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On August 20 2013 20:17 yamato77 wrote: Explain how you don't understand that survivor claiming doesn't help them at all. Explain why you and Oats are so eager to tell anti-town roles how to play? | ||
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I propose a survivor claim. If there is a dumb enough survivor to claim, it helps town. I have a pro-town proposition and you immediately tell the survivor to not claim. Why? If someone had claim survivor, it would have helped town. If not, so fucking what? It does not change the fact that my proposition is pro-town and your immediate response is anti-town. | ||
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Can you answer me Oats & yamato? How does what you said help town? Do you think my proposition did somehow harm the town? | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:30 yamato77 wrote: What does "helping town or not" have to do with alignment? You have yet to make that connection, even if you think you were being pro-town. lol. Can you see how dumb your question is? Townies try to help town, scum do not. On August 20 2013 20:28 yamato77 wrote: Finding out who the survivor is does not help town, at all, but whatever. I guess you're already in the "too-dumb-to-be-scum" category. If someone claims survivor, how exactly does that not help the town? We just figured out one player who is definitely not town. Did you roll scum again yamato? | ||
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If i ask for the survivor to claim there is no downside for the town: 1) Nobody claims, 0 downside, 0 upside 2) Someone is stupid enough to claim survivor, the possibilities are: - They are really dumb mafia (so not really a possibility) - They are really dumb SK (so not really a possibility) - They are a survivor. Then we can assume there is probably not a SK in the game. We then judge them later on (are they helping town or not). If they are not, we lynch them, if they are - mafia needs to kill them (not kill a townie). What i do not understand is why people feel the need to tell non-town roles how to play (a same situation occured in GoT when Clarity/Xatalos basically told mafia roleblocker to claim JK - or "that would be the only thing they would accept"). I see no point in it. There is basically no town-motivation in giving the "correct" answers to anti-town roles in the first place and i don't see why people do it. For reference, Oats in his post implies Survivor is anti-town. It's clear from what he says. Why does he want to give anti-town people advice on how to play? | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:51 yamato77 wrote: Mafia doesn't have to kill the survivor to win, either. It's like you don't understand that they are completely impartial. The point isn't that we're telling them not to claim, it is that they won't claim and asking them to is actually just a waste of time. The name of the game is mafia, because you're trying to find and kill them, not the survivors. That's why i included it in a post that actually said something useful too. Also that's why i do not understand why people jumped on that part of the post so heavily. If it does not provide anything bad, why comment on it at all? | ||
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I am still honestly a bit curious about Oats. He clearly thought survivor is anti-town role as he said so in his post. I understand your thought process but not his. I would also like to hear what makes me scum in his eyes. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:13 Oatsmaster wrote: uh what? That doesnt make any sense rayn. Survivor doesnt want to help town. Survivor gains no benefit from claiming. Survivor doesnt need to claim rayn. At all. It gains them nothing to claim n0. And probably means they lose the game. I think this is pretty clear way of saying "survivor is anti-town". no? | ||
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Why is this not an upside: "We then judge them later on (are they helping town or not). If they are not, we lynch them, if they are - mafia needs to kill them (not kill a townie)." ? | ||
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On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote: I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem. I want to know how your thought process went: "I think survivor should claim" "I think survivor should not claim" "If i was survivor i would claim in my first post" Also how is SK more of scum's problem than town? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:01 WaveofShadow wrote: No, just wondering what kind of answer you would expect. It makes perfect sense from a town perspective and I've already explained how. No WoS, it does not make any sense from town perspective and you know it. You proposed the same thing in Carnival Cruise. As soon as you learned the roles can act on N0 aswell you dropped it and started scumhunting. You smell scum. | ||
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Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote: What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far? In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn. Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC? Hell, did I ever even mention it again? It's not the point that you changed your mind in CCM. The point is that you DID change your mind in CCM. I think townies learn from their mistakes (as it was a mistake to make the suggestion in CCM). It does not mean shit what you do now after you said we should not talk. The point is Why are you suggesting a same anti-town idea you mistakenly did in another game - why are you doing the same mistake you should have learned from in the last game? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote: The fact that you assume I haven't learned is disturbing to me, Rayn. What do you think of Koshi, Rayn? No, seriously. Why did you suggest that we should not talk? Why are you avoiding the question? I can clearly show from your filter in CCM that you did start scumhunting on N0 when hosts told you also roles can start acting then. You clearly thought you were wrong and staerted acting in the correct manner as town. Why are you proposing the same anti-town idea here again? Just answer me and do not run in circles around the question. I have no good read on Koshi yet. | ||
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If you do not think this is true why say it in the first place? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll run in circles as I damn well please. Am I scum or not, Rayn? Answer me so i can tell. If you do not answer me i am inclined to think yes you are. | ||
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So you do not give people town read for things they say that you like? Do you think WoS and yamato are scum? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting yeah but you do not disagree. you agree with what people point out earlier. that's the difference. | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote: Well, at this point I can only give small percentages of town / scum . Sure, Oats can be pro town atm. WoS is playing anti town. yamato is null though. The comment from WoS doesn't necessarily mean that yamato is scum. Then why did you say yamato is scum? | ||
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Because if you do not you are going to be in deep shit regardless of if i die or not and regardless of your alignment. I see a clear scum motivation in your behaviour and i hope you are going to explain your thought process if you are town. | ||
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If you are, good. If you are not, i can make the case right now and then there is no way back. | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:58 Onegu wrote: You give the no talk thing, then you call koshi scum because he disagrees with because blues have a hard time getting read (i agree with him), and then you dont say much about the previous game rayne talks about when you know people think it is wrong. Did you read the game i am talking about? How do you know i am right ans WoS is wrong because i have given no proof about it? | ||
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On August 20 2013 22:59 DarthPunk wrote: First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game. This game: From Carnival Cruise The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers. This is semi-open setup. In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point. | ||
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You can make the same case on WoS you are making on me right now, except that i am able to dewfend myself and WoS apparently is not. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote: Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. Did you look at Basterd mini mafia, which was between these games. Why not? | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote: If that has some relevant info you should have posted THAT as your explanation. If you think I am going to look through all your games to answer a question for you, you are fucking retarded. No, you asked me why i act differently in this game than in CCM. I explained it to you. Because of setup differences. Then you call me out for "not learning and bla bla bla..", when i actually have already acted differently inbetween these games. If you are going to call me scum you need to get your facts straight. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:30 WaveofShadow wrote: When did I say you were scum? I've seen Koshi's scum QTs and I know how he gets when under any suspicion at all. Elaborate please? | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I honestly can't think of another reason Koshi claimed other than he's worried about the pressure he's under. I've claimed late as a self-aware miller before and it wasn't an issue because my earlier play and continuing play was easily able to assure the rest of town I was town. Rayn. You were just in this fucking game. GoT where kita fakeclaimed to try and get Koshi to reveal himself? Do you honestly need to me to post scum QT logs that you yourself have? Yes, post the scum QT to show us how Koshi claimed under pressure. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:35 DarthPunk wrote: The dissonance in your position does not change with semi-open or closed setups In a both a closed and semi open setup you do not even know if there are any millers nor their number. The set-up being semi-open vs closed does not absolve you of the contradiction In both closed and semi-open setups there may be an investigative role/s. The fact that the set-up is semi-open does not change the fact that you said townies (and millers) should never be checked by a cop. In response to a similiar proposition that you are now using to justify your reversal. Regardless of the set-up being semi-open or closed your explanation directly contradicts your previous belief that one should never claim miller when you don't know THE EXACT NUMBER of millers and that a townie and thus a miller SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED. Instead of giving a simple or reasonable explanation to your shift in policy you have provided bullshit reasons and excuses. And I want to know why. Your case is debunked from Basterd mini mafia where i immediately asked all millers to claim (we knew there was 0-2 millers). Now, do you think WoS is mafia? Or rather, what makes you think he is not. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:48 DarthPunk wrote: You got fucking caught with ridiculous reasoning and backflipping. Now you can't argue that you didn't 100% backflip and then tried to justify it with fallacious and ever changing arguments you pull out the OMGUS. You should probably make a case then. Be sure to read our arguments in this game though. Be also sure to adress the following games as your case is based on meta: LXI, CCM, Basterd, 4 Persona. I give you a hint, 2 first are alike, and 2 last are alike. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:59 DarthPunk wrote: I have made a case. Also don't tell me what to do. K thnks. The setup changes nothing about your arguments and the manner in which they contradict the very premise you were defending. you are trying to make this about meta. it is not. It is about you directly contradicting yourself. For no foreseeable reason. I'm done with you 'input' I am happy to talk to others about it. Apparently you are missing my statement where i clarified my stance to Oats. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). DP did you read this post at all? | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote: rayn, this isnt about which way of approaching miller claims is right. Yes i know. But that's the exact "defense" DP was assuming i would give as town. What gives? | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote: Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages. Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position. On August 20 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2). Now if you are town go find real scum, like WoS. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote: DP assumes you would say something like 'what I did in CCM was wrong' Why the fuck would it matter if what i did in CCM was right or wrong in my opinion? It does matter what i do in this game and for what reasons. I gave pretty clear reason (at least when you asked me) for why i did what i did. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:12 DarthPunk wrote: That isn't what you originally said. IN FACT YOU NEVER ORIGINALLY MENTIONED IT AT ALL. I was clearly talking about your ORIGINAL EXPLANATION so why the fuck you think trying to twist the conversation is going to help you is beyond me. Because BEFORE YOU EVEN CALLED ME OUT FOR MY ORIGINAL EXPLANATION i wanted to CLARIFY IT AS I REALIZED IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD. Am i being clear enough? | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:13 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn, Why is Koshi town? Why did you call me scum? Because Koshi would not claim miller as scum. I am pretty sure of it, at least now. I like his explanation. I called you scum because you are not even willing to investigate the WoS matter. He is clearly mafia as he is avoiding answering questions -> not wanting to prove his towniness. | ||
