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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:20 GMT
#2838
Both have enough suspicious things about them + voting powers that it seems there must be a mafia between them.

If there's not a mafia between them, I can't find any sort of team with 3 mafia in.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:24 GMT
#2841
He hasn't made a single good post after Night 1, you're totally correct. His self-assurance on Day 1 seems just so god-damn hard for mafia to fake though.

Also totally disappearing/not using nuke is just stupid as both alignments.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:27 GMT
#2842
Interestingly, if Seuss is actually mafia, it would make s&b/Vayne quite likely to be town.

If Seuss managed to fake saying "I think everyone has a power" when he's mafia with people without in-thread powers, I'll be extremely impressed.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:29 GMT
#2845
My meta use is probably one of the absolute best on the site, so whatever broski.

Also that's not what I said about their meta at all. Your inability to comprehend basic things is, as always, staggering, kush.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:31 GMT
#2850
On November 01 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He asks about kush's meta and then makes no conclusions from it when i tell him what it is. He however has a conclusion on N1 that kush is likely scum (how?). He talks about WoS night kill but has no opinion about why (why would you talk about it then if you can't reach to a conclusion?). He votes for Vayne for reasons that are bad. If he did look into any of Vayne's past games he would know his reasons are bad. And that's it. That's what he's done since D1.

I know Wave tried to tell me off for it, but it was odd how he decided kush was mafia doing the old busseroo, but that s&b was also definitely probably mafia, when kush had basically been hard-defending s&b.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:32 GMT
#2851
On November 01 2013 20:30 OOHCHILD wrote:
that is exactly what you said about clarity. and you said it means 3p lol ok.
then thats what you said about prome just now... his scum game in lx or watver was way better.

No, I said Prome's scumgame in LX was atrocious.

Please learn to read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:33 GMT
#2852
On November 01 2013 20:18 marvellosity wrote:
I've just flicked through his LX (mafia) filter. It's totally atrocious. His filter here doesn't read atrocious like that :/

Seriously, reading is not hard.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:35 GMT
#2854
I policy lynched Clarity and hoped he was mafia, how is that relevant?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:37 GMT
#2857
On November 01 2013 20:36 OOHCHILD wrote:
by clarity i mean sentinel

Have you read Sentinel's towngames?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:38 GMT
#2859
The meta read I made on Sentinel was that he was way more serious in Noir than he has been here (as s&b said).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:39 GMT
#2862
It's nothing to do with effort, it's to do with tone.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:42 GMT
#2864
I trust my judgement over yours every day kush. However, like Prome he's done jack shit today.

I'd still like to see if any of his nukes are going to land today before deciding what to do with him though. That just seems sensible to me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:47 GMT
#2866
What was the towngame that Pandain played some games ago? It's not in the database. rayn, you were in it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:48 GMT
#2869
Yes, now is good, I think I ninjad you a little :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:54 GMT
#2875
I've actually crumbed my role already. but you'll never find it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 11:56 GMT
#2876
On November 01 2013 20:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically this is the difference. As town Pandain wants to be right before the lynch and pushes who he thinks is the best lynch. As scum Pandain wants to be right but he doesn't really REALLY care if his target get's lynched (see Noir and Thug life). Then he yells people how who he "pushed" should have been lynched while not having put any effort into it when it was relevant. That's what i am starting to see in this game. scum!Pandain always falls apart at last on D2.

Yes, this is kinda interesting; Pandain was very very interested in the right lynch in Golden because he was worried about the OP wagon. Need to see how he was in this game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 12:36 GMT
#2898
Pandain - can you talk to me a bit more about your read on s&b for me? In Golden Sun you defended him pretty hard, pretty early, and pretty repeatedly. One of the reasons you defended him is that he made a post on rayn's meta and playstyle that you really liked. He's made similar posts this game. What changed?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 12:45 GMT
#2905
So what rayn? It says nothing that offers any insight at all.

Reading Pandain's filter this game at the moment. Actually the way he approaches the s&b case is very interesting. He comes away with a not-so-firm conclusion, which in this case I think is more of a town-tell than a mafia-tell.

Usually if mafia make really long posts and cases, they do it with the intention of merely tunnelling him. Whereas he actually provided counterbalance points. It's interesting.

Also tonally Pandain feels very similar to Golden Sun. I'll have a real quick flick through Noir and Hogwarts I guess to see if it feels different.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 12:50 GMT
#2909
On November 01 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 02:49 Seuss wrote:
Going back through the first day for Oats, he really embodies what's been annoying me all game. He's something of a bully, spending most of his time pushing people around while generally avoiding questions himself. There's a smattering of posts which involve effort/fair argument, but his signal to noise ratio is bad. He's also second only to Koshi in terms of random power-begging.

