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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^

Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
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AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 03:38:49
February 11 2014 00:24 GMT
#661
Wall of Axle inside.
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 10 2014 12:22 iGrok wrote:
Everyone pushing to ban Coag for a "seal" is an idiot. YOU CANNOT BAN FOR WIFOM.


Um hate to disagree on a point of pedantry but "YOU CANNOT BAN FOR WIFOM." actually 'we' could.
'we' could ban everyone with K in their login name....:O
it would be nuts, but we could do it.....
+ Show Spoiler +
Also not sure me saying we or you saying you, is quite right as unless GM says 'yep' its not happening... and GM isn't stupid, or wasn't the last time I checked so....


On February 11 2014 04:03 Coagulation wrote:
I find it amusing how emotionally split tlmafia is on the issue.


I find it <blink blink>

Life and mafia are WAY more complex than that.

I think mafia is meant to be "Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions."
I think that because it is the first sentence of many OPs,
but then I read OPs

Both Grushes Starsense and your seal of approval + Show Spoiler +
BTW it was news to me and I had not noticed you only post it as town... Go me ... meta reading Coag like a Boss not.

Appear somewhat and directly incompatible with the 'guessing' part. It really would seem like you and grush were not quite playing the same game as the rest of the people were.
However one of the interesting things about mafia and all such interpersonal process games is the full variety of tactics people can use. What is also interesting to me is observing not just how a game is played by a person, with a personal strategy, but also how strategies evolve over time. They also evolve individually and as a group. The fraction of the player base that currently lurks as town, has real implications for what other strategies other people will find personally beneficial to adopt.
If I dive off into evolution for a sec, sickle cell anemia is bad for you (its an inherited recessive genetic disease.) and it shortens your life span.... It really ought evolve out of existence except...
unless you live in an area with malaria in which case then having one copy of the recessive gene is a favored condition (grants partial immunity(reduces severity) to malaria).
Depending on how much malaria there is will control what density of sickle cell genes will be stable as the risk of having the disease (two genes) is balanced by the benefit for the larger number of people with one.

Everybody posting seals of approval and lurking like a MOFO, is not playing mafia.

Is one person per forum, adopting that strategy a recessive enough condition that it may benefit the person more than it draws them the ire of their peers. Time will tell.

What I find amusing/interesting is that Coag finds it fun to play game and waste(from my perspective) even the small amount of whatever he puts into the game by backing himself into a meta where he no longer has the opportunity to play the game and live by his own wits, now he has to post the seal or die. I am not sure I am seeing the fun, but I am not Coag and apparently, it is, floating his boat.

@Grush
@Coag.

BTW when grush tried to stop posting his starsense he found town compelled him to by threatening to lynch him.
If Grush Coag or anyone finds themselves backed into a meta corner (of any kind) and cant see how to get out and make their game fun for themselves again PM, me. Normally there is an obvious way when you think about it right.

Grush for instance tried refusing to post it and was threatened with the lynch, he caved as he was town.
What he need to do was pay the price and get lynched a number of times as town.(which is maybe a bit against Wincon kinda sorta. (well it feels wrong))
or
The real (brave) solution was to state pregame that from now on he would post it no matter what his alignment. And then post it every game until he rolled scum a few times.

Are Starsense and seals of approval things I want to play with?
I think mafia is meant to be "Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions."
They do however appear to have generated an epic levels of controversy... so they are less uninteresting than lurking so bad you get modkilled, so they are not my least favorite thing by quite some distance. They might not even make the top five.

