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Back on a comp now, and about to start filter diving.
Holyflare first + some VCA + I have to double check if Corazon maintained his ##no-lynch to deadline (because in my memory he swapped to Rayn). If his ##no-lynch was maintained, this looks pretty bad as he has never voted with town for all finished lynches.
With Onegu quote above, yeah, i dont get it.
Its 4-2; if you are lynched (as town) its 3-2 and the only way its not GG is if scum shoot a ?vet? -- highly unlikely.
It should be game over.
As an aside its pretty bad that convo has died completely since I'm gone.
Diminishing activity in these times is usually indicative of scum doing the minimal work required to avoid the noose --- in this case the entire thread died so the tell doesn't apply.
Probably the three posters that have at least tried to contribute *some thought* are: myself, bereft and sciberbia. Maybe Onegu.
This again looks pretty bad for Corazon/Slam.
If Corazon wants to be such a town hero, I think it would have made some sense for him to give this thread some impetus in my absence.
/musings
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On November 22 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 1 cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu, thrawn2112, sciberbia, HolyflareAquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneetRean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneetOnegu (0): sciberbia, thrawn2112Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneetMocsta (0): raynpelikoneetraynpelikoneet (8): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, Holyflare, sciberbia, raynpelikoneetjampidampi (0): raynpelikoneetMocsta (1): Onegu, raynpelikoneetJarJarDrinks (0): raynpelikoneetNo-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon What stands out to me here is:
(1) Rean/Slam: Useless vote; but was AFK the 2nd half of the cycle
(2) Sciberbia: Helped to consolidate on Rayn; votes Corazon but is a dead vote as Rayn already had 6 votes. His votes are consistent with his cases though.
(3) Holyflare: Dead vote on Corazon is odd. Need to check if Corazon chucked the shits at this vote
(4) Onegu: Dead votes
On November 25 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 2 Bereft (0): thrawn2112Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, MocstaChezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, ChezinuJarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta sciberbia (0): Mocsta, ChezinuHolyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, ChezinuMocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, HolyflareThrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon What stands out to me here is:
(1) Slam jumping onto JJD at a very opportune moment.
(2) Onegu again throwing his vote away again (but I know I am town)
(3) Holyflare throwing his vote away again.. this makes Corazon look slightly better due to the Day1 vote
(4) Scibs with only 1 vote. Need to re-check his position on Onegu/Corazon (his Day 1 votes)
On November 28 2013 11:51 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 3 Onegu (1): Mocsta, cDgCorazon, Bereft, Alakaslam, Mocsta, sciberbia, Holyflare, cDgCorazon Mocsta (0): Mocsta, Chezinu, cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, HolyflarecDgCorazon (0): Onegu, Holyflare, cDgCorazon, HolyflareHolyflare (7): Bereft, sciberbia, Holyflare, Mocsta, Alakaslam, Chezinu, Onegu, Holyflare, Onegu sciberbia (0): cDgCorazonChezinu (0): cDgCorazonBereft (0): cDgCorazon, Holyflare, Onegu What stands out to me here is:
(1) Corazon jumps around as much as Holyflare. From memory this was him chucking the shits. The key point is that he had a dead vote.
(2) Onegu doesn't vote me for the first time. Instead follows Holy onto Bereft. His vote on Holy was a hammer in the sense it prevented HF from jumping ship.
(3) Slam is in the middle of both Onegu and HF.
(1) Without a re-read, Scibs Day2 vote looks bad as he came on board before consolidation time. The firm vote on HF isn't worth any points as Bereft essentially nailed HF forcing consolidation.
(2) Slams voting looks really bad. His play is quite far removed and he shows none of urge to improve his play like in other recent games. Reans filter also reads on the verge of scummy/useless town.
(3) Corazon's dead vote on Onegu is a *BOLD* play Day3. Its possible to argue he was asleep - hence was never present to consolidate; but, jeez this looks really bad next cycle and considering HF went down early-ish into the cycle, Im tending to think this is too dumb a move to perform as scum.
