Witchcraft Mini Mafia II

On November 01 2013 07:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Noire II as in LXII?
The sequel to one of the biggest most awful townfails of all time?

On November 03 2013 20:58 Ange777 wrote:


That's another bad pun ...

On November 03 2013 21:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Um...
Laning!
Jungle....teamfight?
Am I doing it right?

On November 04 2013 06:29 hzflank wrote:
More so than usual, anyone on a witch-hunt is scum.

On November 04 2013 06:37 hzflank wrote:
You may call me Sir. And I'm grumpy. I am a good guy at heart so this game is lose/lose for me, either scum or a witch ;(

On November 04 2013 06:49 hzflank wrote:
I would prefer to lynch the shiftiest player.

On November 04 2013 07:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
wait rayn is in this? fml

On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day.

On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw.

On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:


Can you refer me to what you're referring to?

##unvote hello rayn

On November 04 2013 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.

On November 04 2013 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey WoS, I think your vote was pretty dodgy, do you have any idea why I might be thinking that?



uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern."

On November 04 2013 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:


If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself?

I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them.

On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:

OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw.
WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative.
Care to respond?

Thrawn, your latest post:
Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often.

On November 04 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

Have you ever seen scum-me?
And thread control based on first post?
And 'giving it up' to Umasi?

Like....I think I sort of follow your thought process maybe but that's a really weird way of explaining it. Why would you think I'd have to establish control of the thread in my first post? Do any of my first posts as town accomplish this? How does sheeping Umasi remove any credibility I may or may not have?

On November 04 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you want to know, i can answer.

On November 04 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want to know what the hell does this have to do with Vayne and why?
Afaik WoS has not been scum since Les.

On November 04 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p

On November 04 2013 20:59 Sylencia wrote:
My guess is that OO misread Vanesco as Vayne(sco)

On November 05 2013 02:39 Vanesco wrote:
I don't like how WoS has been only on my case from basically the start of the game and his inconsistencies so far. He even points out to me not to talk about any games still going on but when Echelon does so here in direct response to WoS, he doesn't even mention it. These inconsistencies pop up many times in his play. He keeps on talking about the out I took from him when I even address that it was from Echelon and I disagree with him, yet he persist that it is because of his out. WoS says that "activity is not [his] only defense", however when you are confused why people would put suspicion on you you just say that you think your performance is decent and that you have a large filter. If somebody doesn't agree with your performance (which is why you might be on their scum list) then the only defense that's left is your filter. Overall I am leaning slightly scummy.

I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them.


This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far.

My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game.

On November 05 2013 02:52 WaveofShadow wrote:

Gumshoe's entrance is solid. I mean, he's wrong, but it's at least everything you want to see from a townie.
Sn0 I'm pretty meh on. I was trying to encourage him to contribute something on a topic he seemed to feel something about but he didn't really offer much.

On November 05 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

Have you played with him before?
I have a cursory townread on him based on our coming up with similar thoughts around the same time re: Vanesco.

On November 05 2013 03:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
ET felt transparently scum last game in the later stages of D1. I'm not in a rush to lynch him until I see that stuff again.

On November 05 2013 03:35 Vanesco wrote:
Sure OO. Echelon has stated how he disagrees with the strategy by hz and later on agrees on my point about the strategy that hz posted can be used against town. The strategy post he makes later on I am actually fine with (claiming roles when there are no blue able to be voted in) because at this point scum cannot use the vigi shot against the blues. To me it seems like there is no downside which is why I am fine with that type of strategy post. I also like how he just calms down the argument between hz, WoS, Onegu since it seems like scum would want more useless arguments happening in the game and would have just let it continue. He hasn't really offered much of his reads so far in the game but I do think that what he has done so far seems more in favor of town play then scum play.

As I have mentioned before, after Syl's first response to me I didn't really see anything scummy in it and so I put him back in null.

This is what makes me lean from null to slightly town. Even tho I show a clear flaw in the plan he still sticks to it and if I'm understanding him correctly, it seems that had I not pointed out the flaw it would have been a greater benefit for town than for scum. Although I disagree with the idea, he doesn't change his case even after evidence has been shown why it might be a bad idea and isn't afraid to stand by his motion.

