Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 81

On June 30 2013 01:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Also forgot to add something. He had a scum read on aqua d1...and then aqua has a huge post on slam is most likely scum which led to a misslynch... but he now only has a null read?? Doesnt make sense except that hes protecting him or at least not throwing him under the bus yet.

On June 30 2013 00:56 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Case on stim.

d1 he picks aqua as a target and votes him at the very end not really affecting the vote. he blows up aquas position on nn policy and r a ils on him for the xzavier vote. What I see here is a scum on scum vote meqnt to be used later for cred in the event aqua dies. D2 stim disappears again till qn hour before the vote and claims ignorance of the situation. He fake buys his time asking questions and seeing the votes. Knowing that slam will be killed regardless of the vot3, he votes against it for town cred. Also he is actually active in the post lynch talk.... but why? Because scum only need 1 misslynch to win so hes trying hard now to get there.

On June 29 2013 20:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:

I didnt find his call for people to claim roleblock scummy though as its standard mafia game practice to claim (learned this lesson the hard way).

On June 30 2013 02:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


This doesn't feel thought-through. A scenario where StiM and Aqua are both scum is unlikely.

On June 30 2013 02:04 hzflank wrote:


Gah I did not want this posted yet :p

A case where Stim and Aqua are both scum is almost zero.

On June 30 2013 02:03 hzflank wrote:


Context is important. Not all games have Jailkeepers. Not all games lose two greens on day 1 and a blue on night one.

We know that either Hurricane was tracked or Hurricane is Framer. We did not know that at the time, but the scum team knew it.

When Aqua wanted the roleblocked claim we did not know whether or not we had a Jailkeeper, and the scum team did not know this either.

Assuming that Hurricane is town: which team had the most to gain from knowing whether someone was roleblocked?

The information allowed the scum team to pin down Hurricane's role (they already tracked him). They already killed a blue on night one and a JK kill on night 2 would have been the best scenario for them. Also, the scum team knew that Onegu might claim today. He could be counter claimed by a Watcher or Tracker. If a Tracker counter claimed then the scum got a 100% read on Hurricane's role.

On the other hand, the information allowed the town to know that there is no roleblocker or JK in the game. What benefit did the town gain from knowing that?

I swear, the second I read Aqua's Public Service Announcement I face-palmed. I did not think that Aqua was scum as he was in my town list, but I did think that he was making a mistake.

On June 30 2013 02:07 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


Apologies. But at least this reinforces my Town read on you, for whatever that's worth.

On June 30 2013 02:12 hzflank wrote:


I have been thinking a lot about Mafia as this is my first game. One of the reasons we are losing if because the town players are playing Mafia very badly. We are letting the scum pretend to be bad town. We are defending scum so that they do not have to defend themselves.

I am as guilty of this as anyone. However, we need to start actually playing the game if we want to win.

On June 30 2013 02:19 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


To be fair, there was a lot of Town playing as actual Bad Town this game as well...

I'm hesitant to publicly team up in a 3-Man Townie squad, because that basically tells the mafia exactly how to direct their NK's.

On June 30 2013 02:25 FirmTofu wrote:
@Hurricane
Please do not analyze the respective players who have posted their cases yet. We have still yet to hear from StiM and Meow; I would like to give them some time to respond.

In the meantime, look through Spicy's and Aqua's posts and give me your thoughts about them like you said you would.

It would also be very useful to consider Onegu's behaviors. Try to deduce who he is protecting and who is protecting him.

When you are finished compiling the posts about Aqua and Spicy respectively, tell me but do not post. We need to time everything perfectly. So far, I think we are doing well.

On June 28 2013 20:57 hzflank wrote:
Simplified:

Onegu is town
Alakaslam is scum
Hurricane has a power role


Alakaslam is town
Onegu is scum
Hurricane is town JK, tracker, or NN
Mafia Tracker tracked Hurricane

On June 28 2013 18:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:

No one is disputing that Onegu acquired knowledge last night. By some means, he deduced something that likely happened. However, it is not just a Watcher that could have figured that out. Indeed, it is actually MORE LIKELY in this scenario for a Mafia Tracker or a Mafia Framer to figure it out!

A mafia Tracker could choose to 'track' a high-profile townie for various reasons
A mafia Framer would CERTAINLY choose to follow THE MOST HIGH PROFILE TOWNIE NOT BEING SHOT THAT NIGHT. (If you don't know why, we need to get you back to Mafia School. At the time actions were declared, the Parity Cop was alive. Mafia know that the Cop will check his scummiest read vs. his towniest read. The framer's play is to figure out who is most everyone's towniest read, barring the person who is getting shot that night, and pay them a visit, essentially flipping their alignment and throwing the Parity Cop off course.)

Both of these situations could explain how Onegu acquired the knowledge he did, and neither situation conflicts with Alakaslam's story.