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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Balla24
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Balla24
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E00e
88 Posts
I feel like Mafia would have pushed for me and July. One of the people who did that is Vonthin. I still dont like their accusation one me and it looks like they tested out who could be lynched the most easily out of July,Odin,e00E. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On November 02 2013 02:26 E00e wrote: I dont think Jonny is mafia. He makes some bad arguments and takes part in pointless discussions but his anger seems genuine and he puts out information. I feel like Mafia would have pushed for me and July. One of the people who did that is Vonthin. I still dont like their accusation one me and it looks like they tested out who could be lynched the most easily out of July,Odin,e00E. Thoughts on Odin? You had a mafia read yesterday. Did everything he do tonight fit with that? | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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E00e
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
So I was feeling a little better about E00e (and then he just posted, right before I started this) - His filter just looks like it's not really doing much, but he isn't being purposelessly obstructive or avoiding conversation, just not saying a lot. Looking forward to seeing him continue chatting with Balla as you guys are doing currently so keep it up lol. I really dunno about Jonny. I think he's scummy, but I'm not sure if he's worth lynching tomorrow over somebody else, since we still have a number of lurkers. I was starting to put together a post pointing at Vonthin, but his filter actually read sort of townie to me, and I could understand where he drew his reads from in this post - particularly with regards to OWB, who I'd also been uncertain of. OWB's behavior did pick up prior to Von's little list of reads, and the rest of his reads at that time (other than Poofter who I've sorta been ignoring for some reason) were about what I also thought at the time, although Jonny has changed since then. I don't like how he's been absent for awhile though, given that I noticed him posting in another thread (which is why I decided to start looking into this game a bit more in the first place xD) Owb doesn't really seem towny or scummy, he just seems absent. I don't really have a solid read on him atm, if his behavior does not pick up over the weekend, he's definitely worth lynching just for being a lurker... but until then, his participation rhythm (as it were) seems legitimate enough. Atm I'm most interested in hearing opinions on Poofter (since I apparently am so darn lazy I can't develop them myself... I seem to do anything but.) | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
So I pressure cakeman early on and he tries to deflect to OWB. He has a small talk with Jonny where Jonny thinks that cake might be scum but he will not give his reasons why (I have already started pressuring cake so he is basically just bandwagoning and refusing to say why). Later on however it seems that cake is actually asking Jonny what seem to me as decent town questions. This doesn't mean he can't be mafia, but leans more town than mafia. But later on when he is giving his scum reads he leaves Jonny out of it which to me seemed strange because I thought that one of his few scum reads would be on Jonny, especially since he says he didn't "see much value in Jonny's case" but for some reason he doesn't. Again here he gives out his scum reads and he is riding hard on poofter (poofter also pretty hard on cake) but I still don't understand what made him think all of the sudden Jonny is not scummy from his earlier play. He also jumps on poofter but his accusations I think are very weak. Who else hasn't liked poofter very much up till this point? Jonny. I see some type of relationship bonding. Later on he defends Jonny by saying that Cuz Jonny, the guy you're attacking right now, is pretty far from being our lynch today. I suspected Jonny after his bad van case. His poofter case doesn't seem much better; I agree with the conclusion, but it seems more quotes than analysis. I do agree that Odin doesn't look great though; I can't tell whether the guy read the thread or not. He's said both that he's only on page 12 after he said he read the thread 4 times. And Odin seems to be rehashing old arguments for the most part. Pushing for an Odin lynch right now, though, seems more disruptive than anything else considering how there are other decent lynches. Also, I don't know why Jonny would be the first to defend me if he was mafia, since it should be more convenient for suspicion to stay on me. This reason doesn't apply to anyone else though since no one else can confirm that I'm town. So yeah, from anyone else's perspective I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today. Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on. ##Unvote Tehpoofter ##Vote: July617 I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July. Here he states he suspected Jonny but never put him on his scum list? Looks like cake is just saying this for convenience sake. Also his saying that it doesn't make sense for Jonny to defend him is logical...unless both cake and jonny are mafia, then it completely makes sense for Jonny to defend cake. And again he seems fairly certain that Jonny will not be lynched. Things are just seeming to coincidental too many times between the two of them. Was defending me an easy defense? Jonny was the first to defend me, and I think mafia would have preferred to leave suspicion on me. Jonny's early defense on me looks towny to me, because I think scum would try to leave suspicion on me as long as possible. Aside from that, I don't see enough suspicion of him so I think votes on him would be wasted. Again and again, if you are both mafia then it makes complete sense. 3 times you have brought this point up. Also, Jonny's van case mentioned that I was looking more noob town. So did you suspect him or think of him as noob town. Your read on the same play has changed many times over the course of the game. Seems pretty scummy. And whoa, votes for E00e. I'm a bit worried since I don't trust owb or nyx right now, but E00e's still lurky and not posting except when directly called out does look bad enough that I'm okay with lynching him. Guess I'll be switch to vote him soon, unless some other wagon gets going? This here scared me alot. cake is basically saying "ya I have better reads on others. Not gonna try to convince town since it might make me look bad, so I'll just go with majority vote". I don't really know what to think of the Jonny vs. Odin. Jonny's cases were usually pretty bad And yet you have not once made Jonny one of your scum reads. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