(4) Onegu and HF have some voting synergism. As I said before, I find it unlikely that scum would follow suit so closely, but its not impossible.
I think the best lynch for this cycle based on VCA is Slam (who I thought one of Chez/Slam was scum anyways).
Then need to consider one of {Onegu, Sciberbia, Corazon}.
To which, I am still probably leaning Onegu -- His sudden retrenchment of scum read on me seems unusual even given MYLO.
Going to read HF now.
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On November 27 2013 23:12 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 10:54 sciberbia wrote:On November 21 2013 10:23 Rean wrote:On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable. Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. Scib, please adress. The fact of the matter is I only have so much time to post per day, and I chose to allocate my time last night towards posting about Cora, my strongest scumread at the time, instead of you, as my read on you were not as strong.
My problem with Rean's early play was well highlighted by Aquanim. Part of the reason I'm not too confident in an Aquanim lynch is I've agreed with a lot of his thoughts about Rean and Cora. Specifically I agree with Aquanim that Rean's early play lacks purpose. It doesn't look like he's actively scumhunting. In fact he has to be practically "talked into" his first scumread. On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:51 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:49 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=7#127 Ah yes, my bad. Do you think Corazon's argument that sciberbia is scum is persuasive? Why or why not? Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. Rean made a bunch of noncomittal observations, and then when specifically asked to look at Cora's argument on me, calls it persuasive, but also goes out of his way to mention that it "gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful". He also doesn't score any points for agreeing with an argument that I think is objectively bad. I also don't like how Rean repeatedly calls out lurkers. This is typical of scum wanting to shift attention elsewhere and perhaps start an easy wagon.The things that give me pause concernign Rean are his activity and overall abrasiveness. Specifically, I don't know why he'd be picking this fight with me if he were scum. Given that I called him scummy, it strategically doesn't make any sense for him to provoke me, and actively engage in discussion with me, just as I said I'm deciding between him and a few others as my top candidate. Overall, leaning scum on him, but probably not the best lynch today. Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 11:08 sciberbia wrote:
I'm gonna put Cora in the same place as Rean for now. He could be scum and my previous points on him still stand, but there is enough reason to think he is town to not lynch him today. I was expecting scum!Cora to continue tunneling me, but I like that he has diversified his reads a bit and done some prodding and pushing with Onegu and Aquanim, for which I see more town motivation for than scum motivation.
I feel a lot better about lynching Onegu because literally nothing in Onegu's filter makes me not want to lynch him. He's been fairly lurky, and the little posting he does have doesn't look town motivated.
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Funnily enough. If Slam is scum; I think this looks pretty bad for Sciberbia.
Could explain the NK as well.
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On December 01 2013 04:31 sciberbia wrote:Mocsta - I have a really bad feeling about Mocsta being scum with either Slam or Onegu. Individually Slam and Onegu look scummier, but I just have a bad feeling that if we lose it's going to be because Mocsta is scum. Here are some reasons why: - Scumtells from D1, D2, that were touched on by myself, Bereft, Onegu. I haven't done a proper case on Mocsta myself as I've never actually wanted to lynch him (even today I don't). To be honest I was really hoping he'd be shot by now so I don't have to worry about him.
- He's been so active and pushy that as a town leader he'd be a lurky scum team's worst nightmare. The shots on thrawn and chezinu rather than Mocsta are very puzzling to me if he is town.
- He has established that he is prone to reversing reads over the course of a few hours. This means he is extremely dangerous in 4-person LYLO if he is scum because he can vote for anyone and get away with it.
Cora - If not Mocsta, I think Cora could be scum. After all, I've detailed how I found his D1 play somewhat scummy, and his play ever since his cop claim has been anti-town, to say the least. But I disagree with Onegu that his anti-town play means that he has to be scum. Townies can play anti-town too. I also have a hard time seeing why he would fake cop, and then retract it after convincing everyone he was cop. Unless he is very much a believer in style before victory. Meh. Overall, between Mocsta and Bereft in terms of scumminess. I really can't see myself lynching him ever. Bereft - I strongly strongly think Bereft is town. If I'm wrong, he has done a hell of a job of fooling me by starting the HolyFlare lynch, claiming veteran, and keeping all his play and pushing of HolyFlare consistent. This on top of his D1 play (on which I was leaning town) make it too hard for me to seriously consider him as scum.
