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Vanesco
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First time playing on TL forum so hopefully will be fun. | ||
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You seem very defensive of Balla, especially since nothing of importance has been given by anybody as of yet. I think pressuring people to talk is a good thing on the start of Day 1 since nobody is confirmed (apart from Obzy ofc). | ||
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You seem to be throwing this blame off of you and onto onlywonderboy. He actually seems to be responding about the post and not to the "accusation" that Storr is putting on Balla. So your play of throwing off the defence of Balla (which you did defend from Storrz comment) and throwing it on onlywonderboy is very scummy to me. | ||
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Vanesco
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All I'm saying is that onlywonderboy didn't really respond to StorrZ comment other than saying he doesn't agree. You on the other hand just talk about Storr trying to pressure Balla with no evidence (which is in my opinion is a justified play on page 1 of day 1). It just seems to me like you are trying to redirect off of Balla. | ||
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In my mind I play by thinking everybody is potential mafia at the start(except for me and you). Maybe defending was a wrong word to use, instead maybe redirecting would be better. If Balla and cakeman are mafia together, then it seems like cakeman is trying to redirect off of Balla by saying that there is no concrete evidence (like I have said many times before, there shouldnt be on page 1 of day 1). It just seems very scummy since the only way to get people to talk at the start of the day is to put a bit of pressure and he is trying to take it off Balla. | ||
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Fair enough. I just like to hear quiet people talk. | ||
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Do you have any other reads (town or scum) other than cakeman? | ||
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I think if you check my posts it will be very clear that I like putting pressure on people early. I saw what seemed to be a somewhat defensiveness come from cakeman so I pressured him. And I bring nothing to the table is kind probably the most idiotic statement you make, especially since I am the first one to start pressuring cakeman. There was no bandwagon since I was the first on him. You even posted that you thought cakeman is scummy. Your view of him may have changed but remember, once YOU were the bandwagoner, not me. I'm actually not sure how I'm indecisive since I think I pressured cakeman fairly decently. I also don't know where you get this idea that I'm apologizing. I don't know where this is coming from since I'm trying to re-read my posts and find nothing apologetic about them. I was actually going to post about thepoofter, refreshed, and saw Balla posted about him already. I didn't like how he brought nothing to the game at that point. He made a few posts and that didn't really have any value in them and then he went away. He came back tho but even his responses of how he thought his beginning posts were pro town seem silly and a stretch since all he talked about was his time zone and length of posts. Along with thepoofter I would like to hear more from OWB (onlywonderboy). He has only made a few posts which he mentions to lynch lurkers, that everybody should be very active (pretty ironic), and about length of posts. None of this helps out town in my opinion. I'm not liking nyxnyxnyx kinda jumping on two possible bandwagons and not really giving any genuine new points about any players and just kinda stealing the ideas others have presented and using them for himself. | ||
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I am not exactly saying that I think you and cakeman are definitely scum together. I just used that as a possible example (which we discussed before). I don't know why you keep saying why I'm tunnel visioning when we already discussed this before and I agreed with your possible angle. It just seems to me like you don't like being possibly associated with a possible scum. | ||
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And pressuring cakeman is easier done coming from one angle and since I didn't like anything he said further I continued down that point. Why would I retreat and change my point of view when I thought my current pressure was doing decently well? | ||
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"Jonnys' accusations seem forced and I dont feel bad about Vanesco" "I agree with the scummy things about cakeman" "Jonny's and July's posts seem off because they are inconsistent" There has been no logic and reasoning to anything he has said so far and I also would like to hear why he has the reads he has. It seems like all of his statements are just an "insert name here" statement and can be said about almost anyone. @nyxnyxnyx On page 10 is the timer, voting ends as of 1 day and 4 hours from this post | ||
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##Vote: E00e I also want to remind people that OdinOfPergo is the only one that hasn't posted anything. | ||
