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On November 22 2013 09:37 Mocsta wrote: This is a bad post, especially tied in with LoneMeows posts. There is no intent here other than to discredit this town. Does HF say we are scummy for this? No, its just an observation that is shit-slinging. the people that did this are scummy for it? happy? I'm writing up a post so chill your shit | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta is scum. That is the conclusion that I'm seeing so far | ||
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Did that change somewhere? becuase that's in 2 hours | ||
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If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better. Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:15 thrawn2112 wrote: Go read Corazon's vote post let me know what you think. Read his posts before that paying attention to what direction his reads seem to be going and tell me what you think about voting decision based on the rayn/moc situation From what I've read so far I think thrawn is one of the towniest players in the thread, if he can show me some reasoning for his lynch choice I will most probably lynch his vote. Unless it's rayn. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:36 thrawn2112 wrote: mocsta wtf are you going on about... say something helpful He's saying that onegu does not care what happens this lynch and misrepresents bereft's posting, after posting about bereft we are not sure what he even thinks of bereft and therefore onegu is scum. Onegu as town is clear about who he thinks is scum and makes it known. I could get behind him too. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:07 Holyflare wrote: Aquanim that is the most suspicious as fuck thing anyone has said in the past few pages. If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better. Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me. Replace aquanim's name with mocsta and answer me that please. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:56 thrawn2112 wrote: ##vote: raynpelikoneet what the hell are you doing? You can't go from NOBODY VOTE RAYN HE IS DEFINITELY TOWN to then lynching him again this is ridiculous | ||
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I suggest you do the same. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:42 Bereft wrote: holyflare is there any chance you'd be willing to vote rayn? even if not voting rayn means a no lynch? how about you, scib? I will consolidate to avoid a no-lynch but I swear to christ he will flip town. | ||
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##Vote: Rayn | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote: Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. | ||
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Onegu posts that rayn is town, onegu knows rayn's meta (thrawn and mocsta know this) Mocsta sees onegu is afk, doesn't try and confirm rayn's meta to people, policy lynches him Thrawn, calls rayn obviously towny, lynches him Aqua, ignores everything rayn says, policy lynches him 1 of you is scum | ||
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Onegu calls a person he can read well based off of meta town. You do not try and read into this any further or use it to stop a rayn lynch and then you just ask me why I didn't do the same thing? I clearly did not have as much time as you did to elaborate. | ||
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I don't know what else you want???? | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: Um. wouldn't scum be more inclined to have him flip green ASAP if his reads were wrong? Yes, rayn pushes any target he has forever, wrong or right. If he's alive he can screw up the thread in that respect (as you guys saw). If his reads were wrong a scum team that knows him would keep him alive. So most likely his reads were right and he got lynched ("policy lynched") for it. | ||
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Never know when a random vig can take you out and especially as my play has been bad | ||
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On November 22 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote: Stop multiple people you have mentioned havent flipped. He clearly acknowledges what I have said and then doesn't write about it at all until he returns with the exact same thing I have said. You think scum/scum do that? I don't think so. You clearly have no idea how I play and trust me it is not terribly like you assume, maybe you should read around me a bit. On November 24 2013 09:59 cDgCorazon wrote: What's the point of claiming doctor in the first place. If you're going to do something stupid you might as well go all the way. I've told you my reasons for claiming doctor and somebody implied they changed when quite clearly they didn't. I returned to the thread and didn't say much. Today was most likely to be an entire day of "oh HF is really scummy lets talk about his complete lack of posts and infer stuff about them when we have no idea" not only did revealing avoid that but I think thrawn was likely to get killed because I think mocsta is scum and he had a high buddy buddy association with thrawn. Mocsta is prime suspect number 1 coming out of this by the way. He calls cora town straight off the bat after the lynch and THEN does a filter dive to say that cora is town all over again. What would be the point in confirming someone he already has a read on? He wants credit from the town by way of appearing to contribute information. He get's called out for playing to an anti-town win con and then says oh "another high horse player, you don't even believe what you're writing" in order to poo-poo players off actual logic. | ||