He constantly reminds us that "we need to catch some scum!!" etc, no duh... seems odd and is kind of annoying, but it does fit with his pre-game persona. This post: On November 01 2013 08:22 Tehpoofter wrote: I really wish you would give us something. :/ Is totally something mafia me/one of my teammates (can't remember which) did... It's pro town in the sense that you're showing your disappointment in a townie giving up, but not pro-town enough that you're defending him. An easy post for scum, not very useful post as town. He has a similar voting pattern to Vonthin... also something i noticed was he called Vonthin out to post something when Vonthin was literally completely under the radar and nobody was thinking about him at all and Vonthin posts something 2hrs later (which fits a town profile of Vonthin, since he did the same thing when I called him out, but he was clearly there). Might be scum trying to get his mate to be more pro-town. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Remember: consolidate the discussion... defend people you don't agree with the accusations on/don't think are scummy. That's the most important thing we can do to stop tunnel visioning. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
In regards to Vonith, he has been mentioned a few times but never really put forward as a scum candidate. I realize I haven't been the most active poster, but Vonthin has managed even less content and less pro town information. He pushed e00 when he was the main lunch target but then suddenly changed his mind and decides he "wasn't the best target." This was right before the vote train on July had started on July. I realize Vonith had mentioned July as a scum candidate, but his read didn't say anything else that hadn't been said already. All that means is that he was comfortable joining the July train. Then he said he wasn't to hear from Odin before the July lunch through. Seems like he would have been totally okay jumping on that train as well had it gotten going. So Vonith has sheeped on almost every read and hasn't contributed any original content. Seems pretty scummy to me. | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I don't know why he'd do this as town. He gave a terrible case on van, as well as cases on poofter and odin. The odin case seems to focus on the reading thing way too much (I was personally wondering about that, but I wouldn't have called odin scum just for that. The poofter case was mostly thing I agreed with, actually, though I don't remember if I posted Jonny's points first. The formatting confused me at first, so I didn't care much for it before. If he's town, it's probably just a weird coincidence that just about all of his targets have been on me, and bad cases are just bad towniness. I'd also think that he was just applying pressure to his targets (or at least van) since I'm not sure he'd even convince himself with his van argument. I don't wanna just chalk it up to coincidence, though, and his case on van was flat out terrible (I didn't agree with a single thing he said) and calling that van case a way to pressure poofter is sketchy. I don't know why he'd do this as mafia. Suspicion was on me, and I think mafia would have preferred to keep it on me rather than be the first to defend me. Maybe he thought I looked town and wanted to clear himself after I flipped town somehow, but it seems like there would be better people to do that on, like someone who's more likely to get lynched. Maybe he wanted to implicate me, but he implicates himself just as hard, and I don't think that's a worthwhile trade for mafia. Just looks like weird/bad mafia play to me. So yeah, if I didn't have my role pm I'd think there's a good chance that we're both mafia (or maybe he knew we were both town, like we were masons or something. Didn't think too hard into this possibility since it's minor and not true). The alternatives don't make much sense. But since I know I'm vanilla town, if he was mafia I don't think linking himself to me would be helpful to mafia. I'm left wondering what town should do about Jonny and me... Killing Jonny seems to be the best choice. If he flips town then his actions no longer implicate me so unless I'm missing something we'd have to rely on other details in suspecting me. If he flips scum, I guess I'd be dead soon too, but 1 vanilla town for one scum seems like a good tradeoff for town. Killing me first... Jonny would seem scummy if I flipped scum, but I'd flip town which doesn't give much info about Jonny. Well, we have time until the lynch. We can get more information from night actions and the posts until lynchtime, so I think it would be best to look for and kill even more suspicious people in case we're both town. For what it's worth, I generally liked how Jonny pushed the town (like being aggressive at lurkers to make them talk and contribute). However, I don't like his pushing Odin so hard at the vote; his ultimatum sounded more sure of himself than he had any right to be: On November 01 2013 02:03 JonnyLaw wrote: We have 5-6 people here. Read what I just posted and tell me how Odin's posting helped or why you think it will help the town to win this game? If you cannot then vote odin. Plenty of other people made posts that weren't helpful to town, like our mislynch July. Also, he complains that the July lynch wouldn't get us information if July flipped town, but I don't really see how Odin flipping town would give information either. So to summarize: aside from that confusing stuff about him and me, I think Jonny's tone and direction were good and towny, but his particular choice of actions and cases are questionable. Pointing out decent directions that town should go in seems like it would be easier for mafia than making good cases, though, so Jonny would normally appear scummy to me if I don't consider that connection between us. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Whoever said I was frustrated last night by the July lynch was correct. July's play was transparent and just plain bad. He said whatever he wanted when pressured and his best defense was "fuck off I'm town." Ehh...he didn't come off as stupid so that defense wasn't in line with him being scum. Oh well, what's done is done. When I get home I'll check the filters again. Particularly intrigued to see when and how people placed their votes. No one has addressed this issue and it's really the best reads we can get from that lynch. We need look at who joined the July lynch party and when. Examine these facts in relationship to their other posts and we can start to form a picture of the web that got July lynched and we can come up with a better lynch target for day2. If it happens to be me that you decide on after actual fact analysis, so be it. I'll look for myself soon and see what I can ocme up with here. In regards to cakeman. I don't know if he's scum or town but since the day 1 pressure that came from a couple shitty posts he's been improving his play and acts as though he's genuinely trying to catch scum. I'll check that filter along with the rest. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
