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Also, @ObviousOne, gotta admit, that's some damn fine flavor on the roleblocker fakeclaim.
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On December 03 2013 12:20 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote:What I'm trying to say is: Blame the others for my behavior this game. I was ridiculously frustrated w/ the decision to lynch JJD over Onegu. Why is this: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum More convincing than this: On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. If Thrawn had a thought-out and convincing argument for JJD, I wouldn't be mad. But that is far from the case. I put in more effort to make a case that is 100000 times better than what Thrawn wrote. Why did town listen to Thrawn and not me? This is still a point and this needs to be brought up again. This town sheeped way too much and didn't even listen to a good argument. No one read this case until I asked them too. No one tried to poke holes in it. They all just nodded and said we could lynch Onegu until thrawn said "JJD is scum lynch him" and everyone bows down to him and says "OMG THRAWN U R THE GREATEST MAFIA PLAYER EVAR OFC WE WILL LYNCH JJD"
...Corazon, what you've said might be true of the other players in this thread, I don't know what they did. I can only speak for myself.
I read your Onegu case. I went and read Onegu's posts for myself. I went and read JarJar's posts for myself. Then I decided that JJD was the lynch more likely to flip scum. As it turns out, neither of them would have done so.
I appreciate the effort you put into your case on Onegu, but putting effort in doesn't automatically make you right. Nor does it mean everyone should automatically sheep whoever puts the most effort into their cases (if that was the case, we'd have sheeped Onegu's cases. Can't say I agreed with them either, but there was an assload of effort involved there.)
To play this game you have to understand that other people do not think the same way as you and may disagree with you, even if they do not choose to or are unable to post exactly why they disagree with you.
EDIT: To be clear, I didn't sheep Thrawn - I made my own judgement. Just as I made my own judgement about your case.
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I promise i will never be this bad in a mafia game ever.
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On December 03 2013 12:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
How am I supposed to feel when that happens?
it's not about feelings. it's about your wincon. if you're town that means it's about who is scum and who is not. in that scenario you referred to, neither of us were correct.
injecting your emotions into the game, especially when they are negative can only decrease the quality of yours and everyone else's logic
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On December 03 2013 12:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
How am I supposed to feel when that happens? it's not about feelings. it's about your wincon. if you're town that means it's about who is scum and who is not. in that scenario you referred to, neither of us were correct. injecting your emotions into the game, especially when they are negative can only decrease the quality of yours and everyone else's logic
The only person who is allowed to fakeclaim and post with emotion is Chezinu! Cause yeah!
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On December 03 2013 12:29 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:20 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 02 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote:What I'm trying to say is: Blame the others for my behavior this game. I was ridiculously frustrated w/ the decision to lynch JJD over Onegu. Why is this: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum More convincing than this: On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Why Onegu is scum and needs to die:I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 21:00 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote:
I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me....
Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 03:59 Onegu wrote:Dont talk about ongoing games. Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler +On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote:On November 21 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:
Rayn my gut is getting a little tingle from you as I am reading... @OneguCould you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler +[Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.]
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. If Thrawn had a thought-out and convincing argument for JJD, I wouldn't be mad. But that is far from the case. I put in more effort to make a case that is 100000 times better than what Thrawn wrote. Why did town listen to Thrawn and not me? This is still a point and this needs to be brought up again. This town sheeped way too much and didn't even listen to a good argument. No one read this case until I asked them too. No one tried to poke holes in it. They all just nodded and said we could lynch Onegu until thrawn said "JJD is scum lynch him" and everyone bows down to him and says "OMG THRAWN U R THE GREATEST MAFIA PLAYER EVAR OFC WE WILL LYNCH JJD" ...Corazon, what you've said might be true of the other players in this thread, I don't know what they did. I can only speak for myself. I read your Onegu case. I went and read Onegu's posts for myself. I went and read JarJar's posts for myself. Then I decided that JJD was the lynch more likely to flip scum. As it turns out, neither of them would have done so. I appreciate the effort you put into your case on Onegu, but putting effort in doesn't automatically make you right. Nor does it mean everyone should automatically sheep whoever puts the most effort into their cases (if that was the case, we'd have sheeped Onegu's cases. Can't say I agreed with them either, but there was an assload of effort involved there.) To play this game you have to understand that other people do not think the same way as you and may disagree with you, even if they do not choose to or are unable to post exactly why they disagree with you.
"Hey Cora, I disagree with you on this, this, and this point. I really don't think that this case is enough to convince me"
If I had received a reply that my case was off or bad or wrong in any way I would not have reacted the way I did. However, all I received was.
"I agree with you Corazon, I'm going to wait until Onegu's Mocsta case to see who I'm going to vote for"
Onegu then made a terrible case that both Mocsta and I refuted, and then thrawn comes in and writes 3 sentences about how JJD is scum and then everyone votes for him.
Everyone agreed with my case and then didn't vote Onegu. That doesn't make sense and after JJD's flip I was pretty incensed for this reason. Onegu was a 100x better lynch than JJD and I proved it. Everyone agreed and then they lied to me when they said they thought he was scummy.
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On December 03 2013 12:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
How am I supposed to feel when that happens? it's not about feelings. it's about your wincon. if you're town that means it's about who is scum and who is not. in that scenario you referred to, neither of us were correct. injecting your emotions into the game, especially when they are negative can only decrease the quality of yours and everyone else's logic
Since the town decided they didn't want to listen to me I decided I didn't want to listen to the town. It's not very emotional, it's just treating others the way you are treated.
So next time I want to lynch someone, I'll just write 3 lines and vote for them. Thx for the advice.