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Now excuse me, i'm gonna make a case on WoS. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:20 Koshi wrote: This Koshi talking is somewhat boring. But I can answer that. Because I don't call JK when 4 people are telling me to claim it. I am not going to claim something "under pressure" because 1 guy made a case. I simply won't do that. But even if I did it, you guys are seriously overreacting that this is a 100% scumclaim. Dnu how long you are going to keep hammering on it. Oh but i can reference this. Last game Koshi did not fakeclaim Jailkeeper when he was under serious pressure from BOTH town AND his scumbuddies. | ||
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This is one of the first posts from him in CCM: On May 13 2013 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I also don't think I've ever played with a N0 before. Can't remember. Will there be a mafia NK tonight aside from possible power role use? Because if so why are we giving mafia possible targets by talking..? (I guess they could probably knock off known strong players anyway but still.) (Here is a link to the post for the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685¤tpage=11#210 ) After that, when hosts confirm that roles can also act on N0, WoS retracts from his stance and starts scumhunting. If you read the game from that point on it can clearly be seen. This is what i call WoS out for: On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town. Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game? WoS does not want to answer me, he keeps dodging the question, and this is all i get out of him: On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn. Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC? Hell, did I ever even mention it again? Look at the answer. He is saying "look, i am playing to my town meta as i played the same way in CCM". The answer i was looking for (in case he was town was in this post (from CCM): On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. This is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again? Answer is: - Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game". - He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough. - If he was town he could, should and would explain himself. Lynch D1. Or better, vig N0. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote: A fake jailkeeper claim is FAR more complicated than a miller claim. Take it from someone who solo'd a scum win off the back of a fake Jailkeeper claim. The thing is people are accusing Koshi of fakeclaiming here, now, because "he is in fear of getting lynched for it". You do not know the jailkeeper situation, at all. In the last game townie claimed a watcher who had watched 2 people visit a roleblocked townie and if those two people did not claim, we would lynch them. One guy claimed medic (reasonable), another one was either roleblocker or JK. We were screaming to Koshi in mafia QT "fuck you, why are you trying to throw the game, the only way you can survive is to claim JK". Koshi kept his head calm and said "no way i am claiming, the dude is fakeclaiming watcher". He was fakeclaiming. Does this sound like a dude who being called out for something in his couple of first posts would panic as scum and fakeclaim miller? | ||
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WoS on the other hand... Can you now comment on my case? | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:00 DarthPunk wrote: I'm all in on WoS. He has my hypothetical vote until he gives an answer to both the original question, butt more importantly explains his avoidance discussing it. That is the sad part. He can't justify it anymore to me. I gave him multiple possibilities of explaining himself. Now i have given him the correct answer. I am not accepting it any more. :/ That's why expect people to answer me when i ask something about them. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: how pissed while you be if WoS flips town Rayn? tbh very pissed. WoS should know me better and imo would never do what he did if he was town. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:12 Rainbows wrote: Koshi and Rayn are probably town. I think Darthpunk is being stupid by wanting to lynch the miller claim. He's at best a vig shot--unfortunately that is not indicative of Darthpunks alignment. Sn0_man likes to passively finger point at people and is probably scum. I propose you read the whole thread before commenting. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote: between this and this, DP, what changed? Oats DP explained that already. Could you answer me, about WoS case and do you think if Koshi is scum or not? | ||
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Why do you call out people flip-flopping around some things when you do exactly the same on important matters (like a case on WoS)? | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:44 geript wrote: What's your beef? I don't have 80 posts yet? Whatever. Why don't you want to lynch Crazowhatever. Because i am not sure if he is scum, you have not provided a case good enough and WoS is mafia. If you shoot WoS on N0 and make a good case on him i can think of it. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:47 geript wrote: Fuck you Rayn. Tell me why you don't want to lynch Craz Huh. I see nothing that makes me think he is mafia? | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:48 geript wrote: Fristed. Tell me why you think him +1ing WoS stupid no talk N0 idea inst scummy. Also the stupid odd way to claim town. wtf man? Because i have seen townies do it before (WoS). I assume face to face -mafia games start like that. What's scummy in that if he is new? | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:59 geript wrote: I don't play f2f. If he's new it makes him far more scummy because its a random way to hide. Same reason foe why palmar was scum on me in lxi for +1 his read on vivas. Class then work. Your only reason for thinking he is mafia was that "if he is Mocsta he is scum". Why do you now assume if he is new he is mafia aswell? I agree there is a point in you saying "a good way to hide if he is scum", but does that make him scum? Also why did you bring up the "stupid no N0 talk idea" as it's easy to point out it does not make him mafia, i have pointed it out already and you know it as you have read my case on WoS? | ||
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btw i am still waiting for your response to the case.. | ||
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Either you did not read my case at all or you are scum. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:26 Rainbows wrote: While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense. Wait Rainbows. The "first part of the answer" is exactly what you are accusing him of. lol. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote: this case right rayn? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521¤tpage=21#402 yeah. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:33 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah its all WoS didnt answer me. and then you referenced it with another game where he was town and said why his non-answering made him scum. Thats all. no it's not. you are probably mafia.- | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote: thanks for telling me what you think your case is about. Ehh.. i think i was pretty clear in it: "There is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again? Answer is: - Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game". - He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough. - If he was town he could, should and would explain himself." Can you give me a single town reason why WoS would not explain his "we should not talk N0 in this game"? Can you? Because i can't, and i gave all of you his scum!reasons, supported with his own post. | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:04 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno rayn, I just dont think ONLY scum WoS wouldve been a dick. And it worries me that DP thought that your case was awesome. Does it worry you? nonono. DP is town. My case is awesome. You can lynch me on D2 if WoS flips town. Deal? | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote: I still think pushing for a lynch on somebody you believe is mafia is more valuable to town (due to how voting provides information) than pushing for a vig on the same person. Vig shots provide so little info, but are solid for getting rid of the scummy people whose lynch doesn't really provide enough discussion and who won't provide enough content to judge them on. Maybe thats just the way I see it but pulling for a Vig shot on WoS just doesn't seem right. Even though I'd be quite suprised at this stage if rayn was scum. Yes, being afraid of dying and then people forgetting your case is a legitimate concern I suppose. Why would you not shoot mafia ? Also why did Rainbows leave when i asked to remake his meta case on you? | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Lynching is more information than shooting, marginally. That is to say, would you rather shoot WoS and lynch Crazometer or shoot Crazometer and lynch WoS? Because I take the latter, every time. I would shoot WoS (as he is scum) and lynch another scum. lol why? what makes Crazydude mafia? mkfuba, plz read the thread if you are town. | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:41 Sn0_Man wrote: I have less faith in the general scumhunting ability around here than you do. What makes Crazydude mafia? I am gonna repeat the question as long as you keep dodging it. | ||
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On August 21 2013 04:04 Koshi wrote: Well it's mufassa, kush, the snowman or me. Kush and that evil guy from the Lion King doesn't seem very scummy. Do you agree on what i said on snodude or not? | ||
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On August 21 2013 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote: What post of yours are you referring to here? there was no post. was trying to bait Koshi saying something in case he was mafia. :D nothing to see here. | ||
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On August 21 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Catching up a little. Hey Rayn, who got the discussion going? I am going out soon. That's irrelevant. You should defend and then scumhunt. | ||
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On August 21 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn why exactly ARE you pushing so hard for someone to vig me tonight? Why are you so concerned with my explanation exactly and got all mad when I didn't feel like answering you? I hate to admit this but Oats is the one making the most sense atm. I am being honest with you right now. You can't possibly convince me that you are town any more. That ship sailed already, if you can't see why, i do not care. You should know how i play, you should know i WILL be tunneling you if you don't answer my questions. I was even fair and gave you.. not one.. not two, but at least three possibilities (i asked REALLY nice) to answer me, and i would have been perfectly fine with you if you gave me a reasonable answer. You did not. You need to convince others. I am sorry if you are town but you are not playing for the town and i am convinced you are mafia, i want you shot. If you are not shot, i want you lynched. Period. There is no reason for you to talk to me or vice versa. | ||
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ASAP! FirmTofu, you are a cool guy, but... WaveofShadow is mafia. PERIOD. Noone can contest that. KILL HIM KILL HIM HILMH KILLHIM!!!!! | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha this brings me back to Ego mafia. It's the only other time I've seen Rayn act so unbelievably retarded. lol. Oats back me up on this. fu scum. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:16 geript wrote: @rayn. You need to de-tunnel man. I think you're way off base. I'd rather lynch into FT, Crazy and Oats before I lynch into WoS. Besides, he's never been scum when he's played with me. Phone dying. ofc you would, because you are scum. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha this brings me back to Ego mafia. It's the only other time I've seen Rayn act so unbelievably retarded. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:25 yamato77 wrote: I have no idea how Ego has anything to do with WoS' alignment. he is 100% lying. Can you not see it? | ||
