EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XLIX
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 06 2013 19:24 marvellosity wrote: yeah, this guy is currently permabanned, probably best remove him from the playerlist EDIT: im dumb | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
##Vote: Bereft | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
##vote Balla24 | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Vonthin is jumping on the istandwithmitt case with good reasoning, however he is completely ignoring what Seuss and Bereft are saying about him. You should be directly bringing up counter-points to Seuss/Bereft who are saying that we should be looking at other targets since he's drawing wayy too much attention to himself, which doesn't make sense as a scum player. My opinion on the matter is that istandwithmitt is a straight up troll, he's not looking to actually play this game he's just looking to fuck with it. We should leave him alive and just ignore him. If he's scum he's probably ruining their game just as much. If he's not trolling and he's serious then I would like to invite him to share what kind of experience he has with this game. I'm still trying to form an opinion on who to vote for, so I am reading filters for the next bit of time. Bare with me. One thing I would like to mention, though, that is somewhat irrelevant at the moment but might be relevant tomorrow: the E00 cop thing. In my opinion, e00's post was a perfectly reasonable topic (when should cop come out?) to talk about, albeit at a bad time since there were already several moving pieces in the game at that point. What is interesting however, is how playerboy jumps on it as if it was the worst possible thing a townie could do. It's like he didn't even think about what e00 was actually saying and wanted to gain town cred by stopping him from talking about something that he shouldn't be talking about (which would be things like, who cop should check, who doctor should save etc etc etc). Suspicious. I just wanted to get this out there so I don't forget tomorrow. Lastly I'd like to apologize for not being around for the first 36 hours, but I am now fully active and will be until the end of the game (people from last game can vouch for my activity levels). Something came up and I had to go out of town where I barely had any time to read the thread and post from my phone. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Unfortunately it's not much since he hasn't done or said much, it's a gut feeling. He starts the game by blindly following Odin (who was just posting to start conversation, imo) and then suddenly switches his vote to Vonthin for either of the following reasons: (1) people called him out on randomly following Odin so he decides to follow other people or (2) Vonthin voted him. He hasn't given any other reasoning for his play besides the fact that it's good to have town leaders to follow and a plan. I'm not liking him. However, I am hesitant to cast a vote because Vonthin casted a vote on him and he is also under suspicion from other players. I'm on the fence with my read for Vonthin because he has some substance to his posts and posted his plan beforehand, the switch to nyx makes sense. I'd like to know why he's willing to let up on istandwithmitt, is it because you agree on what others have said about him or what? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I would much rather vote nyx, as his reasonings for his plays aren't anywhere to be found. It's just random posting and blindly following other people. Then the reaction vote on Vonthin? How is that not super strange? Vonthin and July showed their opinion on the Odin gamestart talk, and immediately that puts them under suspicion? Why? It's not like their positions were super scum-like. Their contribution levels are similar to nyx's if not more. ##vote: nyxnyxnyx | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 16 2013 07:46 Seuss wrote: It's preferable at this point if we vote Vonthin. We can read a lot more into the positions of other people based on how he flips than we can if we suddenly turn around and lynch July. If Vonthin flips Mafia we can read a lot into people's votes. If he flips town we can be pretty certain July isn't mafia, which will cease the abusing relationship between his head and his desk I am at fault for. So I second your motion regarding SagaZ vote Why do you think july can't be mafia if vonthin is town again? They haven't done anything pair-worthy besides being in agreement. There isn't really any evidence to support the fact that they are against/together. There never is this early in the game. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 16 2013 08:17 Seuss wrote: Ah I see what you are saying. Sucks that you had to go this far to explain but I don't think they can really change anything about their play at this point to use this information.If July is mafia and Vonthin is not, it's to July's advantage to kill Vonthin over mitt. The town is already largely against mitt, so killing him doesn't really accomplish anything for the mafia if there's another good target. I think, however, that you are assuming that July would take the risk to change his position to lynch Vonthin (which hasn't been his position). If I were July as scum, I'm not sure that's a move I would make, especially since he hasn't made himself open for moves like that with his low post count. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I do want to revisit the Playerboy -> E00 situation. Playerboy, how do you read that as a soft-claim? He was genuinely trying to start a discussion on when cop should come out because that's an easy way for scum to slip and for scum to give a town-like opinion on something (which is better than not saying anything at all). It's a common way to start some conversation on day1. The fact that you were so angry at the fact that he did that really makes me think you're trying to gain town cred for flipping out over some small mistake. Also I'd like to hear about why you think E00 saying "i'm not going to confirm or deny i'm cop" is bad as well. If he's a good townie he has to debunk your "soft-claiming talk" whether he is cop or he is not. As far as nyx. ATM he is my highest scum read and I will push for him today as long as nothing changes during this nightphase/nightactions. Nyx, why did you think Vonthin was mafia? What specifically did you not like about his small defense (things he didn't mention etc etc)? Why was switching his vote to you the last nail in the coffin for you for him being scum? Mitt: Please do not use your vote as a way to sway people. It should be used as a vote and only that. On top of that, question people instead of just attacking them straight up. Get more information out of them and THEN decide. If you are just voting at the slightest sign of scum then you are not helping others see your side. More prodding. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Bereft was playing similar to this game as town, except I think he played a bit more aggressive. It's always spread out posts like this with some questioning. He shares his reads when he feels its relevant and there are no targets but not otherwise. During the nightphase especially after a mis-lynch he pushed questions on people a LOT to try to get them to explain their plays. He didn't really trust anyone and as a result was candidate for first night kill. For me he is a very good townie, scary scum player based on his town play. Playerboy is playing exactly as he was now. His posts are all over the place and he acts as if people make huge mistakes in their posts a lot. Expect him to get somewhat mad when people don't do what he's expecting them to do. He will rarely mention or talk to his mafia teammates and if he does he speaks of them as a neutral town read (not the highest of his town reads). After day 1 all his posts were manipulation by me and he seems very weak at forming fake opinions on subjects as scum. If he is scum, we will be able to break him if we continue to prod him for things. He will also not post if it is hard for him to make an opinion, he went fairly inactive towards the end of the game last game when it was important for all town to be posting. Keep an eye out for that. I don't think he is a good lynch target today, but it is important we keep the pressure up on him, need him to prove he is town. I'd invite you guys to share your opinions on each other and myself as well. Since we are the only ones with previous game information (i think). If anybody else has played with each other previously please share as well. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote: @Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something. that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz? my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around. on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< Sorry, just went over your filter from last game again, just a feeling i had from memory but I'm completely wrong. You have literally done exactly the same thing as last game haha. That makes me more comfortable with you. But again, the way you play makes me scared of you as a scum player, you could definitely screw us hard. Only thing that is different so far is the post-day1 posts from you but I chalk that up to the situation being completely different, especially since you are the one who mislynched rather than others. Anyways, my read on SagaZ is from his defense under pressure from Seuss. I liked it, he addresses most points that Seuss makes and tries to rectify the fact that he hasn't been posting content. Following the lynch, he follows up on his previous reads and tries to come up with a solid d2 target out of the guilty voters on d1. Seems like a good follow-up as a townie, as scum I would expect him to just let others post and try to figure out the next target, as thats how his play was indicating early on d1 and late d1, he was letting others figure out who to kill while he was somewhat under suspicion. I think he's playing solid. Again, could change but I don't have anything to prod him about atm. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 16 2013 23:06 nyxnyxnyx wrote: 1. i wanted to go with whatever odin was going for. i have explained why in previous post. that was istandwithmitt 2. i put up the vote since i was gona sleep in a bit (vote would close at ~10am next morning, might not wake up before then) 3. people complained about my blind voting because i expressed that i personally did not think istandwithmitt was mafia (and i still think so). vonthin changed his vote to me on that feeling, and i thought well fuck you im voting you bitch 4. that is all Please reply to these: From me: Nyx, why did you think Vonthin was mafia? What specifically did you not like about his small defense (things he didn't mention etc etc)? Why was switching his vote to you the last nail in the coffin for you for him being scum? Your post now literally just reiterates what we already know. Have some reasoning. You have none right now besides bullshit. You're almost acting like istandwithmitt right now and that puts us in a terrible position. On top of that, who are your scum reads now that Vonthin is dead? I'd like you to answer this before others share their reads. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:06 Seuss wrote: It could easily be him being careful with his vote so that nobody would be suspicious of it. Again though, I don't think July is mafia, but you shouldn't clear your suspicion of him just because he didn't switch his vote. Especially no reason to switch since it was clear that Vonthin was going to get lynched anyways. Hell, I did that last game as scum, if you aren't the deciding vote there is no reason to switch.Apparently I'm not smart enough, given the day's outcome. Why don't you think July is town? It's not impossible for him to be mafia, but it seems highly unlikely given that he had no reason to vote istandwithmitt over Vonthin. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:42 Bereft wrote: I actually don't think nyx has a lot of explaining to do, as some of you have put it. it's not a strong read, but I peg him as town right now. all he's done is shown a lack of confidence + some major sheeping, but his voting patterns actually are what make me skeptical that he'd be mafia. I'll reread when I get home tonight, but off the top of my head, he (a) showed an easy willingness to hammer someone who ultimately turned out to be town (mafia would've known vonthin would flip green and that hammering him the way nyx did would put them in a very bad light) and (b) encouraged us not to switch votes at the last minute (reinforces point a). just some food for thought... I don't like this line of thinking, the first points I agree with, that kind of lack of confidence seems to be common with townies in these games (onlywonderboy specifically does it too) but the voting? But if that's the case its probably also common with scum. You could easily say that he knew that you would know that so he went for it anyways which is why I don't like thinking like that. Plus, the way he reacted to Vonthin voting for him tells me he didn't even think about if he was hammering him or not. He voted very fast and without hesitation. After that it's safe for a scum to not change their vote often, especially since him changing his vote later would not effect the outcome as others had joined in afterwards. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Though I agree with your sentiment. I don't see a vig killing either target. I guess we will find out if anybody claims but I think we need to worry about an SK, not that that changes anything. I definitely don't agree with mitt killing playerboy or odin, if he was vig why wouldn't he just shoot ggtemplar who he has been accusing a lot. And for any other townie, why not kill nvrx or july who have been more suspicious than playerboy and odin. Odin kill seems to point towards both July and nvrx, both people who have been under suspicion and he continued pushing them through the night, but that's only direct and obviously if they were mafia they should have thought about how much suspicion it puts on them. My scum reads on them so far fits them not thinking about it much and just trying to kill. Easily could be mafia trying to put suspicion on them though to push for them, which puts me a bit under the gun. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 17 2013 12:13 Bereft wrote: mafia should only have 1 factional night kill. I just read the mafiascum wiki for C9±±. I believe we are in a TTT setup. 2 goons + mafia role blocker, 1 SK. no godfather. wiki also tells me 50% of setups include an SK. my earlier vig comment was silly. yeah so why couldn't playerboy be the mafia kill? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
We should look into E00 more now that playerboy is dead, as it's evident why playerboy was angry with him. Is it possible that E00 was actually trying to get a cop to come out and succeeded? I'm not sure, as I wasn't thinking about that at all. E00 where are you? Please post thoughts on the night actions and discussion during the night. Can you re-iterate what your thoughts were as playerboy was calling you out for the cop stuff? On October 14 2013 18:02 E00e wrote: Right now it looks like you are not interested in a real discussion because you continue to make cryptic claims. If there is something obviously bad just say it so I can improve. If there is something bad that you for whatever reason dont want to point out right now then just say it. This sounds like a post where you are trying to bait out some form of cop-claim when i read your filter. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 17 2013 12:27 Bereft wrote: "any other setup"?? balla are you purposely playing dumb or did you not read the setup description? the only other setup it could be is T, but TTT is more probable considering expected number of T's are 3.5. ah you're right... i was going off memory from last game and forgot that not every setup has a roleblocker... derp. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Regardless. How is this helpful for us atm? We're not going to know 100% until we have more role claims/flips. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Seuss i'd prefer you comment on the night kills and what you think they mean. Who would do them and why? What do you think about the E00/playerboy topic? Does your previous scum read on July/SagaZ/nyx (i know some of the reads are weak and also some are possibly non-existant now, but still relevant) fit with the kills (I.E. do you think july would kill odin who was suspicious of him even though it would clearly cast suspicion on him)? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
SagaZ you had a SK read on istandwithmitt, now that there's more posts from mitt, what do you think about it, now that there is a pretty much confirmed SK? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 17 2013 15:45 E00e wrote: I will have to time to read and post in ~3 hours. I thought Seuss explained my cop post and I dont understand why you think I tried to out a cop. I literally asked when the cop should come out and did not tell anyone to. I even explicitly stated that I dont want the cop to come out right now then. A discussion about when the cop should come out cannot be a bad thing for town except if we ignore other more important discussion topics to discuss it. I don't disagree. You can see from my response to it yesterday. However, situation has changed now that playerboy is dead. Looking forward to your response later. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On E00e. I was the first one to call him out on the "cop claim debacle" after playerboy's death. If you think he's scum then I'm not scum with him and vice versa. If it wasn't for him, playerboy might not have gotten shot last night (I do have some part to play in this, but by the time i got back I think the damage was already done) and we might have a check. I did not claim july was being careful. You're twisting my words. I was talking about it from the point of view of July being scum, he might not be willing to take a risk that would put him under suspicion on the vote, especially if he felt confident Vonthin was going to get lynched anyways (with two town leaders pushing for him). On odinofpergo kill. Anybody would draw that conclusion. Onlywonderboy did even. I even said that it could be a kill to draw suspicion on them, leaving that as an option. Also, how was GGTemplar "heavily against" the Vonthin vote. I don't see that at all, could you quote me some posts from his filter where you get that impression. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I would put onlywonderboy in a circle with me you bereft. I get a good feeling from him. He's playing very similarly to last game where he got lynched for it. Bereft might not be willing to let him slide for it again but I am. I think he would change a bit if he was scum. I would also put istandwithmitt in there quite tentatively because of his early play. Everybody else I'm weary of. SagaZ has been terribly inactive recently which kind of changes my opinion of him from Day1. July's posting is quite useless as town, IMO which makes me uneasy and I agree with istandwithmitt on ggtemplar. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again. There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy. You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