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Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Ronnie Lanzo a Smuggler, known as "the Runner", you've been in the trafficking business for so long you don't remember life without it. Once per night you can lock someone up in a shipping container (to keep them safe from the cops) at night. When you hide someone from the police, they will still be able to use their contacts and any other resources at their disposal, but any attempts to arrest or shoot them will fail, unless they are targeted by two or more kp. Protect your business, find the cops! | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:27 Aquanim wrote: Also @Holyflare: Did it occur to you that the best way to deal with any suspicions on you today would be to play well and convince us you were town, rather than claiming a town PR? Yes, but I can't, so claiming a town PR is what I did. Also, if you don't like my attitude, policy lynch me. Town quite clearly has no qualms about doing that. I can act how I please thank you very much. | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:48 cDgCorazon wrote: EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim) If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in. | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:42 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are you using your claim as an excuse for doing nothing? Please just vote me off then because you are wasting your time being antagonistic towards it. Either I contribute more on my own accord or I don't. Repeatedly telling me to won't effect my posts. | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway. Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here? | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think multiple docs is unlikely. I'm trying to figure out why cora doesn't buy your claim. It's pretty simple he wants to mislynch the doctor to save himself using kp on me. Either way, if 2kp happens tonight and I'm not one of them you can lynch me but there are scum to find so I suggest you get to that because I will be soon. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:27 cDgCorazon wrote: So your meta is not having any scum reads? You sure like to make mountains out of mole hills | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:28 Chezinu wrote: You shouldn't break the Chezinu Rule. The New Brown State does not recognize you as family. I will start my own family, the blue state. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:40 cDgCorazon wrote: He's already said he wants sci dead, which is one more scumread than HF has given out. I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think? | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:43 Chezinu wrote: robots understand not the intimate messages. Perhaps your a cyborg as they have infected you my brother. Two robots I have caught, One who slander our dead brother and confirm the presence of the other. The second wants to form a family of robots without love and has broken the Chezinu Rule. I sense progress. I think you imply that robots follow simple programming and in fact do not understand the sacred rule of chezinu. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:44 Bereft wrote: why don't you put your vote where your mouth is? mocsta pointed this out earlier, but i realize now it's a valid query: why are none of you people FOSing mocsta voting for him? i'm looking at you HF, Onegu, JJD(?) I think you'll find that I have and he told me to get off my high horse and that I don't believe anything I say. Quite the reply don't you think? | ||
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On November 25 2013 03:04 Bereft wrote: i would agree with sixty percent odds. there is something that i would like to know. does chezinu write hidden messages only? will he really vote scib? He has a stupid "rule of chezinu" that when somebody accuses him of accusing someone else that person must then be scum, therefore he will accuse me shortly but it's silly and most people have heard of it so he's a silly little robot that must be terminated. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:43 Chezinu wrote: robots understand not the intimate messages. Perhaps your a cyborg as they have infected you my brother. Two robots I have caught, One who slander our dead brother and confirm the presence of the other. The second wants to form a family of robots without love and has broken the Chezinu Rule. I sense progress. Two robots! He is silly if he thinks it will work here though. