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On August 26 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: But why would i not shoot on N0 or N1? Why would i shoot Darthpunk? No need to speculate about that now. IF there is an sk, then we can revisit this conversation. | ||
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On August 26 2013 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why do you defend vayne's argument on me having a red check on yamato aswell, as at the moment i claimed cop you said the above? I don't remember why I said that. But I defended Vayne previously because I rechecked your filter. I also said this a couple minutes before that: On August 25 2013 11:01 Koshi wrote: If rayn is speaking the truth then 1) VA is SK and got redchecked. 2) The Lion King is scum and is lying about vigi. 3) Yamato is scum and got redchecked. I THINK I might have said that because it made 0 sense that you would go after WoS if you had a redcheck on yamato. I know I realized that somewhere, but I don't remember if that was before or after I went to bed. | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:04 FirmTofu wrote: My overall thoughts: WoS and geript seem to have some sort of mutual camaraderie based on past games and the friendship they have formed through their hydra. Therefore, you can expect them to play irrationally when speaking of one another. I think we should make note of this. WoS is a real funnybunny. I don't like any of his opinions on how to handle N0. On this topic, rayn wins the argument handily. Remaining quiet on N0 is definitely mafia-favored play. There is no reason to silence ourselves when discussion is the greatest asset we have. However, I don't think this is as damning as rayn says it is. WoS looks scummy, sure, but his play is equally likely to be bad town as it is to be scum. Geript's meta indicates that geript may be scum this game. Town geript usually attacks and pushes like a monster. Geript this game has been relatively subdued. Vayne is not posting much and is not looking particularly scummy. Knowing Vayne, this is quite odd. Town Vayne usually likes to look scummy so that he won't get NK'd until endgame. Vayne in this game looks nothing like town Vayne. Koshi is looking scummy and stupid. Whenever Koshi looks scummy and stupid, he flips town. See: Titanic and all of his other town games. Whenever he is spot on with his reads and looks like he knows what he is doing, he flips scum. At best, he's a good vigi shot right now. Lynching him is not a good course of action. Kush is basically Koshi divided by 2. He just posts less, but his playstyle is very similar. Thus, he is also probably not the best lynch right now. After GoT, I'm not sure how to read rayn anymore. I thought I had him figured out after Titanic and his scum play in I Swear 2, but he played a solid scum game in GoT and threw me off. For the time being, he remains a volatile player that is more likely to hurt town than help it. I would not mind a vig shot on him, but I am finding it hard to read him right now. Saving for later. That's all I want to talk about for now. If anything else comes up, I'll be sure to let you know. Probably FT his best analysis post this game, you can actually find smart reads/ meta read in here, something you will not findin FT his filer after this opening post. FT didn't know how much towncred he had to build up in this game and started with an opening post that had to show some effort. I believe now that we were on 2 town wagons on day 1 and that town is/was his destructive self per usual. Scum FT saw this and his future post made sure town would keep selfdestructing. Example: When you look what he says about Vayne, you will notice that nothing has changed about Vayne his play, but FT never pressured VA after this post about his play. FT is very conservative about geript, a lot of “usually” and “maybes”. Kush, Koshi and rayn are given a townish read but nothing conclusive yet. Not the scummiest entries to a game, but this is a very thought through opening post that never got followed up upon. Or that thoughtprocess never got repeated/updated. On August 22 2013 05:05 FirmTofu wrote: I still think scum is betting that we don't reread dead player filters. I know I did in Titanic. Sno is pretty scummy independently of the NK anyway. I can't say the same for Rainbows. I would say the WIFOM still favors sn0 being scum over town. There are two possible scenarios: 1) If the scum team has a veteran leader, then DP may have been killed for his reputation. 