Everybody that I have not mentioned I have a null read on.

On November 05 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to vote for OO if he does not answer me about his question regarding Vayne and Les. I think i was being pretty clear in what i said and why does it matter.

On November 05 2013 01:03 ObviousOne wrote:

No. It was his interactions with Vayne in that game that clued me in, that's all. No mystery here.

On November 05 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What does that mean? You read the game and thought WoS is scum because of his interactions with Vayne or what?

On November 05 2013 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:

Yes

On November 05 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
OO's awful paranoid or something.

Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard.

Thoughts?

On November 05 2013 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.

On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol.

On November 04 2013 15:06 Vanesco wrote:
So it seems that from all this negative feedback on me not voting that after thinking somebody is very scummy a vote is typical action. From my POV it seemed better not to vote because I don't like lurkers to just get a free ride by latching on, but after seeing the responses I have to agree with most of them and it was a bad play by me. Therefore:
##Vote: Umasi

On November 04 2013 15:50 Vanesco wrote:

Well I agree with the reasoning which is why I decided to vote. Also since many people commented on it, it seems like a fairly normal thing to do on TL mafia and since I plan on playing many more games, it would be foolish not to adapt. Overall, regardless whether I was voting for him or not, I still stand by Umasi being one of my scum reads.

On November 05 2013 03:35 Vanesco wrote:
Sure OO. Echelon has stated how he disagrees with the strategy by hz and later on agrees on my point about the strategy that hz posted can be used against town. The strategy post he makes later on I am actually fine with (claiming roles when there are no blue able to be voted in) because at this point scum cannot use the vigi shot against the blues. To me it seems like there is no downside which is why I am fine with that type of strategy post. I also like how he just calms down the argument between hz, WoS, Onegu since it seems like scum would want more useless arguments happening in the game and would have just let it continue. He hasn't really offered much of his reads so far in the game but I do think that what he has done so far seems more in favor of town play then scum play.

As I have mentioned before, after Syl's first response to me I didn't really see anything scummy in it and so I put him back in null.

This is what makes me lean from null to slightly town. Even tho I show a clear flaw in the plan he still sticks to it and if I'm understanding him correctly, it seems that had I not pointed out the flaw it would have been a greater benefit for town than for scum. Although I disagree with the idea, he doesn't change his case even after evidence has been shown why it might be a bad idea and isn't afraid to stand by his motion.

Everybody that I have not mentioned I have a null read on.

On November 05 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

You talkin' about me?

I really don't want to bother with more useless pressure on me---it's pretty obvious I'm not getting lynched today Cephiro, but I figure I at least should try and ask, though I'm not expecting much.
What gives?

Random question---thrawn, who is scum? A lot of poking/prodding from you but no conclusions.

On November 05 2013 10:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah

There's a good chance that I'm going to buddy you all game. That shouldn't be a big deal cuz we are both obv town right?

confirmed town circle now accepting applications

On November 05 2013 10:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh my bad you're already the only other guy on my "confirmed" town list

nevertheless, accepted

On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?

Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?

WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads.

On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn.

On November 05 2013 10:46 thrawn2112 wrote:


So you're saying that his play here doesn't look like his scum play? I have been saying that this doesn't look like town rayn and I think both of us are right. So throw all the meta out the window and judge his play based on this game only, you still think he's townie?

On November 05 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If you read the last page of my filter.. I was not lying regardless of my alignment.

On November 05 2013 10:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn is asking stupid stuff and his interaction with WoS early on was really weird. Also he misses stuff he should not miss imo.

After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too..

On November 05 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No i really mean it - read my last page of filter from ## game if you are curious.

On November 04 2013 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Starting from this game i will get mislynhed as town, probably a lot, because i will intentionally start playing worse.
I understand now what Vayne said in some game, when he said he does not give a shit if his target gets lynched or not, he just careas about if he is right or not in his reads. That's the approach i am going to take in these games from now on, as the convincing other people part has never worked with me. Expect unbelieveably bad and lurky play from me now on, even when i am confident i am right.

On November 05 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:


Even if you think that you should read it even for the 10%.

I admit there may be points (especially later on the case), where I am simply so sure in my read that they are a bit biased.