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:24 Alakaslam wrote: Ok, just reading from the vote post, I can see who I like and who I don't particularly care for. But could someone help me here; Is jar jar drinks scummier than Mocsta or vice versa? Why? Should these wagons exist? Why or why not? I haven't got the full time period until lynch to be here and I kind of owe the first /in Mocsta is scum, I don't know why cora is defending him so hard. Activity will pick up, it's the weekend, people are busy/have lives but he isn't accepting it and is just attacking people that deface him or defending mocsta for no good reason. He's not saying WHY mocsta is very towny or systematically going through people's cases to acknowledge their points and say "oh here's a good point on why he is town", he's waiting for the person in question to return so he isn't held responsible if he makes a mistake defending his team mate. I'm pretty certain cora and mocsta are scum together. I will make cases soon™. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:17 Aquanim wrote: @Holyflare: Corazon, Thrawn and myself have the most experience with Mocsta out of the players here, and we're all telling you he's town. We're also (with Mocsta) the four most active players in the thread. Are you seriously contending that three of us are scum? I have more experience with him and more experience seeing him scum | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote: With the dragon gone, my chances of winning skyrockets. However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else... Right, you have no idea what I'm talking about. Not now. Not with the flares, sighs, and those that wish mocsta's demise. btw this guy is saying cora is town and me, onegu and people on mocsta wagon are priority pplz, yet he won't actively say it to anyone because he doesn't want to help | ||
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who was also on the onegu wagon no? | ||
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if you have to put that much attention into reading a guy, he's going to be useless | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:17 sciberbia wrote: @Holyflare Please stop dicking around with Chezinu and tell us who you want us to lynch today. In case you haven't noticed everyone else is debating between JJD and Onegu. Care to weigh in? mocsta | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:06 Chezinu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare Chezinu Rules! lynching doctor, troll rules! | ||
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If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy? If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all. Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway? Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy. Tl:dr Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu. | ||
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"why would I heal the claimed cop"..........? Is that a real question? | ||
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On November 26 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote: Yes, it is a real question. Did you heal him because he claimed; or because you had a town read on him before the claim? I healed him because he claimed. No way I'd let a potential cop die. It's not until after the night and the posts after that I seriously began to consider that he's just making up a lot of bs. | ||
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As for the point you want explaining: Cora has pushed for my lynch/onegu's lynch for coming on 2 days now. If he didn't believe my claim starting from the last day then why didn't he cop check me after I claimed doc on night 1? That would seem like a very easy confirm would it not? He says the play is stupid, doesn't agree with it and doesn't check me? Those things do not add up. I can get why he didn't check me night 2 though, in case I actually die and it's a wasted vote. Here's the real thing though. Why does he think I am lying about being a doctor and subsequently pushing for my lynch but also claiming cop in the middle of the night?. If i'm scum, I shoot him and get a cop out of the way who is supposedly checking my red checked team mate onegu because I know I wouldn't be doctor and therefore he wouldn't be saved. If he does believe my claim and claimed cop, why is he then pushing for my lynch with onegu still??? | ||
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On November 26 2013 18:03 Mocsta wrote: so... You admit you were present in the last 40min before deadline because you read the claim and changed action. Why then did you not contribute to any discussion. In fact, as town doctor you were the most likely to be Nk'd as your presence only serves to elongate a scum victory. Thusz I would have expected you to at least reinforce your reads. I welcome your answer to this one lol.... I was afk refreshing f5 in case something happened, doesn't mean I'm going to post in bed, especially something about who I am healing. | ||
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On November 26 2013 18:53 Mocsta wrote: This is a poor argument. A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing. I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip. I was around for lxiii, only casually looking at this, saw flips were coming soon, f5'd, saw cop claim, auto healed and afkd to sleep. It is 3am when the deadline is after all. | ||
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Guy claim doctor but acts really scummy ---> maybe can push mislynch on him (as cora has been doing) They save their kills for 2 kills and there is a doctor ----- > fake claim cop to draw heal so 2 shots definitely go through and aren't wasted (as cora did) Like, why else would you claim in the middle of the night as cop!?!? There's no legit reason unless you think the doc claim is legit or want to draw a heal away from your shots. To then push me as the day starts again? That doesn't make sense at all | ||