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t_T nvm, gl guys i die either way. and i dont give a shit becaue you are idiots. yamato is not an idiot, he is scum. so is geript. so is snodude or rainbows (one of those two two). oats, fuck you and pick your game up t_T | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:29 kushm4sta wrote: rofl even the mod yells at you for spamming and you are A DISASTER IN ANY GAME! so fu! | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:33 FirmTofu wrote: He was a claimed cop. He drunk posted to push mislynches. I still don't know why. It filled up the thread fast. I think Titanic had around the same amount of pages as GoT when there were only 14 players. please stop arguing on what i did. kill mafia plz. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:34 geript wrote: Look Rayn clearly you didn't get my last post. My point is that my reasoning for calling him town is completely irrational. That's exactly all you WoS stuff is. The more you post like that, the less I care about any reasons you give regardless of how valid they may be. Now lets talk about FT. Big fucking summary post that leads to nothing in any regard from a guy who hasn't done that as town afaik. Scum right? ft is town you are mafia. ggyo. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright yeah it seems to fit his drunkposting fiasco in Ego---no particular rhyme or reason behind it. Aaaaanyway, now that I have you here FT, who is scum? POINT ME OUT TO MY DRUNK FIASCO IN EGO MAFIA! I FUCKING RULED THAT GAME! WoS is mafia, has been, will always be. <3<3<3<33<3 KILL in first sight. thanks. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:45 DarthPunk wrote: What the hell is happening to rayn? sorry i am drunk, wos is 100% scum. i hope you pursue it. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: See Ego and apparently Titanic? He's probably drunk. tell me, ego. go! go ego. show quotes. | ||
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So i saw something scummy, point that out and. WoS agrees that it was scummy, does not answer me in any way and is now trying to twist the fact around that "rayn thought i was blue and therefore wants me dead".. lololol. Bad defence. Bad. And now he claim vanilla. Accomplishes what? He is mafia. Snodude accuses everything gut pushes nothing. Just like in his scumgame that he quoted to me. Rainbows does not see that "when he was specifically asked to look at the game" lol, Rainbows also does not talk about impotant things in thread despite reading it. Maybe i am wrong about geript, i dunno. I would think he is bright enough to understand what my case on WoS is about. His recent posting is much better but i got no time to reread any more. Kill WoS asap! Then kill the other dudes, watch for geript. vayne, Oats, yamato, kush, Koshi, DP town. | ||
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On August 21 2013 19:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, so you think WoS is bullshitting about his supposed gambit? What makes you think that? Because what he says is full of shit. He only came up with it when fuba helped him out. And no, i do not think fuba is mafia for that. I think WoS found a possible way out of his shitty situation because of what fuba said, now he has "proof" at least someone thought like that. | ||
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WoS: What were you trying to accomplish with your"gambit"? You very well know this is the only possible outcome in case you do not answer me in the first place. What's the point of wasting 24 hours of my time? What's the point of looking like scum and then call out people who think you are scum scum? You are really not this stupid as town. You were just trying to mimic your meta from CCM and it can clearly be seen from your answers to me. When i call you out for your post you immediately response "Tell me how i am playing different from CCM?", while that is not even what i am asking from you!!! You are defending yourself with an meta argument when i am not even accusing you of anything yet. You are scum. FirmTofu: Why are you trying to throw dirt on me from Titanic? I did not push mislynches. I pushed one fucking mislynch in the whole fucking game and you very well know that because you were mafia and i tried really hard to get you lynched from the very beginning of the game! So, why are you lying? To make me look worse? | ||
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On August 21 2013 23:24 kushm4sta wrote: @rayne, im trying to find your case on WoS but I can't. What page is it on? is it in one post or splattered across your filter like diarrhea? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521¤tpage=21#402 | ||
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That's not even what i was asking about. Why would a townie be concerned if he plays to his town meta or not? Because he obviously does. That response of his directly proves that he is aware he is doing something he did in another game in a same manner. Scum wonder about these things, not townies. Also his explanation for the whole mess is bullshit. "Hey i played anti-town in purpose and now i am calling out people who called me out for my anti-town play". Don't you see how full of shit that explanation is? He basically says he has purposely wasted 24 hours of everyone's time with something that does not help anyone find mafia. Also Koshi is the sole person in this thread that seem to get this. | ||
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WaveofShadow is a smart player, he does not do stupid stuff as town. He also knows how i play. I tried to get him to answer me many times. I even said "if you do not answer i'll make a case and then there is no way back". He knows what that means. At this point he can't possibly think i am scum bluefishing, if he is saying so it's so retarded i don't even know what to say. He still refuses to answer me. The case is made and when i make a case you can be sure i push that case and do it hard. WoS also knows that. He just wanted a reason for himself to OMGUS me. It is that simple. He did fuck up in the beginning and he is now trying to cover it up with bullshit reasons. | ||
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On August 21 2013 23:57 kushm4sta wrote: Thanks. So essentially, you are 100% certain he is scum because he didn't bring up the let's not talk n0 thing? He is scum because he doesn't want to waste time talking about obviously bad plans? That case is not convincing to me. no you clearly did not read the case. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:01 yamato77 wrote: Why would scum-WoS intentionally antagonize town-Rayn if he knows how you play? It doesn't make sense for him to cause himself to be pursued as scum. No, it's more likely that this is town-WoS trying to get a read on Rayn, and coming up with red. Because he does not know what to answer. He does not have an answer. He thought "look i play to my town meta, go look at CCM" was enough. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:16 kushm4sta wrote: what you say in your case: in ccm he suggested no talk n0 but changed his mind about it in this game he didn't mention it. you asked him about it. he doesn't answer your question, and he says he is playing to his town meta, the same way he played in ccm not alignment indicative imo in ccm he suggested no talk n0 but changed his mind about it in this game he did mention it. I asked him about it. he doesn't answer your question, and he says he is playing to his town meta, the same way he played in ccm (which is not what i asked in the first place). | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote: well if WoS does flip red at some point I think we can safely assume kush is town. If he was scum he would jump all over the chance to bus a partner this early. This game is kinda turning into titanic v2 and I am quite bored but don't feel like trolling this time, meh. I feel the same way about how this game is going. The problem is i am the only one making a case, everyone else just agrees or disagrees with me, or do not even read. Why is noone putting up another suspect? I do not feel like making more than one case at the time. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn if I answer you this one time, will you stop shitting up the thread with this? You are effectively killing all other discussion and whether or not you think you've found scum, killing discussion is bad for town. Otherwise I have no reason to engage you. Especially since you stated yesterday you were done talking to me, am I right? So you are not giving me a chance to try to get a better read on you (which in your opinion should be beneficial to town, if you are town)? I am not killing discussion. I am trying to promote it by saying someone should bring up another suspect if they feel like you are not the best lynch. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I think rainbows is the best lynch but I can't really right a case for it or anything -_- just a gut feeling Do you think snoman is town? | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote: null right now, I've been over his filter and he looks more like a player that you can feel out since he's all over the place with accusations and comments. I need to see a lot more than what he's written so far. he said onegu was sheeping town sentiment which is kinda just a lazy buzz phrase but I could see either alignment doing that since I don't know how he plays yet. Finding a SAM claim to be a scum claim is pretty odd given the circumstances. It's a potential death sentence for no reason if you get CC'ed. he has a little back and forth with rainbows and I doubt they could foresee us thinking of them as partners that early in the game, so I don't think they are both scum. That's about it for me. I kinda think he is himself guilty of everything he accuses people for.. | ||
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Why would i think you are blue here? I certainly do not think (even if you were blue in CCM) you are stupid enough to mimic your blue play so obviously (as you call it). As mafia it is more likely than as green, because you do not want to look scummy. Why would you want to look scummy to people? If you are mafia in this situation you make an opening post, have a meta backup to provide. Maybe you even get some stupid townies to agree with your idea of no speaking. I also do not understand why did you respond with your meta-argument, because the question had nothing to do with meta. If i put myself in your town!shoes i would tell me "i answer you when i feel like it", certainly not give an answer that has nothing to do with the question. I notice this kinda stuff. I would also like to know when you concluded that i am scum bluehunting (that explanation smells fishy in the first place because the matter was discussed with me just a couple of days ago and i even told i also do bluehunt actively as town)? I would also like to know how on earth the only thing you conclude from N0 thing you pulled off is that "rayn is bluehunting scum because he calls out my anti-town actions"? Really, nothing else? | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:38 FirmTofu wrote: I don't mind making a case on sn0, but I'll reread yours first. I'm still a bit wavering on WoS. His defense so far has been sub-par to say the least. How can you know WoS' defense is sub-par if you have not even read the case? | ||
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On August 22 2013 04:45 FirmTofu wrote: The main reason I prefer the sn0 lynch to WoS is because of the NK. Why did they kill DarthPunk? DarthPunk must've been on the right track. I'm inclined to believe that at least one of Rainbows and sn0 is scum, if not both. Lynching into one of DP's strongest scum reads is a safer bet than WoS. This is certainly not the only possible solution and WIFOM. DP was definitely the strongest player in this game. No reason to not kill him whether or not he was right. He would be, at least at some point. | ||
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On August 22 2013 05:12 FirmTofu wrote: Everytime I make a case, everyone just skims over it and nothing comes of it. I'm trying a new approach this time. asses your current base beliefs and then reach a logical conclusion while incorporating the NK. Let me know if you have trouble following the logic or if there are any holes in it. I don't know how you are supposed to apply the logic in this situtaion. Like how it helps us finding scum? Also DarthPunk was extremely pro-town now matter how useless he was trying to look. | ||