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I will not say if I agree with you or not since you give no reasoning. I may or may not agree on some people, but I may disagree with the specific accusation you are giving. If you are town I would recommend giving more reasoning for your reads (even if they are obvious to you), but if you are scum then I don't mind if you remain quiet since it will be an easy lynch. Your only "kinda" accusation is on a maybe one of the first 5 posts of the game. So are you telling me all you have from this game are from only the first page of posts and have nothing else from the rest of the game? Well since my jumping to conclusion is correct then I guess it was the correct move, is it not? | ||
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I do not like your vote at the moment you made it. It's like you are saying you will look into it but vote before doing so, as if it doesn't matter if storr has posted something useful or not. | ||
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I am at the moment just waiting until poofter shows up again. I would rather wait for him to respond before giving an opinion I have on him. | ||
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Currently I am still waiting on E00e. I think we all agreed to lynch lurkers and he has been called out three times. First by July, no response. Then later by me, no response. Suddenly I vote him, and guess what a response. What has he done since, nada. All of the "reads" he has said he have either been: "i agree with", "i disagree with", or questions. At least on storr there is some activity by him when town wants him to talk, but E00e was called out and has gone back into hiding. I would rather lynch E00e at this point before lynching storr. | ||
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Also you never explain any of your reads apart from saying something along the lines of "it was discussed already so I don't have to". You mention July and Jonny are inconsistent with no reasoning which just looks like you are trying to throw the blame on somebody else. You even mention that you are leaving your reasonings off the table. As a town I don't understand how not giving town any insight or reads you have on another player is actually helping. In your latest few posts you don't talk about anything specific again and harp on maybe how Odin came into the game very aggressively. Only point thats valid is that some of his postings have been distracting but after maybe the first few, its mostly all about the game. I still haven't seen you come up with any of your own original reads with any actual evidence or they have been very weak at best. Overall, at this point the most two scummy people seem to be E00e/July. E00e's response now is much better than what July has brought to the game. All July has done is ask questions, try to attack me on something he misread and not backing off when I (and others I think) explain it. He has also given no reads and has been lurking. He has contributed nothing of use for town to the game. To me I would say July is a stronger vote than E00e at this point, but if town decides that E00e is the best lynch, I would have no problem with that. | ||
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Before leaving I had my vote on E00e. Not that I don't think he is scummy but like I mentioned before, July was seeming more scummy to me. The reason why I think July is a good day 1 lynch is because he has not really given the town anything useful and his last few posts are basically screaming "I give up, I don't want to play anymore". How I see it is that best case scenario he is scum, worst case scenario we get rid of a useless town who has mostly useless posts which only creates distractions for other players to use to their advantage. Apart from this the three players that seem like we can get a majority lynch on are E00e, July, or Odin. All 3 in my opinion would be good lynches but my largest scum read (on these 3) to smallest would be: July E00e Odin | ||
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##Vote: July617 | ||
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We know for a fact that there are definitely 2-3 mafia with a possible SK. With 13 possible players and 2 being confirmed town, that means that 2/11 or 3/11 are mafia while 3/11 or 4/11 are scum. If there are 3 mafia then it would make no sense (in my opinion) for them to be arguing and trying to throw each other under the bus. It's possible, but it seems very idiotic since it shines a bad light on all 3 of them. And if town decides to lynch one of them and the other two end up backing off then it seems even more obvious that they are all mafia together, which would be a terrible play. That is why I am saying that out of Ball, Odin, and Jonny there is 1 non-mafia for sure. Worse case scenario it could be 2 mafia and SK, but I think that almost like my previous post, SK and mafia would rather prefer to stay more in the dark and not in the spotlight. So assuming you agree with my logic thus far, we can conclude that these are the current possible mafia (not including SK): Tehpoofter onlywonderboy nyxnyxnyx Vonthin Vanesco E00e StorrZerg cakemanofdoom