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On November 26 2013 19:10 Mocsta wrote: No that's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about a town player expecting to die. Known for talking a lot.. can be present at lynch deadline and not say a word. Blows my mind. ..so where is ya vote going? Either cora or onegu, I have to read onegu some more. | ||
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That's the thing you aren't seeing when you say other scenarios. If onegu is scum, why would cora be still alive when he most definitely said who he was checking today? Onegu has been playing and I've been lurking so what right do I have to stay in the game? They had 2kp, they could double stack cora or kill me and cora. If they double stacked cora not only would they get rid of a cop checking scum but they could make me look totally bad too because I "didn't heal the cop". Mocsta is now implying I wasn't around for the cop shenanigans but if I wasn't then why would scum not shoot cora because he most definitely wouldn't have been my save target otherwise. The real question that you don't seem to be acknowledging is that cora claimed cop at night time and still didn't die. WHY? | ||
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1.) alakaslam 3.) JarJarDrinks 4.) cDgCorazon 5.) Bereft 7.) Mocsta 9.) Onegu 10.) Holyflare 11.) sciberbia 12.) chez that's 9 players, am i missing something? | ||
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##Unvote onegu ##Vote cDgCorazon | ||
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On November 26 2013 23:48 Chezinu wrote: cDgCorazon (0): Aquanim (2): Rean (0): Onegu (0): Bereft (0): Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet (8): jampidampi (0): Mocsta (1): Onegu, JarJarDrinks (0): No-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon Bereft (0): Alakaslam (1): Chezinu (1): Onegu (0): JarJarDrinks (6): sciberbia (0): Holyflare (1): Mocsta (2): Thrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon It may be time for the rising star to face the dragon. yes yes we get it your read was wrong and now you have to battle cora in an epic fight, glhfgg | ||
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On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote: I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor. I don't think you've paid any attention to this game or my previous ones. | ||
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##Vote Holyflare If you can't comprehend what I was doing then you deserve to actually lose the game. | ||
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On November 27 2013 01:38 cDgCorazon wrote: On a break. A few questions for people: @Holyflare A couple of things. Can you explain your thrawn save N1 again for me? Why are you lurking at the deadline and not participating in the discussion or giving out your reads if you are town? @Alakaslam You told us that Chezinu is town but you never gave any evidence for it and never suggested an alternate scum member. How come? @Chezinu Who's "true color" did you attempt to find out last night? Was the towniest person on my read through. I also didn't need to post anything because I won't die. Why are you claiming cop with a lot of time before the night ends? | ||
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On November 27 2013 07:38 Mocsta wrote: I know you want to be the hero with the day2 onegu case and the cop check. however holygflare is the safer choice. hes deffo scum. chexz is deffo scum and between slam/onegu, slam is worrying me with his spam. hes talking a lot but saying absolutely nothing. out of those 4, if there was not a reds check,, I would be inclined to think onegu is the towniest. please join us with holy. cop claim is red, you all believe it but suddenly it doesn't matter anymore because I'm the most scummy!!! | ||
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On November 27 2013 08:06 Mocsta wrote: ohh the same vet onegu fake claimed with in hogwartsa.. that the forum vets said is the easiest fake claim to make because there is no way to confirm it. gotcha yeh well you wanted an answer to your questions, do i care if you like it? claiming a doctor is the perfect cover to waste a scum kp but they never cast it that's why i said the cop claim was fake BECAUSE I DIDNT SAVE HIM and he's not dead, I think onegu is town and people are making a ballsy play | ||
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here: Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Anthony Spilotro an Ancient Mobster (Veteran), known as "the Ant", you're old, older than these scamps, you remember back when the cops were clean. Hell, you're part of the reason they aren't anymore. Now your age gives you a distinct advantage, you know how the cops operate and how the mob operates you can use this and the net of contacts you have to avoid the first KP aimed at you during the game. You will be notified if you lose this extra life This is really simple. Cora, post your flavour and i'll show you he is lying!!!! and I have one exact trick to show you how! | ||