This is my first SK scenario, so i'm just theorycrafting here. I think it's better to do our best to make sure we don't get an innocent townie lynched over worrying about killing SK versus Mafia. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Yes, SagaZ was clearly being careful with his vote. July could have possibly been being careful with his vote AS SCUM by not switching to Vonthin when he knew Vonthin was town, disagreeing with the vote to kill vonthin just makes his position set and thus even more careful. If he's town, he's not being careful I agree, but I just think you're not seeing the angle I'm seeing. As far as the weak E00e attack... yeah it might be weak, but at least it's something. I'm glad you can see the future and play out all the situations in your head beforehand. And even if you see an easy defense, it's possible that player doesn't see it. Always good to apply pressure, however weak. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 06:53 onlywonderboy wrote: How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power. yeah you're right.. i didn't mean it in that way, i just wanted to deflect the thought that either of the kills could have been made by a vigi | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I did forget to put him in my post about people i've played with before so yeah... fwiw i shared my info on him later. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Ever since last game when Koshi took over Blurry's character and he started questioning everything and posting every thought that's how I've taken to playing the game. It's a very conducive way for town to play and makes it hard for mafia to not play. Granted, I'm not very good at it yet, especially since I'm not getting others to play like it either. I get my thoughts out as I can and I ask questions upon everyone, especially when they are active. So far, only confirmed townies have answered my questions, which sucks. I believe my posts clearly show that i'm trying to process the information. Especially at the beginning of day2. I want to hear what people think, I don't want them to sit around not posting what they are thinking. @July: You need a defense too dude. Plenty of people have questioned you. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
At this point you have both slid through with minimal defense and minimal opinions of your own. July, GGtemplar has a theory on you. Please provide some insight on some of the actions he points out. Nyx... there's been theories on you since day1 and very few of them have been defended by you. They are relevant now. How else can we possibly make a confident lynch now (which we need 100%) without all the suspicious people posting defenses? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I've been trying my best to do so and everybody else should be too. You will have more fun! Seriously. Sorry for the somewhat offtopicness, but i'm impressed is all ^_^ | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 13:46 istandwithmitt wrote: You guys need to seriously start making shorter posts. Who was the guy who scumslipped at the beginning of the day? We should lynch him. Falling back into old habits, eh? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:58 istandwithmitt wrote: The guy who was like "woah there has to be an SK because playerboy died" when there's no way to differentiate scum/SK or a vig kill. Obviously knew that the other kill was from the mafia. I can go back & look but~~ @istandwithmitt: You realize that the person who did that (Bereft) is very likely confirmed town, unless he's lying about his RB or a townie roleblocked him, and it's been a whole 24hours with no counter claims so that chance goes up even higher. Plus, there's certainly a way to differentiate between vig kill and other kills just based on information you have elsewhere. On top of that, the possible slip was because he assumed playerboy was killed by SK and mafia killed Odin right away. Regardless, it doesn't matter, since he was roleblocked. Do you really think it's reasonable to not believe the roleblock with no counter-claims? On October 18 2013 22:18 Bereft wrote: this post is bizarre. why would I post a rebuttal to my own case? to do so would only feed Balla material for his own defense. I did explicitly state that if fellow townies disagreed with me and felt that they could see themselves doing the same thing to let me know. what's your opinion on this? do YOU think it's a scum slip or a justified course of action for town? On top of that, he's literally doing exactly what you deemed as a scum slip to vote me. Except even I wouldn't interrupt a case like that. His next post is odd too, don't you think? On October 18 2013 14:29 July617 wrote: Nyx and mitt's voting style is going to screw with town if they are town, and my thought's are that i'm sure they are 70% town, why? Simply because of the bad voting style, would mafia (if they were) vote so poorly? This is a contradiction in itself. If their voting styles are bad and will screw with town, then they are mafia because they aren't helping town? What? That's like saying "man this guys posting sucks and he's really not pro-town, so he's probably not scum because scum would think better". No. That's not logical. How do you hunt for scum then July, pls explain? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 16:40 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i'm a vanilla townie, for realsies. voting me out would end the game right away, though i will go along with the vote if you and Bereft agree on it. Seuss... i'm on board and I think you just need a bit more support to get things rolling. I'm very comfortable using my vote like this as there is a good 10 hours or so before the vote. I realize that I am under heavy suspicion right now and casting my vote first even before other supposed townies is strange, but we need to get discussion started. ##vote: nyxnyxnyx Nyx, this defense is even worse than no defense. You haven't said anything in regards to the night actions, and your accusations on day2 (hell you didn't even say much about your accusations on day1). Gives us more. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
