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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 09 2013 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I would do CC first over austin. 2 scum claiming scum stanks of big plays, and CC outting his scum partner falls in line with that kind of thinking imo. Read over mr.CC filter and filter s0lstice/chairman ray and also the post where he announces s0lstice as scum. all very fishy and tell me what you think. Austin on the other hand has played like absolute shit this game and has contradicted himself one too many times. also constantly mentions both s0lstice and chairman ray. Could go either way. not sure who I want to lynch first but we'll see what happens. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 09 2013 06:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Read over mr.CC filter and filter s0lstice/chairman ray and also the post where he announces s0lstice as scum. all very fishy and tell me what you think. Austin on the other hand has played like absolute shit this game and has contradicted himself one too many times. also constantly mentions both s0lstice and chairman ray. Could go either way. not sure who I want to lynch first but we'll see what happens. You know it's funny that I'm instrumental to scum victory when I want to lynch you, and someone whose opinion you seek when I don't. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Outed scum Hasn't tried excessively hard, just posts when he needs to Cons: Asks s0lstice and chairman ray weird questions with no follow up and their interactions are stupid as fuck. Like really weird stuff. Non-existant after getting rid of s0lstice | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 09 2013 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: You know it's funny that I'm instrumental to scum victory when I want to lynch you, and someone whose opinion you seek when I don't. well you know im town now so I don't need to call you dumb anymore. You just need to work with town now and get over it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Firstly, I would just like to tell you guys that I'm actually town, and the whole scum-claim thing was just a ploy. I am not a part of the remaining scumteam trying to claim the other scumteam. I am town. The reason why I did it was because at the time, WoS, austinmcc, Paindain, and VA were all onto me. Since everyone else besides CC is confirmed town, there 2 or 3 of you that are actually scum. This means that there's no point for me to convince you guys that I'm town when your objective is to get a mislynch on me. Due to my drastically lower skill level at mafia, there's a good chance that you will succeed in this, so I had to think of a crafty maneuver to avoid this, so this is it. By claiming banger and saying that I'm just gonna be vesting, it avoids the scenario where I get shot by cop. The last banger will think that I'm on the other scumteam fakeclaiming. The other scumteam may think I'm actually the last banger, and may alter their play. I'm the only one that knows I'm actually town. Due to this I can sit back and lurk and watch the thread to see if anyone gives an indication of scum. The other scumteam will try to play as if I am the last banger. The last banger will play as if I am in the other scumteam. Town will play as if I am the last banger. Nobody actually knows that I'm town, so this gives me a good reading advantage. For example, a member of the other scumteam may try to say that there's no point lynching me because I'm just going to be vesting. They benefit from having the extra KP so they may try to do this. To anyone who's town, it would be very obvious to lynch me simply because who the hell would believe what a scum says? If you are town and you are reading this, think about it. When you saw that I claimed to be the last banger, did you consider keeping my alive as a viable strategy? Probably not, because I sure wouldn't. Guess what happened: On October 08 2013 14:47 VayneAuthority wrote: what KP are we lowering exactly? he said he's just going to vest every night. If koshi kills scum tonight I will be gunning for the last scum on the other team, not CR. Add that to my list of Vayne suspicions. The reason I am outing this now is because the best case scenario happened - the last banger got killed. That was a good job from Koshi. Now before I continue posting my reads, I need to prove to you guys that I'm town, or else I'm gonna get mislynched and my reads are just going to be ignored. If I am on the other scumteam, it wouldn't make any sense for me to do this sort of play. I would not crumble under the pressure. Look at my other two games. I was under flak from everyone and I kept fighting. I wouldn't flop under this little pressure. Especially since I still have another player who's alive on my team, and the last banger is alive as well. There's a good chance to win, and I still have a partner to support me. If I am on the other scumteam, all I'm doing is throwing town a free kill. I would also be putting the last banger at risk. The last thing I want is for the last banger to die, because that lowers our chances to win more than myself dying. The least I would do is to at least try to fight it out. I wasn't a total scumread at the time, so it was really premature to give up. The other thing that wouldn't make sense is why I decided to give up before night ends and not after. The optimal play for the other scumteam would be to have me give up after night ends so that cop doesn't have a better read. Additionally, if I was scum, I would still have a partner left. Which one of you would let me do something like this? Anyways, I could probably muster up a lot more reasons why I am town, but if you guys have any more doubts, feel free to ask away. Now onto my reads. Today we just need to lynch one of the two remaining scum. My biggest read is currently still on VayneAuthority. I will continue where I left off from my previous reads. This is the last thing he said to me: On October 08 2013 12:44 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont really equate this to "everyone that believes you is an idiot" I pointed out plenty of contradictions in your thinking ray. His original reply to my reads was here: On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote: alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here. 1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1 2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2 3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3 I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me. I already responded to it here: On October 01 2013 14:42 Chairman Ray wrote: 1. I said that if FT goes after the good players, he would look town, but he obviously isn't since he's going after ShiaoPi and