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On November 27 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote: Of course lol.. then why is (Town) missing from Veteran lol. Town doesn't go next to veteran just like town doesn't go next to investigator just like the entire role is not blue'd. Cora is scum. If I say "guys I know where KP went", then what does that say to you? Oh he's totally doctor and knows where our kp went bla bla. No, I maintain that I'm doctor and I saved someone and then likely get shot N2. I wasn't because scum made a cop claim to "draw" my heal and so wouldn't need to kill me. Now here is my mislynch! | ||
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On November 27 2013 10:38 Mocsta wrote: OMG.. lol.. you are that desparate that you are assuming there is not a host spreadsheet that OO copy/pastes from? desperate...? If he copied and pasted then my role would be perfect and there wouldn't be a problem because scum get fake claims, don't know what to tell you because you aren't making sense! | ||
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I wrote out my role pm which is from OO. I don't see the problem here. I've quite clearly pointed to Cora's fake claim, it is the most inconsistent out of all of them, no "known as" and all of his role is blue. I brought up this fake claim from the offset but you had to wait for onegu to post notes before you even seemed to come to terms with him being towny. Now, you think he's towny and then the "check" is a lie, so you vote me off, that is inconsistency! | ||
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On November 27 2013 11:01 Chezinu wrote: So, if I am special and you are special. Is there a special police force? I think we live in basic times so no! | ||
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On November 27 2013 10:52 Holyflare wrote: I don't follow the rulezzzzzz | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Man fuck you guys. I can't even fake-claim Investigator to get you guys to lynch my read. What do I have to do? Hack into Gmarshal's computer to find Onegu's role pm and post it in the thread? You guys are so ridiculous. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA im out, vote me off because I have lived the god damn dream | ||
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mocsta/cora/bereft scum team, gg! | ||
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2 of them are most likely scum, if you are town of course they are going to ignore your cases?!?! | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:47 cDgCorazon wrote: Mocsta told me one of my posts was "too constructed" and then continued to not talk about me. He just chimed in to say that post was scummy and then went onto other things. cz he is scum <3 | ||
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On November 27 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote: Bereft What do you think? Holy is definitely scum.. keep the vote their? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha called out the fake cop claim, called it a scum tactic, holy definitely scum! LOGIC ##Unvote ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote: holy is scum. cora is town. alright public announcement. listen up scummers: whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last. and what is your exact reasoning for this? I really want to know why you think my lynch is a good lynch because you clearly haven't been reading what has been happening? You don't like my play? Fine, then say it's a policy lynch. However, at least acknowledge that I played PRO-TOWN in this game by claiming doctor when I was in fact a vet. My posts might not live up to the standard of holyflare town that you know but this is a different game with a different playstyle. While claiming doctor I discovered that cora was in fact a fake cop and displayed it to the entire town, eventually he has finally come out and said it. It actually really confuses me now between mocsta and him because they both can't be scum and I had a feeling on mocsta all game, even though he said he's definitely going to lynch me and now can't decide at all. Cora's fake claim had holes in it though because I'm pretty sure it was written by himself, hence the error with the blue text, you then have to believe whether it's his ego that got in the way or an error in fake claiming in itself. I think it most probably comes from a frustrated town cora but then, why would he claim it at night when he was most likely to be killed? In fact, the pure fact that he claimed it at night is what's leading me to believe that he is scum cora. I claimed doctor and there is no way that he would claim it at night unless he believed it or was scum himself. If he believed it then he wouldn't have been pushing me in the game so by PoE he must be scum. /randomramblings ##Unvote #Vote CdgCorazon | ||
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Bereft/cora scum. Chezinu is also silly because his whole vote post is based on the fact I broke his rule which I already knew about, fake claiming was in the interest of town which he doesn't point out and he seems to dislike the colour blue! Game is so simple. Bereft/cora/maybe chez scum! <3 gg guys I solved the game for us. | ||
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On November 28 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote: obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you. What was that about scum "knowing too much", yeh this guy is your scum. Also onegu my claim is clearly not terrible if I think you are town and I am the one who is getting lynched. | ||