2) If the scum team has no veterans, DP has to have been killed for his reads. I don't think you can say DP was looking extremely pro-town on N0. I really don't see players who are unfamiliar with his reputation killing him unless he was doing something right and they wanted to silence him. Veterans(People who are familiar with DP's repuatation): rayn Oats? geript? Vayne? yamato77? WaveofShadow? Is there anyone else? Therefore, if you believe one or more of these people are scum, then DP may have been killed for his reputation instead of his reads. Personally, geript and WoS are the scummiest on that list for me. geript due to meta and WoS for a weak defense/general apathy. I still find sn0 independently more scummy than the combined scumminess of geript and WoS. Based on your initial beliefs, you should be able to run through this logic and find out who exactly you should be voting. If you are hesitant to lynch any of the veterans, sn0 is your best bet. This is a scummy post. The conclusion FT made here is that the Snowman is scum because the scumteam has no veteran that respects DP his general play, thus the NK must have been because DP was right about the Snowman. Before this post there was nothing in FT his filter that suspected the Snowman. But this line of reasoning was enough the convince FT that the Snowman is scum. Now I already gave FT some flack for that post. So FT couldn’t vote for the Snowman yet. So FT makes this case. On August 23 2013 04:18 FirmTofu wrote: This is what Sn0 has to says right after afking for nearly 2 irl days. He wants to draw attention to the fact that no one has claimed roleblocked. Why would anyone want to draw attention to something so inconsequential? Possible Explanation: Sn0 is scum and he deliberately didn't roleblock N0 in order to get town to think that there is no roleblocker. Possible Motivation: Sn0 wants to roleblock someone N1 so that that person looks bad Day 2 when they claim that they were roleblocked. Town will ask said claimer how it is possible that he was roleblocked when there was no one roleblocked on N0. Because no one has brought it up throughout Day 1, he wins free town cred by pointing it out and simultaneously leading town into a pointless conversation. Yes, I admit a large part of this is speculation. However, if Sn0 is actually scum, I think this is exactly what they were planning. Isn't that exactly what you are doing? You're attacking Vayne and me because we are attacking you. You haven't been actually scumhunting at all this game. You just attacked a few random people in the beginning of the game to provide the illusion of scumhunting, then you afked to allow the thread to fester. Once a few people caught on to your bullshit, you de-lurk and attack the people who attacked you. ##vote: Sn0_man This case is even more ridiculous than the previous one. I didn’t make the link before but these 2 posts are the sole reason FT votes for the Snowman. After I read this case I thought “too obvious to be scum” but I am not so certain anymore, maybe he is even playing scum this way. Because town is retarded, so let's add some more retardation. FT got ALOT of flack after this post, but pushed it away by saying "scum is piling up on me". But it looks like it was town that saw through him. On August 23 2013 08:29 FirmTofu wrote: I think we are starting to form a strong town circle and scum is getting antsy trying to poke holes in it. Koshi, what are your thoughts on Oats? On August 24 2013 03:26 FirmTofu wrote: Outcomes Revised Outcomes Revised Outcomes 2.0 FT starts with saying that there is a “towncircle”, however when I asked him about who was in this towncircle I never got a response. But look at FT his filter, he says that FT, rayn, Koshi is a towncircle (maybe Oats, kush as well?) and then we had the tiresome effort from FT to list all the possibilities where rayn could be scum/framed/town/miller and Koshi is town/scum/SAM/framed or a combination. There is a quote from FT from the 24th of August where he said a vigi should shoot into Koshi/Rayn if I am not mistaken. Out of time atm but it is there iirc. I realize I was very wrong about Onegu, but I don’t want to lynch the Snowman anymore because I doubt FT and the Snowman are in the same scumteam. On the other hand, I am growing very distrusting of rayn. My head still says he is town, but I remember rayn harddefending FT when I said I was null on FT. I remember rayn saying he suddenly came to the conclusion that FT, Yamato and geript/the Snowman were scum due to elimination. However, he wants to go after the Snowman on day 3. + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have concluded that yamato, FirmTofu and one of johnnywup/Sn0_man are mafia: This is mostly due to process of elimination. I don't think there is any chance of mkfuba or Koshi to be scum. I do not think kushmasta is scum. Rainbows is probably town because of the following. In our newbie game Rainbows was inactive at the start of the game. When he finally got in thread, the first thing he did was to check scum QT for what is going on. I do not think he would do this "lol you can't be cop, lynch rayn!" if he was mafia, he would have checked the scum QT first and he would see how stupid his accusation on me is. vayne if you are town i suggest you pick your game up because you are another questionmark, although johnnywup