If you honestly think WoS is not scum and my case is horrible, then point it out. That's why I posted it. I want people to look at it and see my reasoning why I think WoS is scum. If you agree, great, let's lynch WoS and hope that I'm right.

If you don't agree, either tell me the flaws of my reasoning or provide me with a better target.

Preferably not the latter one, as at least half of the players in this game currently can be made a "wishywashycase" off. Almost no-one seems to commit...

---> Scum is under constant pressure, scum is also more likely to be inconsistent. Especially later in the game when you may able to force them into a situation where they are forced to choose the lesser of the two evils. Reactions in those moments tell a ton.

On November 05 2013 11:26 gumshoe wrote:
Ooh sorry that post earlier was meant as a response to Rayne XD. Cephiro what I got out of your Great Wall of china post is that I think your town, that level of investment and consideration from you and ironically WOS to a lesser degree makes it hard for me to consider either of you as scum. Your arguments are solid, but there's a bit of confirmation bias there, ie it seems like you saw a few shitty things there and are now viewing all his posts in red. Ask me to make a case on anyone here, I can and will because narrative is a powerful tool that binds both fact and fiction and it's quite easy to conjure up. A good narrative can also be self deceiving ) : I've learnt that just this Saturday in fact : p. Wos actions, which he himself has admitted have been somewhat shifty, are enough to make him 15 percent mafia in my eyes, higher than normal, but not yet worth the risk of his deaths blowback and the absence of his voice, which may yet be crucial in securing votes at the very least..

I suggest rather taking a gander at the rats that scurried out right after my case, sno oo and onegu, what do you feel regarding them? Oh and sorry all if my posting quality will be lower tonight, phones are hard.

On November 05 2013 11:28 gumshoe wrote:



I wanna lynch you so bad it hurts T-T

On November 05 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:


Your posting makes me want to growl at my dog, I love my dog ) : why are you doing this to me.

On November 05 2013 03:39 Sn0_Man wrote:

Yo I'm supposed to be a brainwashed religious acolyte. Original and thought provoking not really my thing hue

On November 05 2013 05:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Iunno i'll let the rest of the thread judge ur actions for themselves. Think I would lynch you though if I had to choose right now lol. Might just be blinded by omgus we'll see.

On November 05 2013 11:52 Cephiro wrote:


I am simply asking you to tell me who is scum and why. I'm certainly open to changing my opinion, but you are currently only giving me reasons for the exact opposite. Yet still I'm here, giving you a chance to share your reads with me and the thread, but you blatantly refuse. Tell the town why you think your scumreads are scum. Give us the reasons and the thoughts that made you think like that. If you continue to ignore this, reasonable request, I can't help but to assume you're a scum who doesn't want to give town anything to go by.

On November 05 2013 12:02 Cephiro wrote:


I see your point. And I do not expect my read to be right based on one example only. It was an example only to get my point across to you. It's more about the amount of things that would be incredibly convinient for scum that happen, and the reactions of WoS that are in strong contrast with his own opinions of how a townie should play the game.

Single thought processes of his could very well come from a townie yes, but looking at the whole history of his, I find it much more likely to be done from a scum perspective, for one reason alone the sheer amount of inconsistencies and his refusal to correct or address many of them.



Alright, I very well see your point. I certainly don't expect townies to play perfectly. I personally just consider it more likely for someone that is constant pressure about being caught in a lie to be inconsistent in their story (especially the longer the story becomes), rather than for a townie that is simply telling the story as his opinions move forward. (Basically for a honest townie, the only inconsistencies come from if he doesn't care about what he said earlier, or forgot and does a sudden change of mind without reasoning, which is rare in my opinion.)

Thank you for providing the reasoning behind your point though. I'm not saying I'm right or you're wrong, but we'll have agree to disagree on this one it seems.

At several points in the case (in my opinion), I provided good thoughts as for why the inconsistencies are especially scum-motivated. That can't be said for every point, as there are so many things to be considered ambigiously. But I tried my best to show why certain things are in my opinion clearly done from a mafia perspective.

