Persona 4 Mini Mafia

On August 15 2013 14:19 Sylencia wrote:


Has there been a game where a hydra has given town a clear advantage? I have limited experiences with them myself, but I never saw them as being overpowered.

On August 16 2013 11:03 DarthPunk wrote:


Because if you aren't around people like to lynch you cause it is easy. Of the three times I have been lynched. Two were solely because I wasn't around at deadline. The other was in my first newbie.

On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato.
As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings.

I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw.

On August 21 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Not that I haven't flung my share of shit at a decent variety of players this game, but if we take a look at rayns filter he has called the following people scum:
Me,
Geript,
WoS,
Rainbows,
Oats,

and DP


In other words, every person who has posted anything worth mentioning except Koshi. Pressuring a variety of people is fine but rayn has already demonstrated an incredible level of certainty regarding the scumminess of at least WoS/Me/Rainbows and the others were pretty strong language for a while as well.

I just currently don't see rayn being helpful to town. I see him bidding for dominance in the thread in a way that doesn't seem conducive to success in an N0 start if he believed what he was saying as well. And I see him doing a lot of "Oh yeah X is totally scum" without justifying it at all (the only time he ever justified an opinion was on WoS). It doesn't fit to me, right now.

Still waiting on more people to seriously contribute to thread.

On August 21 2013 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha this brings me back to Ego mafia. It's the only other time I've seen Rayn act so unbelievably retarded.

On August 21 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

FT he did this in Titanic as well?
What was the outcome/what was he trying to accomplish?

On August 21 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

Alright yeah it seems to fit his drunkposting fiasco in Ego---no particular rhyme or reason behind it.
Aaaaanyway, now that I have you here FT, who is scum?

On August 21 2013 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't want to talk about Rayn at all anymore. This may be exactly what he wants at this point but I honestly don't care.

I could lynch Onegu atm. I should probably read into some of the players I haven't looked at yet like Rainbows (who I know is a competent player).

FT who is your PRIMARY scumread? That is, who do you want to lynch tomorrow? And what meta tells you that Geript and Vayne are scum? I don't see how either of them have really posted enough tot ell you anything.

On August 21 2013 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi you need to work also on knowing who is left in the game and who is not. Other than that your post is spot on.

WoS: What were you trying to accomplish with your"gambit"? You very well know this is the only possible outcome in case you do not answer me in the first place. What's the point of wasting 24 hours of my time? What's the point of looking like scum and then call out people who think you are scum scum? You are really not this stupid as town. You were just trying to mimic your meta from CCM and it can clearly be seen from your answers to me. When i call you out for your post you immediately response "Tell me how i am playing different from CCM?", while that is not even what i am asking from you!!! You are defending yourself with an meta argument when i am not even accusing you of anything yet. You are scum.

FirmTofu: Why are you trying to throw dirt on me from Titanic? I did not push mislynches. I pushed one fucking mislynch in the whole fucking game and you very well know that because you were mafia and i tried really hard to get you lynched from the very beginning of the game! So, why are you lying? To make me look worse?

On August 22 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i did not push Paperscraps lynch, never. But fair enough. Can you make a case on Snoman then? I still do not see a better case than mine on WoS in thread and i am not making another one. WoS was supposed to read some players yesterday and he has yet to follow that up in any way.

On August 22 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How can you know WoS' defense is sub-par if you have not even read the case?

On August 22 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is certainly not the only possible solution and WIFOM. DP was definitely the strongest player in this game. No reason to not kill him whether or not he was right. He would be, at least at some point.

On August 22 2013 05:10 Koshi wrote:
^ you haven't said why you find the Snowman scummy.
+
That veteran list is silly.

On August 22 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think geript is scum for two reasons. I did not like his push on Crazometer at all. The reasons were not good and it seemed like he was trying to swing the discussion off WoS (he did not comment on WoS stuff at all at first). When i said later on i think geript is scum he instantly started yelling me "i know i am lurky as scum, but now i have been busy". Over-defensive, i never even said why i think he is scum.

On August 22 2013 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Nonono. It's not an association case. It does not matter what alignment WoS is. geript as town does not know WoS' alignment. He does not look / comment on the case on WoS in any way. Instead he points out another suspect with reasons i find to be weak.