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On August 22 2013 05:15 FirmTofu wrote: I would like to remind you that association cases don't amount to much. Try not to base your case on him on the fact that he is associated to WoS. Remember how that logic turned out in Titanic? Nonono. It's not an association case. It does not matter what alignment WoS is. geript as town does not know WoS' alignment. He does not look / comment on the case on WoS in any way. Instead he points out another suspect with reasons i find to be weak. The correct way to play as town is to tell what do you think of the case, point out if something is wrong in it, so that townies do not look at the wrong places. Or agree with it if you do. Add something if you have something to add. geript does none of it, he just let's the case go unnoticed. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote: I don't really see how I'm flip flopping on a WoS case if I haven't given my opinion on it :p, You silly goose Rayn. I have a far stronger scumread on Sn0_man. Why do you consider your case the only thing that matters  .If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post. My biggest failings as a town player is pursuing my initial day 1 reads. Last game I pinned Artanis as scum but never pushed it, resulting in a townie getting lynched over him. I want to push my reads Day 1 because typically they are very good. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping. Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case". Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so? | ||
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Rainbows, you said this: "If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post." Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no? Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. What do you suggest we do and how do we find mafia? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:08 Rainbows wrote: In b4 Rayn comes in: DEFENDING HIMSELF AS TOWN VIA META ----> SCUM 100% Okay so you still did not understand my case on WoS as you even jokingly bring this up? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19555702 So many people can't read. rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote: I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:22 yamato77 wrote: I told both of you that your reasons for thinking the other were scum were fallacious and argued this point multiple times. I don't understand how poor your reading comprehension is. Well you certainly got your message through as me and WoS did not stop and other people who have taken a part of this conversation on D1 did not remember that kind of post before you needed to point out something along the lines from your filter. Did you try really hard to get the town on what you believed is the right track? Are you usually this un-convincing as town? | ||
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As to why he would care, surely it is self evident that each player should be interested in the roles of others. Sadly here this apparently only applies to scum and town players should not be interested in other people's roles. | ||
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On August 22 2013 19:33 Oatsmaster wrote: his play is similar to his town game koshi His play is also similar to his scum play. And his play is scummy. | ||
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On August 22 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote: geript isnt town to me Why do you want to lynch a guy who accuses your scumread? | ||
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On August 22 2013 20:50 Koshi wrote: raynpelikoneet, do you have a game from the Snowman as scum? He quoted it himself in thread on N0 when he was talking with Rainbows. That's also why i did not like Rainbows. He did reach to a 100% wrong meta-conclusion from comparing snodude in this game with that one. | ||
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Case on Onegu is weak. Oats why does Onegu attacking kush make him scum? You are saying he should use meta in reading kush right? Given your argument, you yourself do this: 1) yamato is useless -> meta suggests useless yamato is mafia 2) Onegu is useless -> meta suggests useless Onegu is not necessarily mafia Why are you voting for Onegu over yamato? Case on kush is 50/50 in my eyes. I can see what Onegu is trying to say, and he is saying the truth. However kush's play as town looks like this. I do not know what kush scumplay looks like, as i ididn't read his posts at all in Sicilian, or the posts i read he was on a same wavelength with me. I understand kush's meta is somewhat "when he is right he is mafia, when he says stupid stuff he is town". That's not enough to judge him fully on D1 and he definitely is worth questioning as he seems to be jumping form one place to another. Now that he is actually playing (meaning you can actually fucking figure his alignment) everyone is giving him a free pass and saying he is town. Oats is making a case on the person who is questioning him? That's not right in my eyes. Case on Crazometer is really shit. The dude is new, he has reasonable thoughts and has said some fucked up things at least i do not understand. geript is jumping on something that does not mean the guy is mafia. WoS does the same thing. There is simply not enough evidence to say the guy is mafia. Best lynches are definitely WoS and Snoman. - WoS did anti-town stuff, gave a shitty explanation for it, didn't want to explain himself any further. Not only did he not answer me, but he also did not answer to Koshi, who made an excellent recap of why WoS' defense is really bad and does not hold water. People are not willing to comment on this, people are not willing to debunk my case. Most people just try to discredit me and Koshi, for what? On top of that nobody (besides yamato - to some extent) said anything against my case on N0 when Darthpunk was alive and shared my thoughts on WoS. That is fucking fishy. - Snoman jumped on everything and pushed nothing. Only thing he "pushed" was discrediting me at the end of N0 with shitty reasons. Then he disappeared. His whole N0 was calling people out for weak reasons, and for reasons he was guily himself for. | ||
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On August 22 2013 23:47 Oatsmaster wrote: except kush's posts that Onegu pointed out are jokes rayn. I dont know which post you are referring too. I dunno, this post of kush that Onegu calls out doesn't seem like a joke to me: On August 21 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote: Yeah so he attacks me and FT. First FT first post was fine and I got a townie feeling from it not scum. And for me you attack me for no reason, I was already getting attacked from a few people for makeing posts that only add my thoughts to a existing arguement which is fine, but you jumping on me for this post when someone was talking about me disappearing is scummy. Also you say you are ok with a WoS lynch just because its good for rayne or lolz rayne is wrong. Then you say its a bus if WoS scum? Why do you feel that way? About Koshi/WoS, i am referring to this post: On August 21 2013 21:08 Koshi wrote: Let me recap how I see this WoS case on rayn. So guys I wanted to look into The Snowman but i cba. Geript is a really cool guy and understands me completely. So, I made a post to bait rections but I have still no clue about how I am going to interpret those actions. That cool guy geript made a good point on Crazy though. But let's not go too crazy about Crazy because he is new. Another really really cool cuz is mkfuba07. He gets me completely except everything he said is wrong and I am just a VT. But didn't I really fake being blue well? So, because I faked being blue so well I am going to tell my scumread rayn that I am actually just a VT so he can go and search after the real blue role for the first nightkill. So rayn is scumhunting and is also trying to get the vigi shoot me. This means that town loses 2 blue skills. Rayn is so certain I am a blue role that I will get roleblocked and in case I am the Veteran I will die this night anyway. But let me tell all of you this 28 hours before deadline because as a VT I really don't want to get RB+shot at me in the first night because that would be so bad for town. But WAIT I actually don't have a bluerole and rayn knows this!!!! So he plans ahead and already gives the reasons I am going to give to defend myself as a VT. But WAIT AGAIN Why would I want to give the same reasons anyway? So joke is on him. I don't make a bad opening post two games in a row. + Show Spoiler + Except I did. But guys this time to see reactions. Please ignore that I actually don't follow up on those reactions at all So please discuss why rayn is scum guys. Because this case is full of shit and I know it. DP I am looking at you to help me out here. | ||
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On August 23 2013 00:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Its insane. WoS does insane shit. I think its town insane. So Onegu says that he disagrees with kush's conclusion on FT. He never says the reason why. He only says his own opinion and therefore kush is scummier for it. Bullshit. And then kush gave this reason that Onegu is scum. Which is a perfectly fine reason and something I mentioned. And onegu defends it by posting this Kush's reason is hardly no reason. I mean, Kush is being an asshole but Onegu thinks its scummy to be mad about his constant 'whining' and disappearance. I dont see how any of this is 'spot on' at all Rayn. What the fuck. For me his thinking is pretty clear. He agrees with FT's reasoning (i do aswell, that was a good post imo), kush calls the same post out and never explains why the post is bad and that's scummy. That's how i understand Onegu. kush calls Onegu out for not having a single thought of his own. Onegu clearly thought on N0 he gave his own thoughts whether or not they were following the thread sentiment. I do not know what's wrong with that? Like i know that's what Onegu did at the start of the game, does that make his scum? In GoT it didn't. After that he has had thoughts of his own, for example the post about FT he quoted. And his read on kush. I do not know how this makes him scum? Can he not think kushmasta is mafia for things he has said? | ||
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He calls me out for being mafia bluehunting ONLY after mkfuba gives him the seed. As i already said that is in the first place fishy because it was just discussed in GoT a couple of days ago. WoS hosted that game. He knows what has been in thread. Clarity and Xatalos called me out because i said i do bluehunt as town aswell (which is true). I was scum in that game. Does this not ring any bells? | ||
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On August 23 2013 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote: So WoS as scum didnt answer you because of what reason Rayn? Since his 'town' reason is bullshit. Why did he do it as scum? I have already explained it. He in fact DID answer me. He answered me "how is my play different than in CCM". I never asked that. His answer was clearly a "look, i am playing to my town meta and i can prove it". That's defending himself for something i never brought up. When he realized what i was in fact after, he did not know what to answer. | ||
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On August 23 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So you are saying that as scum, WoS decided to emulate his town play in CCM, a drastically different game that was like 2 months ago and when that failed, just shut the hell up? Does this sound anywhere reasonable? Why would WoS as town do this: - Do anti-town shit - Do more anti-town shit he knows will flip me out - Call people out who call out his anti-town play - Make a retarded case against me based on me calling out his anti-town play - Retract from his only conclusion he he made from N0 - Distract half of the players completely on N0 - Refuse to answer on anything asked from him after that - Do absolutely nothing so far on D1 WoS is not stupid as town either. | ||
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On August 23 2013 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: Yamatooo. I'm not sure if that one good post in the beginning should get yamato off the hook for being completely absent this game. I supposed I could lynch him. Geript. Absent and stuff. Not involved in anything. I suppose I could lynch him. Crazy. Smurf pretending to be noob? He came back to save himself from modkill so yeah I could lynch him. Koshi. Could lynch him. I asked you about this earlier. Why do you not want to lynch WoS any more? What made you change your mind? I agree with your reads on yamato and geript. | ||
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On August 23 2013 01:03 Sn0_Man wrote: As far as I can tell, the only people who put any stock whatsoever in your case on WoS are you and Kosheep. WoS's early game play may have been dumb/questionable but I really don't see it as scummy. This is another answer that makes me think you are mafia. Can you see why? | ||
