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Message GMarshal if you request a ban please ^_^
Also when the game you're sitting out is over!
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On June 05 2015 00:39 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 00:30 batsnacks wrote:
3 is a minimum 6 week ban that's crazy. SL believed the game was over this was the same as sending a PM post game from his pov. While the game may have been effectively over barring immense stupidity, it wasn't over. You can't try to argue that he's thinking that either. His PM is with the intention to get someone to concede.
SL believes the game was over before he sent the PM he's said it several times now. I think this is similar to if BF dragged out the day till the end, gets lynched, and SL pms him post game saying "you suck for drawing the game out why so BM?"
I mean yes, clearly SL did something wrong especially considering it is a newbie game. It is boxerfred's right to not concede and I wouldnt have conceded personally but a minimum 6 week ban for this is insane. I don't think SL had bad intentions I think he just got frustrated and made a small mistake.
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i dont even remember posting in this thread, i dont know why i get notifications for it all the time
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2 games, put on a sex offender register watch list in case of serial offence. Doesn't matter what he thought or whatever anymore. The point is you never pm people in an active game that you are also part of about the game until it is completely over.
Hopefully he somehow learns this.
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How about 1 game ban and he has to do vote counts in a second game?
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How about a 5 game ban but bats sends him nudes?
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im going to make a nudes themed game when im done with tl then get perm banned.
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5 games for artistic nudes 7 games for full frontal.
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On June 05 2015 01:10 batsnacks wrote:
How about 1 game ban and he has to do vote counts in a second game?
He already has warning so no.
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On June 05 2015 01:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 01:10 batsnacks wrote:
How about 1 game ban and he has to do vote counts in a second game? He already has warning so no.
Do banned people have any responsibilities in the games they sit out e.g. vote counts? A little community service doesn't sound like a terrible idea.
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No since there are co-hosts
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On June 05 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 00:16 -Celestial- wrote:
In any case from my perspective I think justanothertownie has it right. We came to the conclusion of a request for 3-game ban was suitable given the fact its a fairly serious explicit breaking of the rules, coupled with the incidental effects on newbies. The quoted warning makes it +1 but 4 sounds way too many. Although the thing with HtS makes it even worse than we'd first thought.
If 3 is the ideal amount, and 4 is "way too many", what is a bit too much? Slightly too many? 3.42?
3 seems like an appropriate amount within a statistical value of significance (+/- 5%). Therefore too many would be over 3.15 games and way too many would be beyond a 10% significance value, so 3.30 games.
...my head may or may not still be in "thesis writing" mode. >_>
On June 05 2015 00:46 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 00:39 geript wrote:On June 05 2015 00:30 batsnacks wrote:
3 is a minimum 6 week ban that's crazy. SL believed the game was over this was the same as sending a PM post game from his pov. While the game may have been effectively over barring immense stupidity, it wasn't over. You can't try to argue that he's thinking that either. His PM is with the intention to get someone to concede. SL believes the game was over before he sent the PM he's said it several times now. I think this is similar to if BF dragged out the day till the end, gets lynched, and SL pms him post game saying "you suck for drawing the game out why so BM?" I mean yes, clearly SL did something wrong especially considering it is a newbie game. It is boxerfred's right to not concede and I wouldnt have conceded personally but a minimum 6 week ban for this is insane. I don't think SL had bad intentions I think he just got frustrated and made a small mistake.
Just to note that sicklucker had also apparently contacted HtS outside of the game earlier than this to try and pressure her as a coach to get the scum team to concede (though it turned out she wasn't the scum team coach). At least this is what HtS claims a few pages back.
I mean I can kinda understand one single stupid PM in a moment of pique that is later regretted but everything here seems to imply this wasn't one moment of silliness but a more general disregard for the rules because of frustration at the lack of conceding.
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On June 05 2015 01:06 Holyflare wrote:
2 games, put on a sex offender register watch list in case of serial offence. Doesn't matter what he thought or whatever anymore. The point is you never pm people in an active game that you are also part of about the game until it is completely over.