I only wanted to use my vote as a pressure vote and you trying to start a train like this makes it hard. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
The odd thing is which I think they didn't think about was that roleblocking you would confirm you. Why confirm a strong townie over a weaker one like OWB? It's clear they thought you were a blue. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 00:48 istandwithmitt wrote: @Balla: there's no reason to blindly believe a roleblock claim. It's weird that he would claim in the first place (do vanillas get roleblocked??). I think his slipping wrt claim is the scummiest thing to happen in the game so far & I don't get it if you guys don't agree. ##unvote ##vote: Bereft Just to clarify: if you are roleblocked you get a PM saying "You have been roleblocked" regardless of whether or not you have a role or how many people roleblocked you. For all we know he was roleblocked multiple times and a townie is not calling it. It's for this reason if you are RB'ed you should claim it, because it can possibly clear two townies. It's only a slip if he is scum. He already explained his gut reaction that explains it. After that it's up to you to decide whether it was a scum slip or genuinely a gut reaction. I think it was a gut reaction for sure. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 00:55 E00e wrote: @Balla I just put my vote on the person im most certain and your post reminded me of voting. I dont think its a bandwagon if you have this much time left to change the votes. On the first day I actually voted on Nyx before you (being the second person after Vonthin) and you then said you agreed with me. Isnt it strange you would get that wrong? Ah you're right after I go back again lol. I went back and saw my big post and assumed I had voted then. My bad T_T | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 01:16 onlywonderboy wrote: This post actually makes me believe SagaZ is town. He's right, I've been been way too quiet and have been coasting for most of this game. I've been quick to follow Seuss because he's town and I know he's an incredibly analytic thinker, but that's way too passive play and doesn't really do much to help the town. I tried to get some discussion going with differentiating the mafia/SK kill, but that broke down quick and it turned out I was likely wrong. Honestly I'm as surprised as him I'm flown under the radar and really that's just bad play on my part. I'm still working on rereading the pages to try and get more scum tells, but I can at least put forth I think SagaZ is town based off this post. Gah... OWB you are literally the most bland townie player ever haha. You shouldn't have backed down from your pressure just because he calls you out. Stop being a pussy man ^_^. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 02:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote: gonna say it again, voting for me is a mistake. gona sleep now If you're gonna go to sleep.... well you're probably gonna die. But at least tell us why you would prefer lynching E00 over someone else... | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
How do you expect "two better players" to differentiate between scum and you if you 1) Don't explain yourself and answer questions. 2) Continue to do scum things like "voting symbolically" without making your own opinion because you don't read the thread enough. Again, we are ALL new to this game. The only player who has played more than 3 games is Bereft, and he's played what... 4? For most people, this is their first or second game. It's not an excuse. For example... why wouldn't you vote me instead of E00e if it's just a symbolic vote? We are both voting you... what difference does it make? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 03:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if it makes you happy ##unvote ##Vote: Balla24 like i said, no difference to me. i'm basically blind since the 2 people i'm following (Bereft and Seuss, after Odin's death) have not voted / are voting for me. Ugh... out of all the things I said you chose to do this? So unhelpful... You're not even playing the game by not even thinking about any reasoning for anything. @Onlywonderboy this is the kind of thing i'm saying. It might be his 1st game but by your 1st game you were at least trying to form your opinion AND you were being defensive about things. He might be uncomfortable but this is completely ridiculous. I made a perfectly reasonable post for him to answer to and all he does is vote me for it T_T. You would have never done that on your 1st game, however uncomfortable you were. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 05:40 Bereft wrote: that was my argument actually. but I realize now that my argument assumes mafia thought (like playerboy and I did) that you were soft claiming. which may not necessarily be the case - because going back and rereading your filter a second time, it doesn't come off like a soft claim after all. I think at the time I was largely convinced by playerboy aggressive reaction. I guess the question that faces us now is that if we think nyx is the SK (as I think there's a very slim chance he's scum), would we prefer to target him instead of a potential scum read? if he's our safest bet right now at avoiding a mislynch I would be fine with it. Wait what? I thought your argument was based on the fact that he wasn't roleblocked which means he's part of the scum team. What does it have to do with whether or not scum thinks he was soft-claiming? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