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On August 23 2013 01:59 Sn0_Man wrote: rayn why is asking questions of everybody non-stop without providing any new or interesting info something you consider acceptable to do? Last I checked you aren't Socrates. Judging people based on their opinion of me isn't easy  I'm too emotionally invested in the answer for it to be a reliable way for me to rate people. Obviously people who call me scum look worse to me because I know I'm not scum. People who call me town are right so I'm more inclined to agree with them on other things. That is simply how stuff works. A topic on WoS that I can speak to is his opinions on Crazo. Crazo felt like real lynchbait and people pushing for his lynch consequently (to me) looked scummy (geript, wos). However, re-reading Crazo looked like maybe he received a bit of "coaching" (aka scum-qt hints and tips) which would explain a lot. On the other hand, it does still look like WoS and geript were pushing an easy lynch that could still easily be "the easy mislynch". Queue WIFOM about scum being afraid to start a mislynch. Still leaning town on WoS. At least he is here and posting and most of his posts look town-motivated. Why can't you answer my question? It's a really simple one. FirmTofu's thought process has been very clear throughout the game. FirmTofu is much less involved in the game when he is town. He tries too hard as mafia. Here he is being clear, his explanations on things are good, his thought process is easy to follow and makes sense. There is nothing scummy in his play. Why are you not pushing my lynch or trying to question me in any way? At N0 end i was your top scumread. I am still pushing WoS lynch, who you think is town (while in your post you give reasons why he could be scum rolf). Instead of pushing / questioning your top read you soft push Koshi. Then you make a fail case on FT. Then you bring up three more suspects without telling why they actually are mafia. What are you trying to do? What is your goal in giving the town 5 suspects on who to lynch and dropping your top scumread without any reason? | ||
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On August 23 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote: My favourite part was how Vayne's tactic this game is to instantly attack and vote for anybody who so much as mentions him in a negative manner. The thing with vayne is that townies ignore him for the first phase unless he has something good to say. Then he gets copped because he is hard to read early on. So you do not want to make a case on me because you think you can't get me lynched? How are you supposed to win this game as you think i am mafia? Actually, make a case. I'll answer it all in one post, no more, unless you want me to explain something. | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:01 VayneAuthority wrote: Unless he has drastically changed his play, this doesn't look like les mis (where I was scum with him) nor does it look like his endless amount of town games. As scum he looked really town and cared a lot about what people thought about him. As town he always fights tooth and nail and isn't this passive. Throw in how he played in basterd ( didn't give a fuck because he didn't want to get night killed and then could fight lynches retroactively if things were looking bad during daytime) Does this not look like that? I disagree with your meta-read. In Les Mis WoS was evenly cocky as in this game. That's something he lacks as town, especially early on in the game. There are also some charactreristics that repeats when he is scum but never when he is town. When (argueably) the strongest player posts the first time he goes "Hey X, thoughts on...?". One thing that always happens when he is town but never when he is scum is "Policy lynch vayne". | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:26 Sn0_Man wrote: Yes. Boardwalk Empire. I've seen town do it too, but none of them take the attitude that "I know i'm not acting townie but anybody who suspects me is obv scum". HAH! WHY IS WOS TOWN? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID ON N0! ##Unvote: ##Vote: Sn0_Man ezpz! | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote: I could give him one more phase, it's not like he can get away with just not posting. He has to do stuff eventually. What are you thinking about yamato right now? geript? yamato seems somewhat scummy but i'd give him more time. He's been quite useless but i have seen him do that as town too. Him being around at night when the game started and posting for two hours suggests that he is town (meta). I think geript is scum. I have explained my reasons for my read throughout the game. I'll make a post about it when needed, but for now i do not think he is the best lynch. snodude just pretty much claimed scum. | ||
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On August 23 2013 04:59 kushm4sta wrote: Rayne the lynch on WoS is not happening. The lynch on snoman is not happening. who do you want to lynch then? you do not get to say what lynch is happening and what is not. snoman is mafia, probably WoS aswell. We are lynching Snoman. FirmTofu is obviously town. | ||
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On August 23 2013 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: FirmTofu's thought process has been very clear throughout the game. FirmTofu is much less involved in the game when he is town. He tries too hard as mafia. Here he is being clear, his explanations on things are good, his thought process is easy to follow and makes sense. There is nothing scummy in his play. | ||
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On August 23 2013 05:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Trying so hard not to derail but somebody tell me this doesn't sound like a member of the scumteam trying to be the voice of dissent so if/when FT flips he looks good. I've done it myself. I do agree that this isn't a good lynch however. Popped up WAY too fast and way too many people jumped on board when we barely had 2 people voting on any one person for the past 36 hours or so. Just doesn't feel good to me. Do not discredit me when you have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
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On August 23 2013 05:18 kushm4sta wrote: NO IDEA WHO SCUM IS ATM LOL snoman/wos/geript + idunno, maybe rainbows, fuba or yamato. | ||
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On August 23 2013 05:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is this town FT and not scum FT rayn? You cant say such an outrageous statement without backing it up. I already fucking backed it up, twice. | ||
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On August 23 2013 05:22 Oatsmaster wrote: uh no thats not backing it up. Yes it is. FirmTofu says stupid stuff as town. Especially early on in the game. when he is attacked as mafia he tries his best to show his "towniness" and discredits the attacker and his arguments. He fights back. Town FirmTofu rolls over and dies, leaving his thoughts behind. Notice Oats, what happens when kush unvotes? see? See what snoman and wos do. They drop their fucking scumread instantly and bring the rest of the town under scrutiny. That's fucking textbook scumplay. Cast doubt everywhere when the lynch we wanted does not go through. Do you see them seriously considering geript as suspect? rofl, that's a fucking soft accusation on a guy who is not gonna get lynched today either way. | ||
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Look at what Darthpunk had to say btw. He is the only one who is confirmed town. Who were his suspects. WoS, Sno, Rainbows. Rainbows was somewhat dropped as a suspect i guess, but not totally. Rainbows has also made sense this phase. WoS hasn't done shit besides trying to push FT and then dropping it off. Does anyone think snodude looks better than he did on N0? I certainly do not, he looks way worse. Both him and WoS are unable to give reads on each other with reasoning. WoS has been trying, from the start of the game, figure out Sno's alignment "because that has been so hard" and has yet to draw any kind of conclusion. Whenever i ask Sno anything about WoS he completely dodges the question and moves on to other subjects. I even asked the guy to make a case on me, his scummiest read. He failed to do so. Then both of those guys accuse me of doing something scummy, which they do in the same post. How much more scummy can you be in this game? | ||
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On August 23 2013 06:16 Sn0_Man wrote: Quick kush, vote for whoever is the safest vote at the time! Wait now kush is mafia? A few minutes ago he was perfectly fine as he was voting with you. | ||
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On August 23 2013 06:16 Sn0_Man wrote: Quick kush, vote for whoever is the safest vote at the time! What is this comment supposed to mean if you do not think he is mafia? Explain. Also explain why you made the comment. | ||
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He really tries too hard and nothing he says sticks when something changes even a bit in thread. Look at his filter in that game, 4 first pages. This is nothing like it. Sure he interacts with other people aswell, but he has been clearly thinking Snoman is mafia from the beginning. I also do not understand why various people call FT mafia because his night kill analysis and the roleblock theory. Sure, nothing in those two things make snoman mafia, that's for sure. I never got the feeling he was calling him mafia because of it, because the way he expresses it is "if sno was mafia, then..". I agree that is useless, but it does not make FT mafia. Also why do people ignore this: "rayn said something to Koshi in scum QT, then he questioned Koshi about it in thread. When Koshi did not answer, he asked "Koshi answer me please". Then Koshi asks what does rayn mean, because he has not read the scum QT." -Snodude really, this makes any sense to anyone? | ||
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On August 23 2013 08:04 Koshi wrote: FT could have started changing his style after Titanic tbh. FT in GoT was terrible. I had played 2 games with FT before Titanic and 2 times he was town and played the same as he did in Titanic. You saw through him but I saw the same FT. FT played super detached in the GoT game and was town, FT is playing detached in this game. Currently I am null on FT. I could see him being a player that switches styles after each scum game? Wild guessing but I can't say this FT is town. Koshi your meta-read on him is bullshit. How is that similar at all and which games are you referring to? Sicilian is 100% different from Titanic. This game is 100% different from Titanic. Bluelightz is 100% different from Titanic. In each of those games it can clearly be seen FirmTofu has an agenda behind his posts. He is trying to solve something. In Titaniche just throws shit left and right and rides with "townslip"-credit and discredits me into oblivion. | ||
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On August 23 2013 08:23 FirmTofu wrote: Rayn, what do you think of Oatsmaster? I can't decide if he's scum or town. I'll filter dive him and try to get a stronger read on him. Do you have any reads you want to bounce off of me? I'll discuss Oats with you guys on N1. We are not lynching him this phase whatever he is. I know how to catch him but his D1 play is so similar nowadays as town/mafia it's impossible to tell which one he is. What do you make of Rainbows/mkfuba interaction earlier on in the phase? | ||
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On August 23 2013 08:22 Sn0_Man wrote: You try to explain this series of posts lol. The reason it sounds dumb when you say it now is because it sounded just as dumb when you said it the first time. . Note that this exchange is not so long after this post: And from what I can tell rayn's sentiment towards koshi has only strenghtened. The explanation is in the last post. why does it hurt to reaction test someone you think is town? If they think you think they are town they have a safe feeling, scum might not read the thread (i know because i do not read the thread properly as scum), someone asks you something, you might just say "yeah i agree" without thinking much. Why does that make sense? On the other hand, your explanation is beyond ridiculous. | ||
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[quote]his D1 play is so similar nowadays as town/mafia it's impossible to tell which one he is.[/quo[te yeah I wish. Anyone wanna lynch geript?[/QUOTE] I would but i can't. He is guilty for some of the things WoS did aswell but i can't justify lynching him because what wos did was x100 compared to geript. | ||
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On August 23 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh this is going to be one of those plurality lynches that lets mafia hide wherever they want, isn't it? Since Crazometer's posting I'm not 100% sure of him being scum anymore. Could still vote him or maybe Onegu today---the strong sheeping of thread sentiment and jumping on my gambit early for weak reasons is bad and now he comes back and tries to push kush who is usually pretty good lynchbait and someone who wouldn't necessarily be able to defend himself particularly well. A 'safe' scumpick for vote if you will. Activity won't be great until later this evening at which point I really think there should be some consolidation. Rayn will probably leave his vote on me no matter what happens---I don't like it but it's pretty much expected. I don't want a lynch going through with 3-4 votes though. Explain why Onegu is not in your scumlist any more. What has changed as he has not posted since. | ||
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On August 23 2013 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Was wondering when you'd find a good excuse to put your vote back. I bet it was especially enticing to you to know that I won't be around for deadline so you can push me extra hard after I've gone to bed, right? Don't try to paint me as mafia when you can't even keep track of who you think is scum lol. I know who is not always on top of those things. mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2013 17:14 Sn0_Man wrote: PS hes voting me to save his own ass which anyone wud do I think. Right. He has been asking for us to consolidate for at least 12 hours, has not pushed anything to consolidate, when he apparently has 10 scumreads (lol). Then he ends up on his townread. | ||