Hopefully he somehow learns this.
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On June 04 2015 21:06 plotspot wrote:
I kinda feel I'm also responsible for this indirectly with me testing out stuff.
This has nothing with you. It was a newbie game, and newbies trying things out comes with the territory.
On June 05 2015 00:30 batsnacks wrote:
SL believed the game was over this was the same as sending a PM post game from his pov.
This is a huge problem, don't you see? If it was okay for a player to send PMs just because they believed the game was over, what kind of precedent would that set? What if the player was wrong about the game being over? It would be alignment-confirming information by PM, ruining the game.
I said this already, but when someone is immersed as a player in the game and directly affected by in-game events, their judgement is often clouded. They can, and often do, have wrong reads, wrong solutions.
The rules are clear. You absolutely do not PM or otherwise discuss the game outside of it.
On June 05 2015 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
If 3 is the ideal amount, and 4 is "way too many", what is a bit too much? Slightly too many? 3.42?
On June 05 2015 02:02 -Celestial- wrote:
3 seems like an appropriate amount within a statistical value of significance (+/- 5%). Therefore too many would be over 3.15 games and way too many would be beyond a 10% significance value, so 3.30 games.
So, if the numbers suggest a threshold of 3.15, how about 3.1416? As in, pi? Pie? Mmmm...... pie...
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On June 04 2015 21:03 sicklucker wrote:
I was pretty nice to the newbies... I dont think outside of ticktock any of them have anything bad to say about me where is this coming from
Im not on trial for my manners here
Nice to newbies? In your own head, maybe. I don't think anyone who objectively looks at the reactions of the newbies post game would disagree that you treated them poorly. HtS already did the hard work and pulled a bunch of quotes here.
If you actually read the ban request and my other posts here carefully you would have seen that your treatment of newbies is definitely being raised as an aggravating factor here.
On June 04 2015 22:18 sicklucker wrote:
If you didnt lose I doubt you complain to the mod and get me banned. Oh well ;p
There was no PM complaint from anyone, the first inkling that any host had that this was an issue was in the concession post, where we first heard about you sending PMs to other players.
As the host, I acted because you broke the rules. It's as simple as that. Leave the other players out of this.
In fact, you seem to be trying to ascribe blame for this mod list action to the fact that someone complained about you (again, untrue) rather than face up to your own actions...
On June 04 2015 22:18 sicklucker wrote:
Like if I received this msg no one would have ever heard about it because it was between us
... like right here. This looks like "it's not my fault for breaking the rules. it's someone else's fault because they ratted me out."
From this and other remarks you have made: you seem to think that it is okay to break the rules as long as you're hanging out and shooting the shit with cool kids like you and it'll be just a-okay if nobody rats anyone out and no one else finds out.
Let's be clear here. We have standards in this community. You're not "cool", you are the deviant here. You are wrong to have this attitude and that needs to be fixed.
On June 04 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:
So like. Mafia clearly complained to the host because of the 40 minute delay and the conference and all that.
Assuming you are referring to the delay of game at the D4 lynch / N4 night post. There was no complaint in that instance. Host were just a) being extra careful with the lynch due to confusion, and b) discussing possible action for plotspot's infraction. And as my cohost Celestial already mentioned, the delay was 20 minutes, not 40. Stop misrepresenting.
This and that are two completely different and unrelated things; don't go dragging irrelevant matters into this.
On June 04 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:
I was probably wrong but at the time I took it as a personal attack/ sore loser play that after I won the game
Which is why you complained to me by PM, good. And then you went and took matters into your own hands, not good.
On June 04 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:
by surviving the mafias last ditch effort push on me. You target me of all people in a pointless effort.
If someone thinks they have a chance by doing something, they have a right to try it. Not for you to judge.
As the "pointless" target, your job was to persuade the other town that you are correct, and convince the scum that they have lost. By playing civilly in thread. Not by haranguing in thread and by PM like you did.
It is a newbie game, let newbies learn.
On June 04 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:
I was also in a shitty mood due to perosnal shit.
