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BloodyC0bbler
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On November 21 2013 14:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey what do you think of Supersoft BC? He has done nothing that has suggested hes scum to me. Talking to him for two days and he hasn't attempted anything to me that screams scum. I still think hes firmly town. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:25 Mig wrote: I do not have another shot. I wanted you dead but I didnt want to waste a bullet if artanis was shooting you. For one thing I didnt even know for sure mafia had a rber. Or if they did maybe they are confused by the hf claim. Why would I paste my case and why I find you so supicious earlier in the day then make a post like that if I really didnt want to kill you? WIFOM Also, given that I have called HF scum, and he was masoned to artanis, hey, mafia wouldn't be confused by the claim. But hey, thats just me thinkin here | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:31 Mig wrote: BC the fact still is I would never claim the vig shot as mafia. I jus wouldnt. You can claim that you would claim with any role for no reason but that isnt me. You have played with me enough times you should know I make my plays based on logic. I have never fake claimed. I really dont do crazy shit. Look through any of my games. To use this exact point well, against you. You know that your plays rely on logic. You know that as mafia the town is less likely to think a vig claim is a scum fake claiming. You would know that most people wouldn't expect you to do so. Thus the most logical thing to do IS CLAIM. Why? because aside from me who didn't believe you? Seems a logical call to me to have near everyone think you auto town. | ||
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Supersoft, VE, coag, koshi, pandain, thrawn (although I did accuse hiro). Dont believe I called cheese scum, coag, stutters. Pretty sure theres at least one or two more. So, I love that you tried to suggest I have called everyone it, but I clearly havent | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:34 Mig wrote: BC how are you so sure I am scum lol. Like you cant even consider the possibility you are wrong. Dude your main point on me in your largest case post was that balance dictates I am scum or austin is and you like austin as town more. You had the same reads I did day 1 on grack and storr, you even agreed with them. You then proceed to shoot sharrant? You then the next day say you were going to shoot me but artanis claimed it so you swapped your shot to someone else thats lurkery and useless and provides no information? Theres enough there in your filter that justifies my read. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:36 Mig wrote: The answer is you are scum so you dont have to look at this reasonably to see if I am actually town or not. You are just trying to smear me with complete conjecture. The exact same thing you did to grack earlier. conjecture? I even summarized gracks play. Hell I even asked people to name 5 useful contributions hes done this game and I haven't seen anyone even reply to that. The guy actively lies in thread. He actively trolls. Hell you even thought he was town. What did he do to change your mind? Ignore mocstas flip for the purpose of this thought process. What have his actions done at any point to prove hes town? His lies? His trolling? His actively fucking with the thread and make it retarded to read? I am saying outright You voted me day 1 because my scum reads were storr/grack on the grounds I was going to off one You then proceed to shoot sharrant. You had less than 3 full pages of filter by the end of day 2. You created 3.5 pages over n2. In that period you state a case on me using balance as your reason, proceed to say you were going to shoot me but artanis claimed he was going to. Admitted you thought artanis was going to be roleblocked, admitted you thought you were going to die, then proceed to fucking shoot a lurker. There is no fucking way a town member does these actions. No fucking way whatsoever. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:39 Holyflare wrote: He killed your top scum read BC, yet your first response is: WHY DO WE BELIEVE MIGS CLAIM OMG HE IS SCUM? I don't think so. No those are my top 3. Anyone all game would realize ive pushed grack since day 1 and is obviously my #1 on my list. Nice try tho scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:51 Holyflare wrote: Not sure logic applies here. If you're calling me scum, then I'd know that artanis is shooting you. So why if you are town would I get scum to roleblock to save you.................? Waste a vig bullet and kill a town member? Use brain plox. because im most likely to be lynched today. Hell I realize I am likely going to be lynched today. I realize I have played like dogshit because near everyone in this game thinks im scum. Obviously my townplay needs work and I haven't learned enough from LXI than I had hoped. Regardless if I am going to die at least I should attempt to take scum with me no? Also killing a vig with a bullet in the chamber to force a misslynch on town + someone people view as a vet is a good call. im playing like ass right now. Getting me lynched before I stop sucking benefits mafia more than letting a vig shoot me. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:51 Mig wrote: BC I showed why your case against Grack was complete bs and untrue. I didnt shoot grack because he helped lynch Mocsta and anyone who read Storrs posts n1 saw he was much more likely to be town. See my reads change based on new information that comes up because I dont know peoples alignments. Unlike you where you just tunnel grack endlessly. Anyway I am going to bed. If you are town I can only shake my head at your refusal to listen to reason. If you are mafia I applaud the effort. So you didn't shoot grack n1 because he helped lynch a guy who flipped scum until after you selected your shot. You also had storr as mafia in your notes until he flipped. Trust me I do recognize I was tunneling grack. I partially still am as I think hes scum. I realize nothing I say will convince anyone otherwise so aside from saying hes scum theres no point pushing. When a town member is allowed to lie, troll and otherwise do dick all for the entire game who am I to tell people thats not town behaviour. Who cares if he was pushing a mocsta lynch day 1. Is grack a player who would never push his own teammate day 1? What you have currently said has not persuaded me at all that you are town. Your entire case built in thread on me is balance talk. I am not saying you never said I looked bad, but be realistic the case you built is balance and not believing I was angry in a post. Wow, Im so glad your logical arguments on cases are dem mazing shiz yo. | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:08 Hopeless1der wrote: That's insufficient to lynch someone. Like Risen 'policying' grack. Shut the fuck up and find mafia. "wah ss/bc/mig have to be mafia because marv is a big meanie-face" Cool story bro. How bout some motive to back that up with? There are still 5 mafia alive, and still I have yet to see anyone comment on my case on Pandain, aside from Oats being a dick. I explicitly asked SS two or three times and have got nothing. This game is a fucking farce. BC has spent his last couple days being angry at town and explaining how there is no way mig is town vet because "balance" and "logic". Stop gaming the setup. His arguments for mig shooting a lurker over shooting BC are trash imo. That's what vig shots are for, to clear out the unknowns that you are unwilling to lynch. BC is absolutely a viable lynch and I want him dead. Whether that is through Vayne or not remains to be seen, but one way or another I want BC's flip today. How is it that it is fine for mig to use balance as a reason to justify why I must be red when its wrong for me to use balance to justify there must be 1 scum within 4 kp claimants? Then to take that scum and point out that two days in a row he opted to not shoot his top scum read, and instead shoot into a lurker pile giving 0 information off the kills? You're right, all im doing is gaming the setup. I didnt point out that mig opted to not shoot his top scum read day 1. hell I didn't even point out his only case post on me was balance speculation that I had to be red. Hell, I didn't even point out that the guy said he thought he was gonna die, and that the guy who claimed he was going to shoot me was likely going to be roleblocked (he said 99% sure of this) and instead of shooting his top scum read again he shoots a rando lurker. You're right, thats gaming the system. Its standard policy for town to look at the thread go "man im 100% sure that guy is red so ima shoot someone else for lulsies" | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) You're both wrong. You look worse based on how you go about doing things 2) That is, in my opinion, how vig shots SHOULD be allocated. Good for you Mig. 3) I never said that trying to game the setup was ALL you did. I specifically address your argument that Mig should have been shooting you and not Mattchew(or some other lurker). Get lynched scum. So you are advocating that if someone is 100% sure on someone being red and wants them to die, that not killing them is ideal play? Got yea, found scum #2 of the day. | ||
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A) im not even playing or B) when im third party Every now and again Ill have surges of brilliance where I will pin people fast and hard. But the fact of the matter is with the new crew of players that play now I can't analyze them for shit. The current skills I have for analysis don't apparently apply to this forum anymore. When I played at my prime a trolly chez was usually someone you could quickly differentiate as being useful or not and then kill him with whatever means and he'd flip whatever he was playing. Was he trolling? Yes but it clearly pushed one sides agendas over another. In this game I am being told active trolling, regardless of actions, are a town tell. Before anyone disagree's with me. The only reason none of you want to off grack is because he almost got mocsta killed day 1. You asked in one of your newer posts, put everything on the bloody table. Does grack still seem town? Hell, I even put all of mig's actions on the table and got flamed for it. Austin you honestly seem pretty legit right now and aside from the fact you are trying to persuade people not voting for me to vote for me you have your head on straight. I've spent part of the last day just trying to cool down and slowly work through filters. My scum reads haven't really changed. As terrible as that sounds my reads really haven't changed horrifically. I still have grack, hopeless, and holy as scum reads. I can easily see thrawn being scum. Aside from a really strong early game start he really hasn't done too much. I have already said why Mig could easily be scum. His play as town doesn't line up as the logical person he says he is. Supersoft and pandain are clearly town to me, coag, rayn and you austin are likely town as well. Koshi could go either way. Aside from that most people have been utterly useless. Ive attempted to contribute and been essentially told to fuck off each time. Do you know how frustrating it is to post something that I know is fucking logical and be told im wrong for no reasons? Yes i know my meta grack/mocsta stuff was bad but I was seriously tunnel visioned. We then have a ton of people who randomly pipe in and dont do anything but vote and peace out. This entire game is one of the most pro mafia environments i've ever seen and its no wonder that we as a town are going to lose this game unless we stop being retards. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what has Pandain done to make you think he is town? played exactly like the town pandain I remember from ages ago? He's not done anything super amazing yet hes not done anything obviously scummy. A normal town pandain from when I used to play a ton fits his current play to a T. Hes semi active, attempting to contribute and sometimes it looks good sometimes it doesnt. Hes not trying to push any, imo, obviously scummy agendas, and he seemed legit with everything he posted in the qt yesterday. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: BC how do you feel about risen? If it doesn't look like me/grack will be lynched are you going to change your vote? Like regardless of whether you are going to be lynched or not you still have a large influence on the game. If you are town then help out. Why would I change my vote? You to me openly claimed scum in thread, and i think grack is still mafia. Given you two are my top two reads my votes stay where they are. If thread sentiment was moving to a combination of my 5 top reads, sure id swap to ensure they died, however as the current sentiment is to kill off a bunch of people I think are town and me, why would i swap. Risen I have a null read on. He could go either way. I am aware I can have a large impact its kinda why I tried to cool off and return with a more clear head. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:14 Mig wrote: I really don't get the sense you are actually looking for mafia honestly. I see you writing 4 paragraphs about how you are a bad town. Like you don't ask anyone questions you aren't searching for any information at all. You literally do not even consider any possibility that I could be town. In the SS chats with you it really looked like SS was doing most of the contributing. I just don't see someone who is actually trying. You tunnelled grack literally the ENTIRE game. When he helped lynch mocsta it didn't change your read at all you still thought he was 100% scum All of this looks to me like someone who already knows alignments and has their opinions set in stone. My opinions rarely change once I set them. And why would I think you are town? You seem to refuse to believe the same thing of me. I already outlined why I think you are scum dude. Your case on me is game setup based your actions as a vig given your public reads don't match your reads. as for my level of effort. Its going to wane. Have virtually everyone tell your bad ends up stiffling most wants to try hard. Sorry that my play isn't what you expected. How we play obviously differs. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:20 Mig wrote: I look at your GoT game and I know you are someone who can contribute to the town if you want to. You just don't seem to want to . which game? | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Anyone that thinks what BC is doing is town is pathetic at this game. His "reads" aren't reads, it's 2 "cases" and 2 random names. The only ones he thinks he has reasoning for are mig and grack, where do mine and hopeless' names fit in? They don't, it's 2 random names from his aggressive post that called us lurkers and not contributing. That has clearly changed for me since then and slightly for hopeless but he still maintains the same reads with no reasoning whatsoever. His attitude is completely defeatist and he is most definitely not town. What have you done lately? You sheep other peoples reads quite well, you also would have known of artanis' true shot given you were masoned with him and were willing to fake claim for him. I know I'm town, I know that two people who claimed they were going to shoot me didn't. One claimed after deadline he wasn't firing at me, and given at the time you knew who he was likely going to shoot you as scum could easily manipulate the situation with a block / shot. Aside from that what have you done? You spent part of day 1 defending my top scum read (red flag) youve argued repeatedly with Rayn, adding to the clutter of the thread. These arguments are usually pointless. (red flag) You needed to be prodded into contributing repeatedly(red flag) You jump consistently on people already viewed as scum(red flag) you opted to ignore your top scum read and vote elsewhere and had to be convinced to change your vote d2 (red flag) you claim to be contributing but you have spent most of the game tunneling me.(red flag) You essentially let a lie out of a player slide(red flag) Honestly your filter looks as garbage as my own and yet here we stand with me as a lynch target and people thinking your town. | ||
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Why do I bring this up? Because holy is desperately trying to justify any reasoning he can find to vote for pandain. First he is saying that Pandain fake claimed (he never claimed in thread). Claiming a power role to a mason you do or dont have can easily be used as a method to gauge if they are town or not based on reaction. However pandain is calling ss's claim of him a lie. Next he tries to justify that pandain must be a tracker because his suspicion of BH after n1. Guess what? Everyone was suspicious of BH. Most people because of a clear fucking lie of a tracker claim. He also in this bit uses a post of pandains that says its impossible for bh to be a tracker when 3 minutes later he even states it is highly unlikely. Why bother with this you ask? Because he spent basically 2 fucking hours arguing the bits of a role to justify his read of a player to find out his reasoning was wrong cluttering the damn thread. | ||
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On November 23 2013 03:03 Mig wrote: Oh and I forgot he calls me scummy for shooting mattchew when he yelled about how mattchew was useless and listed him as one of his top scum reads. Terrific. Mig. If you want me off your cock and think your town. Give me a reasonable answer on this. After you tell me you are logical and don't do crazy plays answer me this. Why would you knowing that artanis was likely going to be rbed opt to not shoot your top scum read. Now keep this in mind, you opted to not shoot your top scum read twice. Why? Tell me in a reasonable logical way why you two nights in a row opted to ignore your top scum read and shoot into the lurker pool. That is my biggest issue with you right now and I've failed to see a solid response explaining your actions. You shooting someone I suspect doesn't make you look better in my eyes when I know from your own responses who your top reads are. | ||
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