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On November 28 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote: obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you. let me just point that out to you again | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:44 Onegu wrote: im makeing sure there is a hammer and no shennigans, I set a alarm for 30 munutes til deadlin if people read my case that I spent 5 hours on and want to vote him Im ready. Cora is scum. I just showed it has to be me or him, and it is him as I am VT. But there has to be a lynch today otherwise we go to lylo with the same damn wagons.. I am makeing sure a lynch happens but really I am feeling bereft is fake claiming. Votes me.......? | ||
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There is a guy that fake claimed cop (cora) in the middle of the night whilst I claimed medic and 2 people died, one of them wasn't me. I am a total liability for the late game if I was doctor and so they thought to get me off for this lynch, the culprits being bereft mainly. I outed cora as clearly a fake cop but that's not enough either, I'm still scum because......? Oh yeh, a scum showed you his fake claim. Mocsta is going along with the vote, slam is afk and then just votes with thread sentiment, scibs is the same. The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever. | ||
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On November 28 2013 10:00 Mocsta wrote: So scum is according to holyflare now Cora, bereft and onegu?? Lol Here we have the guy that has an entire case made on him because he changes his reads throughout the game, yet, when someone else does it it's "Lol", I hope you people read into this guy more because he is a hypocrite, he policy lynches people that get called town and is now lynching off another towny, if the game somehow does not end tonight please don't sleep on him! | ||
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On November 28 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote: lol so troll We dont need cora just stay on HF. Scum would all have to out themselves to save him and we could just lynch them tmrw please inform me where your helpful discussion has been because today I: 1) Proved to you that the cop claim was indeed a lie 2) Showed you 2 scum that you are clearly not discussing, it's an actual joke that nobody is talking about the moves that people have done today, they are actually afk lynching me with no discussion. If I am scum then you are nowhere nearer to lynching 2 other scum in this game. Congratulations, free scum victory. 3) There is a butt load of information about people from my play today, hopefully, if chezinu is in fact town he can read up on people's reactions on it. | ||
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Firstly, bereft mentions in his post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2013 02:13 Bereft wrote: alright cora, I really didn't want to claim. we haven't solved this game yet and could use mafia wasting a KP. but if you won't listen to reason maybe you'll listen to COLD HARD FACTS. I know for a fact HF is not town because I'm the veteran. think about it - why do you think as soon as you claimed blue I became so confident in my HF read? I knew there was no chance in hell we had 3 blue roles in the game. and between you and HF, HF was lying. why do you think I was so paranoid about a red power role affecting your cop check? I knew if there was a vet AND a cop in the game, there being a red power role is a certainty. why do you think I asked HF to post his flavor and immediately knew that gmarshal didn't write it as soon as I saw it? it's completely different than mine, the blue role isn't bolded, half of it is a run on sentence... why else would HF not post his flavor as soon as he claimed vet? I'd bet all my TL dollars he was desperately waiting for gmarshal to send him some fluff and had to churn something out under the gun. I'm serving you a scummer on a silver platter right now. please don't throw away the game because you are too proud. the Greeks have a word for this - it's called hubris. He says that as soon as cora posted that he was blue that he knew for a fact that I was lying and was 100% scum. On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote: I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor. That is quite clearly reflected here. However, if he was so sure that cora was a blue role (well he is "sure" because he has admitted several times that cora is town) then why was he so hesitant to trust the other blue's claim on onegu? (Hint: onegu is probably scum too). Not only does he succesfully setup an onegu save he gets to lynch off the current claimed doctor at the same time and secure the game all in one! Now, the fishy parts, he calls cora town all the time, despite the fake cop claim shenanigans and the cop claim in the middle of the night he "knew" cora had to be town. Yet, here is where it doesn't make sense. As soon as he saw cora "claim cop", in the middle of the night, why was his first reaction coming into the day "holyflare has to be lying oh no 3 power roles op" (3 is normal by the way). Instead of, yay holyflare might actually be doctor because cora the blue cop didn't die and got a read! He was SO certain of me not being