Irrelevant. Plus, I urged you to go chill out, and warned you to be civil and not break the rules. You didn't listen.
On June 04 2015 21:15 Breshke wrote:
Not that my opinion matters but a problem I see here is that SL still seems to be justify what he did therefore i'm led to believe he still doesn't think he did anything wrong.
Very much this.
I am loathe to do this and come off seeming like some vengeful host hell-bent on punishment, and it is going to leave a very sour taste in my mouth. But in additional to the original issue of PMing another player and mistreating newbies, we are now also looking at the additional infraction of also contacting a coach outside the game.
sicklucker flagrantly flouted multiple rules, and continues to be unrepentant and obstinate about it. Rather than acknowledging the full severity of what he did, he has been trying to come up with various excuses and justifications, pushing blame around. He first ascribes blame to some notion of BM on the part of the last scum (untrue), then tried to blame it on the other player complaining and making a big deal out of nothing (also untrue). He has clearly shown that he thinks it is alright to break the rules, as long as it is kept among "cool people" and it's okay as long as no one finds out about it.
sicklucker has demonstrated, and continues to demonstrate a complete disregard for the rules and the established etiquette within our community. He needs to be sent a strong message that such behavior and attitude is unacceptable.
The aggravating factors here are many. sicklucker has had his chance to speak out, but has only made things look worse.
Accordingly, I can now say with confidence that I unreservedly push for a 3 game ban.
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host wants 3, that's usually what happens :/
i'd say 2, personally, but i'm not important \o/
as a random sidenote...and because lol yay devil's advocate xP
if we could send pms in-game to other players in-game (*cough* i know i've sent one after i was dead, bad me) i'd totally use that to "confirm" myself town as scum lol ><
why not?
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On June 05 2015 01:29 batsnacks wrote:
A little community service doesn't sound like a terrible idea.
I don't know if it's still a thing, but there's this.
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On June 05 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:
host wants 3, that's usually what happens :/
i'd say 2, personally, but i'm not important \o/
as a random sidenote...and because lol yay devil's advocate xP
if we could send pms in-game to other players in-game (*cough* i know i've sent one after i was dead, bad me) i'd totally use that to "confirm" myself town as scum lol ><
why not?
I recognize that makes little sense.
My point was a pm is really no different from a forum post, except it's private.
Like sl broke the rules. Done. But is the rule itself really valid? If you're scum and not aware of what you're saying you're just bad lol and if you're not...how do people tell the difference?
I dunnae maybe i'm missing something key here.
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On June 05 2015 03:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:
host wants 3, that's usually what happens :/
i'd say 2, personally, but i'm not important \o/
as a random sidenote...and because lol yay devil's advocate xP
if we could send pms in-game to other players in-game (*cough* i know i've sent one after i was dead, bad me) i'd totally use that to "confirm" myself town as scum lol ><
why not? I recognize that makes little sense. My point was a pm is really no different from a forum post, except it's private. Like sl broke the rules. Done. But is the rule itself really valid? If you're scum and not aware of what you're saying you're just bad lol and if you're not...how do people tell the difference? I dunnae maybe i'm missing something key here.
Yeah you are missing something here. Yes, the difference between a PM and a forum post is that it's private, but that's a HUGE DIFFERENCE. Also, not sure if you read the game, but sicklucker was town that game and was PMing people (including a coach, who was a town coach) in a way that completely fucked up the game. The scum player conceded in part because he wanted the PM harassment to end.
There are PM games and there are non-PM games, and if you don't see why PMing in a non-PM game is a big deal, play in a PM game and see how it's different. Like, legit so much changes when people are allowed to PM. Even regarldess of that, PMing was obviously not allowed by the rules, the dude was warned, and has generally acted like a total dick to newbies.
Even if SL gets no ban for this, I will be very, very hesitant to let him /in for any newbie game I host.
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Marv clearly just trolling for his own pleasure.
I don't think anyone besides batsnacks would feel all that bad if the guy got a 3 game. What he did was clearly unacceptable and apparently he doesn't agree, so...
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