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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^

Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
~GMarshal
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 12:46:24
June 04 2015 12:37 GMT
#2461
Reading through the raised points, I feel like SL should be banned for 1 vet game and 2 more newbie games. If that is possible.

On June 04 2015 21:06 plotspot wrote:
I kinda feel I'm also responsible for this indirectly with me testing out stuff. So in my opinion it was really not malicious intent from SL but rather impatience and a sudden surprise, when he thought the game was pretty much over, that led to this. SL already implied he wanted that game over early into N4.

This is the first time I played with SL. Although I believed in his honour, as it will also be reflected in this future games, I couldn't be 100% sure. If I knew him any longer I'm pretty sure I'd just leave it at the BF block, and not perceive him as an dangerous element in the off-chance he is the mafia.

Sure I think SL PMing BF was wrong, but it was for reasons of impatience, maybe a bit of anger, but not malicious intent. 2 Gane-Ban is fine?

I don't think so. It's a newbie game, you're supposed to try and find out what's good or bad.

On June 04 2015 21:24 sicklucker wrote:
Thats just him being a sore loser

The only ounce of symphony I have is that it was in a newbie game.

Wow.

____

I don't want to brawl here now. I don't know how punishments work. But also imagine I wouldn't have been scum but a townie and Disinformation would've been the true mastermind. My CC would be a stupid newbie move because I was tunneling on you. With your PM to me, you would've confirmed your town alignment to me. There are so many scenarios where your behaviour would've damaged the game even more than it did, lots were mentioned already. Please concider that.
Remember D3, when Plots was all sure tics is scum and I am mason? Terribly wrong but he insisted on having solved the game. You went down the same road. Imagine you were wrong :/.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
June 04 2015 12:50 GMT
#2462
On June 04 2015 21:37 boxerfred wrote:
Reading through the raised points, I feel like SL should be banned for 1 vet game and 2 more newbie games. If that is possible.

Don't think that's possible.
This is the way I see it: The ban HAS to be more than 1 game long because this is definitely a worse offense then let's say an inactivity modkill. So at least 2 3 games and I think 3 would be better. If BH is right and the warning makes it so that the ban needs to be longer -> 3-4 games. 4 I agree is probably too much. Just make it 3 in total and I don't think he can complain about that result.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 04 2015 12:52 GMT
#2463
On June 04 2015 21:24 sicklucker wrote:
Thats just him being a sore loser

The only ounce of symphony I have is that it was in a newbie game.


sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 04 2015 13:18 GMT
#2464
Why would a town ever do that when we had auto no one really cared the order we lynched . Like it didnt matter. If you didnt lose I doubt you complain to the mod and get me banned. Oh well ;p

Like if I received this msg no one would have ever heard about it because it was between us
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 04 2015 13:24 GMT
#2465
So like. Mafia clearly complained to the host because of the 40 minute delay and the conference and all that. Then when the game is mathematically over for mafia you decided to go 1on1 with me when disinfo would have been the easier lynch.

I was probably wrong but at the time I took it as a personal attack/ sore loser play that after I won the game by surviving the mafias last ditch effort push on me. You target me of all people in a pointless effort.

I was also in a shitty mood due to perosnal shit.

Whatever no regrets ban me forever for all I care its just a game ill keep on playin as long as it fun
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 04 2015 13:28 GMT
#2466
"like whats your fucking problem dude concede your just being totally bm right now"

thats the pm for you drama queens go watch big brother. Making a big deal out of nothing
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 04 2015 14:04 GMT
#2467
On June 04 2015 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
sicklucker taking his defence lessons from the kushm4sta manual


+2
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 04 2015 14:05 GMT
#2468
On June 04 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:
...

I was probably wrong but at the time I took it as a personal attack/ sore loser play that after I won the game by surviving the mafias last ditch effort push on me. You target me of all people in a pointless effort.

I was also in a shitty mood due to perosnal shit.
...


But really, you don't get to complain about someone taking something overly-personally when you did the same damn thing yourself.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 04 2015 14:30 GMT
#2469
At least he's sorry about what he did. I think 1 game ban and a harsh scolding is punishment enough?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 04 2015 14:32 GMT
#2470
On June 04 2015 23:30 batsnacks wrote:
At least he's sorry about what he did. I think 1 game ban and a harsh scolding is punishment enough?