blue? How does he manage to say that because the evidence is somewhat against him (chezinu has also claimed GF). Then, when I say I was vet the 100% probability of me being it lowers down to 98%, the uncertainty whilst he waits for his fake claim to arrive increases! On November 27 2013 08:55 Bereft wrote: and onegu suddenly becomes 93%.please cora, it's not that we doubt you. I just think we need to be careful since it's MYLO and we can't discount the possibility of mafia steamrolling us. voting HF is like the difference between lynching someone who's 98% probability scum vs 93% probability scum. I know those numbers are completely arbitrary, but those are basically my confident intervals. there's no downside in getting rid of HF first, and doing so may give us an indication of red power roles. I'm inclined to think HF is GF because of his holier than thou attitude whenever we ask him about motive (see: "I'm too meta for this game", etc). if a cop check came back green on him, he could claim he was trying to draw fire power in lieu of a more townie member (effectively what he's trying to do now with his vet claim now that we are making him sweat). Cora, think of it this way: why take that 4% chance there's a miller or framer at play when there's no harm in saving onegu for tomorrow? Chezinu also claims a blue role (gf) but guess where that gets mentioned in berefts filter? Absolutely nowhere at all! The fact that bereft didn't believe my claim in the first place because 3 roles op is weird enough, but he doesn't mention the other guy that claims blue when cora still hasn't revealed his fake claim yet? Yeh, that's what you call more odd. Now, more things that strike me as odd. He calls cora so town (I think it might be a lie now, I don't even know anymore what cora is) but doesn't bat an eye lid about the way his role was written out as? Why is that? It was quite clearly different to his and he didn't mention it at all. So why when I said I had to type it out from my pm does he focus on the way mine is written? If mine looks so fake then why am I the scum over cora's who was so believable? There is no explanation from this at all. It's just inconsistency within bereft's filter all day and all night. There is no discussion from anyone with him, he's just trying to ram home a mislynch on me as can be seen with his literal pleading with cora to vote switch to me. | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote: Yes and you would be a major contributor if town. I'm done with this diatribe I contribute as both scum and town so my lack of contribution is null at best, I tried to switch up my town play because I was bored of being the crazy analytical one that filter dives everyone. I just made a case on bereft and you just admitted you are straight up ignoring evidence because you don't care if town loses or not. This is day 1 all over again - policy lynch 2.0 | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote: Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BEREFT I like your style, at least you are willing to read and put effort in even though I've been a douche for the past few days, thank you! | ||
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On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote: Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare + Show Spoiler + 1.+ Show Spoiler + Doesn't need an explanation 2.+ Show Spoiler + fake claim 3.+ Show Spoiler + blue state 4.+ Show Spoiler + On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote: (A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare: - I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here - I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch - He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement. - Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute) A quick aside re. Holyflare + Show Spoiler + If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions: Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet. He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. 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On November 28 2013 11:22 Mocsta wrote: Nah. The way you have gone about pushing your agenda is the problem. In reality there is no need to discuss until post game. If scum, no shit Sherlock. If town, you have shoved a cock in my mouth whilst I'm sleeping and then are calling me gay... Shouldn't have left your door open then, gay. At least read my posts on bereft and chezinu so if I die and there are cases left if somehow the game doesn't end. | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:49 Chezinu wrote: Well, if you are town. You have been blatantly playing against your win condition. If we lose, I'll just enjoy thanksgiving with the family tomorrow. I claimed doctor to draw a bullet when I was a vet, that's totally against win conditions ~_~! GG chezinu, lurkers winz~~~~! | ||