So the most pressing question is: should we lynch Onegu today? He has 3 votes if I'm not mistaken. The sad thing is that unless we are going to lynch Cora instead I'm not sure we have much choice. There are 4 townies alive right now, and we need 4 votes to lynch. So if Cora is town, even assuming that we could get the other 3 townies on a scum, we wouldn't end up getting them lynched. If we NL, then scum just delays and we are in a strictly worse position tomorrow. I'm 100% sure that I'd rather lynch Onegu than Cora, but I'm really not too confident that Onegu is a better lynch than Slam. Onegu has been trying really hard recently, and I dunno it just makes me feel uneasy. On the other hand, Rean's slot was fairly scummy and Alakaslam is hard to read/understand. @Bereft If it was all up to you, who would you rather lynch today between Slam and Onegu? BTW. I find this post overall pretty bad.
Neglecting the content on me: its a bunch of waffle with no firm opinion.
The kicker is the conclusion where you ask Bereft to take a stand (after licking his balls saying he is a strong town read)
IIn MYLO strong town need to stand up; and mr. analysis Sciberbia is doing none of the sort.
This post makes me want to lynch Sciberbia instead of Slam.
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On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. This post pretty much confirms me as town.
Hes been suggesting my name for lynch via the list above, yet when I ask him if i am scum he doesn't answer the question directly. Instead he rambles on a bunch of points and concludes those actions are scummy. Basically he writes a whole bunch of stuff to persuade others I am scum; but avoids commenting directly/lying.
On November 25 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:On November 25 2013 09:31 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 09:13 Chezinu wrote:On November 25 2013 08:48 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 08:28 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 25 2013 08:18 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:42 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam: Just so you know, you're replacing into a slot I really wanted to lynch. I'll try and give you time to read the game and make your own reads - I'd really appreciate it if you post your thoughts long enough before the lynch I can think about them. Ok. I filtered myself and found out, and also see that deadline is soon. If I get lynched, well rean gets lynched  but I can't possibly be rightly useful to town until later. We are at 80 pages, that will take me about a day, assuming I basically quit the other game. So levy the accusations against me and your current reads so I can not get modkilled right after replacing- and not have it be useless by voting no lynch or some such thing. Why is who up. Act like I just read my own filter (rean), and therefore know little about anyone. I'll oblige: Onegu: + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. Most of this is true but I think the part after the second quote was me misreading. Most of this is still pretty good evidence IMO. Holyflare: Holyflare claimed doctor N1 for absolutely no reason and said that he saved Thrawn. He replaced in late D1 and has not done much. His excuse? His doctor claim obviously means he is town (it's not an excuse). Mocsta: Basically the fact that his votes gone through Onegu, Sciberia, and JJD in very rapid succession. He is all over the place with a lot of his reads. JJD: I'm not entirely sure. Something about his Rayn vote and tunneling me. Jampi (Chezinu): Jampi has been non-existant the whole game and would probably be the unanimous wagon if he had not been replaced and forced us to talk about other people. Rean (You): Rean's filter is short and according to Aqua he gave very little of his own opinions and some other stuff. Ask Aqua about the Rean case. This is appreciated, and rean's filter is short is like saying an ant is small. He is Rayne inverse. Which is quite bad. Give chezzy and me a day to make acquaintance, and awaken the powers that slumber within caves, such that the war of the trolls shall declare the victorious town. (Let Chezinu catch up it is only fair- let me too please same reason. I assume that is why we aren't up for lynch yet.) Jar jar drinks: VOTING FOR RAYNE- no stfu ppl. That isn't alignment indicative. It IS NOT. Mocsta: ok. Well, I ask: if town always knew what was up town would win every game. However, is there incoherence on an unusual level? Holyflare: ummm... Well I have claimed tracker day one so not much comment yet. Trying to avoid hissyfit bias too, we are in two games now... And ONEGU: most useful part of your post. Time to look closer! I may "sheep" you, but I want to see what is up from others plz kthx Hi, I r chez. Did you obtain summary of what is going on? I only got sighs... CHEZINU!!! Yes! I think CDGCORAZON is a good one, what about you? I am wanting to ask also, do you sell the balm for insanity? I have been afflicted by LXIII, go not there With the dragon gone, my chances of winning skyrockets. However, style before victory. Having both the sun and the dragon live in the end is a more stylish victory. Just need to feed the dragon something else... Right, you have no idea what I'm talking about. Not now. Not with the flares, sighs, and those that wish mocsta's demise. btw this guy is saying cora is town and me, onegu and people on mocsta wagon are priority pplz, yet he won't actively say it to anyone because he doesn't want to help
This is interesting from Chezinu. Hes basically staking the scum team as HF, sighs = Sciberbia, thoses that wish mocsta's demise (=?Onegu?)