That ^^^ was said as a player:
Also when acting as a host, if after I have balanced game, a player signs up and rolls mafia, who has such seal/(ANY purposeful trivial meta tell) they are a purposeful dead weight to scum and a benefit to town as they are effectively an innocent/guilty child added to my setup. So let me just say that when I host a game, if that is your meta and you sign up, you better hope I like you personally (as I find you add to my games host_wincon+ Show Spoiler +
Yes hosts have a wincon, its good game that was fun and balanced and stuff.
in other ways), as your meta plays AGAINST my host wincon of running a balanced setup. Picking a fight with me, the game host, is usually a bad plan. Nothing personal, its just my host wincon to run a good balanced fair game, and players choosing to have such metas directly work against it, well they work against my host wincon... and I only mention it as I thought you ought know in advance.
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Note: Just to be clear how unpersonal it is. I have pondered how I would/could/should balance games when players such as Hapa, might sign up who have very different capabilities as town and scum.That distinction is not a purposeful arbitrarily and trivially implementable one as posting some specific tell but then, when scum, refusing to play to your town meta. So I have no problem with such people signing up as its not really a choice they made. Signing up players who have chosen to make it harder me to run a good game with them in it, is more problematic for me.
It is however the same genera of problem its just one I can see I already have to have ways to cope with. (although seals raise it up a notch, and make an existing problem worse.)
+ Show Spoiler +
Note if you want to ban Coag, for playing against wincon then do it when he plays scum and purposefully wont play to his town meta, and hence effectively claims scum.



And then there is ...
On February 10 2014 20:27 Acrofales wrote:
This whole discussion is retarded. If someone doesn't want to play as scum, there is really no way of enforcing it. Plenty of people get caught out as scum, because they just plain give up. Are we going to be dishing out bans for those people as well?

Starsenses, baby seals, etc. etc. aren't bannable: they're policy lynch material. Deal with it ingame, not by QQing on the ban list.

which while true, does not quite turn out the same, as failure to post seals does not prove townieness. You cant insist in game "That SealPosterChild immediately post seals if they are scum, or we wont lynch you!!! There take that!"
As such those things kinda breaks the game less. But yes people giving up when they're scum is a problem, even the same problem, and it has no rule based solution.
But if everyones going to do that then there is no game to be played as we all sign up and say so "who rolled scum?"
<Some one posts baby seals> <we lynch them> then we go again... (not seeing the fun)
There is in some sense a social contract and responsibility that you have entered into when you signed up, with your other players (even those on the opposing team) that you will not just piss their time and commitment down the drain and that you make game of it, by trying at least a bit.

Also just to clarify at some point posting baby seals is for some players the best strategy once they are 'caught', as they in their own judgment will just give more association tells(spew?) if they don't.
but yes some players cave quite early and seem not to try to play scum. (or RL burned them, when they happened to be scum, I can never tell which is which. I played scum badly in ego.(worse than i could have at the time if I had time and energy.))



Addendum (added much later) + Show Spoiler [The other Side] +

Arlo Guthrie.... once said.

Listen from there (13:13) out to 16:00 ...


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 11 2014 00:48 GMT
#662
Nice spiel Axle.

I have never seen Coags town seal either; regardless, Coag has a discernible meta difference between town and scum.

Seal isnt required.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 11 2014 11:17 GMT
#663
On February 11 2014 09:24 AxleGreaser wrote:
There is in some sense a social contract and responsibility that you have entered into when you signed up, with your other players (even those on the opposing team) that you will not just piss their time and commitment down the drain and that you make game of it, by trying at least a bit.

Indeed.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 11 2014 14:58 GMT
#664
Axle thread MVP for that comment.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 14 2014 12:30 GMT
#665
btw, this discussion came up a long time ago too. I think what happened is that one player gave another a guarantee that he's town in a PM game. I think it was sandro and syllo. One of them said to the other "I don't normally do this but I'm going to promise you that I'm town".

Now here's the problem with this. I don't think we can outlaw this kind of behavior, but do you guys honestly want mafia games to devolve into wifom fests, and/or do you want to risk ending up on a team with a seal-poster who then refuses to post one and doesn't get lynched?

I simply don't understand why people would want to have the game played like this. I'm amazed we need to be having this conversation, as I thought most of us cared about how to make the community and the games we play as fun as possible.