GGTemplar: Balla24/E00e were both in a mafia circle alongside onlywonderboy, however onlywonderboy has made what I believe to be pro-town contributions today that I noted in my previous post. Both Balla24/E00e have given me no such vibe. In fact, the only distinguishing factor between Balla24/E00e for me at this point is the quantity at which they post and give their thoughts. What pro town contributions do you think he's made? | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
What? His best post was in regards to finding SagaZ suspicious, and he immediately dropped his pressure on him. He follows it up with random postulating about possible options. I don't see what you see I guess. He doesn't even share his thoughts on the popular opinions. FWIW, I do think he is town, but not for those reasons and I've shared my reasons before (i believe him to be town due to my previous experience with him, more of a feeling then any concrete evidence though). I just don't think your theory holds much weight when you ignore my contributions to town. Also, I read E00e as town. As much shit as I gave him earlier for the cop thing and bandwagoning on me, he defended himself well. Those are the only things I had on him. If we don't want to lynch nyx, then I'm going to put my vote on July for now (i'm definitely willing to jump back onto nyx still if we can't a consensus going). Oh and if there's ever any doubt about nyx being SK, he left his vote on me and admitted it was completely random before going to sleep. ##unvote ##vote: July617 I'm very weary at GGtemplar as well, but I don't think that's a lynch I can push atm. July is inactive. I'm hoping for some kind of post from him before deadline so I can get a better read. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 07:21 Seuss wrote: That was only the thumb vices. We haven't used the rack or the iron maiden yet. Hahaha. You turned me to pissed off to laughing and smiling fast. But still. Fuck you! ^_^ Let's look at July: this guy has less than a page of filter, with a lot of one liners. I'm reading over it now. The only hard stance he has taken was against istandwithmitt, as soon as that vote didn't go through, he backed off. After that he hasn't taken any more. All he's done is tentatively marked people as town. Remember this fishy post that Bereft originally pointed out (he completely ignored it so far): On October 18 2013 10:18 July617 wrote: Sorry guys, quick post - long day, need a shower. Bereft that's a good framework of thinking, i'm just asking questions here, but if the same were said about you what's your defense to that? Balla I hope you've got a defense as well . And what I pointed out before: On October 18 2013 23:58 Balla24 wrote: This is a contradiction in itself. If their voting styles are bad and will screw with town, then they are mafia because they aren't helping town? What? That's like saying "man this guys posting sucks and he's really not pro-town, so he's probably not scum because scum would think better". No. That's not logical. How do you hunt for scum then July, pls explain? Since then, he hasn't posted at all. It's hard to get a read on him, I know, but at least pressure him instead of me (with your vote, feel free to continue pressuring me without your vote as I'm quite sure i've made it clear I will respond to your pressure). | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 07:44 Seuss wrote: Fair point, we have three people who don't have votes down with three hours to go. GGTeMpLaR and onlywonderboy are at least around, so I will assume you gentlemen will vote shortly. ##unvote ##vote July617 Once July617 has voted with his reasons, I'll be on hand to swap, GGtemplar put his vote on E00. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 07:47 E00e wrote: I am still around if you need my vote for anything that you can convince me of. Can you share your opinion on July and SagaZ? You haven't mentioned them much. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Read filters, share your thoughts. POST!! What do you guys think about the 2 posts i pointed out? Pressure me if you still think i'm scum (which I know lots of people still do). Ask questions!!!~~ There's only ~2 hours left till vote. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 09:10 Seuss wrote: The fun part is he has two hours to figure out that Oh Wonderboy isn't a player. Haha, I almost think he's drunk or something... | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 09:11 Bereft wrote: hahaha i love this guy (July, not you, Balla). is it bad that i didn't even pick up on that mistake?? hahahaha dude i'm laughing so hard i don't know why | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 09:13 July617 wrote: EBWOP Balla I quoted you because you asked me what i thought , Vote ##onlywonderboy Yeah, I got it now when I read deeper into what was quoted exactly. I was just confused on what specific part you were responding to but I think I got it now. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:13 July617 wrote: It's simple my thought was I didn't want nyx to die, I never wanted him to die but we lynched him because he was bad town . Same reason we wanted to lynch mitt, again more bad town . We can't lynch bad town anymore, we've still got an SK and mafia running around, the last thing we want to do is get bogged down in more bad town lynching . So why didn't you try harder to defend him? Can you expand your read on OWB please? We couldn't afford to lynch town yesterday, we got lucky because SK had to be in our favor with the mafia #s. If he hit town we are dead. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:03 onlywonderboy wrote: Suess dying was inevitable, he was an easy target for the mafia tonight so that isn't too shocking. If we're already talking about the next lynch, I still say we pressure July super hard. I was confidant in my vote on him and nothing has really changed my mind there. It would take a lot to convince me he's neither scum or SK. Don't you feel that if you were to read him as town from the start, his play last night certainly fits the profile? I don't know... i'm kind of changing my mind. Again, I've been re-evaluating all of my reads and I'm not just yet ready to share. I was seriously expecting nyx to flip SK (well after I saw Seuss switched obviously). | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:54 July617 wrote: But why? Quote me some things, anything.I just think it's not bad town play it's him actually being mafia, his bad town play doesn't sit right . | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Point #1: Here is what initially tipped me off: On October 19 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: I tried so save nyx, I really did. I was totally right that he felt that same way I did my first game. So that means there is still a potential SK out there, so who is the main suspect now? A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: On October 19 2013 08:18 onlywonderboy wrote: That's fine by me. I'm fine with going for nyx. If july gets mod killer and flips town we can focus on balla. Was posted right before july "defended" himself. This is the OPPOSITE of trying to save nyx... if this ain't a slip then I don't know what is. He left his vote on July at the end of the day, but he it didn't really seem like he cared who got lynch one way or another, even though he claims to have tried to save nyx. Here's another post that seems out of character for him: On October 20 2013 12:45 onlywonderboy wrote: For real. SK hitting mafia is a godsend for the town. Point #2: The SK kill N2 is GGTemplar While yes, GGTemplar is mafia. I'm quite sure we can get more information out of this kill then just "SK wanted to kill a mafia". On day2, GGTemplar was literally the only one to mention OWB as a possible scum (I didn't check E00 but I don't really recall him accusing anybody but me). The only other person was July, but since july is under suspicion, killing him wouldn't be a good play for SK. Notice OWB's reaction to his posts that mention him by looking at owb's filter: NADA. He doesn't even blink. I believe that SK was less trying to target a mafia then he was trying to get the suspicions quiet. If he was trying to kill a mafia, then why wouldn't he have targetted myself or July, who were both on the verge of getting lynched whereas GGTemplar had 0 votes. You'd have to be very confident in your own reads to make a shot like that. The only person who was confident on GGTemplar was istandwithmitt, which is interesting to note if someone wants to make a case for mitt. Point #3: Deflection On October 18 2013 13:02 onlywonderboy wrote: Damn, I really wish I had more to add (I know people have been calling out my lack of posts), but I'm just not coming up with much. nyx and july still seem scummy (or SK-y) and haven't really defended themselves much so not much has really changed there. Still, even if one of them is mafia, that still leaves two more of them out there. Everyone seems to think Odin was the mafia kill and playerboy was the SK kill, but I'm not so sure. If the SK goes for Odin (who seems like the obvious mafia target), they are able to put a lot of pressure on july and nyx basically for free. It doesn't matter to him whether or not they are town or mafia, this kill increased suspicion even more and may lead to a lynch. Of course, if either july or nyx are actually mafia, it would make sense for them to kill someone else to take some of the heat away from themselves. Waking up and finding odin dead would certainly hurt this plan. At this point, everybody was pretty sold with good reasoning on why Odin/playerboy were the mafia/sk kill respectively, IIRC. This seems like a feeble attempt to try to get people to consider more situations then what was reality. I say this because he drops it relatively quickly after Seuss refutes one of his points. That's all i've got. I also read this: On October 18 2013 06:53 onlywonderboy wrote: How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power. As a soft-vigi claim originally, but the fact that there has still been no vigi kill makes me skeptical of that. Let me know if my logic is flawed or something, but with this.. ##vote: onlywonderboy | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: I tried so save nyx, I really did. I was totally right that he felt that same way I did my first game. So that means there is still a potential SK out there, so who is the main suspect now? What kind of townie would ask the town "who is the main suspect for sk now"? When a presumed scum flips townie, I immediately re-think my reads and form my own opinions. This seems to me like he's not even thinking about who the possible SK is because he knows who it is. He wants to know whether or not there is another SK target he can push, and if there is any suspicion on him so he can decide how to play. Weird WEIRD question. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
If I was bereft, the most confirmed townie (even though istandwithmitt is still pushing that lol).. i'm just going to sit back and let everyone talk so I can make my opinion on them. Make his job easier. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 22 2013 06:28 July617 wrote: Yes there is Did you not see nyx's death ? And Istandwithmitt's almost death ? Building cases against town's is to the detriment of the town itself, you're giving suspicion where there is none, and that's how you end up lynching townies when they have no business being lynched at all . Dude that's the whole point of the game. Scum will build cases on people regardless of whether they are town or not (bussing) to appear more town. Sorry I've been away. Bereft, can you explain why you think SK is either me or owb? Also, has anybody considered mitt as SK like I asked about in my post? He could certainly be SK: playerboy went hard on him and then he voted for playerboy, he went after GGTemplar on day2 and now he's dead. Possible trend. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
But yes, July, the fact that he's not building a case makes me more suspicious of him as SK. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