idk ill just refer to what i said earlier, if you spent more time trying to push for odin instead of silly questions, maybe something different would have happened. awaiting your reads well have some more information in a few hours as well | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
 guess we're just waiting for night actions now... Obzy get all your reads out there if you can..Not sure how helpful this is: 1.Tehpoofter - scummy 2.Balla24 - hi 3.onlywonderboy - neutral 4.nyxnyxnyx - town 5.Obzy - IC 6.Vonthin - scummy 7.Vanesco - town 8.E00e - town 9.StorrZerg - neutral leaning scummy 11.JonnyLaw - neutral leaning town 12.OdinOfPergo -town 13.cakemanofdoom -neutral leaning scummy but i'm bored atm waiting for dinner and don't feel like putting any real effort into thinking | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
And anybody that thinks Balla is scum is delusional. Certainly, looking towards poofter, storr, and jonny for tomorrow's lynch is what I would feel most comfortable doing right now. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 02 2013 04:52 onlywonderboy wrote: I know Balla just said to stay focused, but I want to make sure we don't let Vonthin slide under the radar here. We have plenty of time before the next lynch so we can focus really heavily after Day 2 starts In regards to Vonith, he has been mentioned a few times but never really put forward as a scum candidate. I realize I haven't been the most active poster, but Vonthin has managed even less content and less pro town information. He pushed e00 when he was the main lunch target but then suddenly changed his mind and decides he "wasn't the best target." This was right before the vote train on July had started on July. I realize Vonith had mentioned July as a scum candidate, but his read didn't say anything else that hadn't been said already. All that means is that he was comfortable joining the July train. Then he said he wasn't to hear from Odin before the July lunch through. Seems like he would have been totally okay jumping on that train as well had it gotten going. So Vonith has sheeped on almost every read and hasn't contributed any original content. Seems pretty scummy to me. I wanted to hear from Odin before we lynched July because his posts seemed really off and over aggro to me like I said compared to his play last game. If his posts were more of the same as he posted already I would think he could possibly be scum, didn't want to lynch him on those posts alone. His posts since he got back have been a lot better imo and seemed like like his town play from last game so I don't think he is currently scum. I always thought July was suspicious even before the lynch train was happening, he just wasn't playing like he was last game plus some of the reasons I posted already about him. I was comfortable joining the July train since I felt we needed to lynch someone especially if there is a chance we think that person is scum which I thought July was. I don't really know how not to sheep on reads if all the people I think are scum have already been mentioned for those reasons. Should I just post less than I already am If the reasons I think someone are scum have already been said? @Ballas concerns about me I'll be honest, I've been extremely lazy playing this game if you couldn't tell by my post count and posts, While I have had the time to play this game I keep getting side tracked by playing other games with friends and going out to bars to watch the world series. I already decided I am gonna take a break from mafia no matter the outcome of this game since I never put enough time into it since I have been failing to do my job as tow. I've been playing town by just trying to survive and just respond to accusations to me and not doing towns actual job of hunting down scum even if it means their own life. The first post you referred too that you called me out on to get better reads was half assed by me, when you called me out on it I went and reread filters and got a better read on E00e and thought he was looked scummy to me with that small sample size of posts. After I got back hours later I unvoted him since I think he responded OK to mine and Vans accusations to him, I still think there is a chance of him being scum at that point but not as much as July, but yeah I did a bad job of not saying why I was unvoting E00e as I wanted to get around to my current reads where I talked about July and Odin. I never actually actually said Odin was scummy, I said I was unsure since he was playing weird at the time I made that post and whats why I wanted to hear more from him. Not gonna make any good excuses for not posting before the vote happened, I just was playing Hearthstone since I just got a inv to it and sorta forgot about this game. Even if I was looking at the thread I don't know what I would post since I thought July was scum. Not gonna post indepth reads till after Night actions since a lot can change plus don't want to make this post even longer 1.Poofter-Scummy, haven't looked at his filter since the night started to see if he posted anything to change my opinion 2. Balla- Town Still asking good questions to look for mafia 3. OWB - Still unsure like I said in my first post with reads 4.Nyx- Could be town, posting exactly the same as last game where he was town but with more detail and reasoning which is better 5. Van- town 6.e00e - scum 7. Stor- sort of in the same boat with him as I am with OWB, not really sure 8. Jonny - Not sure again, I liked his posts till night phase, then he started asking stupid questions like the who would you lynch tomorrow if you had 7 votes question 9.Now that he isn't drunk/stressed out from work playing exactly how he did last game which I thought was solid town. 10. Maybe scum, not that strong of an opinion on him currently | ||
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