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On August 23 2013 18:05 Onegu wrote: First I know rayne bluehunts as town, saying he is scum because he is bluehunting is rediculous. Maybe WoS was breadcrumbing something I didnt see it but to then say he breadcrumbed to claim VT? Yeah and if it was a guise to lure out scum (to shoot him or whatever), why the fuck did he claim VT then? Why not keep the guise up? There is no reason not to. | ||
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On August 23 2013 18:05 Koshi wrote: Dont know if that is completely true. In GoT I left a message that Oberyn should catch if he had my name, because he would pay extra attention to the posts that the visitor made. Here I was more obvious. Just talk a lot about the the miller thing. Dnu. I can see why it is scummy if you don't accept that I made that statement as a disguised question but if I made that statement to lure out another claim. A bit sneaky was me replying to Yamato saying that I was more happy about my role because I really wanted to roll town over scum. But... How do I prove that. lol... I mean it's the way you talked about the miller/survivor situation. You seemed really odd at first regarding the situation. When you claimed miller it all made sense. | ||
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On August 23 2013 18:07 johnnywup wrote: rayn why will WoS flip red? hey sorry i was playing league with a friend. I didn't mean to dodge your request. I already said I'd be good with lynching crazo but that's not happening as it seems no one else does? What? I have been given reasons all game long why WoS will flip red. | ||
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- WoS makes anti-town comments - When i call him out of it, he instantly replies "look i am playing to my town meta from CCM" when that's not what i asked. - He is not willing to explain himself, he knows i will go crazy about it. I asked him nicely three times to give an explanation. - He at last gives a really bad defense and calls me mafia for some retarded theory (when i am calling out his anti-town play). - He is not willing to answer me / Koshi on D1 when we call his defense out. - He did nothing for the first 36 hours on D1. - Then he wants us to consolidate (when he hasn't even pushed any lynches at all, besides Crazy, which Koshi pointed out was not even a push - he changed his mind rapidly). - Then he does consolidate on his townread while having 10 scumreads. | ||
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On August 23 2013 18:25 kushm4sta wrote: I don't like your case rayne and your last point is just compeltely moot because he was doing it to save his own ass. But sure he could be scum so I guess we will see. See, the last point has to do with the 2 above. First he does not push anything. Then he wants us to consolidate. Then he "has to consolidate on him townread" because for real, the lynch targets that have been him and sno and he has done NOTHING to change the course of the lynch. | ||
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On August 23 2013 18:25 kushm4sta wrote: I don't like your case rayne and your last point is just compeltely moot because he was doing it to save his own ass. But sure he could be scum so I guess we will see. Also why do you say that because you agreed with my case from N0? You specifically said "WoS now that i read rayn's case i want you to answer him". | ||
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Unless he's just so mad at all of us that he's just letting himself get mislynched, I'd go as far as to say it's impossible for him to be cop. If this is true he is playing against his wincon and deserves to be lynched anyways. | ||
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On August 23 2013 19:26 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh shit, I thought parity cop checked one person one night, then another the next. That's how I've always seen it, at least. Uhhh... I still think he would have just said "I'm parity cop" instead of just "they're the same". I guess I'll look through his last few posts, but if he was really parity cop in danger he probably would have just come out and said it. So did i. wtf is this bullshit. WoS is 100% scum. He has not pushed my lynch at all while having "confirmed red check on me". lol, 100% scum. | ||
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"I am a parity cop and i have a same report on rayn - Koshi" Then you vote for me, because Koshi comes 100% red from his alignment. What WoS did is bullshit, he want's a town role to cc him in case there is one. | ||
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Thank you for losing the game for town. Also i am not scum. framed or miller. Vigi needs to shoot me. | ||
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On August 24 2013 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote: yamaro is scum btw guys This is right and you need to lynch yamato tomorrow. Then take a relook at snoman and rainbows, also fuba. Also if there is a vig you absolutely need to vig me. There is no question about it. Whatever you believe my alignment is vig me. I just became a huge distraction whatever i say. It's the best and correct play. | ||
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If i flip "framed" question him, there is no reason to not think like taht unless you know i was framed. | ||
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On August 24 2013 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote: 2-3 more hours Wanna talk about reads in ~1h? I need to go to sauna first as i just got back from playing beach volley. I won't distract if you feel i am doing it. I would just like to bring my opinion heard in case i am vigged (which is very likely). | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote: Revised Outcomes What we know: 1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop. 2) Koshi claims self-aware miller. Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed. Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed. Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed. Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum. Did I miss anything? What's the point of this post, everyone knows that. | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Iunno, some people somehow need convincing that you are scum rayn. And you weill probably get lynched when i flip town. | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:37 mkfuba07 wrote: I've said this multiple times and absolutely no one agrees with me =/ Yeah i do not actually think you are mafia. I made the same mistake with not noticing the parity check was 2 people / night. I got overly emotional after the flip. You are most likely town. Sno on the other hand is not even trying to do anything, just flinging shit on me & vayne whenever we post. | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:40 Oatsmaster wrote: rainbows scum too, posts reletively active but he lacks the 'drive' i feel. Okay, in case i get vigged can you get those guys lynched? For real? I gave my case on yamato before the day end. Do you need something more on Rainbows or can you get him lynched 100% with what you have? Next, Snoman? I still think he is definitely scum. You? | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:44 FirmTofu wrote: I'm starting to feel a Rainbows/Sn0_man/Yamato/Onegu scum team. Yamato, Onegu, and Rainbows are all trying to fake interest. Their apathy shines through their posts as clear as day. Sn0_man is playing illogically and is pushing rayn for no reason. He's been scummy throughout the game. I wouldn't mind lynching any of these folks. Maybe switch Onegu with johnnywup(geript). I dunno about those 2 yet. | ||
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Do you agree that Fuba is town? I mean the not noticing parity cop can check 2 people on N0 - insta result. Because i didn't notice it either. Would he be able to fake that as mafia? That in itself looks very townie to me, and his actions in thread at that time indicate that he honestly did not know that. | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think the not noticing parity cop can check 2 people on the same night is alignment indicative. i dunno about fuba. Well the thing with me as sn0, is that he is doing a lotta stupid shit for what seems to be no reason. Oats, mafia does read the OP carefully so that they know how to best use their roles. If i flip non-miller i can guarantee you Koshi was framed, that's so beneficial to mafia. Like have every possible parity cop check worng if they check the miller. (That's why you should have checked yourself WoS and not Koshi :E). | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:08 Koshi wrote: The snowman should not be on the lynchlist tomorrow imo. Because it is very unlikely that rayn would be in a team with him. Take a target that would work with rayn and the Snowman and is scummy. No Koshi, that is retarded. | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:11 Sn0_Man wrote: The game I replaced into I was trying to get anybody but my last remaining (and incidentally incredibly scummy and mostly AFK) scumbuddy lynched lol. The game was already solved when I subbed in, but I did what I could. Absolutely no relation to this game. If you think that I was doing what I could to save WoS, you are right but in this case it was for a "townbuddy" if you will. PS hows rayn allowed to make association cases re yamato atm? Why are you so defensive here? I am the mafia guy remember? | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I would assume parity cop is like in every single game ive seen it in. I wouldve done the same thing as scum. See me flipping non-miller town this night, that will prove you wrong. | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:22 Sn0_Man wrote: ? I answer accusations made against me. Please excuse me for that. Meanwhile rayn is admitting that he does exactly what he is doing this game as scum... Regarding "being certain people are scum" Iunno, nobody but me even reads rayn remotely critically despite the events of the last 2 days and WoS's mislynch. Yes Sno i do that as scum. I also do that as town. Why would you not do same things when you are scum than when you are town? Are you as scum like... trying to prove people you are scum? | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I meant the 'same thing' as assuming that parity cop works the same as other games. I meant if fuba is scum he would 100% know how parity cop works as it has been discussed 100% in scum QT. The question is would he fake not knowing it on D1? I think not. | ||
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On August 24 2013 04:37 Oatsmaster wrote: huuuuuuuhh??????? So rayn is town, and therefore you dont want to lynch sn0man because he is definetely not on the scumteam with rayn? What? He means if his head is wrong about me. That would make Sno town (if i was mafia). | ||
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Why are you not here telling people we should be lynching me instead of yamato if a vigi does not shoot me? | ||
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My case on yamato is in my filter, right before the end of D1. I'll make a post before deadline where i post my scumreads if you are too lazy to look it up. Now i am pretty tired as it's soon 4 AM. | ||
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There is more i have said earlier on. Basically it is that when he is posting he is not playing up to his standards. And that he is lurking. A lot. | ||
