all. So why when I said I had to type it out from my pm does he focus on the way mine is written? If mine looks so fake then why am I the scum over cora's who was so believable? There is no explanation from this at all. It's just inconsistency within bereft's filter all day and all night.

There is no discussion from anyone with him, he's just trying to ram home a mislynch on me as can be seen with his literal pleading with cora to vote switch to me.


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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November 28 2013 01:59 GMT
#2466
Actual analysis because I give a crap about not dying now, this is getting frustrating that nobody is discussing and I don't want a loss.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:02 GMT
#2467
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,

##Unvote
##Vote Bereft
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:06 GMT
#2469
Yeh ok, back to basics game with heavy analysis that you want to win but suddenly you just don't care at all. Thanks.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:08 GMT
#2471
I've been trying all day to get people to discuss things and it's "nah holy is scum nevermind him" "be back soon"
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:09 GMT
#2472
Your loss is because this town is a victim of it's own scummyness.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:14 GMT
#2475
On November 28 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
Your loss is because this town is a victim of it's own scummyness.

Yes and you would be a major contributor if town.

I'm done with this diatribe


I contribute as both scum and town so my lack of contribution is null at best, I tried to switch up my town play because I was bored of being the crazy analytical one that filter dives everyone. I just made a case on bereft and you just admitted you are straight up ignoring evidence because you don't care if town loses or not. This is day 1 all over again - policy lynch 2.0
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:15 GMT
#2476
You can't ALL be scum.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:16 GMT
#2477
On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,

##Unvote
##Vote Bereft



Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE BEREFT


I like your style, at least you are willing to read and put effort in even though I've been a douche for the past few days, thank you!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:17 GMT
#2478
Conveniently the people who are always around at deadlines seem to be afk for this one coming!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:28 GMT
#2480
Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style:

On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:
Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence.,

1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule
2. You have lied to the family.
3. You have left the family for another.
4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead.

##Vote Holyflare

+ Show Spoiler +
1.+ Show Spoiler +
Doesn't need an explanation

2.+ Show Spoiler +
fake claim

3.+ Show Spoiler +
blue state

4.+ Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)?


On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:
(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.)

Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam.

The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later.

As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like.

As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare

+ Show Spoiler +
If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them...


maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.)

Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway.

In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it.

(tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu})

Last-minute additions:
Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet.


He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me.

The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect.

He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect

His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless

Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless


Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me.



Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:29 GMT
#2481
On November 28 2013 11:22 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 11:14 Holyflare wrote:
On November 28 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote:
On November 28 2013 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
Your loss is because this town is a victim of it's own scummyness.

Yes and you would be a major contributor if town.

I'm done with this diatribe


I contribute as both scum and town so my lack of contribution is null at best, I tried to switch up my town play because I was bored of being the crazy analytical one that filter dives everyone. I just made a case on bereft and you just admitted you are straight up ignoring evidence because you don't care if town loses or not. This is day 1 all over again - policy lynch 2.0

Nah.

The way you have gone about pushing your agenda is the problem. In reality there is no need to discuss until post game.

If scum, no shit Sherlock.
If town, you have shoved a cock in my mouth whilst I'm sleeping and then are calling me gay...


Shouldn't have left your door open then, gay.


At least read my posts on bereft and chezinu so if I die and there are cases left if somehow the game doesn't end.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:32 GMT
#2483
EBWOP: At least read my posts on bereft and chezinu so that if I die there are cases left in my wake. If the game ends then meh, if it somehow doesn't then there are cases based on facts that people are intentionally ignoring/afking from.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:40 GMT
#2484
This is getting silly, I absolutely guarentee that after my death and the game ends there will be people posting that aren't here talking now...
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:42 GMT
#2485
Whatever, I'll hammer this crap so it ends sooner. GG scum you won with the afking ability! Critical hit!

##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:46 GMT
#2487
Needs to happen does not make sense. You aren't reading my cases at all. It's pretty blatant that those 2 are scummy! This is mylo mocsta not a random point in the game you can afford to be wrong!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:47 GMT
#2488
I will also vote chezinu if that is in your interest because I also think he is scum.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:49 GMT
#2491
Bereft returns to reply "lol onegu" and doesn't mention anything about defending his posts because he knows the game is literally about to end. Even a no-lynch is better at this point.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:50 GMT
#2492
On November 28 2013 11:49 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Needs to happen does not make sense. You aren't reading my cases at all. It's pretty blatant that those 2 are scummy! This is mylo mocsta not a random point in the game you can afford to be wrong!

Well, if you are town. You have been blatantly playing against your win condition. If we lose, I'll just enjoy thanksgiving with the family tomorrow.


I claimed doctor to draw a bullet when I was a vet, that's totally against win conditions ~_~! GG chezinu, lurkers winz~~~~!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:52 GMT
#2494
Just like you are saying tomorrow is thanksgiving, you wont have any time tomorrow to post if the game doesn't end, that would normally be scummy as hell but when I say it earlier in the game people take it as alignment indicative that my not posting is scummy and so I post to maintain activity and get reads from what's happened. I've posted those reads now and people are afking. A no-lynch is better than losing the game simply put.
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:55 GMT
#2495
Well 5 minutes to go, I'm just going to

##Unvote
##Vote No-lynch
just in case anybody see's sense and wants to win gg if not!
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:56 GMT
#2496
/afk
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:58 GMT
#2498
If you and chezinu are lying there might be a doctor still around and so the game might not end, get a clue ~_~
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 02:59 GMT
#2500
^^^^^^^^^^^^ vote that guy off if it continues
Holyflare
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November 28 2013 03:00 GMT
#2503
/obs
Holyflare
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December 03 2013 03:58 GMT
#2760
Cora, you base your hate on people sheeping someone talking about someone else but your first instinct was to hate them for it and try to make people listen to you or you actively throw the game inatead of question why they would do that. What if the person who deviated to jjd was scum, you wouldn't analyse that play because of the hot headedness.

