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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 25 2013 13:08 GMT
#12
Is it plurality of majority voting? Plurality is implied by the voting rules, but majority is mentioned in the setup information.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 26 2013 05:52 GMT
#43
I would quite like to play this but I am signed up for the newbie game. If that starts first and I get get killed then I will join.

/obs
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 26 2013 16:33 GMT
#50
ah screw it, if it starts tonight I will play, can always out if newbie game starts first.

/unobs

/in
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 07:12 GMT
#167
Hey, I just woke up but have not read the thread yet. I hope I am not mod-killed for lurking
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 08:21 GMT
#170
First impressions:

I do not like how much discussion there has been about lurkers. The first post was palatable, but the fact that so many people decided to focus the conversation on it created an environment that benefits scum more than town. To talk about lurking policy properly would require a conversation about mafia-theory and philosophy, which is a conversation that allows scum to both hide easily and setup town-town wagons on day one.

Paperscraps is the scummiest player to have posted so far.

On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote:
As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos.


That does not mean that you should find a fence to sit on. There are many pro-town things that you could be doing on day 1 even if you have a hard time forming good scum reads.

This post is so scummy, as it is just throwing mud for no good reason.

On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote:
Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched.


I did not like this post by Tofu as I cannot tell whether he is actually prodding or looking for a soft target. The bolded part is what puts a scummy tone on the post.

On July 27 2013 11:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote:
This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along.

As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others.

What? You don't want to discuss it? Are you deliberately trying to stifle discussion?

If you don't want to talk about this, then what DO you want to talk about? Also, you are just naming people without saying why you find them scummy. Please explain why. Your suspicions mean nothing unless you elaborate on them.


Exarzee is almost as town as anyone can be at this stage of the game. The only thing I did not like was:

On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote:
@FirmTofu

I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far.


There are good town reasons for withholding a read for a few hours or until a particular person has posted, however the reason given above by Exarzee is not a good town reason. I am willing to let it slide due to some of his other posts being very town.

This post by Rayn is not scummy, but I want to point it out because I do not think that anyone should be encouraged to sheep. Sheeping generally helps scum more than town.

On July 27 2013 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am just going to say that i'll be home in around ~10-12 hours so don't waste time on discussing my alignment before i start playing.

Oats is most likely town and should be listened to.


To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far:

##vote: Paperscraps
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 08:32 GMT
#172
On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont think any votes so far have been serious


Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it.

TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all.

##Unvote

My first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far.

I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad .


You can have some fun and make jokes while also playing a serious game. You just have to make sure that the jokes are obvious.

I really do not like the bolded sentence. You have made quite a lot of posts already, are you now trying to say that we should all ignore everything that you have posted so far because none of it was serious?

Specifically, what do you like about Tofu? Where do you think his head is at so far?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 08:33 GMT
#173
On July 27 2013 17:30 Vivax wrote:
Wtf guys.
Did nobody find my post scummy? Man I suck.
Fuck lurker lynches. Lynch scum.


##vote stutters


I found your first post scummy before I read all of the following posts. They were so much worse than yours that they made your first post look like a scum trap.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 08:46 GMT
#176
I noticed Stutters' post, but the thing that sticks out most about it is that it is his only post. My train of thought was along the lines of: I wonder what timezone he is in and when he will make another post. I agree with what Stutters said and if the only thing scummy about it is the lack of a follow-up then I would like to wait until he spends some more time on the game. People having IRL commitments (or sleep) is not scummy as long as it does not happen throughout the whole game.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 08:57 GMT
#178
On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:
I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.

Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players.


That is not taking a stance. Taking a stance would be “I am going to vote for anyone who lurks”. Saying that you will vote for a lurker unless someone else is scummier and then going on to say that it is hard to get solid reads on day 1 is not taking a stance.

I do not think that being afraid to say what to do with lurkers is a scum tell. I do think that attempting to mimic thread sentiment is a scum tell.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 09:14 GMT
#182
On July 27 2013 17:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
hzflank, why did you spend a whole like 200 words shitting on town man.


I woke up and read the thread. It was a bit hard to read after just waking up as it was full of talk about lurkers even though the game has just started. Then I had to read through it again and by the end of it I decided that it deserved to be shit on.

On July 27 2013 17:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you dont believe his words that he was kidding around right? Why?


On July 27 2013 18:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
hzflank United Kingdom. July 27 2013 17:21.
To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far:


Are you serious? All the votes so far have been joke votes. How can you not see that?


I do not believe that every post he has made should be considered kidding around. I understand that sometimes people make posts without a purpose, but I do not believe that every post a person has made so far should be considered to have no serious purpose. We cannot allow people to suggest that we ignore everything that they have posted so far.

I do not consider all of the votes so far to be jokes. I do not think that any of them are meant to stick and I would expect all of them to move before the end of the day. However, some of the votes were placed in the hope of getting reactions or creating discussion, rather than just being jokes.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 09:17 GMT
#183
On July 27 2013 18:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 17:57 hzflank wrote:
On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:
I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.

Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players.


That is not taking a stance. Taking a stance would be “I am going to vote for anyone who lurks”. Saying that you will vote for a lurker unless someone else is scummier and then going on to say that it is hard to get solid reads on day 1 is not taking a stance.

I do not think that being afraid to say what to do with lurkers is a scum tell. I do think that attempting to mimic thread sentiment is a scum tell.


But I said the same thing.

Show nested quote +
Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts


Why is Paperscraps scummy for it but not me?
Do yours and stutters' reasons only apply to single players?


Yours was the first post in the thread and therefore your post could not possibly mimic thread sentiment.

My reasoning applies to all players. I do not know who Stutters' reasoning applies to, but I would prefer not to have my reasoning associated with Stutters or any other player until we have seen some flips.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 09:53 GMT
#186
On July 27 2013 11:26 exarezee wrote:
We're obviously not going to lynch a lurker Day 1. To do so would be a terrible play on the collective town's part. If we assume that it's a bad play to lynch a lurker, why are we discussing it? Do you want me to elaborate on why lynching a lurker is bad?

I said I have a slight scum read based on gut instinct and feel. I bunch this together into tonal reads. But like I said, it's very slight as I have not played with the players before. There is no need for me to start throwing evidence on people at the beginning of Day 1 (to be exact there is little evidence). My posts have been much better than some of the fluff already being made. I mean, I can go into more detail why I think koshi and paperscraps have posted more scumlike than others who have posted...but that post can wait.


Most people have now posted and the current discussion is at risk of stagnating. You have already talked about Paper, so unless you have anything to add there would you now be willing to tell us why you found Koshi more scum like than others?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 10:01 GMT
#190
Okay. Looking at Koshi's filter there is little to add to that. Personally I do not think it is alignment-indicative as he was obviously making a joke about lynching the person with the least posts.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 10:11 GMT
#192
After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters.

I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 10:19 GMT
#195
On July 27 2013 19:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote:
After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters.

I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu.


Might I ask why you think his post is not serious?


The tone. "I am hereby starting a wagon without giving any reasons for it".
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 10:44 GMT
#197
I am not going to defend the points you have raised against Tofu as that is his job and not mine. I do not like the fact that you start your case on Tofu with an attack on me based on the timing of my post. If I happen to be at my computer then 7 minutes is more than enough time to read your post, read Tofu's filter, consider it and make my own short post.

On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain?


After my initial two reads of the thread I was aware of a post from Tofu that I thought was scummy. It was this post:

On July 27 2013 11:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote:
This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along.

As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others.

What? You don't want to discuss it? Are you deliberately trying to stifle discussion?

If you don't want to talk about this, then what DO you want to talk about? Also, you are just naming people without saying why you find them scummy. Please explain why. Your suspicions mean nothing unless you elaborate on them.


I have already mentioned what I did not like about that in a previous post.

However, upon reading Tofu's filter it seemed like he was trying to probe multiple people and move the discussion along by asking questions instead of talking about lurkers. Seen in that light, the above quote no longer looks scummy.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 10:53 GMT
#199
On July 27 2013 19:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Erm, in the quote you used he is actually defending the lurker discussion, which exarezee is trying to remove.


In the quote that I used he is not defending the lurker discussion, he is attacking Exar. To me it looks like he is trying to move the discussion along by beginning to attack players, rather than just talking about lurkers.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 11:11 GMT
#201
I think that it was scummy of you to open your case against Tofu with an attack on someone else (me). This is particularly true on day 1 where it is dangerous to make reads based on association. I think that the reasoning for your attack was bad as the timing of posts provides little information and in this case I was obviously active in the game and reading it anyway, so it should not have taken me long to form a conclusion.

To talk about your case without defending Tofu, this part interests me the most:

On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.


If I were scum with Paperscraps then that is exactly what I would of posted at the time. It is a soft defence that could be designed to shift the discussion away from Paper without making Tofu look bad if Paper flips red. However, that is 100% dependant on Paper being scum and therefore I could not vote for Tofu based on that reason.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 11:19 GMT
#204
On July 27 2013 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween

So... what association are you talking about?


The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 27 2013 11:35 GMT
#206
I am feeling like there was no good reason for you to include the bit about me at the top of your case unless you wanted to attack me. I think that putting the bit to me at the top of your case actually detracted from it and potentially enticed me to defend Firm when he should do it himself. I believe that by addressing me at the top of your case against Tofu it makes your case less likely to actually attract votes.

Until your most recent post I had no way to know that you had already started your case on Tofu before you voted for him. You seemed to vote for him first and then provide a case when people requested your reasons.

On the whole, I am feeling that the way you went about your case (Voting for Tofu > questioning me because I disagreed > giving reasons for your vote on Tofu) makes you look a lot more scummy that Tofu.
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