On November 05 2013 12:16 Cephiro wrote:


That is true. It would be more pleasant and easier to tackle if it was formatted better. If town wants me to, I can try to re-format that post in it's whole. Otherwise I'll just try to make my next one look better if I get totally into the thought process like this time. Mainly the moment I finished that I just pressed enter and was like "Fuck yes all done, let's share this." Rather than "Time to make it look pretty and more convinient for everyone".

Thank you for the feedback. So what do you think about my case on WoS? Do you think it has enough valid points to lynch him today, or are you still thinking his play looks too towny to be lynched today, and would rather lynch someone else today?

(Rather than obviously wanting to lynch Sn0)

On November 05 2013 12:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I'm going to make this crystal clear right now.
I will not be around for deadline tomorrow. I may be around during my lunch hour but after tonight assume this will be the end of my activity for D1.
If people pull some shenannies and attempt to lynch me in that time, just know what it is you're doing exactly.

On November 05 2013 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

The issue I have with Sn0 is him basically refusing to contribute today. Would scum flat-out refuse to contribute when pressured? I guess it's possible but ugh.
I have mentioned I would be comfortable with any of those three getting lynched and if people absolutely won't switch to Onegu then maybe I will.

OO on the note of contribution, what has Umasi done that Sn0 hasn't? What are your thoughts on him atm?

On November 05 2013 12:43 WaveofShadow wrote:

/agreed.
Who thinks you're scum again this game? I froget.

On November 05 2013 12:47 Umasi wrote:

am I misunderstanding what you just said?
One of the things I dislike about Vanesco is his attempt to stop discussion about coven powers.
am I misinterpreting what you just wrote or did you misinterpret what I said?

second scum read=echelontee
third scum read=Sn0

Still watching rayn.

On November 05 2013 13:09 Sylencia wrote:


Has he done anything since last night to further strengthen your scum read on him? As I said before, I don't really agree with what he's said that much but I can see the train of thought behind it. The contributions which you've provided is just a weak case on Vanesco and continuing to push it.

That said, ET's filter looks pretty horrendous as it can be summed up as so:

Vanesco looks null to scummy because it didn't match Newbie Mafia L (weak)
thrawn posted a list of players who had posted but wasn't advocating lurker lynch (weak)

Nothing else has been said really...

Tbh at the moment ET's filter is really sticking out like a sore thumb to me the more I think about it, since the rest of his posts look like really weak attempts at looking townie :|

##vote EchelonTee

Continuing on to more reading...

On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.

On November 06 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey OO since you weren't here for lynch I'd like you to give us a rundown on how you think the lynch went down and what if any scum influence you think there might have been that caused it

On November 04 2013 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.

On November 06 2013 10:01 thrawn2112 wrote:


Can you explain what this is? Have you been doing whatever it is?

On November 05 2013 15:48 EchelonTee wrote:

I think this a pretty good point. Sn0 just seems "not here". He has had plenty of time to formulate opinions. His presence feels really floaty; it reminds me of scum players who skirt the edge; noticeable enough to not be called out for lurking, but not noticeable enough to be forced to give out concrete reads.

There is a promise to develop reads, but there is nothing shown in thread. It's understandable that Day 1 reads are not the best, but to me it feels like Sn0 is putting in absolutely no effort to provide legitimate reads.

I agree with other people's sentiments that this post is very strange. Sn0's post feels like one that is shrinking away. While it is true that some scum players are comfortable with arguing, the baseline idea is that scum have inherent guilt and would rather avoid confrontation.

I would be fine with a Sn0 lynch if Thrawn cannot happen.

On November 06 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
nah i'm cool on hzflank for now.. imo gumshoe was dead as soon as he made that last minute vote.

SO WoS what do you think about sylencia and obviousone? I think obviousone started out ok but he's not kept it up, and his latest contribution wasn't really a contribution, he just threw some names out (ceph/et) for other people to pick up on. I asked him to give his opinion on what happened during the lynch and that's the best he can come up with?

Apart from that group (syl/OO/rayn) there's nobody I can see being mafia, save maybe Onegu and I don't feel like looking into him will be all that useful until after he returns from afk-land.

Eh, there is also Umasi but I felt OK about his play in the hours leading up to the lynch.