[QUOTE]On October 22 2013 05:09 E00e wrote: if there's at least one other townie who can be around at the deadline we'll have a shot to not get rolled by town.[/QUOTE] wat Kappa | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 22 2013 07:49 onlywonderboy wrote: There's nothing incriminating with ggtemplar, but he could very well be the SK and not mafia. There's nothing concrete but there's certainly a lot of random posts that don't help the town. SK has the luxury of being able to just sort of hang out and let the mafia/town destroy themselves. You've picked apart a lot of my posts trying to make me out as the SK, but that was me just trying to contribute and apparently failing. Meanwhile July has just been watching on the sideline trying to swing the vote towards a townie. No. If he's SK he wouldn't care who gets voted. Unless he knew that "townie" was actually mafia and he needs to even up the mafia/town ratio. However, he wasn't trying to lynch anybody yesterday as it was already pretty much assured that someone was going to be lynched, so putting his vote on you could possibly be a safe way to say "I don't care who gets lynched". Nyx had a lot of random posts that don't help the town either and he was actually town. I don't really see how this situation is any different than Nyx's. This time you're not defending him though you're going for him. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 22 2013 07:56 Bereft wrote: ***by mafia hahahah oh gawd. I swear that's not a scum slip. I suck at multitasking. STFU SCUM !!!!!!!! | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Why don't you have that gut feeling for July though? It's like just cause he's not mentioning the fact that it's his first game and he feels weak because of it you don't have that feeling. I would argue that you should have had that feeling for July and NOT nyx. Let's look at their posting: Nyx - Nyx sheeped onto Odin then Seuss/Bereft - Claimed he didn't have any reads on anybody all game because he didn't know how to. - Had non-existant defenses July - Is making his own very weak reads - Has very weak defenses - Is not sheeping. July looks WAY more like a bad, inexperienced town player than nyx did. - Has weak defenses | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 22 2013 08:33 onlywonderboy wrote: I think nyx's bad play was him not knowing what to do, July's seems more like he's trying to look like a town player and just failing. I felt much more like nyx in my first game and was why I sympathized with him. I mean, it could have easily been a mafia ploy, but his frustration ended up being genuine. Really? Because to me it doesn't look at all like how you were playing. You at least tried to defend yourself. You came up with your own reads. I was ok with it when you first brought up how you sympathized with it but I don't know... it just doesn't sit right with me now. I wish others would chime in though on this case, because I feel like i'm tunnel visioning. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:17 Bereft wrote: I can't believe July was the SK and he was willing to get himself lynched d2! Ya July was pretty ballsy | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:19 onlywonderboy wrote: I did, July has one shot bulletproof T_T Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. T_T. Man I wish I was town this game seriously... can't believe I get mafia for my first 2 games T_T. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:30 onlywonderboy wrote: Although that said town would have probably been pretty fucked considering how almost everyone thought Balla was town. Nahh duude Bereft and Seuss were all over me even after I feel like i defended myself well :/ | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Regardless of if the modkill rule is correct or not... it's a rule and you should have known it since it's on the OP. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 24 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: Lol balla24.. all that SK setup speculation was void  I know... T_T and I had the feeling there was vig still lol.. shoulda shot my SK read ^_^ | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 24 2013 00:52 Bereft wrote: I laughed so hard at so many things Seuss said.did anyone else crack up when Seuss called mitt a "social pariah" or was that just me? (think this happened day 1) This was my favorite: On October 19 2013 07:21 Seuss wrote: That was only the thumb vices. We haven't used the rack or the iron maiden yet. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
Well see ya. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 24 2013 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: istandwithmitt: I suggest you join normal games instead. You played probably the best D1 from all the people. There is a reason players like you and me are being "hated". You made clear cases and managed to say same things in 10 words other people used 500 words on. In addition to that, the cases were spot on (not necessarily 100% correct as on scum, but correct in what you said). You nearly got lynched for it (lol). I would suggest, if you are not able to be around (or don't know if you will), place your vote at the start of the day. It's a rule and whether or not you like it the rules should be followed. The 1:1 with vigi scenario, i can understand your point of view, i can understand the other one too. I dunno which is better - as i think rules should be followed - why skip a day phase then if mafia does not win by equaling the town? If people make those kinda rules then there should be a vote race, it's a rule that whoever has the most votes first gets lynched in case of a tie. Nowhere does it say in some scenarios the day phase is skipped. I get the point and i agree with it, but it's pointless to discuss it, draw has been declared already. ^^ very true... fluffy long posts are awfully good for mafia to hide in. If it weren't for his inactivity and not answering other people at all he would have been the scariest town player from a mafia perspective. Too bad it was too easy to flip his attitude/activity on him to the point where most people were just ignoring him. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 24 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself? Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him... I'm not disagreeing that he was concise and correct... it was just super easy to discredit him because of his attitude.. | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 24 2013 07:57 Blazinghand wrote: the real trick was top stop trying to shoot scum and instead shoot scum deep coaching | ||
|
Balla24
2322 Posts
| ||
| ||
