Thug Life Mini Mafia - Page 276

On October 09 2013 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rayn if you must say something, explain to me why Vayne CANNOT be scum. The idea that you're willing to give unconfirmed town townie points for affirming your confirmation bias is fucking bad. Explain to me, now, why VA is 100% town to you.

On October 09 2013 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

First of all, CR is scum. Second, Vayne is not scum with him. That is impossible given the interactions + Vaynes stance on Pandain.

It is beneficial for the 3-man scumteam to sacrifice people over saving Pandain. It gives scum more KP in total, and once the last banger sees the other team is helping them they help each other until town is not in such a good position we are. It doesn't matter if you have 3 people alive, it's more beneficial to have one guy hiding and the other (1-man) scumteam alive for double KP. It also creates a lot of wifom due to night actions.

This went to shit when Koshi shot Pandain. There is no other scumteam anymore. When CR gets lynched we are 5-1 instead of 5-1-1 (which is a good spot for scum -- if well hidden). As scum, you do not want to remove KP, even if it from a different team, especially as you have in 2 last phases helped out the other scumteam to survive (remember, me and Vayne were gunning hard for Pandain lynch RIGHT after Noir ended and never let go of that -- and never wouldn't). If Solstice would not have fakeclaimed on D4 we would have lynched Pandain. Trust me, we would have done it. That would have been incredibly bad spot for remaining scum. 7-3, cop alive, you have 1 KP, 4/7 of the town is confirmed, there are vests. Imagine it?

ChairmanRay is scum, Vayne is town. That's a fucking fact. Because Vayne was gunning hard for Pandain lynch, and that would not have been good play if Vayne is scum with Sol/CR. Also VE, trust me, the other team had figured out Pandain is scum.

On October 09 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation.

If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow.

On October 09 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation.

If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow.

On October 09 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think it is more likely that Chariman Ray, the guy who plays his third game of mafia in teamliquid, decided the best action for the town in N4 is that he claims scum? Seriously? Like, what if Koshi shot him because scum? What? Good play right there?

On October 09 2013 08:35 Chairman Ray wrote:


Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain.

I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town?

On October 09 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not even read what you wrote because if you fakeclaimed scum it's beyond stupid.
You very well know what is wise and what is not as you have played in the clusterfuck Noire.

On October 09 2013 08:35 Chairman Ray wrote:


Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain.

I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town?

On October 09 2013 08:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

He's just taking a page out of YOUR book, Rayn.
Do you see what kind of precedent you set?

On October 09 2013 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote:

Can you explain what you mean by the bolded?

On October 09 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I may have fakeclaimed, but i do not claim fucking scum!
If you claim scum it affects people's reads. Also nobody will ever trust you again in this game. That's all you get for claiming scum as town. There is no way anyone should ever claim scum as town "to not get shot" or "to get someone else shot". This is fucking bullshit.