I think in the end of the day mad rush I gave him more credit than he deserved, and weighted the meta rebuffs I'd received too heavily. Maybe I'm just jealous, but he got to dance around all of day 1 while I and others got grilled. I don't like that, and I don't like that I really don't know where he stands on anyone at the moment.

Combined with his N1 actions, I'm sticking with my scum read. I regret having powered him up.

I am conflicted about this post because on the other hand it's a total 180 on Oats for idk what reason and it contradicts his behavior regarding Oats on D1.
On the other hand the second paragraph is exactly my thoughts on Oats on N1 and after that. :E

The 2nd paragraph says nothing.

Literally you're saying "he has the exact same thoughts in 2nd paragraph"

Literally his only thought in the 2nde paragraph is "I don't know where he stands at the moment"

This is not a townie nor a mafia thing to say, it provides nothing of any interest other than an extremely brief summary of what Oats did on N1.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 01 2013 13:07 GMT
#2919
On November 01 2013 21:57 Koshi wrote:
Did you just figure out that what I am saying makes sense and are you starting to push town into lynching Prome?

Koshi, you're right. Seuss' progression Oats is such bullshit.

On October 28 2013 13:04 Seuss wrote:
Oats is pretty confrontational and terse. He doesn't really address Pandain's concerns about rayn in a meaningful way, but just laughs him off. I don't really follow his [UoN]Sentinel scum/town rayn/Koshi logic because it isn't spelled out at all, it just sort of is.

So right now I read him as slightly scummy, but he could just be town who isn't communicating well. We had a lot of those in my last game.

Oats scummy
On October 28 2013 23:29 Seuss wrote:
Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like.

You guys move faster than I can analyze and parse. Waugh.


Scummy
On October 29 2013 00:02 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok thats a really bad reason to call me scum Seuss.

Oatsmaster: Maybe scum. There's still a lot of "if so-and-so is Y, so-and-so #2 is X" without an explanation of the logic. I don't think it makes sense for him to give marv a pass for not talking about who he doesn't want to talk about, but not give Promethelax a similar pass for not following up where he doesn't want to follow up. He says he's made a strong case but you have to go back through about 30 posts and pick it up in bits and pieces, which is time consuming and not all that convincing. I realize this may just be his posting style and "meta" or whatever, but I find it obfuscates information more than I'd like.

Still a lot of associations? Quote more than the one I said about Koshi/rayn/sent please.

Marv and Prome get different treatment because of different meta's.


That was just one example of unexplained logic, but sure.

Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town.


That's the only other example. I felt there were more but that was due to my final point. I find your posting style hard to follow so a lot of what I felt were non-sequitur arguments were, on further review, consistent.

Oats now more "consistent"?
On October 30 2013 00:00 Seuss wrote:
Before I forget:

##Twerk
##Refudiate Oatsmaster

Christ, that's a fast turn-around.
On October 30 2013 01:10 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 01:06 Promethelax wrote:
Okay so I walked around the block and kicked puppies so I feel a little better now. Reread everything from page fifty and went into some filters.

Suess you should ##Yolo Promethelax


I'm not as certain of you being town as I am marv and Oats. Also, didn't you get the ones you needed earlier? I thought you wanted people to stop after that.

Certain of Oats?!

Seuss then goes on to repeatedly be non-committal and dodge Koshi on Oats
On October 31 2013 01:12 Seuss wrote:
A quick thought on Oatsmaster's confusing Koshi nuke. Even if you assume Koshi's question is scummy, we had hours that could have been spent grilling Koshi on that before we needed to fire nukes at him. Oatsmaster's play there is in keeping with the grand traditions routine irresponsibility of this game (hashtag first, ask questions later), and I'm reevaluating him accordingly.

On October 31 2013 02:00 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:45 Seuss wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote:
For serious Suess, I get that those things happened but this game is about conclusions not summaries.


I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me.

But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well.

So Oats is scum for nuking me? Because you had a STRONG townread on Oats before. As an analyst, don't you work with pro's and cons? After pushing red button all the pro town things Oats did are wiped away and he is scum for you now?


I haven't gone back to compare Oats' N1 actions with his D1 actions because I spent all my time scrutinizing OOHCHILD and HotCottonCandy. The statement on Oats was basically only considering his N1 play.

On October 31 2013 02:49 Seuss wrote:
Going back through the first day for Oats, he really embodies what's been annoying me all game. He's something of a bully, spending most of his time pushing people around while generally avoiding questions himself. There's a smattering of posts which involve effort/fair argument, but his signal to noise ratio is bad. He's also second only to Koshi in terms of random power-begging.

I think in the end of the day mad rush I gave him more credit than he deserved, and weighted the meta rebuffs I'd received too heavily. Maybe I'm just jealous, but he got to dance around all of day 1 while I and others got grilled. I don't like that, and I don't like that I really don't know where he stands on anyone at the moment.

Combined with his N1 actions, I'm sticking with my scum read. I regret having powered him up.

None of any of this feels natural
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