HF does not call out Sciberbia.
Also, HF is able to discern from this puzzle that Corazon is town. is he the dragon or sun? I have no idea; but that HF can state Corazon is town from this makes me think taht Corazon is indeed town!
This gets more interesting from this Aquanim followup:
On November 25 2013 10:12 Aquanim wrote:
I'm pretty sure "sighs" is sciberbia On November 25 2013 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
who was also on the onegu wagon no? HF avoids talking about the eligibility of Sciberbia and further implies that because Scibs voted Onegu -- Scibs is towny.
i.e. pointing towards Onegu being scum.
On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?
If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?
If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?
Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.
Tl:dr
Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu. This ties in with what I said before about HF making no sense to challenge Corazon this way with the claim. here it is clear that he is calling out Corazon to avoid a lynch onto Onegu. What scum motivation is there to avoid this mislynch?
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On December 01 2013 16:58 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count Onegu (2): Mocsta, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, cDgCorazon (2): Onegu, Mocsta Not Voting (2): Bereft, sciberbia
No one is currently set to be lynched.
6 players alive means 4 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.
Day 4 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
(1) My final scum team is: Holyflare, Onegu, Sciberbia
(2) ##Vote: Onegu
I am voting Onegu as we need consolidation.
(3) Bereft We need you on Onegu
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To be honest I prefer a Sciberbia vote. I think hes certain scum.
Between Slam/Onegu ima bit iffy. But I think Corazon won't budge which really sucks and leads to no ability to pressure Slam/Onegu for a better read.
@Corazon
You had the early scum read on Scibs, feel like moving that way?
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Onegu, you gonna vote Sciberbia with me?
Im pretty confident Corazon is town based on Holyflare filter.
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On December 01 2013 22:51 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 22:44 Mocsta wrote:
Onegu, you gonna vote Sciberbia with me?
Im pretty confident Corazon is town based on Holyflare filter. Maybe as it is infinitely more likely he is scum than I am scum. But that being said if I cant have cora or you, I would prefer a slam lynch.
Ain't this an interesting perspective.
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Lol.. if you are town you would read HolyFlare filter.
You would realise how much we genuinely argue with other and you would realise I am confirmed town.
I am 0% of being scum.. but this is the same convo I had with Holyflare.. de ja vu 'ey.
Corazon holds the key here unfortunately. Based on your reaction to Sciberbia, I am pretty happy with your lynch over Slam though.
Then there is the same slip as HF ==> Assuming the game will carry on post-flip.
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On December 01 2013 23:32 Onegu wrote:
Wifom, and HF likes to bus.
LOL.. theres a difference between bus and meaningfully argue.
That you now rescind back to your cheap one liners ain't looking good.