The correct way to play as town is to tell what do you think of the case, point out if something is wrong in it, so that townies do not look at the wrong places. Or agree with it if you do. Add something if you have something to add.

geript does none of it, he just let's the case go unnoticed.

On August 22 2013 08:55 yamato77 wrote:

Only he did retract it... >_>

On August 23 2013 00:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did I miss something or was *nobody* roleblocked N0?

That seems important...

On August 23 2013 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote:

How is it remotely acceptable or town motivated to say "I'm untouchable anybody who attacks me is scum"? Thats easily a scum-favoured atmosphere to create. There was no ad-hominem, I'm commenting on the terribleness of your play.
Scum-hunting, in fact. Something you MAY wish to attempt (you haven't started yet I notice). K maybe now there is ad-hom.

On August 23 2013 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch FT today actually. Anyone want to with me?

##unvote
##vote FT

On August 23 2013 04:34 kushm4sta wrote:


you think scum didn't roleblock someone on purpose just so sno could say "no roleblockers lol?'
why would scum do that

On August 23 2013 04:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would totally lynch FT

On August 23 2013 04:43 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why would scum fake a rb claim when there wasnt 1 day 1 FT? Your explanation tries really hard to paint Snodude as scummy. But its bridge too far.

On August 23 2013 04:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
FT posts an unlikely theory that happens to paint his top scumread as scum. Sadly that theory is bullshit. Scum post bullshit.
Somemore bullshit is the reason you voted for Snodude.
like what the fuck is this shit?

Its all speculation. You are providing shitty reasons that snodude is scum for his gameplay. scum cant find good reasons because they know they are attacking town. Your reasons are shit.
Shit reasons+speculation that is totally wrong+not attacking someone who fits your apparent view of scummy play to a tee.

isnt this what vayne is doing?

On August 21 2013 10:39 FirmTofu wrote:

I just caught this post. Sno, could you explain how rayn being accusatory and aggressive makes him scum? It looks like you are simply trying to discredit him here.You don't seem to be pushing for his lynch, but you want everyone to ignore him. Why would a townie want this when he isn't in rayn's crosshairs? What town motivation do you have to discredit rayn when he isn't even attacking you?

On August 23 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote:
Why are people outraged by FT his insane theory while the insane theory of the Snowman was ignored? (that rayn and I are scum because we failed a play in the thread because I didn't read the scum QT)

On August 23 2013 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You will be able to play GMM III at work?

On August 23 2013 08:04 Koshi wrote:
FT in GoT was terrible.

On August 23 2013 08:23 Sn0_Man wrote:

You are 2/2 on repeating your mistakes I think.

On August 23 2013 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'll discuss Oats with you guys on N1. We are not lynching him this phase whatever he is. I know how to catch him but his D1 play is so similar nowadays as town/mafia it's impossible to tell which one he is.

What do you make of Rainbows/mkfuba interaction earlier on in the phase?

On August 23 2013 12:34 Rainbows wrote:
Anyone have a reason to NOT lynch Fuba or Onegu?

On August 23 2013 08:43 FirmTofu wrote:

Agreed on Oats.

The Rainbows/mkfuba interaction was a funny one. Rainbow's case wasn't bad, but it wasn't particularly good either. It reminds me of Clarity's Day 1 case on me in Titanic. Nothing was damning and most of it was to elicit some kind of response.

mkfuba's defense looks especially constructed and careful. There's some instances when he draws attention to how "unsure" he is. See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&currentpage=47#933

Sentences like, "I could be overthinking it entirely" are not what I expect from town.

I think mkfuba looks scummier than rainbows.

On August 23 2013 12:43 johnnywup wrote:
wait, why are people voting onegu? I haven't seen any case on him where I'm at. Come to think of it, I haven't seen much of him at all where I'm at >_> or at least he's not very memorable. has there been a case against him? If so, could someone link me to it?

I'm still catching up but I think geript may have been right in voting crazo. he seem pretty scummy where I'm at (his case against kush...)

On August 23 2013 12:46 Rainbows wrote:
I'm thoroughly disappointed that nobody wants to lynch anybody when I'm around and have to sleep soon so what the fuck. The question is: do we lynch a useless scummy guy, or an active scummy guy?