On November 06 2013 13:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
What do you think about the lynch? What do you think went on during D1, what was the scum team up to?

On November 05 2013 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:


The list:

I was not making a list of who isn't lurking with the promise to attack lurkers. I wasn't even making a list of anti-lurkers. I was making a list of anyone who (including lurkers, obviously) wasn't committing to conversation. So the people not on the list includes both lurkers and people like yourself, who at the time I didn't feel like they'd done anything meaningful. The list even included some people who were borderline lurking but at least had made some type of impression on me. The only purpose of such a list is to hopefully intimidate people not on the list to dip their toes farther into the water.

Rayn vote:

If you've really gone through my town games like you appear to then you should see my rayn vote is very much like something I'd do. And you're wrong, I do give my reasoning and I do not regret having my vote on rayn. I think if you read all of my posts about rayn then you can see a clear progression of my read.

Everything else:

Sorry I just don't take the game seriously 100% of the time, especially when I'm bored.

LOL btw I looked at one of my cases you linked as evidence of how I can write a serious case, and one of my points against prom was that he wasn't being my friend. That whole post was kinda trollish, I'm kinda wondering why you used that as an example because there are probably a lot better ones to pick from. With you claiming to have done meta research on me yet you can't see my rayn vote coming from a town thrawn makes me think you went looking into my meta already knowing the outcome of your results.

On November 05 2013 17:52 EchelonTee wrote:

You said you would focus on them, but I don't see any focus on you.

I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now.

There might've been better examples but I'm not going to spend hours poring over your meta. I picked the first example I saw that looked like a real case. I don't see you making any real cases and your excuse is that you're bored. I don't know the point of trying harder if it's clear that you don't really care and are too bored to play. If you think I am scum, please state so instead of lightly insinuating it.

I'd like to know who you want to lynch, if you're not too bored to say something of use.

On November 06 2013 00:32 Vanesco wrote:
Ok, back (for an hour or so).
Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home.

On November 06 2013 11:57 Vanesco wrote:

Don't get me wrong thrawn, I'm not putting any blame on you. I just posted that it is very coincidental and should be taken note off. The fact that you think I'm blaming you I think is more to do with the fact that you probably expect some type of blame to be put on you because you were the first to post the voting bus on gumshoe and that I also gave you as my biggest scum read. I'll try to summarize my first post in much shorter words.

The vote seems rushed and rushed usually means a good time for scum to start jumping, therefore I feel like at least 1 vote should have come from scum. The interaction that took place should be noted off because of how coincidental it seems. Everybody who voted on gumshoe should give reasons why.

On November 06 2013 02:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
EXCEPT in frustration. Which is what I said.

Onegu didnt read like he was frustrated so much to me iunno. I'll give you that it sounded different when I read it again in his filter.

At least thrawns here I can sheep somebody.

On November 05 2013 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
you didn't sound mad you sounded afraid.

On November 06 2013 03:51 EchelonTee wrote:
pros to no lynch -

potential (not-guaranteed) extra day of three blues
scum has 1 extra target

cons -

less information than a lynch (a lynch gives more information than a no-lynch, self-explanatory)
0 chance of killing scum

I don't think we will have more direction tomorrow unless we get extremely lucky dodging bullets and making good actions. I don't think a no-lynch is a good idea.

I could get on board with hzflank. reading him through

On November 06 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:


I don't think I buy this at all... refer to my above post and get back to me. If you want to call ET scum then go ahead and do it instead of posting a quote here, a snide comment there.

On November 06 2013 14:31 thrawn2112 wrote:


yeah ok

we can do it this way which ends up with me pushing your lynch over everything else D2 or we can actually play mafia?

On November 06 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

while this is true, it's not alignment indicative because of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! WoS knows what i am talking about.

On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote:
.... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority.

Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest.

Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning.

On November 06 2013 06:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
"Pretend"

On November 06 2013 15:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
I went back and looked through your post to see if you have other reasons for calling Cephiro mafia but it looks like the bulk of your case against him is that he was the most nervous? Is that correct?

On November 06 2013 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have no idea why he should not be.
Could you clarify your posts about the scumteam?

On November 15 2013 07:03 Umasi wrote:
why did people vote me as blue d1/d2?