Chezinu, while you may have pinned the scum team down at the end of the day you were also town and if you didn't actively point them in the right direction (i was obviously scum -.-) then it's not always the best thing to do, especially as you were an active mislynch for the next day.

Also lol @bereft who called my flavour bad, it was written by mods :D!

Inactivity played a major part in this game as well as arguments, people that were appearing to contribute but also being lurky at the same time slam/scibs should have been likely suspects because of the NK's. Slam feared chezinu all game, chezinu was a next day potential mislynch. Nobody really went into details on why that kill made sense. Thrawn and aqua kills would only come from someone actively reading the thread to know what was happening and so someone active should have been looked at.

In an argument like cora/mocsta someone who posts every so often with stuff that doesn't really add to much (scibs) should add suspicion. If town didn't actively policy lynch someone they all "thiught was town" then this game could have gone in a seriously different manner. There are mods to pm, end game to discuss things like that. To lynch someone people called town just because they got in an argument with is ridiculous, especially as you have double standards re:cora.
Holyflare
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December 03 2013 04:05 GMT
#2763
Fair enough i didn't read either :p
Holyflare
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December 03 2013 06:34 GMT
#2797
Ah yeh, mocsta!

All I can do is pretty much echo what other people have said, yes, while I may have played trolly, initially I was making posts that demonstrated my thought process (that policy lynches actively go against win cons etc etc and you could read rayn bla bla) All you were doing was shutting me down at every point I could possibly make, if I was actually town then that is the kind of atmosphere that hinders any and all consideration for other people and yes you may have been town but you didn't know what alignment I was.

What I'm trying to say is that while you know your alignment, other people that paint you scummy aren't making points based on illogical merits that need to be discredited at every point, there are reasons they think the things they do and in a game of information the more information you can get from people the more likely they are to slip up. If you ushered in conversation instead of shutting it down (even if it was based around you) then the town atmosphere improves tenfold.

This isn't just a jab at you (tis constructive criticism) because other people are also guilty of the same thing. When people don't follow your reasoning or don't agree with your sentiment it's because they have their own thoughts, their own lines of inquisition. When a new theory is proposed it is looked upon with doubtful eyes because their own thought is seen through rose tinted glasses so they need convincing, a case may look good to you but it isn't always the most convincing thing in the world.

On the topic of cases, Onegu. I get that you spend a lot of time on your cases and that's how you play but from what I see (I know you put a butt tonne of effort into them) they are often seen with a tunnelled mindset. You decide someone is scum and then when one post goes out of line it confirms to you that they MUST be scum. The things you pick up on as scum tells - miscontruing posts etc etc. while yes, can be scum tells some of the time are most often coming from people that haven't fully read up on all the details, it's not alignment confirming. I don't know what to say on improving rather than to put yourself in their shoes. If you were scum would you blatantly put inconsistencies in your posts just so somebody else could point them out and be all "hey he's scum DIE", I don't think you would personally.

I think the main problem is that you have very little thread interaction. You return to the thread with a case on someone and then just debate the points brought up within your case, if someone disagrees then they are scummy or wrong and then you have to disappear again, I know this is due to time constraints etc because IRL is a huge burden but I suggest that if you devote time to playing mafia but know you don't have a lot of time then your playstyle would need to change from making cases of the nature that you do to bouncing off reads to people and discovering what they think and what their thought processes are. If you get people to explain what they are doing to the thread their motives become clearer and clearer and then the culmination of that CAN be a case. This would look like you actively developed the read and found substance on it rather than come out of the blue with a case that is self-confirmed.





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As far as the game itself, I can't really say anything other than the arguments ruined it for you. I was allowed to play scummy as hell and get away with it because so much attention was drawn away from me it was unreal. My claim allowed things like this to occur:

Holyflare
11-23-2013
10:04 PM ET (US)
Haha this works so well, they spend the day talking about my role only to realise "hey we can't lynch a potential doctor and we really don't know if he's scum or not" then they realise they have no real guess work for the day and default to their original scum trail of onegu. Successful day wasted.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 03 2013 07:39 GMT
#2818
On December 03 2013 16:12 Chezinu wrote:
What I learned from this game is to trust the Chezinu Rule. I talked about this during the game. Every time it comes up despite knowing it has work 100% in the past, I am still hesitant. I have doubts thinking that it may fail this time. It requires faith to follow through with the Chezinu Rule. In the future, I need to trust this mighty rule more. So, remember faith>logic. Cause Chezinu Rules.


I knew the rule and I still did it because I knew you would say something
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 03 2013 09:31 GMT
#2846
Anything that gets people to talk. An anecdote, speculation, whatever. It doesn't matter if you appear scummy in the first 4 hours because hopefully people will pressure you and then you get more information from the game. Starting discussion is what counts, it doesn't matter what it's on.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 03 2013 09:33 GMT
#2847
If you do get pressured then hopefully your responses make people lean town towards you.
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