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-> if i get shot, he looks good -> if i do not get shot, cool, let's lynch him Oats as mafia is more willing to follow the thread sentiment than as town. He had a firm town read on WoS, yet he voted for him "because of the unvote". Oats NEVER does that as town. In NWM (scum) he asked the right questions from Ace N1, he surely did get what i was after. When D2 came and other people did not get mycase on Ace, Oats dropped the whole matter. Oats as town votes his scumreads and doesn't give a fuck who else thinks they are scum. It's not his actions, as he questions his scummates as well, it's his true actions (where his vote is and why). This doesn't look like Oats is doing his own stuff. Now he has biggest scumreads on yamato, sno. If i get vigged look if he pursues them and how. Because he should. This is not a strong read, but i am leaning mafia on him. I think yamato is scum for his "i'll tell you the right things when it's too late" attitude. I already called him out on this D1. He was not willing to stop the shitfest between me & WoS. He did say "stop", but he never gave any reasons for it. That's fishy as at that point there was a voice of reason (DP) alive. He just wanted the thing go on. D1 he gives some reasoning for it. Me & WoS fight goes on, what does yamato do when he gets back? He gets into an argument with vayne (doomed to fail either way) and does not comment on ANYTHING ELSE going on in game. It's like "hey guys i came back to shit the thread for some, but i don't really want to push this town to right track, while i think rayn&WoS are both town, i'll just them continue on their rant". Sno still looks bad, for like everything. another possibilities are johnny (mainly because of geript) & Rainbows (weak read, but still). Hope you guys figure it out, and i propose you lynch yamato. | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:13 yamato77 wrote: Because I'm good at getting townreads on players like you. How do you think I play with Oats every game? Also i wanted to comment on this. You should not be confident in getting townread on me. I listened your podcast on Catch 22 D1 (it was very good btw), and your read on me put a smile on my face. tbh i think the only person i have seen who i think will be able to catch me (like really catch me - pants down) when i am mafia is Hapahauli. | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote: I don't think your point against FT is strong (him contradicting his own read is not necessarily a scum tell), but he has been suspicious with what he's written this game and especially with how he entered the thread, as I've said before. His initial reads were written wonky with stuff like "he looks town so he's scum" and vice versa that just sounds like bullshit. Haven't read him too closely, but like I said earlier in the game I get scum vibes from him. Early on Oats seemed town but I feel like his thread presence is lower than it usually is when he's town. His reads don't seem as strong and he hasn't been particularly forward with pushing them, either. In my experience, when he's scum he's a lot more passive and agreeable and his activity tapers off. I'm not sure on him at all but it should be more clear as the game goes on. I agree that FT entered the thread the same way he did in Titanic. A big post with lots of reads that say pretty much nothing conclusive. I think his thought process was easy to follow after that, until N1 started. Then he went back to "i make no sense". So we agree on Oats. On August 24 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote: I don't know what to tell you except that maybe you aren't as difficult to read as town as you think you are? It's far easier to get a townread on someone than get a solid scumread. I think this is plain out wrong. In GoT i was town read for almost everyone before we decided to all in and claim scum with Acro. In Catch 22 i was town read for everyone but Hapa (and apparently Coag, and his reasons for shooting me still remain unknown to me - he just said "i didn't like you" post game). In NMXXXsomething i was town read for everyone besides the guy i accused throughout the game. Those are the games i have been able to play to my true potential as mafia. | ||
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- Read Darthpunk's filter! The dude is good at this shit. - Read my filter. Ignore anything that is about WoS. Read other stuff. - Read WoS filter. Ignore everything about me & Koshi. (Sadly there is not much there). goodluck guys! | ||
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I would still like you to tell me why do you think i am town, and how does my play differ from my play in games where i have been mafia? Otherwise it's hard to believe you have a "valid" read on me. Same thing could be said especially about Rainbows. | ||
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You wouldn't play this balls out as mafia because it leads you to exactly where you are; under a microscope with a cop having checked you and people wanting to vig/lynch you. Being balls out and the most active and involved player in the game leads you not likely to be checked by the cop. It also leads you being a townread for most of the people. Would you seriously say anyone other than WoS would have checked me on N0 as a cop? Because the answer is no. | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:16 yamato77 wrote: Plenty of people weren't sold on you being town on N0, dude. Perhaps I worded that poorly. Being active as mafia means that your agenda will be more obvious, and it WILL eventually become clear what you have been doing this game, which leads to being looked at harder. No mafia wants to post 18 pages in 72 hours because you're going to get caught posting that much. Town players, however, don't care what the posts they make look like and will, as you have this game, spam the fuck away. Voting for me because you disagree with how I think mafia should play is a little ridiculous, btw. Okay, who would have chacked me on N0 as a cop in your opinion, aside from WoS? | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:18 yamato77 wrote: Could easily be SK, IMO. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Why would SK not shoot on N0? | ||
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On August 25 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote: btw, I can't see us having a cop, doctor, and JOAT in the same game so I'm pretty sure that last blue spot is just the one shot vigilante, meaning they are basically VT now. If I'm correct it might be worth coming forward on who shot crazo and seeing if there are any CCs. It would make this lynch a lot easier if we had confirmed town leading it. Why don't you vote for yamato, who gives the doubt of SK? | ||
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On August 25 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote: yes the oats medic thing is a lot weirder. I wonder if he actually used his saves this game? DP seemed like an obvious choice just like vivax was in titanic but he never saves anyone anyways ##vote:yamato77 im outta here for now Oats prolly docced me on N0, as DP died. There were no other good targets. | ||
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On August 25 2013 06:28 VayneAuthority wrote: As an aside, Crazo simply put a vote on kush and never felt the need to change it, which makes me feel like day 1 was a town vs town lynch. I have a lot more inhibitions about lynching sn0_man now. I feel like rainbows is the more likely missing link, if it isn't rayn and just sitting in our face. sorry, i do not understand. Can you explain? Also can you explain to me specifically (assume i am town, so i can make some sense in your explanation). | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:50 VayneAuthority wrote: one of fuba and rayne is scum, we don't have 2 cops a vig and a doctor. Why do we have a vig? | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:52 kushm4sta wrote: ya vayne i know too many pr @rayne how can i counterclaim you?? i am fucking vt. u claimed. there is no downside to discussing it in more depth. you need to do this. As far as I'm concerned vayne is town as shit and he doesn't have to answer to you ever. shhh.. i got this.. | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne, why are you not pushing Onegu? Answer plz. | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:54 kushm4sta wrote: because fuba is claiming vig.. did you miss that? fu already and shhhh... | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote: Fuba claims vig, you claim cop. 2 confirmed blue roles already. One of you is lying. Vote Onegu? | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:24 yamato77 wrote: Because you're fakeclaiming cop. I have to say, I don't understand your play from a town perspective. Could you be the SK that I theorize? 1) You'd probably shoot DP night 1, or be smart enough to hold your shot. 2) You do have a red check on you. 3) You asked to be vigged (or thought you would be vigged), but if you have a red check on you then that means you have an extra night life, no? So it matters not. Only problem is that mk claimed vig, tbh. Your N1 shot is unaccounted for. Im not, fucking lynch me. ##Unvote: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Go, you can kill vayne on D3. And i can laugh at you. Hard. So hard. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:25 yamato77 wrote: So you claimed cop, but aren't pushing people because you have a red check on them? Are you fucking stupid? FUCK YOU ARE STUOID! | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:28 yamato77 wrote: It's not ad hominem. You aren't an expert on my meta because, truth be told, you don't even know it! fuck you mafia. you don't even "know" who i have a red check on. ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!! you are so scum. Yo, kill me now. then lynch my red check vayne loloololololloolololkasdlkaoldlodoladoladsol, AND THEN LYNCH yamatooooooooooo!!!! AND RAINBOWS. GGYO! | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:57 yamato77 wrote: I'm getting lynched for no fucking reason You people think I'm scum just because you're all terrible at reading the thread. Hey dude. A cop who you think is town (me) has a red check on a guy (vayne) who is btw your scumread. What do you do? You say "hmm, can this check be true, NO I AM NOT MAFIA!!!!". rofl. (i did not even "check" you). ^_^ | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:20 yamato77 wrote: There's no possible way you have a red check on me, because if you are cop and had a red check on you, that means you were framed. Unless there are 2 framers, this seems impossible. You also are not cop because you wouldn't actually be so stupid as to check a miller claim. Stop pretending. Explain this post. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:07 yamato77 wrote: says RAYN, the person who you townread WHEN HE SHITS UP THE THREAD FOR DAYS ON END LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL shhh...seals.. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:24 yamato77 wrote: Because you're fakeclaiming cop. I have to say, I don't understand your play from a town perspective. Could you be the SK that I theorize? 1) You'd probably shoot DP night 1, or be smart enough to hold your shot. 2) You do have a red check on you. 3) You asked to be vigged (or thought you would be vigged), but if you have a red check on you then that means you have an extra night life, no? So it matters not. Only problem is that mk claimed vig, tbh. Your N1 shot is unaccounted for. This one. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:37 mkfuba07 wrote: Might have misread these posts. Who the hell knows. Six pages of absolutely nothing... Why are you so fucking eager to tell people right öojalsfjölafsjöafsafslhnafsjafsjöl I just wanna lynch mkfuba. | ||
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##Unvote: ##Vote: Rainbows | ||
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I am not really sure if yamato is mafia any more. He's a lot more involved and has a idgaf attitude.. What do you think FT? Do you think yamato will flip scum over Onegu (basically that is the question)? | ||
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I'm far more convinced yamato is scum than that you are. | ||
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The two of you guys who are town please start playing. You are horrible atm. | ||
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On August 26 2013 21:06 VayneAuthority wrote: that guy was town 0o? then people wonder why town never wins anymore holy shit. If you wonder why Onegu was town you should probably not wonder why people think you are scum.. | ||
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1) Your case agains Onegu was mostly of him defending or not wanting to lynch Crazo. Why did you vote for Onegu over me, as i did defend Crazo too? I also have a red check on me. 2) When i claimed cop, your thought process was "you think yamato and me are both scum, why do you take your vote off from yamato and put it on me?". Why would i not put my vote on a red check if i was a cop? Why would i keep my vote on someone i do not have a red check on? | ||
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This is mostly due to process of elimination. I don't think there is any chance of mkfuba or Koshi to be scum. I do not think kushmasta is scum. Rainbows is probably town because of the following. In our newbie game Rainbows was inactive at the start of the game. When he finally got in thread, the first thing he did was to check scum QT for what is going on. I do not think he would do this "lol you can't be cop, lynch rayn!" if he was mafia, he would have checked the scum QT first and he would see how stupid his accusation on me is. vayne if you are town i suggest you pick your game up because you are another questionmark, although johnnywup and Snodude look a lot worse than you do, and yamato is accusing you. FirmTofu did consider Snoman as a lynch over Onegu. There were 2 candidates who could have been possibly lynched over Onegu last day. They were yamato and Rainbows. FirmTofu said nothing about them, and when i brought up Rainbows he went over his filter and voted for him in the end. When Onegu corrected me and said yamato is actually the only one we can get a lynch on, FirmTofu left. He did not even look at who were realisticly possible to lynch, and when we got our shit together with Onegu, he left. Snodude wasted his vote. totally. This added to his play before makes him very likely mafia. johnnywup's reasons for voting on D2 are horrible. geript was scummy. Very likely mafia. snodude and yamato do not address each other like ever.. yamato soft pushed Sno, who has been looking scummy all game, but does notthing to question him, does nothing to find out his alignment. yamato also has not even tried to lead the town into any direction. He just comments on some things going on into the game, makes some random comments that do not help the town at all, does not try to push any lynches for real, does not defend/attack anyone. He is a definition of blending in. Pick from those guys on D3. i'd say FirmTofu and yamato are definitely scum. Then one of johnnywup / Snoman. I'd place my bets on Sno over johnny. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: uhh yamato, i never said i have a red check on you? Why so defensive for no reason? vayne, explain. I have never said i have a red check on yamato. | ||