Because lynching into rayn/WoS if they are both town would put us in a terrible position. I think we need to realize who everyone is most content with lynching but nobody is really pushing that hard. Scum would soft-bus all day and put buddies in the 'meh, yeah i could lynch him' zone, and can't really say they WON'T lynch the guy. Scum obviously won't push their buddy that hard unless they are ##YOLO mafia.

We need some fucking closure on this lynch and fast. Do what WoS says and actually take a stance on some of these people.

On August 23 2013 12:47 Rainbows wrote:


FirmTofu, just because you think Fuba is scummier than me doesn't mean you're town considering I don't know the alignment of Fuba.

On August 23 2013 13:02 kushm4sta wrote:
The reason why I don't really want to lynch sno man is that weird conspiracy theory involving rayne, koshi, and the scum qt. Do you know what I'm talking about? It just doesn't seem likely that scum would come up with that kind of thing.

On August 23 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im here just been feeling really shitty, anyways I will consolidate my case for you kush I still want answers.

##UNVOTE

Going over everything now

On August 23 2013 13:48 Rainbows wrote:


The problem I have here is that you are omitting Fuba. WHY? Everyone is omitting the Fuba.

On August 23 2013 13:45 kushm4sta wrote:
dat wtf conspiracy theory:

On August 23 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Night guys.
Koshi and Rayn are same.

On August 23 2013 16:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS scum r happy to "consolidate" on either me or wos since we r both mislynches but they can't wholesale swap cuz it would give away the game hence tofu's shit u just caught.

On August 24 2013 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
EBWOP I was talking to oats still

@FT: they could both just be scum no framing involved.

On August 24 2013 03:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
PPS rayn godfather is also possible lets not leave those out.

On August 24 2013 03:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
well TL.net trims out extra spaces apparently.

Isn't it obvious that at least rayn is scum out of this?

Er, actually rayn could be a town miller not self aware and Koshi could be scum didn't think of that. Seems unlikely.

On August 24 2013 03:36 mkfuba07 wrote:

Oh hey, the conclusion that I pretty much came to when this started!

On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote:
So Im in the hospital now so this will be brief, I should be out tomorrow but not sure.

So the two biggest things that stuck out to me. Im not really up for a yamato lynch. Have to go over his filter again but why wouldnt we lynch the other scummy person in sn0?

Second we need to take a closer look at firmtofu there are a few reasons for this.


This post is a big reason, why would you ever ignore a red check? If we just ignore it there will always talk about it, or it will come back, makeing a even bigger waste of time. He should be vig shot or lynched otherwise town atmosphre will be completely destroyed. My scum games I am very active vayne made a post about its so much easier to play when you know everything. Firm knows this.



I like this post alot makes me feel better about crazy.

Anyway my pain meds are kicking in. So Im out for now.

On August 24 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote:


Right so you think town would claim SAM? So unless you think town would claim SAM its the exact same as a red check. And crazy post I liked because it called your post out, gave his thoughts which I thought townie, and while I want him to scum hunt and follow up on that post it made me feel townie from him.

On August 24 2013 15:27 Onegu wrote:



To give him protection against red checks. 3 scum GF goon framer, framer claims SAM and frames goon every night you habe complete protection from red checks on every scum player.

On August 24 2013 15:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: Why is situation 1 unlikely?

@Onegu: Don't you find it incredibly dangerous to fakeclaim a named role, which is typically claimed immediately if it exists, before everyone in the game has even posted? Any of the remaining people could have been the actual SAM. And if he was going to fakeclaim in that situation, then why wait to claim instead of doing it earlier?

On August 24 2013 15:47 Onegu wrote:



I dont want to lynch him, if you think it is most likely he is town why would you be okmwith his lynch. While I believe rayne is town also, how koshi made his check makes me believe he is SAM, so it is much more important to shoot rayne because he has nothing to say he isnt scum while koshi does and we cant just leave a red check.

