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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Grack means: "The reasoning for Palmar his townreads is pretty consistent with why I think these guys are town. Maybe Palmar does give a shit and has been reading the thread. My only point that he is scum might be shattered." Both of you can thank me later by never voting for me again. ever. this means as long as you are alive. ever. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:45 Koshi wrote: Oats mean that it is logical that a scum knows who is town. So nobody is going to say: "oh shit this guy that I think is scum is really good at figuring out who is town." Grack means: "The reasoning for Palmar his townreads is pretty consistent with why I think these guys are town. Maybe Palmar does give a shit and has been reading the thread. My only point that he is scum might be shattered." Both of you can thank me later by never voting for me again. ever. this means as long as you are alive. ever. Yeah you're right. Palmar is way too much of a dumbass to be able to come up with town reads as scum. You have correctly identified my thought process and my alignment. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:48 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah you're right. Palmar is way too much of a dumbass to be able to come up with town reads as scum. You have correctly identified my thought process and my alignment. Wh0t you t0lking ab00t? Isn't that why you said his townreads were good? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:49 Koshi wrote: Wh0t you t0lking ab00t? Isn't that why you said his townreads were good? I wasn't saying anything at all about why his town reads were good. I saw his list post and moved around reads as I saw fit. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On September 30 2013 01:48 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah you're right. Palmar is way too much of a dumbass to be able to come up with town reads as scum. You have correctly identified my thought process and my alignment. it's possible you are being sarcastic here but palmar is actually a pretty good player | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:07 Blazinghand wrote: it's possible you are being sarcastic here but palmar is actually a pretty good player I am being sarcastic because Koshi was implying that Palmar giving out reasonable town reads should make Palmar town. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I wonder why towns are doing poorly lately... | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote: I find myself in a catch 22 where if I contribute people will think I'm scum and if I don't contribute I am a good "policy lynch" I wonder why towns are doing poorly lately... that's just WoS. I will be judging you based on how intelligent I think your posts are  Comment on my case. Good/bad/total shit from obvious scum on Koshi's scum team. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote: I find myself in a catch 22 where if I contribute people will think I'm scum and if I don't contribute I am a good "policy lynch" I wonder why towns are doing poorly lately... just contribute and fuck da police | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:14 Grackaroni wrote: that's just WoS. I will be judging you based on how intelligent I think your posts are Comment on my case. Good/bad/total shit from obvious scum on Koshi's scum team. I don't know his playstyle but if you were quoting me for example, that wouldn't be scummy because I do not push lynches, in Palmar's case I don't know if that is true or not. Your case depends a lot on the personality of a player and I'm not a fan of those, hence why I would not vote for yamato. If on the other hand hiro or FT flip scum at some point, then yes Palmar should be heavily scrutinized. It's really just a null case dude. Nothing to be seen there unless you can cross analyze it with Palmar relentlessly pushing people in his town games. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Is it night or day? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't know his playstyle but if you were quoting me for example, that wouldn't be scummy because I do not push lynches, in Palmar's case I don't know if that is true or not. Your case depends a lot on the personality of a player and I'm not a fan of those, hence why I would not vote for yamato. If on the other hand hiro or FT flip scum at some point, then yes Palmar should be heavily scrutinized. It's really just a null case dude. Nothing to be seen there unless you can cross analyze it with Palmar relentlessly pushing people in his town games. You think that if those people flip scum Palmar is scum because he is trying to soft-bus them and push for them without actually getting them lynched like me /w BH correct? I think he is more likely scum if they are town. I think he is scum because rather than looking for scum he is looking for people doing strange things to attack when he can't even explain why the things FT/Hiro/Me do make us more likely scum. He's uninterested and it shows. He normally chooses the day1 lynch and the best he's done so far is prove that FT is an illogical player for choosing to vote SP over me because there was a lot of people discussing me. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote: Hey grack you seem pretty active, give me a summary of where we are now? We are in the night phase Not really sure where we are at right now. I think the day 1 lynch was likely between 2 townies so it's hard to get much information from it. You can read what I think of Palmar; Mr. CC would also be an useful filter to analyze because I haven't gotten a good feel from him and he has not been discussed at all. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:31 Grackaroni wrote: You think that if those people flip scum Palmar is scum because he is trying to soft-bus them and push for them without actually getting them lynched like me /w BH correct? I think he is more likely scum if they are town. I think he is scum because rather than looking for scum he is looking for people doing strange things to attack when he can't even explain why the things FT/Hiro/Me do make us more likely scum. He's uninterested and it shows. He normally chooses the day1 lynch and the best he's done so far is prove that FT is an illogical player for choosing to vote SP over me because there was a lot of people discussing me. And that is why all the RNG talk was a huge nuisance, it made it impossible to get any decent reads on people day 1 since it was such a clusterfuck. Anyone that has any concrete reads after that day 1 is either lying to themselves or trying to gain allies. If Palmar was scum and often chooses the day 1 lynch then surely he would try to push one of these people if they were town? but oh wait everyone was too busy messing around with RNG lynching koshi so it's a null tell. Everyone should be uninterested at this point because it was a boring/unreadable day 1. I'd say people that are still interested look scummier at this point and I don't care if you disagree, as that's the state of the game from my point of view at the moment. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
That said, grack also has a pretty good chance of being scum. There's his reasoning around voting koshi, which really strikes me as trying to push the koshi lynch without being connected to the random lynch itself in case it goes belly up. If he's telling the truth about his koshi read, he's spent a lot more of the thread talking about why koshi is scum than Yamato. He has much more well developed read on koshi than on Yamato, and yet once Yamato is leading on votes he doesn't try to persuade people, he just pops over to Yamato with a lol. Like, his most recent post about yamato before voting him was On September 28 2013 07:39 Grackaroni wrote: Quit reaching. I was going to switch regardless because Yamato came back and started doing things. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:34 Grackaroni wrote: We are in the night phase Not really sure where we are at right now. I think the day 1 lynch was likely between 2 townies so it's hard to get much information from it. You can read what I think of Palmar; Mr. CC would also be an useful filter to analyze because I haven't gotten a good feel from him and he has not been discussed at all. What hanged your mind on koshi? Your last post about him was basically "shit koshi is town" | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:43 strongandbig wrote: Ok I sti think palmar is scum, my case still stands. Fracks case contributes additional evidence to my argument that palmar is putting a lot of energy into "pattern finding" but doesn't ever use it to actually find scum. It seems like no one really disagrees, and palmar hasn't really been arguing with me directly. That said, grack also has a pretty good chance of being scum. There's his reasoning around voting koshi, which really strikes me as trying to push the koshi lynch without being connected to the random lynch itself in case it goes belly up. If he's telling the truth about his koshi read, he's spent a lot more of the thread talking about why koshi is scum than Yamato. He has much more well developed read on koshi than on Yamato, and yet once Yamato is leading on votes he doesn't try to persuade people, he just pops over to Yamato with a lol. Like, his most recent post about yamato before voting him was Koshi posted some reads right before my switch which scum don't normally do and my case wasn't that strong to begin with, Koshi's case on me was weak and he was really sticking to it but it was entirely possible he was just having a bad day1. If you want to look for a random vote it's when I voted Palmar when Rayn told me to just for the fun of it. My idea for random lynch is probably worse than an actual random lynch. My plan was always to have someone randomly selected and have extra pressure on that person rather than the usual inexperienced player that attracts all the attention and judge things from there. On September 27 2013 07:40 Grackaroni wrote: don't fight the random lynch. Ease into it and we'll all be happier! Lots of analysis comes from random lynches. The lynch doesn't just fall into place when somebody is RNG'd what happens when a person is randomly selected. how will people react. will people flip-flop or will they go through with their vote. Could lead to one of the most informative days 1s ever. Probably a dumb idea but I couldn't just come out and say: "Hey I want to random lynch but I might actually not vote for the person being random lynched" | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On September 30 2013 02:45 strongandbig wrote: What hanged your mind on koshi? Your last post about him was basically "shit koshi is town" That was from the flip-flop on his firm scum read on me and saying he would provide real reads. Which is just admitting that he wrote out some not very well thought out reads at the last second to avoid the lynch, and I think scum would not want to admit this and stick to what they posted. | ||
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