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On December 02 2013 02:56 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Mocsta] +On December 01 2013 21:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 1 cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu, thrawn2112, sciberbia, HolyflareAquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneetRean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneetOnegu (0): sciberbia, thrawn2112Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneetMocsta (0): raynpelikoneetraynpelikoneet (8): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, Holyflare, sciberbia, raynpelikoneetjampidampi (0): raynpelikoneetMocsta (1): Onegu, raynpelikoneetJarJarDrinks (0): raynpelikoneetNo-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon What stands out to me here is:(1) Rean/Slam: Useless vote; but was AFK the 2nd half of the cycle (2) Sciberbia: Helped to consolidate on Rayn; votes Corazon but is a dead vote as Rayn already had 6 votes. His votes are consistent with his cases though. (3) Holyflare: Dead vote on Corazon is odd. Need to check if Corazon chucked the shits at this vote (4) Onegu: Dead votes
Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 2 Bereft (0): thrawn2112Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, MocstaChezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, ChezinuJarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta sciberbia (0): Mocsta, ChezinuHolyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, ChezinuMocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, HolyflareThrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon What stands out to me here is:(1) Slam jumping onto JJD at a very opportune moment. (2) Onegu again throwing his vote away again (but I know I am town) (3) Holyflare throwing his vote away again.. this makes Corazon look slightly better due to the Day1 vote (4) Scibs with only 1 vote. Need to re-check his position on Onegu/Corazon (his Day 1 votes)
Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:51 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 3 Onegu (1): Mocsta, cDgCorazon, Bereft, Alakaslam, Mocsta, sciberbia, Holyflare, cDgCorazon Mocsta (0): Mocsta, Chezinu, cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, HolyflarecDgCorazon (0): Onegu, Holyflare, cDgCorazon, HolyflareHolyflare (7): Bereft, sciberbia, Holyflare, Mocsta, Alakaslam, Chezinu, Onegu, Holyflare, Onegu sciberbia (0): cDgCorazonChezinu (0): cDgCorazonBereft (0): cDgCorazon, Holyflare, Onegu What stands out to me here is:(1) Corazon jumps around as much as Holyflare. From memory this was him chucking the shits. The key point is that he had a dead vote. (2) Onegu doesn't vote me for the first time. Instead follows Holy onto Bereft. His vote on Holy was a hammer in the sense it prevented HF from jumping ship. (3) Slam is in the middle of both Onegu and HF.
(1) Without a re-read, Scibs Day2 vote looks bad as he came on board before consolidation time. The firm vote on HF isn't worth any points as Bereft essentially nailed HF forcing consolidation. (2) Slams voting looks really bad. His play is quite far removed and he shows none of urge to improve his play like in other recent games. Reans filter also reads on the verge of scummy/useless town. (3) Corazon's dead vote on Onegu is a *BOLD* play Day3. Its possible to argue he was asleep - hence was never present to consolidate; but, jeez this looks really bad next cycle and considering HF went down early-ish into the cycle, Im tending to think this is too dumb a move to perform as scum. (4) Onegu and HF have some voting synergism. As I said before, I find it unlikely that scum would follow suit so closely, but its not impossible.
I think the best lynch for this cycle based on VCA is Slam (who I thought one of Chez/Slam was scum anyways).Then need to consider one of {Onegu, Sciberbia, Corazon}. To which, I am still probably leaning Onegu -- His sudden retrenchment of scum read on me seems unusual even given MYLO. Going to read HF now. ##Unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam @Mocsta Why do you keep drawing attention to 'dead votes' after every vote count? I don't understand your conclusions in this VCA. Seeing as there was really only one main wagon at the end of every day, you can call any vote not on the lynchee a dead vote. Is there anything necessarily scummy about that? Furthermore, I really don't understand how you can think this On December 01 2013 21:04 Mocsta wrote:
Scibs Day2 vote looks bad as he came on board before consolidation time.
You are essentially calling me scum because I was wrong. But how can you think that given the two immediately subsequent votes were Aquanim and yourself (who is also, assuming you are town, confirmed town to you). + Show Spoiler [start of JJD wagon] +On November 24 2013 17:28 sciberbia wrote:Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time. On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline. Furthermore here JJD expresses his opinion that Onegu is town and HF is scum, but says he will reread. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him.
He never posts the results of this reread. He hasn't been defending Onegu today even though he's looked like the most likely lynch candidate. He hasn't been pushing an HF lynch either. As thrawn says he's too content doing nothing. Combined with what aquanim and thrawn have posted, this feels really right to me. Better than every other lynch.