Max 2 of Balla24/JonnyLaw/OdinOfPergo From this list you can exclude yourself (if your town, if scum then shame on you). That leaves 9/11 players that could be mafia (I would even so far as just saying all of scum is in that list). So that means that 3/9 or 4/9 of the players currently left on that list are scum. I have also made this post since later on I will give more explanation on each player and hopefully this will help town move in the right direction as well as I will be referencing this later on (I didn't want to post A LOT at once, so I am doing it in slight increments). It's been a while since I last refreshed and the last post is by Balla24 at 10:31 so I apologize if something is repeating. I would also wish for this argument to end between the three of you since I think it has run its course and move on to something else for now. You can come back to each other in a while, but it seems like all 3 of you are getting very frustrated/angry. | ||
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For someone that wants to hear us talk about poofter, you seem very negligent to talk about him yourself. Looks kinda like trying to throw someone under the bus. | ||
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For most of the game he has been trying to be fairly friendly to Balla, too friendly for my liking. Constantly asking questions as if he is confident that balla is not mafia (which only mafia would know). He has also been very aggressive against cake but when it comes to a vote he decides to vote on E00e after there was enough evidence and people voting to be able to jump on him without drawing suspicion. The entire game up till that point, almost every post he talked about his scum reads, cake was in, but then suddenly he decides on E00e after a few votes and accusations where put on him. Next he jumps on the July post, again when some votes and accusations are in. He has seemed to lost his cakeman accusation which he had for more than half the game and seems to be fine on sitting on the easy votes at that time, E00e and then July. He also votes on July after July had voted on him, maybe a revenge vote by poofter. Currently I am curious why his scum read of cake all game long went away and turned to E00e as soon as some votes and accusations of E00e were in. | ||
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I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum? Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question) On the topic of Jonny, I really did not like his early game at all. He came out with a weak accusation on me (which was a complete grab at something non-existent and I shot down every point he made). He also tags thepoofter at the very end because my thought process agreed with him on one thing. He then says he likes cakeman's posts but only those that address me or poofter. He then says he will get back to me and poofter in a minute and nothing happens. He then changes the subject on July and E00e. He then says that he is not sold on me but "whatever". That just seems like he doesn't want to push me because many people have commented back on him and he was in the questioning spotlight for a while. He seemed to back of just for the purpose of not being targeted anymore and instead went for 2 lurkers so that he would be safe for a while. Later Jonny says that he is against lynching odin, but is ok with July/E00e/nyx. Most of those were lurkers at the time but why not Odin. He literally posted nothing up till that point but yet you protect him? Makes no sense. He has been heavy on poofter since the get-go without ever giving actual reads on why he thinks poofter is scum. Now that I look at it more closely, poofter has been on cakeman's case and just a few posts ago cakeman said he still doesn't like poofter. I see no reason why Jonny has been so heavy on poofter but now I see that poofter was pretty aggressive on cake so maybe he is trying to deflect off of cake and onto poofter. He makes a post with a "formatting error" and then comes back 30 minutes later that he had JUST caught up when he was in the forums at least 30 min beforehand at least. I just get weird vibes from that. He then goes on Odin and saying that he was spamming when in fact both of them were arguing and spamming. Again later he says he will vote poofter if there will be majority. Afraid to vote and be called out again? Seems like now he just wants to blend in. Later on he agrees that his accusation on my was poor but "at least it got a discussion". Well if it was poor then why were you so hesitant to drop it? Later on he agrees with cakeman, who he has been the player that poofter didn't like early game. He keeps defending cakeman further saying that we only looked at the bad post on the first page. He also says "Odin coming in throwing out names and then voting cakeman who will not be lynched". He seems fairly confident that cakeman won't be lynched. Later on he comes out with this post I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van. That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not. There are so many wrong things its hard to begin. You were pressuring me is basically your way of saying you tried to jump on me, town jumped on you instead and then you backed off. If you wanted to pressure