On August 24 2013 15:48 mkfuba07 wrote:
@FT: First of all, if you're SAM and someone counter-claims you, then they're scum. You've just gotten a 1-for-1 trade (at worst). Pretty good deal. Second, if you are town and know that you will show red to cop checks, you should tell town that. It avoids the really shitty situation where someone checks you, you come up red, and THEN claim SAM. I've actually never been in a game where someone has said it doesn't make sense to claim when you're SAM, so I'm really confused as to why that idea seems so prevalent this game.

On August 26 2013 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu and FT, vote for Rainbows.

On August 26 2013 17:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we actually lynch him?

On August 26 2013 17:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we all vote for Sno, we need at least 2 of yamato/kush/johnny to vote for him. If sno comes back he will switch to Onegu, then we need 3 of hose guys... I don't think that's gonna be possible.

On August 28 2013 02:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
I was wondering when scum was gonna show up to present that theory.

Its the only reason I can think of that they killed rayn actually: to paint me as scum.

On August 28 2013 03:05 Rainbows wrote:
So we're lynching FT or Sn0 today? That sounds fun. Double bus? Or one mafia and one town? Because both are not town.

On August 28 2013 03:08 kushm4sta wrote:
um rayne is the same as koshi?? when did that happen?

On August 28 2013 03:14 Sn0_Man wrote:
Tofu what happened to this?

You never came close to retracting that, but rainbows is barely under suspicion from you ATM. What did he do to change that?

On August 28 2013 03:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
You were driving the onegu lynch as hard as you could until it became apparent that he would be lynched. Then you ran for the hills lol. As I mentioned earlier, a clear case of distancing from the mislynch.

Rainbows wasn't much of an alternative it doesn't look like. In fact, I'd say yamato would have been a far more logical option to divert the lynch off of onegu, and he is at the same level of "suspicion" in your last post. What gives?

On August 28 2013 03:23 Rainbows wrote:
I don't think anybody has ever defended Tofu ever this game except Kush.

On August 28 2013 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Tofu you'd look a lot better if you were posting before you were a/the clear lynch candidate

On August 28 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
im here, and neither me or mkfuba is scum so I disagree with your theory.

On August 28 2013 13:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm here, and I don't see any new information coming to light. If you want to make a case on Koshi based on his actions I'm game, but if you really want to get out of being lynched your best bets are rainbows and vayne.

And Fuba is quite clearly not scum.

On August 28 2013 14:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
For me koshi is actually SAM because he made the claim when only like half the game had posted so far. It seems too risky for a scum to do that when they are in no real danger at the chance of being CC'ed.

If he somehow got lucky then I can live with that...I don't mind being beaten by luck.

On August 28 2013 14:30 VayneAuthority wrote:


no, it's not. It's a semi-closed setup if you read =/ All power roles are individual people, so you can't have two of them. There only only be more than 1 of vanilla town and vanilla scum.

On August 28 2013 14:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
You see, I was totally on board with the "Koshi BS'd his SAM claim for town cred" argument 3 days ago. Now... Well lets just say Tofu is proving himself willing to say literally anything that will avoid his lynch. Like seriously, he reeks of desperation and is willing to say *anything* to throw suspicion on anybody else.

If tofu wasn't so obviously scum he might have a point but reading Koshi's whole filter smells too much town.

On August 29 2013 10:30 johnnywup wrote:
who should i vote for fuba? I don't want to die ----------- why are you tunneling me so hard?

and yes vayne i'm busy school started so i'm not here throughout the day.

On August 29 2013 10:43 mkfuba07 wrote:
FT: Sorry if I missed it, but why is koshi your top priority?

(router issues took away my last few hours of filter time XD)

On August 29 2013 10:52 johnnywup wrote:
wtf ft he can speak for himself. wouldn't you want me to vote for one of YOUR biggest scumreads rather than HIS biggest scumreads?

On August 29 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:
your 50/50 thing literally makes no sense.


i think the scumteam is johnny/sn0/yamato atm

On August 29 2013 11:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
just lynch em both, no way sn0 and FT are both town. one percent chance of that occurring

On August 29 2013 16:32 Koshi wrote:




Why do you keep repeating this? Your cases this game are so incredible weak and illogical.

On August 29 2013 23:15 Sn0_Man wrote:


4 Hours before deadline. Lets lynch this guy I think. Meanwhile long periods of AFK waiting for NK.