##Vote: JarJarDrinks On November 24 2013 17:40 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 17:28 sciberbia wrote:
Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time.
On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline.
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Dunno why it didn't quite reach my brain until this repetition, but yeah this is damning. ##Vote: JarJarDrinks On November 24 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote:
##vote: jarjardrinks*
Lets get a majority people !!! So what exactly is it about my vote that is scummy? + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2013 21:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count DAY 2 Bereft (0): thrawn2112Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, MocstaChezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, ChezinuJarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta sciberbia (0): Mocsta, ChezinuHolyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, ChezinuMocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, HolyflareThrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon What stands out to me here is:(1) Slam jumping onto JJD at a very opportune moment. And here Slam is scummy for being on the 'consolidating portion' of the JJD wagon, right next to yourself. Basically I don't understand this VCA at all and would like you to expand on your thought process so I can see how genuine you're being. You point out pople for starting a wagon, consolodating on a wagon, and leaving their votes 'dead', but call all 3 types of voting behavior scummy. What would you consider to be townie voting behavior?
(1) Instant Majority is an important aspect of this game. Maybe I over-value it, but regardless, I was trying to consider who went against the grain in a non-committal way. Thats why I looked at Dead-Votes. Its not necessarily scummy. It was trying to find out avenues to pursue.
(2) It was clear. You had votes on Corazon/Onegu D1, and then are one of the first onto JJD. I said pretty clearly in the diatribe that I have to double check how you came onboard; but from that information solely - it looks bad.
(3) Slam is scummy based on having a +1 vote in the middle which seals the wagon.
(4) Townie voting behaviuor would be tied into the rationale behind the vote. I don't have time to do this for everyone. You are welcome to step in though.
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On December 01 2013 20:08 Mocsta wrote:
Back on a comp now, and about to start filter diving.
Holyflare first + some VCA + I have to double check if Corazon maintained his ##no-lynch to deadline (because in my memory he swapped to Rayn). If his ##no-lynch was maintained, this looks pretty bad as he has never voted with town for all finished lynches.
On December 02 2013 06:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
The bold is a complete lie. I voted for JJD. Why did you blatantly lie Mocsta? Were you expecting town not to look at the votecounts? Why are you throwing lies and shit accusations everywhere? Someone is confirmation biased.
*I* pasted the votecounts for all 3 days. Did I comment on this in the VCA which followed after this.
*No* Because double-check showed it was wrong. Jesus Christ.. this game is lost because after Onegu you are just going to tunnel me and listen to no one. And because its majority lynch, you have all the power.
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On December 02 2013 03:02 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 20:53 Bereft wrote:
I can't think of a reason why a mocsta scum team would make this move. all it does is cast doubt on the town read almost the entire thread has on him. the only pairing where this move would make sense is if it were a moc/scib scum team. which is not impossible but pretty much gg if so.
@Bereft What if Mocsta/Onegu is scumteam and Mocsta figured that he would be able to get a mislynch on Slam, but was worried for whatever reason that Chez was blue and would be able to confirm Slam as town or Mocsta as scum? Seems very plausible to me. This is why I think the Chez kill points towards Moc being scum (or possibly even you/cora) over both Slam and Onegu.
Lol. this is ridiculous.
I have been pushing for a Onegu/Chezinu lynch for multiple cycles. I most certainly did not have a blue read on Chezinu.
Chezinu points towards *you* but somehow this is completely ignored in your analysis.
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On December 02 2013 03:07 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Bereft] +On December 02 2013 01:52 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 04:31 sciberbia wrote:
So the most pressing question is: should we lynch Onegu today? He has 3 votes if I'm not mistaken.
The sad thing is that unless we are going to lynch Cora instead I'm not sure we have much choice. There are 4 townies alive right now, and we need 4 votes to lynch. So if Cora is town, even assuming that we could get the other 3 townies on a scum, we wouldn't end up getting them lynched. If we NL, then scum just delays and we are in a strictly worse position tomorrow.