I got the opposite impression.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
June 04 2015 14:32 GMT
#2471
On June 04 2015 23:30 batsnacks wrote:
At least he's sorry about what he did. I think 1 game ban and a harsh scolding is punishment enough?

trolololol
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 04 2015 14:35 GMT
#2472
On June 04 2015 23:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 23:30 batsnacks wrote:
At least he's sorry about what he did. I think 1 game ban and a harsh scolding is punishment enough?

I got the opposite impression.


He's just bad at expressing his true emotions maybe.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
June 04 2015 14:53 GMT
#2473
On June 04 2015 22:28 sicklucker wrote:
thats the pm for you drama queens go watch big brother. Making a big deal out of nothing


Casting for Season Two has begun! Think you’ve got what it takes? Then what are you waiting for?!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 04 2015 15:05 GMT
#2474
delicious banlist drama
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 15:18:04
June 04 2015 15:16 GMT
#2475
On June 04 2015 22:18 sicklucker wrote:
If you didnt lose I doubt you complain to the mod and get me banned. Oh well ;p


At no point did I, personally, receive a direct complaint from boxerfred. Nor did cakepie or Kelsier as far as I know. To my knowledge the first we heard about the PM was when he conceded in-thread stating that he was fed up of being harassed over it. And there was very much a feeling of "oh crap, surely he didn't..." when we heard about it.


Like if I received this msg no one would have ever heard about it because it was between us


Your argument is that if it was the other way around then he'd have gotten away with breaking the rules because you wouldn't have said anything. This is somewhat nonsensical to me since even if he had gotten away with it its still against the rules. Just because nobody finds out doesn't mean rules haven't been broken and they're there for a reason.


On June 04 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:
So like. Mafia clearly complained to the host because of the 40 minute delay and the conference and all that.


What 40 minute delay are you talking about here? Genuinely confused. The only real delay in the game I can think of resulting from an actual game-related issue that required some discussion was when BF made the vote between bunnies and you even and there was brief scare because comments made in scum QT made it look like the rules in the OP had been messed up somehow; so we double-checked them to make sure the tie-break rules were absolutely clear. And that was twenty minutes at most.


In any case from my perspective I think justanothertownie has it right. We came to the conclusion of a request for 3-game ban was suitable given the fact its a fairly serious explicit breaking of the rules, coupled with the incidental effects on newbies. The quoted warning makes it +1 but 4 sounds way too many. Although the thing with HtS makes it even worse than we'd first thought.

I'm with Half the Sky from a few pages ago. It was awfully disappointing to see things go this way, especially from someone who I honestly thought was better than that. I'm sure it was just a mistake, a few moments of lack of judgement, but ultimately the rules are there to be followed. :-\
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
June 04 2015 15:21 GMT
#2476
On June 05 2015 00:16 -Celestial- wrote:
In any case from my perspective I think justanothertownie has it right. We came to the conclusion of a request for 3-game ban was suitable given the fact its a fairly serious explicit breaking of the rules, coupled with the incidental effects on newbies. The quoted warning makes it +1 but 4 sounds way too many. Although the thing with HtS makes it even worse than we'd first thought.

If 3 is the ideal amount, and 4 is "way too many", what is a bit too much? Slightly too many? 3.42?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 04 2015 15:30 GMT
#2477
3 is a minimum 6 week ban that's crazy. SL believed the game was over this was the same as sending a PM post game from his pov.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
June 04 2015 15:37 GMT
#2478
On June 05 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 00:16 -Celestial- wrote:
In any case from my perspective I think justanothertownie has it right. We came to the conclusion of a request for 3-game ban was suitable given the fact its a fairly serious explicit breaking of the rules, coupled with the incidental effects on newbies. The quoted warning makes it +1 but 4 sounds way too many. Although the thing with HtS makes it even worse than we'd first thought.

If 3 is the ideal amount, and 4 is "way too many", what is a bit too much? Slightly too many? 3.42?

If 3 is the ideal amount and 3.42 is slightly too many, what is slightly slightly too much?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 04 2015 15:39 GMT
#2479
On June 05 2015 00:30 batsnacks wrote:
3 is a minimum 6 week ban that's crazy. SL believed the game was over this was the same as sending a PM post game from his pov.

While the game may have been effectively over barring immense stupidity, it wasn't over. You can't try to argue that he's thinking that either. His PM is with the intention to get someone to concede.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
June 04 2015 15:42 GMT
#2480
I see batsnacks is going with the diminished responsibility approach.
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