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I do not like how much discussion there has been about lurkers. The first post was palatable, but the fact that so many people decided to focus the conversation on it created an environment that benefits scum more than town. To talk about lurking policy properly would require a conversation about mafia-theory and philosophy, which is a conversation that allows scum to both hide easily and setup town-town wagons on day one. Paperscraps is the scummiest player to have posted so far. On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote: As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos. That does not mean that you should find a fence to sit on. There are many pro-town things that you could be doing on day 1 even if you have a hard time forming good scum reads. This post is so scummy, as it is just throwing mud for no good reason. On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote: Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched.  I did not like this post by Tofu as I cannot tell whether he is actually prodding or looking for a soft target. The bolded part is what puts a scummy tone on the post. On July 27 2013 11:11 FirmTofu wrote: What? You don't want to discuss it? Are you deliberately trying to stifle discussion? If you don't want to talk about this, then what DO you want to talk about? Also, you are just naming people without saying why you find them scummy. Please explain why. Your suspicions mean nothing unless you elaborate on them. Exarzee is almost as town as anyone can be at this stage of the game. The only thing I did not like was: On July 27 2013 11:35 exarezee wrote: @FirmTofu I'd rather wait until more posts are made. I think only 6 or 7 of the players in the game have posted so far. There are good town reasons for withholding a read for a few hours or until a particular person has posted, however the reason given above by Exarzee is not a good town reason. I am willing to let it slide due to some of his other posts being very town. This post by Rayn is not scummy, but I want to point it out because I do not think that anyone should be encouraged to sheep. Sheeping generally helps scum more than town. On July 27 2013 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just going to say that i'll be home in around ~10-12 hours so don't waste time on discussing my alignment before i start playing. Oats is most likely town and should be listened to. To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far: ##vote: Paperscraps | ||
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On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote: Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it.TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. ##Unvote My first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far. I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad .You can have some fun and make jokes while also playing a serious game. You just have to make sure that the jokes are obvious. I really do not like the bolded sentence. You have made quite a lot of posts already, are you now trying to say that we should all ignore everything that you have posted so far because none of it was serious? Specifically, what do you like about Tofu? Where do you think his head is at so far? | ||
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On July 27 2013 17:30 Vivax wrote: Wtf guys. Did nobody find my post scummy? Man I suck. Fuck lurker lynches. Lynch scum. ##vote stutters I found your first post scummy before I read all of the following posts. They were so much worse than yours that they made your first post look like a scum trap. | ||
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On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote: I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players. That is not taking a stance. Taking a stance would be “I am going to vote for anyone who lurks”. Saying that you will vote for a lurker unless someone else is scummier and then going on to say that it is hard to get solid reads on day 1 is not taking a stance. I do not think that being afraid to say what to do with lurkers is a scum tell. I do think that attempting to mimic thread sentiment is a scum tell. | ||
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On July 27 2013 17:59 Oatsmaster wrote: hzflank, why did you spend a whole like 200 words shitting on town man. I woke up and read the thread. It was a bit hard to read after just waking up as it was full of talk about lurkers even though the game has just started. Then I had to read through it again and by the end of it I decided that it deserved to be shit on. On July 27 2013 17:59 Oatsmaster wrote: So you dont believe his words that he was kidding around right? Why? On July 27 2013 18:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you serious? All the votes so far have been joke votes. How can you not see that? I do not believe that every post he has made should be considered kidding around. I understand that sometimes people make posts without a purpose, but I do not believe that every post a person has made so far should be considered to have no serious purpose. We cannot allow people to suggest that we ignore everything that they have posted so far. I do not consider all of the votes so far to be jokes. I do not think that any of them are meant to stick and I would expect all of them to move before the end of the day. However, some of the votes were placed in the hope of getting reactions or creating discussion, rather than just being jokes. | ||
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On July 27 2013 18:01 Vivax wrote: But I said the same thing. Why is Paperscraps scummy for it but not me? Do yours and stutters' reasons only apply to single players? Yours was the first post in the thread and therefore your post could not possibly mimic thread sentiment. My reasoning applies to all players. I do not know who Stutters' reasoning applies to, but I would prefer not to have my reasoning associated with Stutters or any other player until we have seen some flips. | ||
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On July 27 2013 11:26 exarezee wrote: We're obviously not going to lynch a lurker Day 1. To do so would be a terrible play on the collective town's part. If we assume that it's a bad play to lynch a lurker, why are we discussing it? Do you want me to elaborate on why lynching a lurker is bad? I said I have a slight scum read based on gut instinct and feel. I bunch this together into tonal reads. But like I said, it's very slight as I have not played with the players before. There is no need for me to start throwing evidence on people at the beginning of Day 1 (to be exact there is little evidence). My posts have been much better than some of the fluff already being made. I mean, I can go into more detail why I think koshi and paperscraps have posted more scumlike than others who have posted...but that post can wait. Most people have now posted and the current discussion is at risk of stagnating. You have already talked about Paper, so unless you have anything to add there would you now be willing to tell us why you found Koshi more scum like than others? | ||
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I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu. | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:17 Vivax wrote: Might I ask why you think his post is not serious? The tone. "I am hereby starting a wagon without giving any reasons for it". | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? After my initial two reads of the thread I was aware of a post from Tofu that I thought was scummy. It was this post: On July 27 2013 11:11 FirmTofu wrote: What? You don't want to discuss it? Are you deliberately trying to stifle discussion? If you don't want to talk about this, then what DO you want to talk about? Also, you are just naming people without saying why you find them scummy. Please explain why. Your suspicions mean nothing unless you elaborate on them. I have already mentioned what I did not like about that in a previous post. However, upon reading Tofu's filter it seemed like he was trying to probe multiple people and move the discussion along by asking questions instead of talking about lurkers. Seen in that light, the above quote no longer looks scummy. | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Erm, in the quote you used he is actually defending the lurker discussion, which exarezee is trying to remove. In the quote that I used he is not defending the lurker discussion, he is attacking Exar. To me it looks like he is trying to move the discussion along by beginning to attack players, rather than just talking about lurkers. | ||
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To talk about your case without defending Tofu, this part interests me the most: On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote: If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting. Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there. Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town. If I were scum with Paperscraps then that is exactly what I would of posted at the time. It is a soft defence that could be designed to shift the discussion away from Paper without making Tofu look bad if Paper flips red. However, that is 100% dependant on Paper being scum and therefore I could not vote for Tofu based on that reason. | ||
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On July 27 2013 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote: My case on FT begins after I reply to your post. There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween So... what association are you talking about? The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum. | ||
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Until your most recent post I had no way to know that you had already started your case on Tofu before you voted for him. You seemed to vote for him first and then provide a case when people requested your reasons. On the whole, I am feeling that the way you went about your case (Voting for Tofu > questioning me because I disagreed > giving reasons for your vote on Tofu) makes you look a lot more scummy that Tofu. | ||
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