I'm 100% sure that I'd rather lynch Onegu than Cora, but I'm really not too confident that Onegu is a better lynch than Slam. Onegu has been trying really hard recently, and I dunno it just makes me feel uneasy. On the other hand, Rean's slot was fairly scummy and Alakaslam is hard to read/understand.
@Bereft
If it was all up to you, who would you rather lynch today between Slam and Onegu? in response to this, i think an onegu lynch is the right move. i agree with mocsta's post here: + Show Spoiler +On November 28 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 14:22 Onegu wrote:Can people read my cora case please?+ Show Spoiler [Boring!!!!!] +Cora plays very anti town, doesnt have a town PoV, contridicts himself multiple times. His day one lynch target 24hours in is aqua, his case is 2 points, first aqua goes from null to scum on cora with no reason, 2 aquas case and points on rean is wrong. Aqua responds, cora says his reason on point 1 is smoke and mirrors, and accepts aquas points on rean are legit. So cora has 2 points against aqua and one is completely shattered and cora accepts it is. So cora unvotes amd moves on. WRONG!!! Cora says nothing has changed and aqua should still be lynched. Rayn and mocsta shit start, aqua still who he wants to lynch. But does he push his lynch, other than saying he still wants to lynch him, he doesnt mention him. Doesnt say hey guys really aqua is scum check out my case, or bring up new points at all. His first case is BS, its scum attemptimg to look active. - In my head I was thinking: I'm bored, how about I give Onegu some courtesy and give it a full read over. - Then I realised "WOW!" Onegu has an 11page filter, maybe... *just* MAYBE he could be town. BAH-BAM !!!!! - Then I realised something else. You see Onegu: Its impossible for Holyflare and Corazon to be on a scum team. (1) Thread sentiment wanted an Onegu lynch (2) Corazon wanted a Onegu lynch (3) Its MYLO (4) Corazon fake-claimed to get you lynched (5) Holyflare Opposed the lynch as hard as he could.. even getting Corazon to admit the fake-claim Whats the problem?The problem is that scum want to win. As quickly as possible.Give that it is MYLO, if Corazon was scum -- there was no need for Holyflare to battle him, put pressure on him.. heck even get Corazon to admit fake-claiming. Further, if Corazon was *WRONG* about Onegu... Holy woulda just sat by idly and let scum mislynch to finish the game. Onegu, we already knew you were scum before all this. Now its proven and irrefutableYou *will* be lynched tomorrow. The only decision this town has to make is between Chezinu and Alakaslam. Considering Chezinu flipflopped his vote, and Slam stayed true. Nothing has changed. Holyflare, Onegu, ChezinuIts just a matter of waiting out the required cycles. *TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK* HF writes this when we're full steam ahead on onegu (post-cora's "night check"): Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum?
If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy?
If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all.
Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway?
Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy.
Tl:dr
Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu. i think this post is pretty damning because he writes it at a time when he didn't think he'd be on the chopping block. HF realized cora's cop claim was fake (probably because the "town" in (town investigator) didn't match the scum team's own fake cop claim). if onegu was town, there was absolutely no reason for him to defend onegu, because if we mislynched onegu, scum would have won. and if somehow the game lasted another day, corazon would be in hot water for his fake claim and scum would be set up to push another mislynch. so really there was zero incentive for HF to prove cora's claim was fake. i also don't put much stake in onegu's pages of written notes (sorry onegu  ). to be quite frank, i think i'd be more inclined to take notes as scum than town to keep track of all my running lies!! as mocsta has said, BAM BAM!! i think we are over thinking this one. what we need to focus on is if we are sure mocsta is town and slam is the last scum. Also, you've sold me on Onegu. Let's make it happen. ##Vote: OneguI agree that, given Onegu flips town, finding the last scum between Mocsta and Slam is nontrivial. I'm having a hard time deciding what to base that call on. Slam hasn't really done anything to establish his towniness, whereas at least Mocsta has been quite active and has ostensibly been playing 'pro-town'. And Rean's play has been covered. On the other hand, the night kills point towards Mocsta being scum than Slam. Also, ever since Cora and I voiced suspicions of him today, he went even more spazztic than usual, jumping around from person to person, calling nearly everybody scum except you. It's suspicious to me. LOL. I am only looking at 3 people.
