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hzflank
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On August 02 2013 23:36 exarezee wrote: Hzflank, you are so evasive. Do you think clarity is 100% scum if i am scum. yes or no. No. if you had full read page 169 then you would already know this. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 00:39 Clarity_nl wrote: You should also realize that your claim was weird as fuck rayn and scum might not have believed you. Thus bringing a blue vayne back in the possibilities. If scum were paying attention then they should have known that Rayn was Cop. It was obvious enough to me that Rayn was either Cop or scum the second that he claimed (and it looked like it before he claimed). | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, let's look at it this way. xrz is scum. WHY DO THEY KILL VAYNE, ITS THE EXACT SAME QUESTION. Saying that vayne dying means xrz is scum is nonsensical If XRZ is scum then killing Vayne was a good move. The bad move was XRZ un-claiming cop if he is scum. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. I agree. However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? Especially with no possibility of framer or miller. If you happened to get a red check then scum had no out. And just because you said that you would check Oats does not mean that you really would. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote: so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? And this leads us to: Either XRZ is scum or scum do not have a roleblocker. But XRZ claimed that he was roleblocked. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes he can, he just claims to be roleblocked and kills you. Walk me through how you got to this conclusion please. Like, why for example can't xrz be scum and FT be a roleblocker. Okay they could, but only if they thought that Rayn was lying about his cop claim. The only good reason for killing Vayne and RBing Exar is if scum had Vayne as a doctor and Exar as a cop. That means scum would have to think that Rayn's cop claim was fake. That would be a reasonable assumption if Rayn were scum, but we now know that Rayn is not scum because Rayn is cop. Again, the night actions work well for scum if XRZ does not un-claim cop and Rayn gets a green check. | ||
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hzflank
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If scum know that Rayn is cop then they cannot possibly think that Vayne is blue, unless they manage to guess that XRZ is VT. Scum had no reason to guess that XRZ is VT unless XRZ is scum. ##Vote: Exarezee | ||
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hzflank
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On D2 I was raving about how Malongo flipping town was just about the worst flip we could get. Heck, that was a big parto f my reason for voting FT when I preferred Stutters. Yet, half an hour before the deadline XRZ fake claimed a guilty check on Malongo. If he had been wrong an Mal had been town we would of been in an absolutely horrible position. There was not a good reason to fake that guilty check unless he was very sure that Mal was scum. XRZ keeps saying that it was to avoid a nolynch, but we had enough people online to secure a lynch anyway. For example, there were 5 votes on Cota and Vayne and I would of switched our votes if needed. Or we could of gotten 7 on FT with Vayne. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 02:16 exarezee wrote: you've been wrong all game. wrong about me too. It was to avoid a nolynch and get rid of one of my top 2 scumreads (koshi,malongo). I chose malongo because it had the added benefit of possibly protecting vayne if he were the actual cop. You keep claiming to be town and calling the confirmed town players bad. If you are town then you have just made a series of horrendous moves that could cost town the game. How can you both claim to be town and call other town players bad at the same time? Totally hypocritical. | ||
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hzflank
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 02:30 exarezee wrote: we lose the game if mal is town regardless. So you gambled the entire game on your personal scum read? We both know that if you did not claim the game was not lost if Mal was town. However, if you as VT faked a guilty check on Mal and he flips town then we absolutely lose the game. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 02:40 exarezee wrote: worth the risk imo. town has little to no chance of winning if malongo were town. there would be the same suspicion and case on him every single day, the rest of the game. And you have one less townperson in your voting pool. No town person who was actually trying to win the game would think it worth the risk. I was trying hard to win on D2 and I did not think we lose if we mislynched on FT. You had no right to potentially throw the entire game away for me and every other town player with a fake guilty check. I am not moving my vote today. | ||
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hzflank
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Do you think a VT would of claimed a guilty check 30 minutes before the lynch deadline when we are 1 mislynch from MYLO? Do you think that it is normal that VT Exar did not think I was town after he got roleblocked? | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 03:20 Clarity_nl wrote: This is a bit extreme hz. Not a logical argument like I've come to expect from you this game. You genuinely seem upset at the thought of a townie doing this, to the point that you ignore the possibility altogether. Myself, I am having doubts. Tbh I did genuinely get annoyed there. This was because Exar is calling me and Rayn bad at town while he just did something which I consider awful as town. Do you agree with: If Exar is scum, the only reason he risks that guilty claim is if FT is RBer? CJS cannot be RBer because of the green check. If we had lynched the RBer then Clarity is confirmed town. If Exar is town then scum think that we have 2 cops + a Vet + confirmed town clarity and they no longer have a roleblocker. That puts scum in an extreme situation. That is the only good reason I can see for scum-Exar making that move. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 03 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a possibility where mafia has no roleblocker and CJS is a GF. If that´s the situation their guise will fall apart sooner or later. I know, but from CJS's point of view he knows he is town. I mean, if Exar is town then the following people are town (from CJS point of view): Exar hzflank Rayn Clarity CJS That is 5 confirmed town. There are only 5 other players of which 2 would be scum. Sorry to make a list again but to make it clear. Oats Stutters FT Koshi JAT | ||
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