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Chezinu, while you may have pinned the scum team down at the end of the day you were also town and if you didn't actively point them in the right direction (i was obviously scum -.-) then it's not always the best thing to do, especially as you were an active mislynch for the next day. Also lol @bereft who called my flavour bad, it was written by mods :D! Inactivity played a major part in this game as well as arguments, people that were appearing to contribute but also being lurky at the same time slam/scibs should have been likely suspects because of the NK's. Slam feared chezinu all game, chezinu was a next day potential mislynch. Nobody really went into details on why that kill made sense. Thrawn and aqua kills would only come from someone actively reading the thread to know what was happening and so someone active should have been looked at. In an argument like cora/mocsta someone who posts every so often with stuff that doesn't really add to much (scibs) should add suspicion. If town didn't actively policy lynch someone they all "thiught was town" then this game could have gone in a seriously different manner. There are mods to pm, end game to discuss things like that. To lynch someone people called town just because they got in an argument with is ridiculous, especially as you have double standards re:cora. | ||
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All I can do is pretty much echo what other people have said, yes, while I may have played trolly, initially I was making posts that demonstrated my thought process (that policy lynches actively go against win cons etc etc and you could read rayn bla bla) All you were doing was shutting me down at every point I could possibly make, if I was actually town then that is the kind of atmosphere that hinders any and all consideration for other people and yes you may have been town but you didn't know what alignment I was. What I'm trying to say is that while you know your alignment, other people that paint you scummy aren't making points based on illogical merits that need to be discredited at every point, there are reasons they think the things they do and in a game of information the more information you can get from people the more likely they are to slip up. If you ushered in conversation instead of shutting it down (even if it was based around you) then the town atmosphere improves tenfold. This isn't just a jab at you (tis constructive criticism) because other people are also guilty of the same thing. When people don't follow your reasoning or don't agree with your sentiment it's because they have their own thoughts, their own lines of inquisition. When a new theory is proposed it is looked upon with doubtful eyes because their own thought is seen through rose tinted glasses so they need convincing, a case may look good to you but it isn't always the most convincing thing in the world. On the topic of cases, Onegu. I get that you spend a lot of time on your cases and that's how you play but from what I see (I know you put a butt tonne of effort into them) they are often seen with a tunnelled mindset. You decide someone is scum and then when one post goes out of line it confirms to you that they MUST be scum. The things you pick up on as scum tells - miscontruing posts etc etc. while yes, can be scum tells some of the time are most often coming from people that haven't fully read up on all the details, it's not alignment confirming. I don't know what to say on improving rather than to put yourself in their shoes. If you were scum would you blatantly put inconsistencies in your posts just so somebody else could point them out and be all "hey he's scum DIE", I don't think you would personally. I think the main problem is that you have very little thread interaction. You return to the thread with a case on someone and then just debate the points brought up within your case, if someone disagrees then they are scummy or wrong and then you have to disappear again, I know this is due to time constraints etc because IRL is a huge burden but I suggest that if you devote time to playing mafia but know you don't have a lot of time then your playstyle would need to change from making cases of the nature that you do to bouncing off reads to people and discovering what they think and what their thought processes are. If you get people to explain what they are doing to the thread their motives become clearer and clearer and then the culmination of that CAN be a case. This would look like you actively developed the read and found substance on it rather than come out of the blue with a case that is self-confirmed. ____________________________________ As far as the game itself, I can't really say anything other than the arguments ruined it for you. I was allowed to play scummy as hell and get away with it because so much attention was drawn away from me it was unreal. My claim allowed things like this to occur: Holyflare 11-23-2013 10:04 PM ET (US) Haha this works so well, they spend the day talking about my role only to realise "hey we can't lynch a potential doctor and we really don't know if he's scum or not" then they realise they have no real guess work for the day and default to their original scum trail of onegu. Successful day wasted. | ||
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On December 03 2013 16:12 Chezinu wrote: What I learned from this game is to trust the Chezinu Rule. I talked about this during the game. Every time it comes up despite knowing it has work 100% in the past, I am still hesitant. I have doubts thinking that it may fail this time. It requires faith to follow through with the Chezinu Rule. In the future, I need to trust this mighty rule more. So, remember faith>logic. Cause Chezinu Rules. I knew the rule and I still did it because I knew you would say something | ||
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