{Onegu, Slam, Sciberbia}.. Far from going spazztic.
Bereft
How are you buying this bullcrap? He says he agrees with you when both posts you quoted are items *I* put forth for discussion.
He thinks I am scum, yet blatantly agrees with your posts -- where you agree with me.
Its clear he is cuddling up to you.
If Sciberbia thinks Slam hasnt done anything to establish his townieness, why isnt he questioning him and pushing the thread?
Why is the thread dead when I am not here; yet, when I try and move the thread forward... lurkers like him that should have been posting content then want to call me scum.
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On December 02 2013 08:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
You're looking at Onegu/Slam/Sciberia but you don't want to lynch Onegu and you wanted to lynch me earlier?
You think Onegu is scum, you've said it at least 3 times. Now an Onegu lynch is on a silver platter and you don't want to take it? Why?
My vote is on onegu.
After speaking with him yesterday I firmed my read. What's the problem.
Bereft and me are the only two that are paranoid if losing the game. How the fuck is that scummy.
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On December 02 2013 08:18 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 08:07 Mocsta wrote:On December 01 2013 20:08 Mocsta wrote:
Back on a comp now, and about to start filter diving.
Holyflare first + some VCA + I have to double check if Corazon maintained his ##no-lynch to deadline (because in my memory he swapped to Rayn). If his ##no-lynch was maintained, this looks pretty bad as he has never voted with town for all finished lynches.
On December 02 2013 06:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
The bold is a complete lie. I voted for JJD. Why did you blatantly lie Mocsta? Were you expecting town not to look at the votecounts? Why are you throwing lies and shit accusations everywhere? Someone is confirmation biased. *I* pasted the votecounts for all 3 days. Did I comment on this in the VCA which followed after this. *No* Because double-check showed it was wrong. Jesus Christ.. this game is lost because after Onegu you are just going to tunnel me and listen to no one. And because its majority lynch, you have all the power. You said your double check was about the Rayn lynch and then made a statement that conveniently had nothing to do with the JJD lynch. The second sentence has the first part a true fact (that I no-lynched D1) followed up by a conclusion that was a blatant lie. If you had said that you were going to check the JJD lynch, then it would've been alright. But since you didn't, it is you throwing lies around.
Lol. I didn't even remember you were on the jjd lynch. I thought you were against it.
What's the point.
Ultimately when thebfacts were presented by vca it wasn't discussed anymore.
Anything else was musings.
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Bereft
I was away for 2 days.
My original thoughts coming back were why the fuck is no one talking
So I injected musings
As I firm up my thoughts via vca and looking at holy I became firm on onegu.
What's the issue here?
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On December 02 2013 09:16 Bereft wrote:
the issue is that you don't sound like a paranoid, confused townie. you sound like you are pushing an agenda. I believe you referred to scib as licking my balls and cuddling up to me. the word choice seems to me more indicative of someone trying to plant doubt than someone questioning assumptions and generating discussion. it raises a red flag is all.
do you still think onegu is irrefutably scum? do you think scib is more likely to be scum than slam?
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Yes, I am confident Onegu is scum. My vote has not waivered either??
My main issue with Slam is the timing of his votes/posts. They are quite opportune in hindsight.
My main issue with Scibs is the lack of drive he is injecting into the thread + the NKs. I can't fathom how he thinks the NKs implicate me.. especially when considering that Corazon had a strong enough town read on Sciberbia to warrant a fake-claim town read. Scib should have been shot instead of Thrawn, and certainly instead of Chezinu.
I am leaning Sciberbia over Slam.. but need to see Slam respond to the two questions asked of him recently as well.
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How is using colour language raising a red flag?
The important thing is whether you can understand my PoV - not necessarily whether you agree.
If you can understand my PoV then I am certainly not planting doubt and am in fact generating discussion.
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