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oh btw, my second role was...
Original Message From GMarshal:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mafia you are Unizehc the Undercover Analyst. Due to your vast array of skills and intelligence, you have been chosen to lead the super secret analysis team. However you won't know who your team is, try to write the best analysis you can and provide the greatest insight ever. You win if the Eternium Dragon doesn't devour the sun.
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I agree with you that Onegu's case on Mocsta was terrible (by which I mean it proved nothing about Mocsta), but there were some other posts he made towards the end of D2 (IIRC) which made me question my scumread of him. It was a feeling and as such very difficult to express in the thread but I decided I didn't want to lynch him based on those posts.
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On November 16 2013 02:48 GMarshal wrote:
7.) Have fun. This is a game, the point is to enjoy yourself, so by all means, roleplay to your hearts content, lynch mafia, kill townies, chat, enjoy yourselves there is no point in stressing out over a game.
Mission accomplished.
I roleplayed my role the rising star, the undercover analyst, and my pregame talk.
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On December 03 2013 12:39 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 02:48 GMarshal wrote:
7.) Have fun. This is a game, the point is to enjoy yourself, so by all means, roleplay to your hearts content, lynch mafia, kill townies, chat, enjoy yourselves there is no point in stressing out over a game. Mission accomplished. I roleplayed my role the rising star, the undercover analyst, and my pregame talk.
Flawless victory
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On December 03 2013 12:38 Aquanim wrote:
I agree with you that Onegu's case on Mocsta was terrible (by which I mean it proved nothing about Mocsta), but there were some other posts he made towards the end of D2 (IIRC) which made me question my scumread of him. It was a feeling and as such very difficult to express in the thread but I decided I didn't want to lynch him based on those posts.
Well saying that postgame helps so much doesn't it
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Also, Corazon, are you claiming Onegu was a better lynch than Holyflare the next day?
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Also thank you to all replacements for heeding the call.
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On December 03 2013 12:41 Aquanim wrote:
Also, Corazon, are you claiming Onegu was a better lynch than Holyflare the next day?
My pride says yes
My head says no
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Slam, you were right in the scum qt. I would have known if you would have switched votes to save HF -- good play. The truth is I was being selfish. We both knew if the other die, the other would get lynched since we both replaced. That was a good argument you made early in the thread. Despite you copying my replacement methods to act as town, I chose the brown. So, I decided to ignore you at first and live til it was time for me to die after the Day of The Brown.
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Was cDgCorazon the dragon? Because you can rearrange the letters of his name to spell dragon?
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Police Marshal, Are you going to reveal the secret police talks with the self-proclaimed godfather? Who is the sun? Who is the Eternium Dragon? Is Chezinu's second role true?!??! PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!
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corazon.... please take a step back from this and realize the following
We are arguing about if town should have listened to me and lynched a townie, or listened to you and lynched a townie! Neither of those options align with our alignment's win condition!
+ Show Spoiler +While we're on the subject I'm going to say my piece then I won't talk about it again, because as I just stated, this is a pointless argument. You are mistaking town going "no we don't want to lynch ongeu" with town going "we are ignoring you." Nobody ignored your Onegu cases. Maybe people did initially in a "tldr" fashion, but people usually go back and read things they skip the first time. I read your Onegu case. I agreed with what you said. That doesn't mean that Onegu must become my top scumread. I can have my own scumreads! When you say that we bullied you, what actually happened is that nobody agreed that Onegu was the top lynch candidate. That's all! Nobody wrote "fuck you corazon you're a fucking idiot" and nobody wrote "hey guys lets all make fun of corazon!" That isn't what happened at all.
Done with that
As I mentioned at the start of this post... the "conflict" that you imagined happening between us is irrelevant because neither of us had correct reads. The only part of that which might be relevant to improvement is how to to convince the town of your opinions when you *are* correct. We can talk about that all day, but talking about our "feelings" and how someone may have "been bullied" doesn't help anyone.
If your argument holds merit, you do not need to...... SVENGALI (green, because town can also maliciously manipulate others in order to get their point across, example = fake cop claiming) people into agreeing with you. If you can distill your argument to as few words as possible so that the argument doesn't lose it's bite then it will be easier for people to process, it will stick in their minds the way a soundbite does, it saves everyone's time, and makes the thread less complicated. Do those kinds of things instead of making the lynch about your feelings because once you do that, you start losing credibility even if people still think you are town.
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Cora, you base your hate on people sheeping someone talking about someone else but your first instinct was to hate them for it and try to make people listen to you or you actively throw the game inatead of question why they would do that. What if the person who deviated to jjd was scum, you wouldn't analyse that play because of the hot headedness.
Chezinu, while you may have pinned the scum team down at the end of the day you were also town and if you didn't actively point them in the right direction (i was obviously scum -.-) then it's not always the best thing to do, especially as you were an active mislynch for the next day.
Also lol @bereft who called my flavour bad, it was written by mods :D!
Inactivity played a major part in this game as well as arguments, people that were appearing to contribute but also being lurky at the same time slam/scibs should have been likely suspects because of the NK's. Slam feared chezinu all game, chezinu was a next day potential mislynch. Nobody really went into details on why that kill made sense. Thrawn and aqua kills would only come from someone actively reading the thread to know what was happening and so someone active should have been looked at.
In an argument like cora/mocsta someone who posts every so often with stuff that doesn't really add to much (scibs) should add suspicion. If town didn't actively policy lynch someone they all "thiught was town" then this game could have gone in a seriously different manner. There are mods to pm, end game to discuss things like that. To lynch someone people called town just because they got in an argument with is ridiculous, especially as you have double standards re:cora.
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