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On August 26 2013 21:37 VayneAuthority wrote: your filter is a million pages long, as I said find it yourself. go back to wherever you started fake claiming im not looking for it I already fucking quoted it. Now tell me where do i say i have a red check on yamato, i have never said so! Why are you lying about this? | ||
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On August 26 2013 21:40 Koshi wrote: You implied it. Even if that rant was complete garbage. lol, implying something does not mean i say it. vayne i help you out. my filter pages 19-21. Where do i say i have a red check on yamato? I say multiple times i do NOT have a red check on him!! Yet yamato gets super defensive. | ||
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On August 26 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote: What happened to your rainbow suspicion rayn? I just explained it. | ||
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On August 26 2013 21:42 VayneAuthority wrote: The word "also" in english means you are making a continuation of something. If you don't understand that, then don't try to make a big deal of it. That is full of shit. If you do not understand what "I do not have a red check on yamato means" you should get your head checked. | ||
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Also yamato theorized i am SK and have a red check on me. Which is not possible. Fail. | ||
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kush, see the following posts by FT and Onegu. Onegu answere FT "i thought his post was townie", FT does not follow his question up in any way. He keeps talking on other things in his original post (me/Koshi), but does not address Onegu's answer in any way. This definitely does not make him town. At best for him it's a null-tell. | ||
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On August 26 2013 22:11 kushm4sta wrote: just because someone doesn't follow up with 6 pages of spam liek you doens' tmake them scum If you asked someone "Do you think this post makes him town?" and someone answers "I think it was a townie response" would you just leave it be if you suspected them both? | ||
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On August 26 2013 22:14 Koshi wrote: No need to speculate about that now. IF there is an sk, then we can revisit this conversation. Of course it's relevant. If you think i am SK why would i as SK have shot DarthPunk on N0? Or why would i hold my shot and who did i shoot N1? Why would i shoot Oats or Crazo? | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:04 Koshi wrote: I guess that rayn only got redcheck on vayne lol. Also why do you defend vayne's argument on me having a red check on yamato aswell, as at the moment i claimed cop you said the above? | ||
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I THINK I might have said that because it made 0 sense that you would go after WoS if you had a redcheck on yamato. I know I realized that somewhere, but I don't remember if that was before or after I went to bed. After rereading the incident that's why it does not make zero sense that yamato gets overly defensive. Also vayne does not seem to be thinking at all. Indeed, why would i go after WoS on D1 in case i had a red check on yamato? | ||
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You have me as 100% scum, yet you are not willing to give your thoughts on Koshi before i flip (so i am not definitely scum after all?). You are mafia because you do not make any sense from any point of view. It is not that you are wrong, it's that you can't keep your story straight. | ||
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- Sno is scum (you agree?) - rayn is town (you don't agree - Rainbows is scum (i dunno if you agree) - vayne is scum (you definitely do not agree) What exactly do you agree with yamato on? | ||
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On August 27 2013 01:01 Sn0_Man wrote: Vayne is making posts, an important improvement. Said posts also contain more than "Anybody who mentions me negatively is scum". Another important improvement. Vayne has ventured into such new territory as reasoning and discussing players. Plus his insights line up with reality. You on the other hand are still content to simply outpost anybody who may disagree with you despite you having yet to be correct about anything I can find. You make fake claims solely for the purpose of shitting up the thread and are 10 pages farther along STILL arguing with people about the exact nature of your claim when you couldn't keep the story straight while making it in the first place. It is obvious to anybody who can read that your actions simply aren't town motivated and are designed to engender an atmosphere where town cannot properly function. Why nobody else is seriously pursuing your lynch is far beyond me. WoS literally didn't claim cop because he decided that me being alive and pursing you, after it was proven that you pushed his MISlynch, was more valuable to town than him being alive for 24 hours and dying that night cycle. PS:You still haven't given any reason for your read on kush. Also tell me how you are pursuing my lynch? Afaik you have never had your vote on me before last day, and you did nothing to actually try to get me lynched. you just placed the vote and fucked off for the rest of the day.. | ||
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yamato has never said i have been anti-town. I am town for him. You are making stuff up. Also it's funny that you call out MY fake claim, which was far less harmful to the town but WoS "claim" on N0 was brilliant and it outed me as mafia. rofl, i am town and the dude got lynched for it. You are full of shit with your stuff. Also you have no definitive reads, everything is "could be or could not be". Even yamato is not town while "you agree with him A LOT" (which you don't. Then vayne is town "because he is saying stuff" (which he is not - no more than before). That's bullshit and you are mafia. | ||
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For ages apparently means for 1h 40min. Clearly for ages. You are trying to make me look shit for nothing. You fail in every attempt. | ||
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1) Where do you think vayne is making sense nore than he did in N0-N1? Can you point out the exact posts and tell me why are they better than his posting in in N0-N1? 2) You said you agree with yamato a lot. Can you show me some posts of yours where you point out yamato's good contributions. 3) Can you tell me what your read on Koshi is and why. | ||
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Plus a variety of one-off posts regarding short-lived topics of discussion like scum interactions with crazo in the thread. ? | ||
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2) Scum can make good comments too. So you do think yamato is town, for his comments? What about his contributions, that's the part you should be focused on. Are they good or bad? What do you think of them? 3) For the record. There is a possibility where Koshi is scum and i am town. In case i am miller or in case i got framed and Koshi is fakeclaiming. Why do you not try to get a read on everyone in the game? PS: Fair enough, i was somehow thinking you meant me in your comment. | ||
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On August 27 2013 03:38 Sn0_Man wrote: This post, wherein I obviously was worried about his contributions, was responded to with "Sn0 100% scum" by you. Then you feel the need to ask me a question that I had just answered. Its okay I really don't expect anything from you. You are scum and your goal is to prevent the thread from functioning in a manner that could catch scum. I get that. The sad part is that you asked us to lynch you when WoS flipped town and the rest of town was too dumb to agree Yes i said you are scum after that comment, because your comment says nothing at all. You basically say "yamato looks good and yamato looks bad". This is what you are saying with your other reads aswell. I am trying to read your post but i can't understand what you think kush, FT, Rainbows alignment is. I can't understand what your read on vayne & yamato is, because you are not willing to explain them. For example, what do you think of FT's contributions towards the lynch yesterday? Can you analyze the situation and tell me what do you make out of it? Everything you say is "this guy could be scum or he could be town". You give no reasons for anyone to be mafia. When i try to have a civilized conversation with you you are unable to interact with me and then you tell me i am scum because i am shitting up the thread. What should i do then? How am i able to find mafia when you are not letting me question anyone? Whenever i do it you call me out for shitting the thread. Whatever you think, forget about me being mafia for a while and try to find other scum. You are atm doing exactly what you call me out for. Actually it's a bit hypocritical from you to say i am just tunneling some people and not willing to find mafia as you are the one who has tunneled me since N0 end. You also have made zero cases against me and never really tried to convince anyone into voting me, All you have done is try to discredit me. You have asked me zero questions to find out who my scumbuddies are. That's not how you should be playing, if you are sure i am mafia you need to bait me into saying something that will help you figuring out my scumbuddies in case i get vigged/lynched. You have done absolutely nothing to strengthen your "case" on me. Your case on me is not strong enough, obviously, because i am alive. You are not even trying to lynch me, you are just trying to get people not to listen to me. Also can you tell me do you think kush is town or mafia? Why? Why do you need other people's reads on him to form your own read? | ||
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kushmasta loves being right. As mafia he is clueless (as he usually is as town aswell). He just throws some names and basically says "trust me, these guys are mafia". This game he has basically said everyone is scum, and his reads constantly change. This is more likely from town!kush. He plays on the fly, not even trying to think what he has said one minute ago but makes new reads based on wht has just been said in thread. Town. So you are not willing to answer my questions. You obviously are not even trying to get me lynched (hell, i even asked you to make a case on me on D2, you didn't). You are not trying to find other scum. You are just sitting in the corner crying "i can't get rayn lynched". What the fuck are you doing? Absolutely nothing, and you just proved it yourself.. | ||
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On September 02 2013 13:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sad because aside from Rayn my scumreads were pretty damn good this game. People kept mentioning my 'list of 8 reads' or whatever it was but no one actually looked into my posts. I had Geript looking really scummy early for his using my actual name in thread (though I dropped it because i felt paranoid about it) and I had yamato as well at some point (but I forget when). I had Crazo nearly from the start. The only person I doubt I ever would have gotten early was FT. Anyway, sorry for real shit play this game guys, but gj for pulling it off. In the end considering the setup I guess it's actually a good thing I got lynched early. Of course i did look into your posts. That's the reason i went for the right targets from D2 start. Only think that confused me was Sno_man, and his refusal to interact with me when i really tried. I dunno why fuba and Koshi decided to lynch Onegu? That totally threw me off when i got back. Good thing is that Onegu lynch totally outed FirmTofu. There are me, FT and Onegu online. I say i don't want to lynch Onegu. FT says "lynch sno or we can't change the vote". Makes no sense because we can't even get a lynch on Sno. I propose Rainbows, FT softly agrees and does not say anything about yamato (who in fact is the only one we can change the lynch to). When Onegu proposes yamato FirmTofu doesn't say anything at all any more. :p | ||
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On September 02 2013 21:19 yamato77 wrote: Third scum game in a row. Honestly, the fact that I avoided the lynch EVEN ONCE is a fucking amazing thing to me. Hahaha. You should thank me! On the other hand i managed to remove the most scum-favoured cop ever from the game. :D | ||
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On September 03 2013 00:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah honestly. I don't even feel bad for getting mislynched at this point since I probably would have done more damage alive. Ì have no fucking idea why Fuba did not shoot me. Damn that was ballsy! I seriously needed to be shot for having a red check on me and mislynching a cop. | ||
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