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On June 29 2013 12:23 hzflank wrote:
Firm, please tell me what you think of my above point on Aqua.
I honestly think that is the first good scum read I have made all day. it is not fluffy. I think he made a mistake when he posted that because a town Aqua would not of thought like that.
I'm having trouble understanding it as well. I am going to go through Aqua's filter and search for some context. Don't bother to try and explain it to me. I want to draw my own conclusions and then see what other people think.
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On June 29 2013 12:20 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Onegu, Aqua, and LoneMeow. The pieces are all there.
Does someone want to clue me in as to why Spicy is a suspect? Instead of me making a case for Spicy, I want you to make one first. This will greatly help us as a team because I trust you and you trust me as sincere town. We can bounce ideas off of each other without having to suspect one another's motives. I want you to find everything that you think makes Spicy scummy and anything that makes you think Spicy is town. Please don't look at this exercise through "I've got to convince everyone that Aquanim is mafia" glasses. I want you to analyze Spicy from an unbiased point of view and give me your thoughts about him, good or bad. Try not to convince me one way or the other, just try to present each individual point and explain why you feel a certain way about it.
Homework is good. I will do this (was planning on it anyway). There's two obvious relationships that emerged that I spotted while diving Aqua's filter.
Aqua is irrationally supportive of LoneMeow
Aqua has consistently pushed that Spicy is scum
The natural follow-up to the Aqua Dive was the Spicy Counter-Dive.
Expect my next post tomorrow. I will be out for the rest of the night.
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If you actually believed what (you claim is) is the scum team's motivation for a fake-counter-claim is, and you had played out end game scenarios (which you obviously had in that very post) then your vote would of voted for Onegu.
This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid.
Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim.
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On June 29 2013 12:37 hzflank wrote:
If you actually believed what (you claim is) is the scum team's motivation for a fake-counter-claim is, and you had played out end game scenarios (which you obviously had in that very post) then your vote would of voted for Onegu.
This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid.
Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim.
Are you talking to Aquanim in this post?
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On June 29 2013 12:37 hzflank wrote:
If you actually believed what (you claim is) is the scum team's motivation for a fake-counter-claim is, and you had played out end game scenarios (which you obviously had in that very post) then your vote would of voted for Onegu.
This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid.
Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim.
So what you're saying here is that I shouldn't have voted for the person I believed was scum because if the person I strongly believed was scum was actually town I would look bad?
You think that I should have instead voted for the person who I thought was town because if the person I strongly believed was town, but voted for them anyway, flipped town you think I wouldn't look bad?
Check your logic.
You seem to be assuming that I knew Alakaslam would be a mislynch, which I did not.
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On June 29 2013 12:40 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:37 hzflank wrote:
If you actually believed what (you claim is) is the scum team's motivation for a fake-counter-claim is, and you had played out end game scenarios (which you obviously had in that very post) then your vote would of voted for Onegu.
This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid.
Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim. Are you talking to Aquanim in this post?
Yes. And I am a horrible communicator so I will try to put it another way again.
Aquanim is looking at the end game scenarios.
Aquanim states that the motivation behind the scum making a risky play is because we have 4 confirmed town reads.
Aquanim acts in the best way to get an end game scenario where we no longer have those 4 confirmed town read.
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On June 29 2013 12:49 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 12:40 FirmTofu wrote:On June 29 2013 12:37 hzflank wrote:
If you actually believed what (you claim is) is the scum team's motivation for a fake-counter-claim is, and you had played out end game scenarios (which you obviously had in that very post) then your vote would of voted for Onegu.
This is because by playing out your end game scenarios you would know that if we mislynch Alakaslam while you are on the wrong wagon, then we end up in the exact same end game scenario that you claim we must avoid.
Therefore, you did not believe in the reason that you gave for the motivation behind the scum's fake claim. Are you talking to Aquanim in this post? Yes. And I am a horrible communicator so I will try to put it another way again. Aquanim is looking at the end game scenarios. Aquanim states that the motivation behind the scum making a risky play is because we have 4 confirmed town reads. Aquanim acts in the best way to get an end game scenario where we no longer have those 4 confirmed town read.
You think that as scum I would try to ensure that I was no longer a confirmed town read? What are you even trying to say?
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Wait.. there are 8 of us left.
One of us dies tonight.
We lynch Onegu tomorrow.
Another dies Night 3.
That's 5 left.
If we lynch correctly, that's 4.
One dies that night.. oh fuck
So we have to pretty lynch scums 3 days straight to win?
We are so fucked..
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If I were scum, trying to mislynch Alakaslam (who I would, as scum, know to be a townie and soon to be confirmed) would indeed be the correct play.
As town, who did not know which of the two were scum but believed that Alakaslam was scum and that Onegu would be confirmed town in that case, trying to lynch Alakaslam (who I did not know was town) is STILL the correct play.
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I think that if you actually believed in your own case then you could not of made that case. You made a case that as town you must of thought was a bad case. And then you never openly questioned it.
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Why don't you think that I could have made that case as a townie?
You seriously considered it, Hurricane believed it and voted for Alakaslam at least partially based on it... there were no serious flaws in it.
I think the knowledge you have now (that Alakaslam is in fact town) is warping your judgement as to whether I could have believed that case.
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On June 29 2013 12:55 Aquanim wrote:
If I were scum, trying to mislynch Alakaslam (who I would, as scum, know to be a townie and soon to be confirmed) would indeed be the correct play.
As town, who did not know which of the two were scum but believed that Alakaslam was scum and that Onegu would be confirmed town in that case, trying to lynch Alakaslam (who I did not know was town) is STILL the correct play.
I swear.. is it just me or does Aquanim sounds like he's CHOOSING who the lynch target would be rather than actually lynching scum. It might just be me but it was like this Day1 as well. He was like, "Who should I vote, hmm... Xzavier!"
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Also, concerning his policy of NN claiming. Since he so defended it with such vigor that I actually thought he could've been a Watcher or Tracker. He wanted to who is NN and he didn't want to direct any PR. Just my thoughts.
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What it feels like playing mafia.. yeah, that's me XD
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iJ4vKtG.gif)
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On June 29 2013 12:58 Aquanim wrote:
I think the knowledge you have now (that Alakaslam is in fact town) is warping your judgement as to whether I could have believed that case.
I will leave this now and go back to it tomorrow.
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Stim, posting that Gif really hurts the town more than it helps. This game is confusing enough without having to look at that Gif while playing.
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I think we need to ask LoneMeow and Spicy for their reads. This is vital information.
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On June 29 2013 13:49 hzflank wrote:
Stim, posting that Gif really hurts the town more than it helps. This game is confusing enough without having to look at that Gif while playing.
Sorry, I was bored.. and I thought the mood little bit too serious. I won't do it again.
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As promised:
![[image loading]](http://www.urbantitan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Psycho-1960-Alfred-Hitchcock-Anthony-Perkins-pic-4.jpg)
No video, music is gone 
GG, I had so much fun when Hurricane posted the bbcode stuff XD
At least now I can catch up after MLG, don't have obligation to follow anymore.
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Aquanim. Read carefully. I think I have figured out the best way to exonerate yourself.
Pick your strongest scum read(other than Onegu) and make the best possible case you can for their lynch instead of yours.
If you do this, I will definitely be able to ascertain your alignment. If you refuse to do this, I will peg you as mafia and you will likely be lynched after Onegu.
I have thought about this a lot and this is the best possible play I could come up with. I will post my case on various people after you follow through.
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