myself. Sorry if my original post was confusing, I would edit it for clarity if I could. The reason is because has been the #1/#2 lynch candidate today and any effort to try to get a lynch on a strong, townish player would be wasted. This does not really apply to you right now. 2. It's not just caring or not caring about the game that points me to believe you are mafia. I think everyone in this game should care about the game, otherwise why would they join it in the first place? You seemed to care on the first day, so why don't you care now? What made the difference to me wasn't whether you cared or not, but rather that you were vocal about it. This seems very mafialike to me. If Koshi were to come out and say that he doesn't care much anymore, and he's just going to chill the rest of the game, I would question him as well. 3. The reason I think austin is town is because he was a replacement. You aren't. You showed us you are here, and you are active. Austin had every excuse to continue to lurk. That's why I think he's town. I would definitely like to hear more if you have something in mind. and here: On October 01 2013 15:08 Chairman Ray wrote: Another thing Vayne, I notice that you sound a bit defensive. I don't think I was being rude or condescending. All I did was post my read on you. That's sorta what we're supposed to do in a game of mafia, right? I don't understand why you need to "tear me to shreds", or say that my post is easy to debunk, or tell me to stop bothering you. Why would you want me to stop bothering you anyways? Is my trust not important? I think that you are not actually a big meanie. You are a very nice person who's sounding mean as a strategy. If I was in your position and I was town, I would probably want the trust of everybody, even lesser experienced players or players that post weaker reads. But if I was mafia, maybe I would construct a post to intimidate someone from giving any further reads on me. A few other things. Why did you say you could do more, but withhold all your other information? Do you not want to give me more reasons to trust you? Personally, I think that's a part of the ploy. Think of it as one gunner telling the enemy that he has plenty more bullets, so he should back down, but his holster is actually empty. Any and all information is quite useful to the town right now. If you have more information that paints you as town, I would love to hear it so I could trust you and go after people that are more likely to be mafia. Why was your first reply about who else I thought was mafia? Personally if someone had a scumread on me, the last thing I would worry about is whatever other people they have a read on. Seems like mismatched priorities to me. I think you were trying to get another person into the picture, or to see if I slip, so you can attack that and divert the attention off of you. So basically, I think your conversation with me thus far has been heavily masked and constructed, and that's because you are mafia. I still haven't gotten a reply for those two posts from VA yet. But just to add on, I notice that to defend himself from the first read, VA pointed out contradictions instead of why my reads are wrong. Pointing out contradictions are a way of discrediting someone, and doesn't actually attack their reads. This is a misdirection tactic. If It was town, then if someone had reads on me, I would try to give him any explanation that I am town. That's the most pro-town way to play. Now if I was mafia and someone had reads on me, I might start pointing out fallacies, contradictions or try to attack other things, because that's pseudo-defending myself without actually offering any tangible information. I mentioned a lot more examples of Vayne doing this in my quoted reads. The thing is that he's been doing a lot of this throughout the entire game. This is completely scum play. Also look at this: On October 09 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote:Chairman ray he shot, he's lying Right here, Vayne believes that I shot somebody as the last banger instead of vesting up. Even though Pandain flipped banger, Vayne seemed to not have paid attention to it. Probably because in his mind he is absolutely certain I am the last banger, something that would only occur to scum. But that can go either way, so I have something even better. How did he know that I shot instead of vested? We already established that mafia had to up 3 KP. Only 2 town died. How did he know that a team had 2 KP and didn't shoot both of them? It's because one of the town flipped he doesn't recall shooting. I think this is a scumslip. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If you guys are too dumb or scum to see it i can't help you. Which one of the non-confirmed townies (+Vayne) can give me reasons why? Now is your time to shine and gain some town credit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid. You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire. I didn't really play Noire, I got lynched D1 and stopped following the thread. Sorry if fakeclaiming was a really bad idea. But the thing is that we got the last banger last night. Maybe if I didn't fakeclaim, I would have been shot, or someone else would have been shot. But this is the best thing that could happen. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On October 09 2013 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay CharimanRay. Who is the last scum alive? CC. I'm reversing my read on austinmcc now. If he was scum, he would know that I'm not. He put so much effort into proving that he cannot be scum with me. It was looking like I was going to be the next lynch, so once I flip town, all his efforts would have gone to waste. His best move as scum would be to find other things to make him look town, because there's a 99% chance that I'm going to get lynched before he does. I have a lot more confidence in austinmcc now. I still think the whole solstice thing was planned out. VA obviously didn't play a big part of it or benefit much from it. So that means that the other person had to have either played a big role in the solstice interrogation trying to push the vote to someone else, or they had to have looked good as a result of it. CC shines here. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I need to read. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 09 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: We lynch CR because wew have a mislynch. Don't even think about anything else. This is another fucking ploy to derail the discussion. Just stop. You're the one trying to derail discussion by saying there is no other option. I'm not going to policy lynch CR this close to LYLO. If you're not willing to bend, just shut the hell up and let me talk to those who are. | ||
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