Axle's point quoted by marv says it better than anything I could write. We're here to have fun. I think it sucks a bit that we have to regulate/ban ourselves into having fun.
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 14 2014 15:52 GMT
#666
Some people's idea of what is fun runs counter to others'
Writer@WriterYamato
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 15 2014 00:58 GMT
#667
Like me for an example. I have the most fun being a disruptive troll, however this tends to destroy the fun of others.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 15 2014 01:01 GMT
#668
Hijole
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 15 2014 06:29 GMT
#669
On February 15 2014 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Hijole

Si, es muy dificil... Yo muy feliz en muchas Trolling y otros muy enojados

No queré enojados
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 19:30:19
February 22 2014 19:25 GMT
#670
For GSL Mini Mafia IV:

Standard Inactivity Bans for Hapahauli (smurfed as DoNotPanic!), QuantumPope, and SideSprang for being inactivity modkilled.

Warning for Mattchew. Although he didn't get modkilled, he was very lucky to get lynched before that happened. He was very inactive.

Standard Behavior Ban for Vivax420 (Hydra of Vivax and Kush). After being warned to not use homophobic language, they continued to do so. Their language would not have been acceptable on any TL forum, and their modkill lost the game for their team. If one of them was responsible for both incidents, just ban that one.



I could see downgrading Hapa to a Warning or upgrading Mattchew to a Ban. I would certainly LIKE to ban Mattchew but he didn't get modkilled. Although Hapa was replaced (rather than getting modkilled), it was due to inactivity, and if he hadn't been, we'd have had a replacement available for another afker.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 22 2014 19:48 GMT
#671
If you downgrade Hapa's ban you will face the wrath of Geript.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 19:58:18
February 22 2014 19:55 GMT
#672

"dicksucking" and "gayfk".


Lmfao

iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
February 22 2014 20:17 GMT
#673
I came here to make a gay joke, butt fuck it.

User was temp banned for this post.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 23 2014 00:08 GMT
#674
On February 23 2014 04:48 Grackaroni wrote:
If you downgrade Hapa's ban you will face the wrath of Geript.

Nah, I'm over it. The system is bad and unfair but that's how people apparently want it. BH can do what he wants but I for one support his Vivax 420 ban.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22011 Posts
February 23 2014 00:26 GMT
#675
First time I see somebody getting banned for saying "x is sucking his d*", I would say it was a common derogatory way of saying that you're buddying somebody, and have seen plenty of people use it in that context on this forum. But maybe the rules got stricter now.

Since it wasn't signed I won't say whether it was me or kush, but he's free to say who wrote that stuff.

And anyway, that game wasn't going anywhere for real, so I'm not even mad. 4 modkills, 2 townies that got lynched and didn't care.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 23 2014 00:55 GMT
#676
On February 23 2014 09:26 Vivax wrote:
First time I see somebody getting banned for saying "x is sucking his d*", I would say it was a common derogatory way of saying that you're buddying somebody, and have seen plenty of people use it in that context on this forum. But maybe the rules got stricter now.

Since it wasn't signed I won't say whether it was me or kush, but he's free to say who wrote that stuff.

And anyway, that game wasn't going anywhere for real, so I'm not even mad. 4 modkills, 2 townies that got lynched and didn't care.

I think the point is that you (or kush...whatever) were specifically asked to stop and kept doing it.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 23 2014 00:59 GMT
#677
Also we all know it was Kush. He talks and types that way, you don't.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 23 2014 01:29 GMT
#678
Yeah. Now i use the term cockblock a lot. Is this deemed homophobic?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 23 2014 01:35 GMT
#679
On February 23 2014 10:29 Mocsta wrote:
Yeah. Now i use the term cockblock a lot. Is this deemed homophobic?

To me its not. Its sexist, but not degrading.
VIVAX420
Profile Joined April 2013
556 Posts
February 23 2014 01:36 GMT
#680
WOH WOH NO.

I did not say s someone's d. I said why are you dicksicking his case? I dont see how this is any different from "dick riding" which people use all the time. In fact, I would argue that dick riding was a more serious sexual maneuver.

ALSO I was warned for that, I dont agree, but Okay. Then i said gayfk. HOW IS THAT EVEN BAD. That doesn't even have a bad word in it.

Also "dicksucking his case" isn't homophobic. Actually you are homophobic if you think that is homophobic. NOthing wrong with consensual oral sex and I don't konw why you are implying that it's between two men or what is even wrong with that if you are.

User was banned for this post.
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