poofter then do that, not somebody else. That is probably one of the most worst ways to ever pressure someone. If you did not think you could lynch poofter day 1 then why go on him with no reads given so far on him in the game. Seems like your waiting for him to tell you things instead of having your own actual reads. Jonny is also the first one to find that cakeman is listed twice. A strange coincidence to me. After that he keeps wanting an Odin lynch all the way until this very post. The only thing he has said about Odin is about him his lies of how many times he has read the thread. Those are not even really too relevant to the game. It is probably one of the weakest points you can make on Odin being scummy. OVERALL: Jonny is reading super scummy to me. None of his people he has had major reads on which are myself, poofter, and Odin have any good accusations and seem to be reaching. Also it seems like a pattern of Jonny defending cakeman has come up WAY to many times. I would say I think Jonny is a strong scum read for me atm with cakeman as his partner, but I would have to review cakeman's play 1 more time before feeling completely confident in adding him in with Jonny. | ||
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So I pressure cakeman early on and he tries to deflect to OWB. He has a small talk with Jonny where Jonny thinks that cake might be scum but he will not give his reasons why (I have already started pressuring cake so he is basically just bandwagoning and refusing to say why). Later on however it seems that cake is actually asking Jonny what seem to me as decent town questions. This doesn't mean he can't be mafia, but leans more town than mafia. But later on when he is giving his scum reads he leaves Jonny out of it which to me seemed strange because I thought that one of his few scum reads would be on Jonny, especially since he says he didn't "see much value in Jonny's case" but for some reason he doesn't. Again here he gives out his scum reads and he is riding hard on poofter (poofter also pretty hard on cake) but I still don't understand what made him think all of the sudden Jonny is not scummy from his earlier play. He also jumps on poofter but his accusations I think are very weak. Who else hasn't liked poofter very much up till this point? Jonny. I see some type of relationship bonding. Later on he defends Jonny by saying that Cuz Jonny, the guy you're attacking right now, is pretty far from being our lynch today. I suspected Jonny after his bad van case. His poofter case doesn't seem much better; I agree with the conclusion, but it seems more quotes than analysis. I do agree that Odin doesn't look great though; I can't tell whether the guy read the thread or not. He's said both that he's only on page 12 after he said he read the thread 4 times. And Odin seems to be rehashing old arguments for the most part. Pushing for an Odin lynch right now, though, seems more disruptive than anything else considering how there are other decent lynches. Also, I don't know why Jonny would be the first to defend me if he was mafia, since it should be more convenient for suspicion to stay on me. This reason doesn't apply to anyone else though since no one else can confirm that I'm town. So yeah, from anyone else's perspective I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today. Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on. ##Unvote Tehpoofter ##Vote: July617 I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July. Here he states he suspected Jonny but never put him on his scum list? Looks like cake is just saying this for convenience sake. Also his saying that it doesn't make sense for Jonny to defend him is logical...unless both cake and jonny are mafia, then it completely makes sense for Jonny to defend cake. And again he seems fairly certain that Jonny will not be lynched. Things are just seeming to coincidental too many times between the two of them. Was defending me an easy defense? Jonny was the first to defend me, and I think mafia would have preferred to leave suspicion on me. Jonny's early defense on me looks towny to me, because I think scum would try to leave suspicion on me as long as possible. Aside from that, I don't see enough suspicion of him so I think votes on him would be wasted. Again and again, if you are both mafia then it makes complete sense. 3 times you have brought this point up. Also, Jonny's van case mentioned that I was looking more noob town. So did you suspect him or think of him as noob town. Your read on the same play has changed many times over the course of the game. Seems pretty scummy. And whoa, votes for E00e. I'm a bit worried since I don't trust owb or nyx right now, but E00e's still lurky and not posting except when directly called out does look bad enough that I'm okay with lynching him. Guess I'll be switch to vote him soon, unless some other wagon gets going? This here scared me alot. cake is basically saying "ya I have better reads on others. Not gonna try to convince town since it might make me look bad, so I'll just go with majority vote". I don't really know what to think of the Jonny vs. Odin. Jonny's cases were usually pretty bad And yet you have not once made Jonny one of your scum reads. | ||
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