and Snodude look a lot worse than you do, and yamato is accusing you. FirmTofu did consider Snoman as a lynch over Onegu. There were 2 candidates who could have been possibly lynched over Onegu last day. They were yamato and Rainbows. FirmTofu said nothing about them, and when i brought up Rainbows he went over his filter and voted for him in the end. When Onegu corrected me and said yamato is actually the only one we can get a lynch on, FirmTofu left. He did not even look at who were realisticly possible to lynch, and when we got our shit together with Onegu, he left. Snodude wasted his vote. totally. This added to his play before makes him very likely mafia. johnnywup's reasons for voting on D2 are horrible. geript was scummy. Very likely mafia. snodude and yamato do not address each other like ever.. yamato soft pushed Sno, who has been looking scummy all game, but does notthing to question him, does nothing to find out his alignment. yamato also has not even tried to lead the town into any direction. He just comments on some things going on into the game, makes some random comments that do not help the town at all, does not try to push any lynches for real, does not defend/attack anyone. He is a definition of blending in. Pick from those guys on D3. i'd say FirmTofu and yamato are definitely scum. Then one of johnnywup / Snoman. I'd place my bets on Sno over johnny. But then there is Vayne. The leader of the scums will probable be Rayn or Vayn probably. Head says Vayne. But I don't know. But I think it is Vayne. But I guess that rayn/vayn should be lynched as last? There is 1 more scummer. I don't know who it is. Yamato? Johnny? The Snowman? I am leaning town on Rainbows, Lion King, Kush For endgame creds I would go with FT, Yamato, Vayne atm. | ||
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FT is. ##vote: FirmTofu | ||
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wtf is that all about? | ||
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On August 27 2013 23:03 Sn0_Man wrote: well thats a WTF one. NSAM and SAM in same game. Somebody had fun with this setup. I rather obviously need to start from square 1 sooooo yeah. Why are you suddenly so sure I am SAM? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2013 03:13 FirmTofu wrote: I'm going to run through a list of possibilities of what could have happened regarding the rayn/koshi situation. What we know: 1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop. 2) Koshi claims self-aware miller. Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed. Scenario 2: Rayn is miller. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed. Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM. What we need to be doing now is evaluating the probability of each of these respective outcomes and deciding whether a lynch into one of these two players will yield scum. + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote: Revised Outcomes What we know: 1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop. 2) Koshi claims self-aware miller. Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed. Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed. Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed. Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum. Did I miss anything? + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2013 03:26 FirmTofu wrote: Revised Outcomes 2.0 What we know: 1) Rayn and Koshi returned SAME from a confirmed parity cop. 2) Koshi claims self-aware miller. Scenario 1: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Rayn is framed. Scenario 2: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 3: Rayn is town. Koshi is scum. Rayn is framed. Scenario 4: Rayn is scum. Koshi is SAM. Scenario 5: Rayn is town. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed. Scenario 6: Rayn is scum. Koshi is scum. Scenario 7: Rayn is non-SAM miller. Koshi is scum. Scenario 8: Rayn is GF. Koshi is SAM. Koshi is framed. Did I miss anything? Scum trying to figure out why? This is a longshot but I think FT was actually geniunly interested as scum to figure out why rayn and me were coming back same. | ||
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My good friend Mr Snowman, let's not use the fact that he tunneled townies make him scum. Because every fucking townie so far seem to have tunneled townies hardcore. (rayn, you, me) | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:04 Sn0_Man wrote: PS I could totally see yamato survivor mostly worried about being NK'd if he got too "useful" but fairly certain that he could stave off his own mislynch. Not that it matters. He partook in a fair bit of survivor claim discussion. This is a sexy read. It is really possible. I totally can see this. But I think he should be lynched after FT unless he claims right before Day 4. I won't believe any claim when he is on the chopping block next time. | ||
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